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User Topic: Do I be the bigger person? Or do I continue nc as I have?
She11ybeanz
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Default  Posted: 10:59 AM, December 22nd (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

So.... my daughter's sperm donor and his mother have not willingly seen my daughter since she was about 4 months old. She will 17 months old on January 3rd, 2014. The last time they saw her, was not willingly. It was at the Social Services office when they forced him to come in for a paternity test (as he did not come to the hospital the day she was born - my choice) and he just willingly signed paternity and opted out of the test because it would have cost his mother like $300 and they knew Piper was his.

We tried to let his mother hold her and she gave my sister the look of death and snapped at her, "NO I DON'T WANT HER!" and refused to hold her. Piper was only 9 and a half months old at the time. The social services lady said, "Its their loss!"

Piper has 2 adopted grandmothers....a nana...and a maw maw who are unrelated to her but have taken her as their own and treat her as such. She does not know the difference. My mother is a whole different story for another time....but is also not an active part of her life. Long story.

Anyways...so I found out that his mother is dying of pancreatic cancer. It could be tomorrow....or 6 months from now....but I think she will inevitably die. I spoke to sperm donors ex-wife, who I keep in contact with because she has 2 children that are Piper's half brother and sister and I want Piper to know them. We get along well. She told me that his mom has made amends with everyone....BUT...told her that *I* am the only one that she refuses to make amends with.

I don't know why this woman hates me so much. The only thing I did was not let her come to the hospital for the birth and that was because I heard she was spreading rumors that Piper wasn't her son's child to her grandchilden and she was denying her. I didn't want the stress of having someone there that was not supportive of me, especially when I was attempting natural childbirth without an epidural and needed to concentrate. Plus, her son never came to appointments and when I broke up with him around 8 months pregnant...he just stopped all communication and didn't show any interest in the baby since we were no longer a "couple." And, his mother did the same (which I found odd).

So....here is my question. Do *I* be the bigger person....email her...and tell her that I'm sorry about her situation and wish she had known her granddaughter before she died....or do I continue with NC as I always have and reduce the stress that she has from our mere existence by staying away.... and let her go to the grave with this hatred in her heart because that is her choice to do so?? I hate to speak ill will of anyone who is dying....and I would never wish cancer on my worst enemy.... it is such an unforgivable and unbias disease.... BUT...she was a cold hearted cruel evil BI#CH at social services....

I'm actually thankful sperm donor has stayed away because according to his ex-wife...his 11 year old son has nothing to do with him and he blows off his 13 year old daughter....promising to spend time with her and then not answering her phone calls. He's a worthless POS and his mother enabled him for so many years that she created a 38 year old monster with the mindset of an 8 year old boy!

But, I can't help but feel sorry for his mother and I don't understand why she hates me so much. I've never done anything to her to deserve such discontent.... but maybe it is for the best to just let her die in whatever she considers peace. Even if it just seems so wrong to write off an innocent child like that. But, maybe God is doing Piper and I both a favor by keeping these toxic people at a distance.

Thoughts? Opinions?

Does this make me a bad person by just going on with our lives.....raising my daughter to be a happy and healthy girl....and not making any more attempts at salvaging her biological connections, knowing that one of her blood grandmothers is dying of a horrible disease? I think the holidays have trudged up a lot of emotions on this topic so I had to get it off my chest. Thank you for listening.

Guidance please....

[This message edited by She11ybeanz at 11:04 AM, December 22nd (Sunday)]


"Sometimes your knight in shining armor ...is just a douchebag in tin foil!!"

ME - BW - 35
HIM - XWH - 39
D day: November 15th, 2009
Married: 5 Years, together 8
Divorced: December 13th, 2010
New Beginning: Piper/8-3-12


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justabrokendream
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Default  Posted: 11:14 AM, December 22nd (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I would let sleeping dogs lie. If she should reach out that would be another thing. No need for more drama......

Posts: 306 | Registered: Jan 2004 | From: CA
Williesmom
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Default  Posted: 11:19 AM, December 22nd (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

You already ARE the bigger person. Don't invite their bullshit back into your life.

Fuck them.


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clralb
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Default  Posted: 11:20 AM, December 22nd (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Personally, I would continue the NC. She made this choice.

And no, I don't think it makes you a bad person at all. In fact, even considering reaching out to her makes you a loving and compassionate person.

Some things just never get resolved. You tried.

Save your precious little girl from seeing this bitch lying in a hospital bed. My opinion, anyway.

[This message edited by clralb at 11:22 AM, December 22nd (Sunday)]


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hurtbs
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Default  Posted: 11:24 AM, December 22nd (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Continue NC. If she wanted to reach out, she would.


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Divorced 2012

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alphakitte
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Default  Posted: 12:12 PM, December 22nd (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

You are being the bigger person by maintaining NC.


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Default  Posted: 1:06 PM, December 22nd (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I don't understand. Did she actually want to be at the birth, and why would she want that if she denied her son was the father? Did you mention it to her at the time or just ban her? Tough situation for a woman to navigate while giving birth, anyway.

I agree with the others that it's best to stay out of it given her most recent behavior


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Default  Posted: 1:12 PM, December 22nd (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Continue NC. If she hasn't reached out to you by now, she is not going to. Like SS said. Her loss.

The only reason I would consider it, is would it help you. Would it bring any peace to you. Are there questions you need answered from her?


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suckstobeme
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Default  Posted: 4:09 PM, December 22nd (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

No, NC is best.

