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Lonelygirl10
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Default  Posted: 3:10 PM, July 20th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Quick question. Does he know that you are posting here on SI? His timing is uncanny, so it made my now overly suspicious mind, well, suspicious. He didn't happen to see you on the site one time and then make his way here, did he? I realize that he probably hasn't done this, but I thought I would ask.

I don't think so. I'm not sure how he would know. I only joined 2-3 days ago, and was posting at work.

We will be here when you need us. Because this will end badly and you will see him continue after he has been "good" for a few days or a few weeks.

Last night seemed different. But I do acknowledge that I may be in denial, or having co-dependency issues. I do appreciate all the advice that everyone gave me yesterday. It's amazing to me how many people are going through this horrible experience. I'm going to keep going to IC.


29 Bgf
Dday: April 2013
Relationship ended: January 2014

Posts: 1164 | Registered: Jul 2013
doesitgetbetter
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Default  Posted: 3:15 PM, July 20th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Wait, did I read that right? Did he just get you to agree to only talk about the A's once a week unless you have an overwhelming need to talk about it a little more than that? This early in R, that's really a pretty controlling thing for him to do. That kind of time minimization should really be done BY the BS and only when the BS is ready to stop talking all the time. You two haven't talked much about it by your own description, and now you just let him put a leash on even that.

You can't fix him.

And even if you could, fixing him won't make your past any better either, nor will it fix you.


DDay - Dec '07
Me - BS
Him - FWS
Us - Committed
May 18, 2010 - I forgave him fully!
"Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction." Isaiah 48:10

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Lonelygirl10
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Default  Posted: 3:31 PM, July 20th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Wait, did I read that right? Did he just get you to agree to only talk about the A's once a week unless you have an overwhelming need to talk about it a little more than that? This early in R, that's really a pretty controlling thing for him to do. That kind of time minimization should really be done BY the BS and only when the BS is ready to stop talking all the time. You two haven't talked much about it by your own description, and now you just let him put a leash on even that.

Maybe I said that wrong. We are definitely going to talk every Wednesday night, even if I'm feeling okay at that particular time. And then I can talk other times too, but he told me how to start the conversation so that he doesn't shut down. I guess Wednesday night is our scheduled unofficial "counseling" since he can't afford MC.


29 Bgf
Dday: April 2013
Relationship ended: January 2014

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staying hopefull
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Default  Posted: 4:00 PM, July 20th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

oh lonleygirl10...."he told you how to start the conversation"....that is another way he is trying to control you...
sounds like he is the one making all of the "rules" for this R.
Don't think I am jumping on you or trying to be negative...I know its hard for us to get the entire picture of what you guys are talking about...I guess I am just trying to be protective of you.


Me - BS (40) FWH (43)
Two children
Together 20 years, married 15 years
Reconcilied for 9 years!

Posts: 1031 | Registered: Nov 2004
Getting to Happy
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Default  Posted: 4:44 PM, July 20th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Lonelygirl10~

Please don't let your destroyer of your heart dictate to you how to heal your heart.

You seem to be pragmatic. This is not logical thinking.

YOU need to set the tone and pace of the discussions.

By his actions, not his words, will you ever feel any movement one way or the other.

Don't fall for his manipulation and dumb rules. This will cause you even more pain.

What happens if you have a burning question on Tuesday or Saturday...you have to hold your tongue until Wednesday?!?!

UHMMM...NO! YOU are the injured party! Why should you have to tippytoe around his feelings and comfort zone?!? Because he said so?

Stay grounded in reality. If you understand the 'informal arguments of logic' you will be able to cut through the rainbow-skittle-shitting-farts he is about to blow in your face.

Only he understands the rules in Unicorn-Fairy-Fart-Land. Don't waste your time trying to wrap your brain around nonsense!

Take control and mark your boundaries with a bright line. You don't need his permission to know how and when you are healed.

You will know when you have had enough.

Strength to you.


WS him
BS me DD's 26, 25' DS 23
dd1 1-1-10, dd2 Mothers Day 2011, dd3 3-12-12 Hawaii trip with ho-worker...

Never forget what is worth remembering or remember what is best forgotten.
Unknown


Posts: 1140 | Registered: Apr 2012 | From: La La Land
lilflower1000
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Default  Posted: 5:17 PM, July 20th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

You have so much going for you right now! Keep your head on straight and 180 hard.
1.You have a great career.
2.If I am correct you have no children with this man. ( You can leave and NEVER see him again).
3.You are not married to him, so there is no need to split property or other assets.

