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User Topic: N P D Thread - Part 12
Quakingaspen
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Default  Posted: 10:00 PM, February 10th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

((((TRIBE))))

I don't think it is possible to express how grateful I am to be able to come here and share and cry and smile a little at these things you all share that are so overwhelming on my own. I feel like I am recovering my own emotions that have been dulled and hidden so long. I'm a real person again!

NC is going to be rough to keep this next couple of weeks. He's back to hoovering, is emailing the kids, and generally making a giant bid for attention. It's been ONE week since he moved out, and he's bragging about all the change he's already accomplished. The only thing that has kept me from responding so far is that there is literally nothing to respond to. He messages me like a weather report, all about him, and pretty much did the same to the kids. They were confused about whether or not they should respond. Ugh.

It is true though, our peace has been real with him gone. Stress reactions in the kids are already improving.

I too have a history written of our relationship, with every soul crushing incident detailed to remind me what he really is. Even the good things I always gave him credit for were performed for someone else or were him doing something about a crisis HE created.

Eyes, I feel your frustration, but you've come to a good place.


"You're going to catch a cold from the ice inside your soul. Don't come back for me. Who do you think you are?"

WS (him)-SA/NPD
D-Day: Too many to count. LAST time: 16 October 2013.
Separating on the road to brighter things.


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ChoosingHope
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Default  Posted: 10:28 PM, February 10th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

It is true though, our peace has been real with him gone. Stress reactions in the kids are already improving.

Just keep repeating this to yourself. Maybe you should print it out and put it somewhere near the phone or your computer. Stay strong.


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WoundedOpus
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Default  Posted: 7:03 AM, February 11th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

He is not exactly remorseful or truthful. My MC says I may never get those and will decide how much I need to move forward....

This is f***ing exhausting, Is this going to be my life?? My MC says we need to change my responses then his behavior will change and then we clear the way to see how empathetic he is capable of getting. She never dx him as a narc but this is basically what she is saying.

I guess this is better than D right now because at least he is not out to destroy me and I feel like I can maintain some control of the situation for the kids sake. Any advice is appreciated

.

My thoughts on this...

After the A, my NPD seemed better. He never told the truth, never took responsibility and certainly never took any action, but things seemed to improve. He knew what he'd done was wrong, and as long as I didn't bring it up, we went about life silently acknowledging that he'd screwed up and was going to be a better father and husband.

It's hard to explain, but it's as if he felt I had a 'one up' on him. If he was 'bad' again, (cheating) then I'd get to bring up the A and get the upper hand, so he played the good guy. If he was bad (other abusive or outright obvious manipulation), the affair would get brought back up in a fight, he'd double down his efforts to be good, I'd back down and he'd go back to good guy. In his mind, this actually made him the good guy.

He never stopped any of his more covert abuse and manipulation and non-A related lies. That continued, along with more boundary crossing with other MCOW's and continued 'friendly' work contact with his former affair partner...for six long years. I had been so conditioned for overt abuse that I was actually great flu this was ALL he was doing. But just as we get conditioned over time to escalating abuse (expect it to get worse so don't freak when it does), we can get conditioned to improvement, and begin to expect and want better).

I hit a point where two opposing feelings collided. One half seeing and feeling the effects of improvement and yearning for more, the other feeling the ache of our/my denied reality and desperately needing to stop that pain. 5.5 years post DDay I was starting to feel like Jekyll and Hide, honestly worried I was bi-polar and seriously worried I was going mental! I would be fine (as fine as you can be when trying to repress all emotions based in reality), we would seem happy and doing good, then BAM! he'd do something or act some way that resembled his past behavior, and ALL of those repressed memories and ALL of the emotions and feelings would hit me like a freight train. I'd flip from raging anger to major depression and then back again in the span of 5 minutes. This would go on anywhere from 1 day-1 week, he'd act like he didn't have a clue what my problem was, guilt me in to feeling responsible for why our marriage wasn't better, and hand me the responsibility of fixing this problem. I'd work to go back into denial and the cycle would repeat itself. I couldn't take it anymore.

I finally faced reality and stupidly tried to force him as well. ALL of his abusive behavior came back! He never changed, never learned from his mistakes, never learned empathy. All of those years I thought I was showing him the way it could be, how good it could be, in the hopes that he'd finally see me, love me, want to be a good man with a loving intimate marriage...now I know better. I learned a very hard lesson and wasted, GAVE AWAY, six precious years of my life. I have lived off of the crumbs thrown at me from a man not capable of love and am currently living in hell.

