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jb3199
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Default  Posted: 5:26 AM, October 12th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

With all due respect to tushnurse, I believe that the polygraph is important--and for a couple of reasons:

--First and foremost, it is something that YOU feel that you need to move forward. That alone is worth investigating.

--Second, it may very well be a direction changer. If you find out that your wife is still lying, it just confirms your beliefs that divorce may be the best route for you. It seems like you are slightly leaning this way, but need some sort of confirmation to continue in that direction. So this can be a good start.

--On the other hand, what if she is telling you the truth? Although she may be feeding you the expected lines, it is a possibility that she is not lying...as she reads and learns more about herself. I can tell you this---my WW said the same exact thing...and it turned out to be truth. Granted, my WW was also actively drinking in this timeframe, which fucked up her normal thought process, but it was the validation, and not the sex, that was the addiction. And once you cross that line with one person, does it really matter if it was 2, 3, and more others?

My WW explains the sex as sort of a "payment" for the attention. It was not the end goal, but more a part of the game to keep them interested. I am over 4 years out, and this still pisses me off to no end, but it is still the truth. You will have to find out if that is the case for your WW. But a poly is a good start to find out if she is still withholding pertinent information.

They say that the TT and lies are the final nails in the coffin. This may be your case. But you have to rule this out, if there is a possibility of reconciliation. You don't have to give her any benefit of the doubt, but you also need to avoid following a predetermined path about her honesty.


BH-46
WW-44
2 boys-17 & 20(special needs)
Married 21yrs.(together 27yrs.)

All work and no play has just cost me my wife--Gary Puckett
D-Day: 9/18/09 D-Day#2: 2/19/10 The Marriage Killer: 6/6/11
Heading for D


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jb3199
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Default  Posted: 5:26 AM, October 12th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

double post

[This message edited by jb3199 at 8:07 AM, October 13th (Sunday)]


BH-46
WW-44
2 boys-17 & 20(special needs)
Married 21yrs.(together 27yrs.)

All work and no play has just cost me my wife--Gary Puckett
D-Day: 9/18/09 D-Day#2: 2/19/10 The Marriage Killer: 6/6/11
Heading for D


Posts: 1998 | Registered: Feb 2010 | From: northeast
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Default  Posted: 7:12 AM, October 12th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I think the polygraph is mumbo-jumbo pseudo-science, but it can be effective if it frightens the WS into confessing ahead of time, because they believe it has a scientific basis and will reveal their lies and deception. Otherwise its not the best way to spend your hard-earned salary. Why not just assume your WW enjoyed the sex and make your decision based on that.

Did you wife use a condom? If the sex was unfulfilling I would expect her to insist one to avoid the mess; after all if she isn't getting anything out of it why take the additional risk of disease and pregnancy? Women tend to think of practical things like this if sex is boring, over quickly and solely about the man's pleasure.


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Default  Posted: 7:26 AM, October 12th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I agree with the poly idea for the simple fact you don't know if she's lying about the FB guy.
For cold hard facts; "Did you have sex?" polys are accurate enough.
For the nebulous "Why's?" not so much.

Uhtred, can you interview a few poly-givers? (not just one). It can give you ideas for questions and strategies - say for instance...how much will it cost to cancel? (if you get the parking lot confession)
Is it standard practice to present her with the questions in advance? ( I've read this)
AND
The big question is -
What is your plan if she is lying? Are your ducks in a row?


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Uhtred
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Default  Posted: 8:53 AM, October 12th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thank you all for your responses. I called several polygraph testers and the going rate is $600.00. If I get a parking lot confession I'll only have to forfeit $100.00. My wife did have unprotected sex with the 54 year old man every time. He had a vasectomy. This really makes me want to just roll over and die. Total disrespect for me in every way.

I had a really bad break down last night (uncontrollable sobbing) you get the picture. My wife was trying to hug me or whatever she was doing and I just don't want her to get near me. She has turned me off so completely to that. Is this a sign of me disconnecting myself?

Once was a time that she was my sweetheart and now I can't bare to look at her. I'm about 6 months out from DDAY and I don't feel like I'm getting any better.

My wife has so completely and utterly crushed me in two. I'm not one to cry much but I have no end to my tears. I know everyone here feels the same so I'll keep it to a minimum.

I still can't imagine myself being with someone else and starting over but on the other hand she repulses me. is this just a phase?