I would have run so fast from my wayward if I was in your situation. If you stay you may very well end up in a situation like mine and many others here. I am stuck between a rock and a hard place. I can stay and put up with the hell of trying to reconcile and the fun of sneaking around checking up on him like he is a child daily, never feeling safe in the relationship. Or I can leave him and have the joy of seeing him every other weekend as he and the ow share custody of our 4 children. Please, you are so young and successful. Do not do this to yourself and your future children.

If he is doing this sort of thing this early on when you should be in the honeymoon phase of your relationship and you do not have the stress of children, in-laws and all the other stresses that come over years of marriage imagine how the future will be.
I did not have the time to read all of the replies, so I may be missing some of the pieces, but to me it seems like you need to move on. ((hugs))

[This message edited by lilflower1000 at 6:22 PM, July 20th (Saturday)]


lilflower1000
Me: 44 BS
Married 12 yrs
Dday:8/1/2012
True R: 12/2012
4kids(11, 8, 5, 4mos)+ 2 Step kids I love like my own

Posts: 309 | Registered: Aug 2012 | From: Georgia
cliffside
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Default  Posted: 5:40 PM, July 20th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Maybe I said that wrong. We are definitely going to talk every Wednesday night, even if I'm feeling okay at that particular time. And then I can talk other times too, but he told me how to start the conversation so that he doesn't shut down. I guess Wednesday night is our scheduled unofficial "counseling" since he can't afford MC.

Oh no no no no no.... You are the one that was betrayed and cheated on - for all of your relationship. You call the shots. He does NOT. He does not get to tell you when and how you talk about this with him. He sounds VERY controlling and emotionally abusive. Please, please, please, kick his ass to the curb. As others have said - you have no idea how much harder it is to do that if you're married and have children.

And please, keep thinking about this: This is supposed to be your honeymoon, in love, over the moon, and carefree part of your relationship. If cheating, lying, betraying, and controlling is what this phase is like in your relationship then WTF is next??? What happens if you get sick? Lose your job? Or have kids? Or a kid with special needs?? (that's me).

Marriage is wonderful if it's healthy. But if before you're married it's a train wreck? Then seriously, you don't stand a chance. I say that not to hurt you but because I really think you need to think about this seriously.

Also, you've made it clear your friends want you to drop him. What about your parents? Have you told your Mom or (if) any siblings? If not, you really should.

Yours is one of those stories that I hate to say, we're all sitting here hoping to God you leave because he is not worth it. You are worth so much more and there is some man out there that will treat you like the wonderful piece of Gold he's spent his whole life looking for. THAT does exist. You just need to work on you to find it.


Me: BS 39
Him: WH 41
2 Kids
D-Day: 2/3/13
Broke NC 3/14
Very skeptically in R for now...

Posts: 269 | Registered: Mar 2013
GingerAle
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Default  Posted: 6:38 PM, July 20th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Lonelygirl, I know you have hopes
of working this out with him, and the thought of being without him hurts, but day by day, month by month, that pain will diminish and you will be happy again.

In addition to all of the other manulative, passive aggressive crap he has done and said, I cannot believe he thinks he can get pissy about your friend! He doesn't want you to hang out with her because she is free spirited and single?? She probably has better morals than him and the whores he had sex with!!

He is alienating you from everyone you know and love, then you will have no one left but him and he will take total control of your life. Please listen to your family, your friends, and the wise people here. They all want you to be safe and happy.


My WH (The KISA, NPD) 6 month EA in 2010
2 other EAs in 2012 & 2013
Filed for D 7/2014


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whyowhyme
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Default  Posted: 7:57 PM, July 20th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I rarely post but I felt like you needed me too. I was you. My wbf did the same thing. He sort of showed remorse and I ate it up. It wasn't remorse. It was him, full on doing what he thought I needed to not break up. I married him. 4 months later he was at it again. Dont be me. The divorce was horrific and I am just now learning how codependent I was, as I think you are. I am 34 now, I wish I could be 28 to start over.

Posts: 14 | Registered: Nov 2011 | From: whyowhyme
Skan
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Default  Posted: 11:53 PM, July 20th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

My dear, he is feeding you enough to keep you alive, but weak, starving, and not able to take care of yourself. He is giving you just enough, JUST enough, to keep your feet on HIS path, plodding slowly and dully forward, while he makes sure that your blinders are only pointing forward towards him.

He is abusing you. He is abusing your trust. He is abusing your love. He is abusing your kindness. He is abusing your good nature.