Learning how to live with an NPD has resulted in 40lbs of weight lose, my hair falling out, massive depression, anger issues, panic attacks, Adderall, Xanax, Anti-depressants, a Kindle full of self help and PD books, and the list goes on....

Please really consider the life you're looking at before you decide to walk this path. He will always choose himself. I have to live with the fact that I am where I am because, I chose him too


Me: BW 37
Him: WH 38
(DDay: 2/2008)
13 years, 5 kids...Six years of Limbo

“I don't want to get to the end of my life and find that I have just lived the length of it. I want to have lived the width of it as well." ~ Diane Ackerman


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cantaccept
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Default  Posted: 7:16 AM, February 11th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

WoundedOpus,

I have no words to express what I feel for you after reading your post.

Are you still living with him? Is there a way out for you?

You deserve so much more from life, it is out there, you are so very young.

Ughh, I just want to spirit you and your children away to a safe, loving home.

It breaks my heart to hear your pain.

((((WO))))


Life is change. Growth is optional. Choose wisely.

I would now like to be known as Can!

dday October 21,2012
dday December 20, 2013

attempted R, it was all a lie

divorcing


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jjct
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Default  Posted: 7:37 AM, February 11th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I am where I am because, I chose him too

So say we all. As long as "chose" stays in the past tense, you are going to be ok. Better. Stronger. Incredibly happier!
I never get tired hearing of sadtoo's now-chosen life, way up there in Io-way country with the new life and freedom. It's a beacon of what you too can have!

We're smart little mice.

Guys, I just saw a 100 year-old illustration that brought an "aha" from me, with all the past talk about mirrors and such, titled "All is Vanity" by C. Allan Gilbert.

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I'm glad I didn't see this in the early days, it would have spooked me into a quivering closet-person, so I hope it doesn't upset anyone. (if it does, pm me, I'll take it down)


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jjct
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Default  Posted: 8:41 AM, February 11th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

C. Allan Gilbert also contributed to WWI's "dazzle" camouflage pattern:
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As a metaphor for Tribe, it's almost too good!


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eyesrnowopen
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Default  Posted: 9:32 AM, February 11th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I am so grateful to hear everyone 's struggles, stories and advice. I am gaining clarity, support and strength from all your posts. I will try to respond to each of you.

Kajem: I loved your post on training our brain. When I was in the thick of my M I was so conditioned to examine me, what did I do wrong. He was so successful, good Dad, pillar of society. What was wrong with me that he was constantly rejecting me. Oh and he was always there too offering me advise and telling me what was wrong. His infidelity I see more as a gift now. His mask is off and I see through all of it. I now realize what I did as an enabler and co- d. I also see him for who he is. His definition of me is not my own. I realize he will say anything good or bad to manipulate a reaction What I do now to combat his voices and not react:

I imagine ribbon between us and big scissors that come and cut it. NO STRINGS.

I imagine he is speaking Chinese and I don't understand it.

I imagine a big protective bubble around me that bounces all he says off me.

This all helps when he starts with the name calling and blaming. I used to defend and get hurt or angry. later I would walk away and say we will talk later when you are calmer and that infuriated him and allowed him to play victim. My wife doesn't listen to me, understand me or let me talk.

Now I stand there, poker faced and when he is silent and looking for a response, I ask him if he is finished? I tell him that I heard him and that his anger has not resolved our situation. We need to meet later when he is calmer. I also schedule meetings in a public place, coffee house etc when I know we need to discuss something difficult.

Reprogramming our brains is so necessary. I see him differently also. Not as a monster who can destroy me but rather as a disordered individual who is not capable (at least now) of empathy. I almost pity him.

When my first husband died and I was selfishly wrapped up in my grief and feeling sorry for myself, it was empathy that saved me. I went to a support group and saw other people with pain and it pulled me out of my own pity party. We helped each other through. How sorry for him that he is seemingly incapable of real empathy. Only the fake kind that gets him what he wants.


This is the work within, having control over the outcome of our lives. Robert Bly refers to this as “Warrior work.” A warrior fights for a cause, something he believes in. As opposed to a soldier who merely fights for control – power or profit.

