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User Topic: should I forgive
nick1234
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Default  Posted: 11:31 PM, January 7th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

It is all new only two weeks since I found out. I know I can't make any decision right now. But why should I fight for something my wife was so willing to throughout? Now she says she is so sorry and she always loved me, I was always in her heart. I'm sure I was real close to her heart when she was telling this guy she wanted to have sex with him. She says she will do anything to prove her love, whatever it takes. Why didn't she fight this hard for us before all this happened? I still love her which makes me so angery, I want to hate her. I want things to work for our family but I dont know if I can ever forgive her.

Posts: 70 | Registered: Jan 2014 | From: NY
Dare2Trust
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Default  Posted: 11:51 PM, January 7th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Nick,

You need to take time to figure out what exactly you "need to forgive." You don't have all the details of your WW (Wayward Wife) affair at this point.

The first thing your wife needs to do is:
Formally END THIS AFFAIR. She must send the OM (Other Man) a NO CONTACT LETTER telling him this affair is over - and he is to never contact her again.
THEN, this married OM's wife must be told about this affair. His wife deserves to know!

THEN, your wife must be totally transparent; and give you assess to her phones, text, emails etc...SO, you can verify that ALL CONTACT with OM has ended and that she has no more contact with him.

You must remember: You wife did not come to you and "confess" because she felt guilty about this affair -- YOU CAUGHT HER.
And you still don't know if this was a Physical, Sexual Affair, or not...because your wife has continued to lie and "trickle truth" you.
SO- at this point: You don't know what you need to forgive, do you?

Take things one-step-at-a-time.

I'd suggest your wife needs to seek counseling to address: WHY she cheated in the first place; and WHY she can't be honest with you...since you caught her.


Me BS 59
WH 58
Married 19 years
D-Day Nov 3, 2005
Child: Adopted Daughter 21 College Student now

I can understand being alone; but I hate being with someone and feeling lonely.


Posts: 6126 | Registered: Oct 2008 | From: Texas
gettingthere2013
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Default  Posted: 8:15 AM, January 8th (Wednesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

One year out from the first DD,8 months out from the second. We've been in counseling since the beginning,and while sometimes H is clueless,he's been all in on the work R takes. Why is that important? Because even though I have damn close to a model FWH,I have just recently felt the loosening of pain and anger that will let me forgive him. It bothered me that I couldn't do that immediately,or even soon,like it said something horrible about my character that I held my pain like I did. It's an amazing thing to forgive,but it comes on it's own time.

I'm so sorry you're here.


Me:BW(42)
Him:WH(40)
Kids: Seven...yes,you read that right,and yes-we do know what causes them :)
Dday#1 1/29/2013(ONS with coworker)
Dday#2 4/8/2013(6 month LD PA with coworker,over for six months at time of discovery)
Reconciling...in all our

Posts: 73 | Registered: Jan 2013 | From: South
creativecat
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Default  Posted: 8:43 AM, January 8th (Wednesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

nick1234--she didn't fight this hard for your marriage before the A because she didn't think she had to. My WH said that he didn't think he'd get caught, so even though after Dday#1 he knew that his behavior was a likely dealbreaker for the M, we had Dday#2. And all along he was assured in his mind that whatever dissatisfaction I had in our M, that I would never turn to an A.

Don't make any decisions yet...get IC and MC, and let time play out a bit to see if your WW is truly remorseful and how your feelings are processing. We're 7 months out from Dday#2, and still the hatred comes out of me sometimes, despite the fact that my WH is being NEARLY a model wayward.


Posts: 89 | Registered: Dec 2013
Blobette
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Default  Posted: 8:52 AM, January 8th (Wednesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Yup, sadly it often takes the realization that they could lose their BSs for WSs to wake up. My WH said he never really thought through the consequences -- he admits he took me for granted. It sounds insane, but it's true. Part of the "skill" of having an A is having the ability to block out thoughts about how this might affect their BS. It is this ability to disengage that is so corrosive and hard for BSs to understand.