I'm going to go ahead with the polygraph and get it out of the way. I just don't understand all of this. I never went out with friends alone without her, she was included in everything I did and vice versa. She used and abused me while I was at work she was out fucking. I was even stupid enough to fall for her needing a break from the three year old so we put him in mothers day out program two days a week. This is when she was pulling her stunts.

I feel like I'm just spinning my wheels waiting for the inevitable. I'll admit that I am petrified about breaking my family apart because of her stupidity and selfishness. Damn I wish none of us were here.


Me: BH 32years old DDay 4-29-13
Her: WW 33 years old
“Yet each man kills the thing he loves
By each let this be heard
Some do it with a bitter look
Some with a flattering word
The coward does it with a kiss
The brave man with a sword”

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Default  Posted: 9:53 AM, October 12th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

You have two young children and your wife, with scant regard for their well-being, had affairs. I would not be surprised if there was more than two; one is all you know about and she certainly isn't going to confess about any others. From her perspective things are bad enough as it is.

If you want to keep the family intact, have you considered in-house separation followed by divorce? The family stays together; your wife has to get a job for medical benefits and you have a sense of retribution. WW loses the title of wife; has to assume her maiden name once more, but still lives with you and the kids in the same house, post-divorce.

If you ever are able to forgive then, hell, you can re-marry if you both wish. The above sounds better than you moving out permanently and filing for divorce, paying alimony and child support, financial hardship and only seeing the kids less than 50% of the time. Also the children would suffer less distress.

I suppose this scenario is really suited for a BS who cannot forgive, but doesn't want to split up the family.
Just trying to think of creative ways out of your dilemma other than waiting this pain out, which could take years.


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Uhtred
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Default  Posted: 1:56 PM, October 12th (Saturday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Ok Now,

I have considered this very same thing. I failed to mention that immediately the day after I found out I went and filed for divorce out of anger and hurt. I let it rock on for almost 60 days and called the attorney and told him to call of the divorce that I was going to try and work things out.

I lost almost $1000.00 but did get a refund. I've since thought of doing a do it yourself divorce, she will not contest it. We will split the bills and I'll of course have to pay child support and she will have to get a job which would be good for her anyway. she hasn't worked in over 6 years and idle time is the devils playground.

I definitely think had she had a job that this shenanigan that she pulled would've been way more difficult for her to pull off.

I really don't want my family torn apart but living together as room mates isn't a life at all. I'm honestly scared to pull the trigger on anything. I use to be a hell of a man (in my mind probably) but I've been reduced to the shit beneath her shoes.

I guess in the end we all have the same fears as one another. She is telling me she is torn in two by what she has done to me and seems remorseful but I just can't make my self accept it. I was hoping that time would do that for me but here I am 6 months later still crying like a baby everyday.

I guess feeling sorry for myself is something that I have to get over. I guess at the end of the day I really do not know what I want since my emotions are so up and down.


Me: BH 32years old DDay 4-29-13
Her: WW 33 years old
“Yet each man kills the thing he loves
By each let this be heard
Some do it with a bitter look
Some with a flattering word
The coward does it with a kiss
The brave man with a sword”

Posts: 553 | Registered: Aug 2013 | From: Houston, Texas
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Default  Posted: 4:56 AM, October 13th (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Your WW is feeling tremendous guilt over the pain she has caused you, but wives rarely cheat without first justifying the affair in their own minds. They need an excuse to commence the infidelity, sometimes they even manufacture one.

Have you explored the resentment she feels towards you that she used as a springboard for initiating the affair? If you are ever going to arrive at a point where you can truly reconcile, you need to investigate this resentment that she used to justify going off the rails.

You mentioned in your first post about your very happy marriage until this last year; I'll warrant that your wife doesn't share the same opinion, and you need to find out why before considering mending this relationship.

One rule you need to follow is to keep your grief private; no more tears in front of your wife. She will become inured to your pain and lose even more respect for you as a consequence. It seems so unfair; they cause you all this grief and yet won't tolerate the tears; especially if it comes from a BH. If you feel upset and a breakdown is imminent, then simply go for a walk, or at least leave the room.


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jb3199
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Default  Posted: 8:34 AM, October 13th (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I definitely think had she had a job that this shenanigan that she pulled would've been way more difficult for her to pull off.

More difficult--yes. But if the wayward mindset is already there....

