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User Topic: The Four loves
purplejacket4
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Default  Posted: 1:44 PM, January 23rd (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I've noticed on other threads the abject confusion from BS and WS wondering about the "love" that exists in the primary relationship and the affair.

In English we use love to mean many different things: I love football. I love coke. I love George Clooney. I love my best friend. I love my spouse. True, we sometimes use words like "infatuation" or "like" but usually we toss the word "love" around.

In the ancient Greek (okay here comes my knowledge from being a preacher's kid) there were four words for what we call love.

Storge: affection (what we feel towards places or things)

Philia: friendship (what we feel for other people we care about)

Eros: sexual love (what we feel as infatuation, lust, limerance, in love)

Agape: unconditional caring (what Christians feel God has towards us, the love parents have for their children, the mature love that partners develop for each other after the eros calms down)

It seems that in our culture people don't seem to appreciate that eros must mature into agape or the relationship cannot last. Eros is not sustainable. Not to say you can't have a little eros mixed up in your relationship at times but eros won't get you through the hard times. Only agape will. It's too bad so many people don't get this.


Me: BS 44
Her: fWS 47 (same sex partner)
Together: 17 now (both MDs)
OW: meh so what 40s PhD
DD1: 10/30/11EA; DD2: 11/10/11 Had ONS; TT until 12/26/11; broke NC 6/12; NC again 7/12; R-ish

Posts: 1851 | Registered: Dec 2011 | From: Great Southwest
Rebreather
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Default  Posted: 1:51 PM, January 23rd (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Like.


Me BS
Him WH
2 ddays in '07
Recovering.
"The cure for the pain, is the pain." -Rumi

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scarednbroken
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Default  Posted: 2:04 PM, January 23rd (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Exactly what I was trying to say! Thanks!

Big "like"

Leave it to the Greeks to explain it well. :)


BS: Me 43 WH: 50 Kids: 13, 15, 17, 28 DD: every yr Ow: tons Status: fed-up. A woman should never invest in a relationship she wouldn't want for her daughter, nor should she allow any man to treat her in a way she would scold her son for

Posts: 413 | Registered: Jan 2014 | From: Midwest
StillStanding1
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Default  Posted: 2:18 PM, January 23rd (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

LIKE!!!!!

Totally frustrating when the WH said he "loved" us both. Whenever I try to distinguish love as a verb or choice, as opposed to love as a tingly feeling, I seem to get nowhere. He had a lot in common with her, so he still believes it really was "love" not just a tingly feeling. She wasn't some "dumb young ONS", she was this attractive, successful, professional woman ---- so I guess then it's 'love'? I'm so darned tired of trying to "explain" it, but perhaps I shouldn't try.... Can he really think it's possible to have 'agape' with two different women simultaneously? sigh. I don't think so.


Me: 40s BS, Him: 40s WH
M 20 yrs - 3 teens
LTA = 2+ yrs, Dday = 2/10/13, he moved out, MC/IC/FC,
He officially moved back in 1/25/14 and our work continues...

Posts: 515 | Registered: Aug 2013 | From: MidWest
purplejacket4
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Default  Posted: 2:26 PM, January 23rd (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I think you can have agape for various people (like you can have more and more kids and still feel agape for them).

Part of a lifetime partnership is the understanding of monogamy. If you have agape for your partner you may feel eros for another person (after all we're only human) but you will set boundaries so that eros as an action or behavior will never happen. So affairs are generally not going to have agape involved.

Now I think that you can have an ex partner from earlier in your life you have agape for at the same time you have agape for your current partner. However, again, the fact your current partner is your current partner means you inact boundaries with all other potential partners no matter what form of "love" you have for them.


Me: BS 44
Her: fWS 47 (same sex partner)
Together: 17 now (both MDs)
OW: meh so what 40s PhD
DD1: 10/30/11EA; DD2: 11/10/11 Had ONS; TT until 12/26/11; broke NC 6/12; NC again 7/12; R-ish

Posts: 1851 | Registered: Dec 2011 | From: Great Southwest
Topic Posts: 5

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