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User Topic: Cherokee chief story....
blakesteele
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Default  Posted: 9:17 PM, August 23rd (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Just recently my wife shared with me a site she found dealing with infidelity....it is not interactive like this one but does have good articles on it. I was encouraged that my wife was reaching outward during her journey...had not seen this side of her much.

On this site one of the stories went like this.

A true story,

In the aftermath of an incredible injustice done to his people, an old Cherokee chief told his granddaughter that he felt like there was a fight between two wolves going on inside him. One wolf is hostile, filled with hate, anger, resentment, superiority, and ego. The other wolf is filled with goodness, love, peace, hope, compassion, and faith.

His granddaughter thought about this for a moment, and then asked him......Grandfather, which wolf wins?.

The old Cherokee replied....The one I feed.

End of story....enter my interpretation;


These conflicting forces are inside every person. Perhaps the discovery of our WS affairs force-fed the hostile wolf....causing it to become much stronger, giving it the ability to overtake the peaceful one inside of the BS.

For me, this was shocking as I had previously, subconsciously been feeding the peaceful wolf...not fully aware the hostile wolf was in there too. So I am not at all saying I was aware of this dynamic in me pre-A. When I felt the hostile wolf awaken I couldn't believe it was a part of me.

Now what I wrestle with is starving that hostile wolf enough so that my peaceful wolf can overtake it.

It seems like my hostile wolf is on steroids and my peaceful wolf is doing the all natural, fresh diet. In the long run the peaceful wolf will outlast the steroid-injected hostile one....but it will take..........time.

Who wants to take time....we want a pill NOW. We want to make the varsity squad and tryouts are already underway.

I don't know....this is just a story that resonated with me a bit.

Recently, I have been acutely aware of how strong my hostile wolf still is...fed by selfish actions....but I do see my peaceful wolf preparing to re-engage in this battle....and I see the hostile wolf looking just a bit concerned.

Thank you LA44, bubbleup, knowing, wincingatlight, tiredgirl, brokensmile322, bionicgal, ladiesfirst, tripletrouble, learningtofeel, and IRON2006....your recent support entered my cave and shined your light onto my peaceful wolf. I was surprised to find him looking bigger and stronger then I remember him looking.

Your posts to me today brought to my eyes. These tears fed my peaceful wolf well.

Thank you....God be with us all.


[This message edited by blakesteele at 9:39 PM, August 23rd (Friday)]


ME: 42 BH, I don't PM female members
SHE: 38 EA
Married: 15 years
Together: 17 years
D/Day 9-10-12
NC: 10-25-12
NC: Broken early November 2012, OM not respond
2 girls; 7 and 10
Fear is payments on debts you have not

Posts: 3411 | Registered: Jan 2013 | From: Central Missouri
ILINIA
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Default  Posted: 10:20 PM, August 23rd (Friday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Love this! I totally get it. I would add that my hostile wolf is also a bit crazy, irrational, and sharp-tongued as well.

My hostile wolf is just posturing and putting on a show, but he knows it isn't sustainable. He's just hurt and in pain, I'm giving him some leeway. He has already started shrinking.

I do know the good wolf will win in the end irregardless of my future path. I know if I am happy, my kids will be happy and that I what I am striving towards.

Thanks for posting!


Entering R slowly and cautiously...

Posts: 427 | Registered: Jul 2013
Jrazz
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Default  Posted: 12:37 AM, August 24th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

GREAT message.


We are what we repeatedly do, excellence, then is not an act but a habit. - Aristotle

Posts: 16344 | Registered: Feb 2011 | From: California
cantaccept
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Default  Posted: 5:25 AM, August 24th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

When I was reading your story I was actually relating it to my h.

Inside him there were two wolves, the gentle wolf, the one that was kind, loving, knew the right path.

The angry, aggressive wolf, the one that felt entitled, better than, cold and angry.

I lived with these wolves. I saw his struggle with these wolves, his battle within himself.

I always believed that the gentle wolf would prevail.

He chose to feed the angry wolf. He allowed the angry, self serving wolf to become the stronger one.

That is why we are now in so much pain and turmoil.

He is choosing to now feed the gentle wolf. It is still a battle though. That angry wolf still rears it's head. I see him struggle with the two. Everyday when he feeds that gentle wolf, the angry one is there trying to get his share, trying to become the stronger.