Please, turn this around. Consider, councilor, if your client came to you telling you this story. That the Love Of Their Life had betrayed them in such a way, had shown unhappiness about being caught but no true remorse. That instead of begging for forgiveness, asking what they needed, and proving by their ACTIONS, not words, which are cheap, they had told your client exactly how they were to be healed. And that your client then asked you if they should sign over their entire live and property to that person.

What would your professional answer be?

You are the client. Your only advocate is yourself. Do not sell yourself cheaply. Please understand me. I love my FWH. I love him a lot. I have been with him for 21 years. 21 years of miscarriages, loss of loved ones, sickness, happiness, joyous heights of flight, and all of the other things that a good marriage brings.

Had he betrayed me, as he did a bit over a year ago, while we were dating or during our first 5 years of marriage, I would have dumped his ass. No hesitation. Because the only, THE ONLY thing that has made it possible for me to try to work this out is all of the years that we have spent together. The bond that we had formed during those good times and bad. 21 years of chains of love, patience, denial, and commonality.

At the point in your relationship that you and he are, you are supposed to be showing the best that you can be. The bright, shiny person who is worthy of a mate. A bower bird builds a fantastic nest for .... someone. Someone that they haven't even seen or heard yet. But for that someone. And when the someone shows up, they put up SUCH a display to show them how good a mate they can be, what providers they can be, what a great choice they can be.

For one year. One mating season.

If a bird, can show such dedication to a potential mate for only one season, why in the name of all that's holy would you accept less from a man who is supposed to love, honor, and cleave only to you, for the rest of his live? Are you not worth more than a mere bird? I assure you that you are.

(((hugs))) We speak hard truths to you. And we know they are hard. We stand where you are and unfortunately, where you may yet be again, if you do not learn to hear with your head and not only with your heart.


Imagine a ship trying to set sail while towing an anchor. Cutting free is not a gift to the anchor. You must release that burden, not because the anchor is worthy, but because the ship is.

D-Day, June 10, 2012



Posts: 4804 | Registered: Jun 2012 | From: So California
FirstLoveGone
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Default  Posted: 12:29 AM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Why are you ignoring all these red flags?

Sweetie, if you stay with him you are going to be back here just a few years from now. By that time you may be married and perhaps even have kids with him. it will be infinitely harder to leave him at that point. You are setting yourself up for failure.

You are 28 years young! A relationship at this age and at this length shouldn't be this hard.


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karmahappens
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Default  Posted: 7:46 AM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Last night seemed different

Only because he was saying exactly what you needed to hear.

Along with forgiveness he probably googled "things to say to my GF after I cheat to win her back"

People cannot change overnight. You are seeing your boyfriend through a carnival mirror...it's distorted. Once he moves away from it, he will look exactly like himself again.

A liar and a cheat.

Take care of you.


“And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom”
Anaïs Nin
Me: 45
Him: 47
Dday 8/2007
We have R'd

Posts: 3800 | Registered: Jun 2012 | From: Massachusetts
Fleury
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Default  Posted: 8:13 AM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

LG - please listen to what everyone is telling you. I have seen this happen in my own life and it ended it the worst way possible.

You think he is religious because he can quote bible passages, and yet his first trip out of town he cheats.

You say he is not a socialable person and yet he JUST NOW took down photos from his cheating trip off Facebook.

He has very strong boundries that are meant for you only...those aren't boundries - that is controlling.

He is trying to alienate you from all family and friend. This is so frightening, I can't even begin to tell you without sounding overly dramatic.

I promise you...what he is showing you now is only about a tenth of what you will see when you are married to him.

This guy sounds like a replica copy of my friend's H. My friend didn't make it out of her relationship.

His total 180 on you does not sit right. On FRIDAY, he sends you an email basically calling you a bitch for wanting to work through his infidelity. It was a Get Over It email. On SATURDAY....after he doesn't get the responses he wants to reel you back in...he googles forgiveness? Says all sorts of charming things and then does ANOTHER 180 and gets pissy about you seeing a female friend for a show. He is doing a very good job at keeping you off balance. You don't know what is coming next.

Do me a favor, call your local women's shelter. Describe the behaviour that you are seeing. Tell them what you have told us and listen to what they say.

You are so young. You have so much ahead of you. You deserve so much better. You will NOT lose face if you dump this guy. Who cares if you initially thought he was the greatest thing evah..you figured him out and moved along.


What have I done to deserve this life?

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k8la
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Default  Posted: 9:53 AM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I second Fleury's caution.
You think he is religious because he can quote bible passages, and yet his first trip out of town he cheats.