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sadtoo
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I hit a point where two opposing feelings collided. One half seeing and feeling the effects of improvement and yearning for more, the other feeling the ache of our/my denied reality and desperately needing to stop that pain. 5.5 years post DDay I was starting to feel like Jekyll and Hide, honestly worried I was bi-polar and seriously worried I was going mental! I would be fine (as fine as you can be when trying to repress all emotions based in reality), we would seem happy and doing good, then BAM! he'd do something or act some way that resembled his past behavior, and ALL of those repressed memories and ALL of the emotions and feelings would hit me like a freight train. I'd flip from raging anger to major depression and then back again in the span of 5 minutes. This would go on anywhere from 1 day-1 week, he'd act like he didn't have a clue what my problem was, guilt me in to feeling responsible for why our marriage wasn't better, and hand me the responsibility of fixing this problem. I'd work to go back into denial and the cycle would repeat itself. I couldn't take it anymore.

I finally faced reality and stupidly tried to force him as well. ALL of his abusive behavior came back! He never changed, never learned from his mistakes, never learned empathy. All of those years I thought I was showing him the way it could be, how good it could be, in the hopes that he'd finally see me, love me, want to be a good man with a loving intimate marriage...now I know better. I learned a very hard lesson and wasted, GAVE AWAY, six precious years of my life. I have lived off of the crumbs thrown at me from a man not capable of love and am currently living in hell.

Learning how to live with an NPD has resulted in 40lbs of weight lose, my hair falling out, massive depression, anger issues, panic attacks, Adderall, Xanax, Anti-depressants, a Kindle full of self help and PD books, and the list goes on....

This is an amazing and horribly sad description of what it's like trying to live with an NPD.

This was my life too. I had forgotten about my hair falling out. OMG. I was washing my hair in the shower and it was just coming out in clumps.

And I too thought I was the "crazy" one. I was so out of sorts. Screaming and yelling, crying, hysterical, bi-polar?

Sitting across the desk from the psychiatrist I will NEVER forget the feeling of total SHOCK when he said, "you are in an abusive marriage" I just about fell out of my chair!! Call me the Queen of Denial. I was so convinced it was me, It was like I didn't understand what he was saying!

That was my awakening. And that's when I began to regain my strength.

Today I am happy as a clam up here in Io-way. Although I would be happier if it was warmer than -5!!


It is what it is, not what we hope it can be.

When another woman takes your husband,
sometimes the best thing you can do for
yourself is to LET HER HAVE the worthless
bum.
OC born 2001
Divorced 2003
Remarried 2008 (New Guy)


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WoundedOpus
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Default  Posted: 11:29 AM, February 11th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

For now I am fully stuck and here, but I'm no longer 'choosing him'.

Just this morning he sent a text of BS me, me, me, me, it's all about me. Actual paragraphs full of it, which is amazing as he rarely bothers saying more than a sentence or two (written or spoken). His usual is to 'comment bomb' me with some random irrational attack meant to enrage me into defense mode.

If I don't respond I'm abandoning the marriage (him). If I do respond with logic he either goes silent or accuses me of neglecting the kids so I could attack him. It's utterly ridiculous, and predictable. He must have realized just how predictable he was becoming and this is his latest attempt to change it up...too bad I'm not that clueless anymore.

I'm so sorry I have not been the husband you expected. I am sorry I couldn't be a better husband than [exH]. I am sorry I can't give you what you want. But I never compared you to the details of my past. The past stayed in the past.

I do know I lost my way but I found myself again. However, it is too late because you are not there. I look at myself through the kids and want them to have the best. I want you to have the best.

I am not sure where I am going with this. I do know I haven't looked back when I found myself again. I want to live and die, old with you. I want to make new memories of our life for us and the kids. I want you to be my partner and the person I lean on forever. I am struggling now and find it impossible to get through without you. If you believe anything, you have been my world since I found myself. I am sorry I did what I did but it happen so I can live again.

I love you with all my heart and soul. Please come back to me as my wife and life partner.

I won't respond of course. I'm sure I'll get a tantrum later about this all being my fault, how he's trying so hard but I won't work on things. His definition of wife and life partner is not on my 'to do' list any longer!


Me: BW 37
Him: WH 38
(DDay: 2/2008)
13 years, 5 kids...Six years of Limbo

“I don't want to get to the end of my life and find that I have just lived the length of it. I want to have lived the width of it as well." ~ Diane Ackerman


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WoundedOpus
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Default  Posted: 11:56 AM, February 11th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Is it normal for a NPD to want you most (be most turned on) directly after causing deep emotional or sometimes (minor) physical damage and trauma? Seems to me he has always been ready to be his most "loving" after intentionally inflicting serious pain. Is this a common thing?

Absolutely, for me him it seems mainly manipulation, some turn on. Manipulation because they know how confusing it will be to us when they show love, especially when you add in sex. It is so hard for us to accept who they really are even when they're actively hurting us, much harder to accept much less remember when they're 'loving' us. One of their main goals will always be distraction, and sex for them can be a much more effective and enjoyable tactic than any other.