Which ever one he chooses to feed will ultimately determine how our story goes.

I see the struggle but I cannot control it. I am a bystander, a supporter. I can encourage, try to support the gentle wolf, but ultimately it is all on him. How will he choose? Which of his wolves is the strongest?

As always, your post make me think.


Life is change. Growth is optional. Choose wisely.

I would now like to be known as Can!

dday October 21,2012
dday December 20, 2013
wh boots5050
attempted R, it was all a lie

divorcing


Posts: 1245 | Registered: Nov 2012 | From: Connecticut
cantaccept
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Default  Posted: 5:30 AM, August 24th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

It is wonderful that your wife is being proactive, searching for information on her own.

I think it is a very good sign.

I wish my h would pursue things on his own. I feel as if I am force feeding him info. If left to his own devices he would do nothing but let time pass.

He relies on me to do this. It makes me feel like he is only doing it because I insist, because he feels he must not because he wants to learn and grow. I would love for him to search for ways to help me. That in itself, even if he couldn't find anything, just the effort would mean to me that he "gets" the devastation and I mean enough to him for him to have the desire.


Life is change. Growth is optional. Choose wisely.

I would now like to be known as Can!

dday October 21,2012
dday December 20, 2013
wh boots5050
attempted R, it was all a lie

divorcing


Posts: 1245 | Registered: Nov 2012 | From: Connecticut
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Default  Posted: 6:55 AM, August 24th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I thought about this thread a lot last so, so this morning i popped back in to copy it to my notes and read the other replies

Cantaccept - I like how you interpreted it as well, so i am going to send it to my WH today.


Entering R slowly and cautiously...

Posts: 427 | Registered: Jul 2013
blakesteele
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Default  Posted: 7:19 AM, August 24th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

cantaccept....gently, your husband may be feeding his peaceful wolf more then he is...if not, maybe he would if given the opportunity.

I say this because up until less then a week ago I incorrectly assumed my wife was the way your husband was...and I felt I had to feed her peaceful wolf, that she had no desire to do that.

Certainly during her affair and subsequent fog she HAD no desire to feed the peaceful wolf.

So you might check your assumption that he will just let time pass if you aren't actively helping him.

One point I really liked about this story was that it intentionally left out good and bad. Instead it listed real emotions....good and bad are values we assign to emotions...and those values change, emotions stand on their own.

For instance, anger CAN be good or bad. It was good in my case because it brought some reality to my wife and her AP as I interacted with them. It was bad when I continued to use it in mean ways after my wife decided she wanted to R our marriage.

Cantaccept....it is surprising how very similar our paths are...I assure you I felt the identical way your posts to this sound just 1 week ago....this one sharing of this one website by my wife pointed out that I was wrong in my assumption of her. I pray your husband will display the one thing that can help you overcome this stumbling block.

God be with us all.

[This message edited by blakesteele at 7:21 AM, August 24th (Saturday)]


ME: 42 BH, I don't PM female members
SHE: 38 EA
Married: 15 years
Together: 17 years
D/Day 9-10-12
NC: 10-25-12
NC: Broken early November 2012, OM not respond
2 girls; 7 and 10
Fear is payments on debts you have not

Posts: 3411 | Registered: Jan 2013 | From: Central Missouri
brokensmile322
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Default  Posted: 8:07 AM, August 24th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Great post, blakesteele!

It is true. I am not feeding the right wolf right now.

Sadly, I don't care really and I feel somewhat entitled to feed the angry wolf.

I guess I need to rethink myself.

So very hard to do when you don't feel that your needs are being met.

However, I guess this post also reminds me that whichever wolf I feed is also the wolf reflecting my soul.

I don't want to be a mean angry wolf. Having my needs not met and being angry is not really getting back at my WH, it is slowly killing me.

I need to let go of the anger, feed the right wolf.

As far as my husband, well, I guess the chips will fall where they may.

Thx


Me BS 42 Him WS 44
OW Coworker DDay April 7, 2012
EA on a slippery slope...

When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves. ~Viktor Frankl

"When you are happy, you can forgive a great deal."


Posts: 1414 | Registered: Jun 2012
blakesteele
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Default  Posted: 11:08 AM, August 24th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Brokensmile322...I struggle too.

Just read your tag line again. I just ordered his book.