You would have a choice to make if sperm donor or his mother contacted you directly to make a bedside apology. But, you got this third hand from his ex who confirms that family is definitely not the most important thing to these people..

Shelly, you are obviously a very nice, caring, compassionate lady. But, very gently, the way your post is written its very clear that you are way too concerned about why this woman doesn't like you. That concern, if acted on, will only lead to more hurt.

While this is very sad and horrible that Piper won't ever get to know her grandmother, this was all her choice. What we've learned from the mess of infidelity is that we can't control anyone else. You can't control the fact that she wants nothing to do with you or Piper. What you can control is your acceptance of this fact. Who knows why? She's obviously got a lot of issues. She's obviously not a nice, caring person who comes from the same emotional place as you. She's not your problem and you setting a boundary, sticking to it, and making sure to steer clear of any new hurts for you and your daughter does not make you a bad person.


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ExWH - "that one"
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You get what you put in, and people get what they deserve.
Hard as it may be, try to never give the OP any of your power or head space.

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She11ybeanz
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Default  Posted: 4:23 PM, December 22nd (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I agree....NC it is!! That's what I figured you guys would say. I think the holidays are making me soft....and making me feel bad for her situation. I will let it go and leave her in peace...if that is what she has.


"Sometimes your knight in shining armor ...is just a douchebag in tin foil!!"

ME - BW - 35
HIM - XWH - 39
D day: November 15th, 2009
Married: 5 Years, together 8
Divorced: December 13th, 2010
New Beginning: Piper/8-3-12


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Default  Posted: 6:39 PM, December 22nd (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Sounds like she reached out to everyone else to make amends, and has chosen not to reach out to you. It might be different if she reached out to you, but she hasn't, so I would agree with the consensus of NC.


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Default  Posted: 8:11 PM, December 22nd (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

You owe her or sperm donor nothing. NC is best. You're not going to change whatever is in her that is broken and you're only going to get hurt if you go there.

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Bluebird26
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Default  Posted: 9:27 PM, December 22nd (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Don't pet the drama llama. Don't initiate contact, you will be opening Pandora's box.


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She11ybeanz
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Default  Posted: 10:18 PM, December 22nd (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I'm not going to say anything to her. She made her bed.....now she can lie in it. I did nothing wrong...except protect myself and my child from their BS. Period. I don't feel bad about that.


"Sometimes your knight in shining armor ...is just a douchebag in tin foil!!"

ME - BW - 35
HIM - XWH - 39
D day: November 15th, 2009
Married: 5 Years, together 8
Divorced: December 13th, 2010
New Beginning: Piper/8-3-12


Posts: 2724 | Registered: Feb 2010 | From: Virginia
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Default  Posted: 10:21 PM, December 22nd (Sunday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I think it's empathetic and kind of you to consider this action, but under the circumstances, it doesn't make sense, because it opens you up to yet more of her toxicity.

If she were to reach out, you might consider things differently, or you might not - it's your call. But, if she's not reaching out, I wouldn't give it a second thought. This is something out of your control.

((Hugs) Shelly and Merry Christmas to you and sweet Piper.


Me: BW-44
Him: XWH-44
Together 9 yrs
DDays: 1/10/2011
Status: Divorced 4/27/11

Above all, be the heroine, not the victim. - Nora Ephron

It is our choices...that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.
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Default  Posted: 8:03 AM, December 23rd (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I really think reaching out to her would cause more drama that you don't need.

One thing you could think about is to tell the sprem donor's ex that if the mother was interested in making amends before she dies and meet her sweet adorable little grand-daughter that you are willing but that she has closed the door so she needs to be the one to open it again.

The reason to do this is not for the mother but for you! This would be for your own piece of mind that you did everything you could do but you cannot control their actions or their behavior.


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Default  Posted: 11:28 AM, December 23rd (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Who the hell needs these kind of assholes in their life? Dying of cancer or not, she made her choice.


D-day OW#1 2/2004; R for 6 years; D-day OW#2 5/2010

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Default  Posted: 11:43 AM, December 23rd (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Just as you can't make people like you (or in this case Piper) you can't make them feel guilty about their own boundary.

For whatever screwed up reason she has it, it's hers to carry to the grave.

There is no relationship here, which is a good thing seeing the high level of toxicity around the both of them.

Trust me - Piper will appreciate a whole lot more the loving people you've put into her life versus someone who keeps denying the truth to herself.


AJ's MOM


Fidelity isn't a feeling...it's a choice.

"Truth has no special time of its own. Its hour is now - always." - Albert Schweitzer
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She11ybeanz
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Default  Posted: 6:18 PM, December 23rd (Monday), 2013View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

You know....tonight was the 3rd day of my vacation that has been spent basically just my daughter and I.... and we laid on my king-sized bed and wrestled around....and she sat on my chest and grined that big cheesy baby grin at me....her eyes full of happiness, joy, and pure love... and awe ... for ME... her mommy....and it overflowed my cup of love for her...

I'm glad I don't have to share those moments with hateful, hurtful, and toxic people. The social worker was right.... it truly is THEIR LOSS..... I'm the luckiest woman on the planet....

I got my Christmas present early.... a happy... giggly... smiley... gorgeous....healthy baby girl... and she is mine.... all mine. And, I will love her forever....


"Sometimes your knight in shining armor ...is just a douchebag in tin foil!!"

ME - BW - 35
HIM - XWH - 39
D day: November 15th, 2009
Married: 5 Years, together 8
Divorced: December 13th, 2010
New Beginning: Piper/8-3-12


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