It may be that your WW is truly sorry. It may be that she isn't. It may be that you can forgive her and rebuild. It may be that you can't. None of this can be clear at this stage in the game. That's the horrible, awful truth. Only time (and enduring huge amounts of pain) will give you the answer. (Wow, I'm really Ms. Sunshine this morning!)

OK, so optimism here: people CAN be truly sorry and people CAN rebuild. I think our therapist said that chances for R are very high (80%) when both partners truly want to. It's the "truly want to" bit that's the rub, however.

So sorry you're here, Nick. Right now you're just in survival mode. Focus on getting through this period, eating, drinking, and possibly getting meds. Whatever it takes. This is one of the worst experiences of your life -- don't be shy about grabbing every resource for support that you can. Including posting here!


BS (me): 50
WS: 50
Married: 26 yrs
Kids: 2
OW: Co-worker, 7 yr LTA
DD 8/1/2012, Working on R

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Morhurt
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Default  Posted: 10:15 AM, January 8th (Wednesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I too thought a lot about forgiveness in the beginning. I googled it, bought books (though didn't read them) on the subject, brought it up with H and IC. I think in part it was a way to deflect some of the pain, to distract myself. It was also something that I could do rather than H. Something I theoretically had control over.

I eventually let it go. You can't force forgiveness. I realized that for me and my H it's not necessary to R. If it happens, great. If it doesn't, that's ok too. I feel much better having let go of it.

We're all on our own journey but I wanted to share my personal thoughts on it.


Me: BS
Him: FWS
M: 15 years
4 lovely daughters
Working to rebuild.

Posts: 926 | Registered: Aug 2013 | From: Canada
Kyrie
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Default  Posted: 11:00 AM, January 8th (Wednesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thanks, Morhurt. I agree with your thoughts. At 2 weeks from my DDay, I was a wreck and wasn't thinking clearly about anything, especially forgiveness. It's taken me almost 2 years to develop this perspective. And what a burden to carry around on top of all the pain of betrayal. Once I let it go, and a lot of other "shoulds" for that matter, I felt such relief.

Nick1234, IC made all the difference for me and my WH. I went through 3 before I found the one that worked well with me. And it absolutely helped my husband come to terms with why he did this and how he could go forward. I encourage you to do the same, if you haven't already.


Me: BW (47), WH (48)
Married 24 yrs, 2 teenagers
DD#1 01.20.12 When diagnosed w/STD
Told it was 15 mo. PA that ended 6 years ago
DD#2 04.06.14 Truth: PA was 2yrs/8mo
Separated for 6 weeks
Reconciling and healing now

Posts: 193 | Registered: Dec 2013 | From: southeast USA
sisoon
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Default  Posted: 1:00 PM, January 8th (Wednesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Forgiveness means different things to different people. On SI, opinions are all over - for some of us, it's essential to R. Others have R'ed successfully without forgiving anything.

I recommend changing this Q to something like, 'Can I maintain my self-respect and everything else I need to maintain while staying married to this woman? Is this a deal breaker for me?'

You can definitely R, if that's what you and your W want. What matters is what you both want and what you both are willing to do. The words used matter less, especially at this point.

Give yourself time to come to a decision, but if R is possibly in the cards, work on your M even now, without committing one way or another.

I found it very useful to define 'measurable' requirements for R - NC, IC, MC, honesty, transparency are normally requirements. I added some specifics, like my W had to arrange frequent dates for us, write me love letters, etc. The first 5 are recommended for everybody. You get to decide the other specifics that you want.

The idea with the reqs is: if you see her meeting the reqs, you'll probably lean towards deciding for R. If she doesn't meet the reqs, she's not a candidate for R, and you'll probably lean toward D. If she meets the reqs and you're still unhappy with her, maybe the A was a deal breaker.


fBH (me) - 70 (22 in my head), fWW (plainsong) - 65+, Married 45+, together since 1965
DDay - 12/2010
Recovered, not yet fully R'ed
I share my own experience because it's the only experience I know, not because I'm a good model.

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