Maybe you and I are close to really accepting what he states....letting go of the fear we have that our spouses won't or can't change , that they themselves won't stop feeding that angry wolf inside them....the same wolf that told them they were entitled to their "fun and excitement" with their AP's.

If we are close to that then we need to do the only thing we can do...change ourselves.

My goal from the start of my experience was to not turn into one of the many jaded mean hateful divorcees I know....I sense you share in this goal. To attain that we will find a way to feed and nurture that peaceful wolf. We both were like that before...we will be that again....

In time.

God be with us all.


ME: 42 BH, I don't PM female members
SHE: 38 EA
Married: 15 years
Together: 17 years
D/Day 9-10-12
NC: 10-25-12
NC: Broken early November 2012, OM not respond
2 girls; 7 and 10
Fear is payments on debts you have not

Posts: 3411 | Registered: Jan 2013 | From: Central Missouri
25yearslater
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Default  Posted: 11:24 AM, August 24th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thank you. Start of A season and I've started feeding sad, fearful, unsure, paranoid wolf. This summer was about my healing and I've made progress and then a look at the calendar brought that wolf out. My focus needs to go were it belongs.


me: 50 yrs old BW
him: 50 yrs old WH
Together: 33 years
Married: 28 years (?)
2 teenagers that we love dearly!
DDay: November 2010
DDay #2: July 30, 2011 found out restarted EA with same MOW (ended before I found out)
DDay #3 & #4: 11/26/11
D

Posts: 116 | Registered: Jul 2011
SisterMilkshake
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Default  Posted: 11:31 AM, August 24th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Like cantaccept, as I was reading, I was thinking of my FWH and his two wolves.

I wasn't f*cked up before d-day. I had worked on my issues. I wasn't perfect, I have my flaws, but I wasn't f*cked up, like FWH. I didn't have two wolves fighting inside me. I was content with me and who I was, I liked me. I never felt lonely when I was by myself.

After d-day, I was an emotional mess. I had some new issues I needed to deal with. My self esteem being a big one. But, I still never felt there were two wolves inside me. I have a side of me that can and does get angry. I always have had that. That didn't change after d-day. My anger was righteous and healthy. I didn't let it overtake me, though.

I like the story. It is very true. Whatever emotions you feed, that is the one that will prevail.

[This message edited by SisterMilkshake at 11:33 AM, August 24th (Saturday)]


BW (me) 50ish FWH 50ish
Married 34 years, 3 children
d-day 3/10 LTA (4 yrs./fucking & flirting)

"Oh, why do my actions have consequences?" ~ Homer Simpson
"She knew my one weakness: That I'm weak!" ~ Homer Simpson


Posts: 9404 | Registered: Nov 2010 | From: The Great White North USA
confused615
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Default  Posted: 1:36 PM, August 24th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Ugh.

I liked this story. So much so,that I made it my screensaver for awhile. That lasted until I triggered and we got into it. I was crying..because he had lied...and he started yelling at me.."which one are you feeding,C6? Which one are YOU feeding??"


Because...you see...it is MY fault when I get upset..or when I trigger over anything that has to do with infidelity. I get angry because he cheated..or sad..and when I do..I suppose,to my WH,I am feeding the wolf that is angry and hurt.

All my fault.

Always.

[This message edited by confused615 at 1:37 PM, August 24th (Saturday)]


BS(me)41
FWH 45
4 kids..21,20,11,9
M: June 2001
D-Day: 8/10/10
Status: Happily Reconciled.

..that feeling you get in your stomach, when you heart's broken. It's like all the butterflies just died.


Posts: 7123 | Registered: Jan 2011 | From: Indiana
rachelc
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Default  Posted: 2:21 PM, August 24th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I think you try really hard to feed the wolf that leads you to personal health. That might mean the angry one, for a while...


his Ddays: 2/10, 7/11
my Ddays: 1/12, 4/12 broken NC 12/12

me: 48
him: 51
4 kiddos in lower 20's

ôSlide the weight from your shoulders and move forward. You are afraid you might forget, but you never will. You will forgive and remember."


Posts: 4493 | Registered: Dec 2010
blakesteele
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Default  Posted: 2:47 PM, August 24th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Well said rachelc.

Kinda ties into my appreciation for the fact that the story doesn't assign good or bad values to the wolves. I do think we need to feed one more then the other and sometimes it is the angry one.