Sex gives them a HUGE payout. 1. You've been distracted and will not focus on how they just hurt you 2. It will mess with you in all kinds of ways down the road, likely extending your silence while getting more sex 3. If they shut you down with deflection or stonewalling (or their drug of choice), they have to suffer the punishment of your anger. With sex, they are gaining a reward for hurting you and you're actually punishing yourself

GROSS. I can't tell you the number of times I've felt violated after these encounters.


Me: BW 37
Him: WH 38
(DDay: 2/2008)
13 years, 5 kids...Six years of Limbo

“I don't want to get to the end of my life and find that I have just lived the length of it. I want to have lived the width of it as well." ~ Diane Ackerman


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FindMyselfAgain
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Default  Posted: 12:03 PM, February 11th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

WoundedOpus - you so accurately described what I have been living. And, I'm sure, what so many here have been through.

On the surface, it would appear that WH is trying to make things right...on the surface. It is an act that he cannot continue once something REAL surfaces. I no longer wish to be a performer in his passion play. Had I wanted to be a thespian, I would not have given up the stage productions I was involved in before meeting him.

There is a lot I want to say...but I'm not ready yet. I have typed out many things, but keep hitting backspace. I will get there. I am determined. But my anxiety skyrockets, and the toll it takes on me physically is too much.

((Hugs)) and peace to all.


DDay: October 7, 2011

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eyesrnowopen
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Default  Posted: 12:12 PM, February 11th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Again thank you to everyone for your wisdom and encouragement. I think I have evolved through stages of grief and have now accepted my reality being here in NPD land.

Wounded: I heed your warnings. You have been at this allot longer than me. I don't agree that you wasted 6 years. You have be become stronger and wiser. I can never post on the R forum because NPDR is not the same as true R. Stay strong and be kind to yourself.

Findmyself: you are doing the right thing by self soothing and self healing. All crying must not be sharred with the narc as that gives them control. With NPD I am finding I needed to do this when I was divorcing but even more so now with him. I have mourned the H and M I thought I had. I now see his niceness and his meanness as maipulation. We need to get our support and healing from within and each other.

Choosing Hope: you hit when you said NPD is a severe mental illness that can not be cured with by being nice. Your post and Wounded's post reminded me that I have to have realistic expectations. I choose to see my WH as having a disease like alcoholism where he is limited and disordered. Choosing to stay I see I can not enable him and need to manage him and my self. I wont internaize and take on his projections.

In many ways I think the seperation helped me to heal and work on myself, my fears and my self esteem. I think only once I have conquered my fears of being alone can I stay. What gives me strength is that I am always prepared that I may need to leave and I am no longer afraid of this. Being separated for 10 months has helped me build my self esteem. I also know how to set boundaries and can tell when he is lying.

Caregiver and Chipped:
I agree living with NPD is choosing to live alone. You are also right that I need to recognize his limitations with empathy. My IC said you change behavior by eliciting empathy or setting boundaries. It is like dealing with a rebellious teen, I set boundaries but almost expect him to cross them. Having a plan in place to deal with this is the key so far.

I almost pity him for not being able to have empathy. Empathy saved me when My first husband died. I was consumed with my own grief and joined a support group. Empathy with other peoples' pain took me out of my own head. Empathy for others allowed me to leave my own pain. No wonder he is always a victim he can never heal from this. How sad for him.

The most important thing for all of us is to heal. We are all becoming aware and on our roads to healing with or withiut D we need to get unstuck from the NPD quicksand. Poor narcs will always be stuck in thier own heads.

For now I am getting my kids therapy, building thier college funds, setting up my own nest egg. What used to work for him is not working. For now he is manageable but I am under no illusions that this is permanent. He is manageable because he sees this as beneficial to him. He has said that he likes when I take charge and tell him what to do, because he feels like I am taking care of him. He also says he will not cheat and lie because it takes too much energy and he is getting to old for this. WTF! I ask isn't it because you hurt your wife and almost destroyed your family?? He says of couse that too. Whatever, as long as the end result is the acting out has stopped. I am under no illusions thank to all of you.


This is the work within, having control over the outcome of our lives. Robert Bly refers to this as “Warrior work.” A warrior fights for a cause, something he believes in. As opposed to a soldier who merely fights for control – power or profit.

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It has been crazy quiet over here.

Like really quiet.

