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User Topic: N P D Thread - Part 13
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Question: I've recently been praised again about surviving leaving my X and our long-term marriage. He was a hell of a jerk, most likely a sex addict but maybe just a sociopath who thought it was fine to screw prostitutes with no condom and then sleep with me. And of course, the abuse still continues, and I'm still smiling. But my question is this: What was the alternative to what I did? I was proud that I did not turn to alcoholism...but what else is there? Do people stay in the agony, somehow? Just existing between the fights? Or do they run away? If so, where??? I might like to reconsider my options. Just kidding, but not really.

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What was the alternative to what I did? I was proud that I did not turn to alcoholism...but what else is there? Do people stay in the agony, somehow? Just existing between the fights? Or do they run away? If so, where??? I might like to reconsider my options. Just kidding, but not really.

There's sex, drugs, rock n roll? People do stay in the agony, you hear about those women all the time, they keep going back. Existing between fights sounds like me for a few years post divorce. I stood up to him and said the baddest one word sentence you can utter to the NPD "no". I think it was 2006 or 2007. I was divorced 3 or 4 years. I think I was existing between fights - because EVERYTHING was a frigging fight!

They run away- leave with the clothes on their backs and go into the witness protection program.

Seriously, all of the above. Whatever it takes to thrive from your particular flavor of NPD keep doing it. I'm stumbling in my thriving but damn glad I survived!

Hugs,
K


I trust you is a better compliment than I love you, because you may not trust the person you love, but you can always love the person you trust. - Unknown
Relationships are like sharing a book, it doesn't work if you're not on the same page.

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Seriously, all of the above. Whatever it takes to thrive from your particular flavor of NPD keep doing it. I'm stumbling in my thriving but damn glad I survived!
Darn. I was hoping there really was an island somewhere we could all go!!!

I know I lived in the hellish part for years. I stumble but am mostly happy. And I'm grateful for people who share their experience as it helps me make sense of my past. I sure don't want to repeat any of this!!!!!


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Just wondering if anyone has heard from ChoosingHope??

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REally and truly...where the NPD's are concerned...the BEST revenge is to live well!!! All their abusive crap putting us down and weaking our souls is because they dont want us powerful enough to live without them. When you find the strength, courage, and resolve to get away from these assholes the next step is to live an active productive life!!! Think of your old dreams and choose one...then enjoy working toward accomplishment every single day. Every day you are out in the world being productive is another slap across his face. Another day of scrubbing all those hateful things he used to scream at you. Forget the bastard exists by being everything he said you were not!


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I haven't heard from her. I figure she's exhausted after 3 days dealing with him. Most judges will take time before handing down a decision.

I'm keeping her in my prayers. And sending strength.


I trust you is a better compliment than I love you, because you may not trust the person you love, but you can always love the person you trust. - Unknown
Relationships are like sharing a book, it doesn't work if you're not on the same page.

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it was a relief not to be fighting anymore

[This message edited by angerisme at 1:05 PM, June 7th (Saturday)]


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Darn. I was hoping there really was an island somewhere we could all go!!!

I think an island destination would be a great g2g .

I used to think about sending XH & NW to an island.
Antarctica is an island right?

Angerisme welcome back to the NPD board.


I trust you is a better compliment than I love you, because you may not trust the person you love, but you can always love the person you trust. - Unknown
Relationships are like sharing a book, it doesn't work if you're not on the same page.

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Thanks for the update, Kajem. I'm keeping her in my thoughts and prayers, too!

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I'm thinking about and praying for Choosing, too. Now I am worried about Nature_Girl! Where is she??? She's usually present on the boards.

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Hey everyone - I had a few pages to catch up on!

I hope we hear from ChoosingHope soon, if nothing else just to know she survived the court experience. I can only imagine how awful it was.

(I just reread this and it's so fucking long...you'd better get a snack and some coffee or just skip this shit altogether and go to the next post....)

I had a bit of a blow out with my WH today. I posted about it in D/S. I was going over it again in my mind and was thinking back to the part where we were discussing the issue with my DD and his behavior surrounding that situation and he accused me of manipulating the situation to make him look bad.

My IC has warned me about being manipulative, so I try to be really self aware on that topic....I was thinking about how I could have manipulated that situation with DD/ WH....could I have manipulated him into not coming to the hospital when she tried to commit suicide? No. Could I have manipulated him into not following her safety plan at home? No. Could I have manipulated him into continuing to live in our house despite saying he can't wait to get away from me? No.