(Confused615). Sorry for the pain associated with this story. It is mean of your husband to use that against you. This is why this is so hard...to have intimacy with another you have to trust they won't hurt you with what you reveal. How a WS hurts a BS is among the deepest hurts a human can feel...not my opinion, it is well documented. So it should come as no surprise to anyone that this is a serious struggle for BS's.

Sigh....I have hurt my wife with what she has revealed to me about her thoughts and feelings around her affair.

Real wisdom is shown when we recognize which wolf to feed in each situation. I have not mastered that wisdom yet....but this story gives me a visual. I use visuals to work through new process's.

To date....this is the best visual for me.

God help us all.

[This message edited by blakesteele at 2:51 PM, August 24th (Saturday)]


ME: 42 BH, I don't PM female members
SHE: 38 EA
Married: 15 years
Together: 17 years
D/Day 9-10-12
NC: 10-25-12
NC: Broken early November 2012, OM not respond
2 girls; 7 and 10
Fear is payments on debts you have not

Posts: 3411 | Registered: Jan 2013 | From: Central Missouri
struggling16
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Default  Posted: 4:07 PM, August 24th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Your posting of this story was so timely for me.

My hostile wolf had a banquet last night. Today she's on a diet. Thank you.

[This message edited by struggling16 at 4:10 PM, August 24th (Saturday)]


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cantaccept
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Default  Posted: 4:12 PM, August 24th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I love this story.

I think that I relate it to not just the present but our entire marriage.

H always fed the aggressive wolf too much, way too much.

I always fed the gentle wolf and kept the fierce wolf in a cage with a blanket over it, it was starved, it was dying.

Now h is recognizing his gentle wolf, choosing to feed that one more often. It is still a struggle, that aggressive wolf has been so powerful for so long.

H wants to feed his gentle wolf. I can see that. I also see his struggle. Sometimes still that angry wolf rears its head, is dominant.

I am nurturing my angry wolf, it does need a little sustenance, but it must be tempered by the gentle wolf.

Somehow, I think I must find a way to let them have equal power. Neither is "bad". They must temper each other.

H is still resistant to reading and talking about many subjects. He is making great strides but does become defensive, no matter how gently I broach the matter.

He seems to react immediately to the discomfort by becoming defensive and then comes around in a day or so.

There is hope.


Life is change. Growth is optional. Choose wisely.

I would now like to be known as Can!

dday October 21,2012
dday December 20, 2013
wh boots5050
attempted R, it was all a lie

divorcing


Posts: 1245 | Registered: Nov 2012 | From: Connecticut
LosferWords
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Default  Posted: 4:19 PM, August 24th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

A couple of years ago I posted out here about my plans to kill the OM. Those plans were very real. A long time member went out of her way to PM me with this exact same story. It helped change my mindset. I wouldn't say I am a white wolf, but more of a grey wolf. Being a grey wolf is about balance for me, and I am comfortable wearing that particular color of pelt.

Awesome story. I never get tired of hearing it, and applying it to my own life.


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blakesteele
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Default  Posted: 9:16 PM, August 24th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Loseforwords....awesome use of colors of pelts. Adds to the vision. Thanks for the input!

God be with us all.


ME: 42 BH, I don't PM female members
SHE: 38 EA
Married: 15 years
Together: 17 years
D/Day 9-10-12
NC: 10-25-12
NC: Broken early November 2012, OM not respond
2 girls; 7 and 10
Fear is payments on debts you have not

Posts: 3411 | Registered: Jan 2013 | From: Central Missouri
sodamnsorry
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Default  Posted: 12:35 PM, September 28th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I actually just got a tattoo based on this story this week. On my right forearm, I have a dark wolf and a white wolf leaping at each other as a reminder of the struggle within myself.

I would add some of my own words to the traits of each wolf as well:

Dark Wolf: Lies, Impatience, Bitterness, Denial, Recklessness, Selfishness

White Wolf: Authenticity, Gratitude, Loyalty, Integrity, Patience


WS (me) 45- Dday was 9/20/2012
Wife 41 (sodamnlost on SI)
Together 9 years, married 5
Stepdad to 6 amazing kids (22, 21, 16, 15, 12, 10)

Trying wicked hard - never giving up.


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