Especially since he got served. I was bracing for a storm. And ..... nothing. I am glad for it. But I am also scared. I worry that he is putting all of his narcissistic rage into the response. I am scared of the accusations he is going to make. Or maybe he is just getting his supply from OW.

Crazy quiet.


Me: BW 30
WH 37
DDay 11/12/13
Divorcing

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ChoosingHope
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littlefoggy - I was waiting for a storm when we served him too. Crickets. Then again when I filed to depose him. Crickets. Ditto for when we filed to depose the SA OW.

In my STBX's case, I've come to learn that he simply doesn't see setbacks in the way normal people do. I'm not sure about your Narc, so please continue to be careful!

(((Tribe)))
I finished the child custody evaluation today. I have to send one final follow-up email to the evaluator, and then I wait for the report next week. This has taken eight months of my life. STBX hasn't released his psychology records to the evaluator - and he claims he's not a SA.

I'm shamelessly asking for prayers and mojo. STBX NPD has accused me of everything from domestic violence to financial mismanagement to emotional violence to hiding assets to opening credit cards in his name to cyberstalking to using a key logger (criminal and civil threats) to being a alcoholic to breaking into S OW's home (!!!!!). And way more.

If any of you ever met me, you would laugh reading this list. But it's not at all funny because STBX is crazy.

God, I'm exhausted. Please God, let the evaluator look at all the evidence and make the right decisions.


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jjct
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Default  Posted: 7:12 PM, February 11th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

littlefoggy & ChoosingHope, you got all our mojo and prayers dears!
BE safe.
STAY safe.
Smart little mice.

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Default  Posted: 7:16 PM, February 11th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

If any of you ever met me, you would laugh reading this list. But it's not at all funny because STBX is crazy.

This is me too. What he says about me is the opposite of me. In the beginning it drove me crazy. I had an irrational need to defend myself. That only made it worse.

I didn't cause this. I can't control this. I can't cure this.....

So, on to focusing on me, on my healing and on my children. They need me healthy and modeling strong, kind, and affirming behavior. Not the old doormat stuff.


Don’t get to the end of your life and find that you lived only the length of it; live the width of it as well. 

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Default  Posted: 7:48 PM, February 11th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

ChoosingHope,
I know it's hard, but try to keep the faith. The professionals will see the truth.

This is called the "smear campaign". And like Chrysalis123 mentioned, they usually are accusing you of things that are true of them or things that they are planning on doing.

Mine accused me of:
1) Physically and mentally abusing him.
2) Having an incurable mental disorder.
3) Stalking and harassing him.
4) Calling him on the phone constantly.
5) Threatening to burn down his house.
6) Being an alcoholic.
7) Being a drug addict.
8) My parents tricking him into marrying me.

There were several other things. It was so ridiculous! He actually rambled this stuff off in court to the judge. The more he talked, the better it was for me.

[This message edited by sadtoo at 7:48 PM, February 11th (Tuesday)]


It is what it is, not what we hope it can be.

When another woman takes your husband,
sometimes the best thing you can do for
yourself is to LET HER HAVE the worthless
bum.
OC born 2001
Divorced 2003
Remarried 2008 (New Guy)


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jjct
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What he says about me is the opposite of me.

Yes, it is. I know this in truth.

What s/he says about me is more truly about themselves. Keyword being more. Please just teach yourselves to listen and not react. They installed the buttons, we know this, so clamp your teeth on your tongue if you have to. School your eyes. Imagine judges watching you, for the finest flicker of muscle. Get that calm in the force of their most virulent narcissistic storm and survive.


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Chippednotbroken
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Default  Posted: 8:14 PM, February 11th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hearing on the RO tomorrow. Supposed to sign divorce papers at the hearing. Getting nervous. I'm happy to finally be getting somewhere. He keeps begging me to just file for separation but I just want to be done. I'm not answering any of those texts, only questions about kids as they have all been sick with a stomach virus. I'm tired and just want to move on. Send good thoughts my way that when he sees that its divorce he doesn't go ballistic.


Me BS 32
STBXH 34
3 kids
Divorcing, though he isn't on board.
DDay July 13'

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caregiver9000
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Default  Posted: 8:31 PM, February 11th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

mojo and prayers, Hope!! Always for all the tribe...

Add me to the list of falsely accused. Things I was accused of

*mental issues (he said this in court and had his lawyer threaten me with my depression)
*violence (he filed a police report!)
*stealing money
*making threats
*crazy
*incapable of parenting
*cheating!!
*addiction (I think crack whore were his exact words)



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FT "Stretch" (and Skew!) ;)
DS 12 DS 9
S 5/2010
D 12/2012

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