You say he is not a socialable person and yet he JUST NOW took down photos from his cheating trip off Facebook.

He has very strong boundries that are meant for you only...those aren't boundries - that is controlling.

He is trying to alienate you from all family and friend. This is so frightening, I can't even begin to tell you without sounding overly dramatic.

I promise you...what he is showing you now is only about a tenth of what you will see when you are married to him.

This guy sounds like a replica copy of my friend's H. My friend didn't make it out of her relationship.

His total 180 on you does not sit right. On FRIDAY, he sends you an email basically calling you a bitch for wanting to work through his infidelity. It was a Get Over It email. On SATURDAY....after he doesn't get the responses he wants to reel you back in...he googles forgiveness? Says all sorts of charming things and then does ANOTHER 180 and gets pissy about you seeing a female friend for a show. He is doing a very good job at keeping you off balance. You don't know what is coming next.

Please do not ignore these red flags.

He has not begun to show you his worst behavior. And if you marry him, it really could cost you your life.

These are COMMON markers of a man capable of some very bad things.

You're an attorney.

Do your research of personality traits and behaviors of domestic violence perps.

Here's an example that hasn't completed the legal process yet.

Imagine you in these court proceedings on either side:
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=25219123

Do your research.

Consider the evidence.

This doesn't get better. No matter how much you wish it.

These men do not change at their core because something is broken inside of them. You are to a point where you can break free of the trap. You'll hurt, but you'll live.

Please bring this up with your IC and ask them if what we're seeing is total fiction or fact.

Get a neutral expert to observe the emails and tell you what you're too close to see.


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WoundedOpus
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Default  Posted: 10:02 AM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

So, you have decided to stay. Against the advice of your friends and family, who you have either dropped completely or are on the outs with save one (and trust me, her days are numbered, he'll get rid of her for you too) - pages of people who have been through this or similar, who rarely ever and NEVER lightly, say get out (the number of pages your posts have speaks volumes) - your IC, and trust me, they don't recommend often or quickly and certainly without a hell of a conviction - and every single piece of literature, blog, or self help website you could find. You even acknowledge that you're probably in denial with codependency problems.

This is of course your decision to make, no matter how many people think it's the wrong one, time will tell. But I'm begging you, please do some serious work on yourself even if you're SURE staying is the right thing to do. There is nothing in the 'Staying Together' rules that says you can't explore every other option just because you stayed. Deciding to work it out, does not automatically equal, don't take ANY advice you've been given or ignore every red flag you see that points in the opposite direction. Even the best of relationships takes work, regular reevaluation, and a whole lot of growth, to do otherwise is to know in your heart this is bad and burying your head.

Read, read, and read some more. Do some serious introspection.

- http://www.yourpotential.net/3/5/A_Checklist_on_Boundaries_in_a_Relationship.html
- http://www.yourpotential.net/3/7/The_Codependant_Relationship_Questionnaire.html
- http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
- http://thenarcissistatwork.com/passive-aggressives/
- http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652
- http://thehappysensitive.com/narcissistic-love-versus-unconditional-love/
- http://thehappysensitive.com/series/empathy-vs-narcissism/

There is another thread going on SI in the R forum, I think you should take a look at: Unsettling IC Conversation - http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=502246

Not only do I feel your stories have great similarities, there are some book recommendations given I think might help you greatly.

I hope you don't feel attacked in any way, everyone's just trying to help because it's so hard to see someone you believe is really hurting themselves. I wish you much luck. Everyone will still be here when and if you need them again.


Me: BW 37
Him: WH 38
(DDay: 2/2008)
13 years, 5 kids...Six years of Limbo

“I don't want to get to the end of my life and find that I have just lived the length of it. I want to have lived the width of it as well." ~ Diane Ackerman


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lost_in_toronto
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Default  Posted: 1:58 PM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I'm also trapped between the person I fell in love with, and the person who did all these things.

The person you fell in love with is the same person who did those things. You cannot continue to think of him as two separate people.

He said he had conservative relationship values. He didn't have opposite sex friends. He believed porn was wrong. He didn't go to strip clubs. NOW he SAYS he still believes all those things... but his actions are so inconsistent.

His actions have been very consistent - controlling you, berating you, cheating on you, lying to you. It is his words that are inconsistent with his actions. You need to separate his words from his actions so you can see his actions for what they are.

So much great advice here. If you take anything from this thread, please take what members are saying to you about how he is alienating you from your support system. That is very scary, and speaks volumes about what he is truly like.