You hurt deeply because you cared deeply. You still haven't fully accepted what has happened to you. I get it---it took me a hell of a lot longer than 6 months to absorb the full extent of my new, unwanted reality.

You will get there, too. You may come to the realization that this was a dealbreaker, and there is nothing wrong with that. But fear is an awful beast to overcome, because with it comes the unfair realities---being a part-time dad, paying alimony to the destroyer of your heart and marriage, the new-found lack of trust entering any new relationships, and so on. Then when you weigh this against trying to make things work with your wife---who currently repulses you---and it just adds to the confusion.

The only thing that I can say right now that may be of a little help, is that 6 months is not a great deal of time for infidelity. It is extremely common for the betrayed to feel as lost or as stuck as you are at your timeframe. But it does get better. It starts to hurt a little less over time, and as you start to take decisive actions for your future, the self-esteem will start to return.

This coming from the biggest doormat who ever joined this site.

IT.GETS.BETTER.


BH-46
WW-44
2 boys-17 & 20(special needs)
Married 21yrs.(together 27yrs.)

All work and no play has just cost me my wife--Gary Puckett
D-Day: 9/18/09 D-Day#2: 2/19/10 The Marriage Killer: 6/6/11
Heading for D


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Default  Posted: 10:53 AM, October 13th (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Uhtred

I know you are down. What a shame you stopped the divorce.

Because your wife has still not found out why she thought it was ok to have Affairs. EA/PA what does it matter.

But you know what is worse? Is when you start doubting yourself as a man.EA on FB. Her screwing a 53 year old man probably 20 years older than both of you.

But step back and really llok at her.

Why her? Because she is the one that is broken. Not you.

She has you from all her lousy decisions and actions thinking you are crazy.

Stop it. Now.

I truly feel like she is not being honest with me, herself, and our MC

Trust your gut. Book the polygraph. Do not tell her where you are going until you are in the parking lot. Make sure you are in the polygraph only 10-15 minutes before the appt.

Have you explored the resentment she feels towards you that she used as a springboard for initiating the affair? If you are ever going to arrive at a point where you can truly reconcile, you need to investigate this resentment that she used to justify going off the rails.

Your wife is selfish. But the key is not you investigating your wifes reasons which are pure BS right now.

But if your wife is truly remorseful she will investigate why she did this to you, her family and herself.

Why did she choose to cheat multiple times??

And then she will tell you honestly why.

Right now you have nothing from her.

I admire you for still being there. Your family means a great deal to you.

I just wish like you it meant as much to your wife as well.

Stay strong. You are on the right track even if it does not fell like it.

Courage and Patience to you!

HM


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Default  Posted: 11:46 AM, October 13th (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I have no experience with poly and don't know much about them..To me it could be very good tool to determine if your your WS is still in the mind frame of dishing out lies and half truths..

As others have said ( as is true in my sitch also) it is how the aftermath of this shitty situation is handled by the WS that makes or breaks the relationship..

Just the fact that WS is WILLING to submit to having a poly ( polys sound scary to me)says good things ...pun unintended, lol :-)

It was the fact that WH PREFERRED to lie and TT to me that killed R for me..
It was the fact that WH PREFERRED having the illusion of an upper hand or power in our R and M that killed R for me..

There can't be a good R without mutual respect.

[This message edited by doggiediva at 12:50 PM, October 13th (Sunday)]


Don't tie your happiness to the tail of somebody else's kite

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Default  Posted: 12:26 PM, October 13th (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

As I read more carefully and completely thru this thread, I am inclined to agree with others that your WS's motives to have A's weren't purely for the validation..I think that her ego LIKES/FEEDS off of the high of having sex with somebody new and different while successfully engaging in her behavior behind your back.. This A behavior is a GAME to her..

I am a woman who has been on this earth for quite a while, lol..

I know that I am in a different mind set, but if I want validation from other people, I am going to go where other people hang out..
I will join a photography class, poetry class, church etc because I generally seek validation for my ideas, what I create, what I can teach others..

Frankly, the idea of having sex with numerous random people for the sake of the sex sounds repulsive and terrifying to me..

As a person who hopes to heal and be in a good intimate relationship with decent person someday I can say this;

I don't like anybody being that close to me physically unless I think that I know him very very well.. I have to be genuinely attracted to him, trust him mentally / trust the motivations behind his desire for wanting sex and a relationship with me..Of course the potential partner has to be single..

In other words while I am still M and in D process forget the idea of having sex with somebody else..

I have the feeling that as a single woman I will be one of those people who is very hard to get..

I am against the idea of in house separation..

In house does a number on one's sanity..

If it is at all possible, please make other arrangements..

Take it from me, a person who is currently living separated from WH, but living with him under the same roof..

In house separation is like living in the valley of the shadows

[This message edited by doggiediva at 12:51 PM, October 13th (Sunday)]


Don't tie your happiness to the tail of somebody else's kite

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Uhtred
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Default  Posted: 11:17 AM, October 14th (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

My wife had ran across this site and saw my very first post describing the turn of events of DDay. She told me that she didn't join because she wanted me to have a place to vent.

I showed her this thread yesterday and took her to the healing library and she had a serious breakdown over what she has done. We had a really good talk about things yesterday that was proactive toward R.

When she was reading the healing library she just had a meltdown and realized what her problems are. She apologized to me over and again. I'm very happy to have seen this reaction out of her. I'm encouraging her to create a profile so that she get some support and learn more about why she had this weakness that caused her to almost destroy my life and our marriage.

Does anyone think this is not a good idea for her to be on the same site? Sometimes I find it easier to communicate my feelings to her in written form. Don't get me wrong i have no problem communicating face to face but I can seem to articulate a little better this way. Are any of you on here along with your spouse or significant other?


Me: BH 32years old DDay 4-29-13
Her: WW 33 years old
“Yet each man kills the thing he loves
By each let this be heard
Some do it with a bitter look
Some with a flattering word
The coward does it with a kiss
The brave man with a sword”

Posts: 553 | Registered: Aug 2013 | From: Houston, Texas
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Default  Posted: 4:35 PM, October 14th (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Your Wife would do well to get some advice from others who have found themselves in the same situation, she could get both support and Guidance, which in turn coulds assist you.

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jb3199
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Default  Posted: 5:11 PM, October 14th (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Being that you want your wife to join, and are not looking to keep this site as a safe haven for you, then this site could be constructive for both of you. Many, many members...and their partners...have joined and participated simultaneously.

Often, they set some ground rules--not reading or commenting on each other's posts, not ganging up on one another, etc.--but if your wife is interested in learning more about her poor boundaries, she will get help here. If you have read in the Wayward forum, they pull no punches on members who are not being honest with themselves. Very smart people there.

And for you, I think that this is what you are looking for to get out of this abyss that you are in. You need to see your wife dig deep to find her problems, to finally GET IT, and to continually work on herself to get back to the woman that you always thought that she was---prior to her poor behavior.

You will be amazed at how much better you will personally feel if she puts in the effort.


BH-46
WW-44
2 boys-17 & 20(special needs)
Married 21yrs.(together 27yrs.)

All work and no play has just cost me my wife--Gary Puckett
D-Day: 9/18/09 D-Day#2: 2/19/10 The Marriage Killer: 6/6/11
Heading for D


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Default  Posted: 2:44 AM, October 15th (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Stronger,

Sex is not a price we are willing to pay. This is an erroneous assumption a lot of males seem to harbor. When we are enrapt by a man be it his appearance or otherwise we have multiple involuntary responses in the nether area that cause extreme need and insatiable desire for sex and orgasmic relief.

The fact this WW is using the right psych terminology makes me wonder about her honesty.


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Default  Posted: 6:27 AM, October 15th (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I think that this is what you are looking for to get out of this abyss that you are in

Really agree with jb3199; good chance you have turned the corner and your wife posting will definitely help.

Its a good sign of sincere remorse when a WW is willing to bear her soul, so as to speak, and ask for help from the wayward section.

Still need to investigate the reason for cheating and why she showed so little respect for her marriage, and ultimately you.


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Default  Posted: 11:24 AM, October 15th (Tuesday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

was a let down every time they were together because it wasn't good at all.

Might be some truth in this - but not in the way a man might think about it - so maybe the truth is lost in translation.

My wife kinda said the same thing. Seeing the OM was a big 'let down' - not because the sex was good/bad or anything like that. It was always a big let down because the fantasy she brought with her never matched the reality. The reality was always pretty damn bad...and nothing to do with orgasms. etc.


I am not a marriage counselor. I chose "MC Jack" because I like the Music City. I did know what MC stood for on this site. Duh.

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