[This message edited by lost_in_toronto at 2:00 PM, July 21st (Sunday)]


Me: BS/39
Him: WS/37
DDay: August 23, 2009
Together 14 years.
Reconciled.

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myperfectlife
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Default  Posted: 2:10 PM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Lonely,
One thing that I don't know has been said.
Write down the evidence as if you're going to trial.
Make a list of what you know about him.
Make a list of how he has treated you.
Make a list of what you've lost from this relationship.
Make a list of what you've gained.
DO treat him like a witness (in your mind).
Step back and look at these things without your heart involved. Be skeptical, be analytical, be aware. Be brave.
If you've put all the time, energy and resources into being an attorney then you have those tools to analyze this situation.
Do not sell yourself short.
If you were the judge and jury with this evidence, what would you do?
Just think about it.

We tend to love people not because of who they are, but because of how they love us.

You can love someone without being with them.

You have to love yourself first.


I cannot be responsible for another's personal growth.
DDay#1 of a "cheatillion" 4/1/13
Divorce final 11/04/13

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seekingclarity
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Default  Posted: 6:10 PM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Lonelygirl, I'm going to try not to make this too long. Run, do not walk, to the nearest exit and away from this person. When I read your posts, I felt a trembling in my heart for your. If you marry this man, you will end where I am. As someone mentioned, this is supposed to be the honeymoon period in your relationship. My stbwxh began cheating on me while we were dating. The first couple of months, I was the most wonderful woman he had ever met. By month 5, we were living together. By month 6, I was a deeply flawed person and that was the reason why he was talking on the phone to a co-worker, as if she were his girlfriend (this was before cell phones) in our shared apartment right in front of me and began dating her, eventually sleeping with her. By month 7, he had moved out. By month 10 we were back together because I was the woman he wanted to be with. This went on for almost 2 years until we eventually married. He has never not cheated on me - either emotionally or physically. I was totally unaware of it for most our marriage, as I trusted him and never checked up on him and, as he was home every night, and appeared to be the most loving husband and father, except when he was emotionally undermining me and abusing me, I had no reason to suspect.

The children have always been suspicious of him and assumed he was cheating with various co-workers, but kept quiet about it. They never knew about the S&M prostitutes, which he began visiting later, while complaining about our lack of money.

He later began not bothering to hide his affairs, in fact throwing them in my face. We are currently in the process of divorce. The emotional abuse I suffered at the hands of this covert-aggressive, narcissistic POS is a reflection of your life if you marry this jerk.

I do not want to hurt you or try to keep you from doing whatever you truly feel you should do, but understand he will never change - he will only get worse. There is a saying that when someone shows you their true colors, you should not try to repaint them. Anyone who has to "google" forgiveness is probably someone who has trouble with other definitions, like love, honesty, autonomy, as well as secrecy and deceit.

I am sending you a hug and hoping that you will make a decision in your own favor and what is best for you. You are young. You have your whole life ahead of you and there are many men who will care for you and treat you well. He is not one of them. Take care of yourself.


Me: BS (50's, but No One Would Know)
Him: STBWXH - PA/CA/NPD Serial Cheater (50's going on 12)
D-Day: Every Day?
4 Outstanding Offspring

Tragedy in life normally comes with betrayal and compromise . . .


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solus sto
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Default  Posted: 7:26 PM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

You have said, more than once, that the man you fell in love with is different from this man.

You did not have a relationship if sufficient duration to know him well. You were--ARE!!--in that honeymoon, getting-to-know-you phase.

During his audition, as it were, he SHOWED you who he is.

THIS IS WHO HE IS.

[This message edited by solus sto at 7:32 PM, July 21st (Sunday)]


BS-me, 52
WH (Trac-fone), 52, PD
2 kids-DD25, DS18
multiple d-days
DIVORCING
Alone, most strangely, I live on~Rupert Brooke

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Twitchy
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Default  Posted: 7:48 PM, July 21st (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

LG10,

Run, Run, Run.

He knows your week points. He knows what to say to reel you back in. He's a manipulator and a damn good one.

These texts he's sending are sanitized, calculated communication torpedoes designed for him to win a battle.

Texting is not really communicating. He can craft the texts and then you read to much into then. Your listening for what you hope he is really saying. Your reading what you want to believe.


BH(me)-49, FWW-43,
D-Day #1 - Oct 2007 - On-Line EA leading to a failed rendez-vous
D-Day #2 - Nov 2008 - In person EA caught early.

Away you will go, sailing in a race among the ruins.
If you plan to face tomorrow, do it soon. Gordon Lightfoot


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