I did provide opportunities for him to hang himself in his own words by communicating with him via text/email when something important needed to be discussed.

Sometimes I SERIOUSLY start to wonder if *I* am the narc. My IC has repeatedly told me that I am not the problem here in terms of expectations of normal behavior, etc. She has sworn to tell me if I'm the problem or if I'm behaving inappropriately. I'm paranoid on some level about this...I've actually wondered and worried if the ICs (mine/kids/MC) are working against ME and I'm the one with the problem/I am the problem.

I almost had a small panic attack when WH's L said she wanted HIPPA releases so they could talk to the kids' counselors, etc. I suddenly had visions of them all telling his L that I'm the problem, not WH, and that he's been stuck in this horrible relationship with me all these years.

But then I remember that DD's IC said the only time she feels like DD is really safe is when she is with me. And that the doctor wrote a letter to help me give my attorney leverage to get WH to move out if necessary. And that nearly every counselor has asked me if he's a narcissist when I've relayed some of his behavior(s).

Yet somehow....it just plagues me in my mind that maybe I'm the problem and he is the normal one.

When I think back to our marriage and my contribution to the issues...I see my responsibilities as being:

1. I should have stayed in IC
2. I could have been more flexible with making plans with his extended family (specifically BIL/SIL)
3. I could have complained less about going to work functions with him and done so with a smile


But his issues that he cites as being the reasons for his being "done with me" are:

1. Changing my religious beliefs
2. Not having sex with him often enough/not engaging in the kind of sex he would like to have

Regarding the religious piece: validation of my spiritual abuse led to PTSD which led to major crisis of identity and faith...I was in IC off and on regarding this and was talking anonymously with a local pastor via email and making slow progress with him, but progress nonetheless. It's very anxiety provoking, so I didn't push myself too hard on it. He did not like that I wouldn't go to church and wouldn't let him force the kids to go. He had a lot of anxiety about whether or not I was going to go to hell because of my changing beliefs.

regarding the sex piece: how was I supposed to have sex more often/want to have sex more often with a man who wasn't making any effort to spend time with me unless he wanted to have sex with me? Then when we had sex he was completely emotionally disengaged - he was completely in his head (he is a victim of CSA). And I'm sorry, but I can't tolerate the porn thing any longer....it just made the disengaging worse and made me feel even more used. He could never understand why I felt this way.

When we were in MC back in 2008, every single time we went he would say, "can you just go for both of us?". He had an incredible amount of anxiety over talking with the counselors about his issues. He could not make any progress on his own issues and denies that the CSA is affecting his life.

What else was I supposed to do?

And now with our kids - especially with DD that is having issues - am I supposed to ignore what the counselor's are saying? He told me several times today that he doesn't give a shit what the counselors say because they've never met him.

Unlike many of you, I never saw this mean and nasty behavior pre-A. As I typed that out I thought...well...maybe not mean and nasty....but degrading (the sex thing) and emotionally abusive (telling me I'm going to hell because I don't believe the way he does)....

Then I wonder if I was emotionally abusive with him as well...I asked my IC about this and she said she can't make that determination as she hasn't talked with him. That's when she said that I *can* be manipulative, so I've really worked on that and been honest with her about what has gone on and she's jumped my shit a couple of times and I've had to go back and apologize to WH. It's like chewing glass when that happens...but it is what it is...

Idk...I know I just went off an a tangent so fucking long and wide it will not make one lick of sense to y'all.LOL

I did send him a text tonight and said that I didn't see any reason that he needed to be mean even he was angry/I was irritating him. Tonight he said/shouted at me: the day I said I was done with you I did exactly the right thing. (That may be paraphrased a bit)

That phrase "done with you" just cuts me to the quick for some reason.

He's "done with me".

Used me up.

One night a few weeks ago I said to him that (during our marriage) I just wanted him to love me unconditionally and he said, "I can't do that".

That's awful, in my mind. Just an awful thing to say to someone. I pointed out to him a few days ago that he wants the kids to do for him what he was unable to do for me. I don't think he got it.

I'm shutting up now.

(((Tribe)))


Me: BS 44
Him: WH 47 aka CAT- colossal asshat
Married 22 years
D-day: July 17, 2013, with TT to follow
Heading for Divorce
3 kids: 15,17,19

Psalms 27:14
Wait for The Lord; be strong and take heart, wait for The Lord.


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OMG ((((((((((Nekorb)))))))))))

Where to start?

Quick synopsis:
you are with a narc.
You are surviving living in house separation with a narc.
You have children and share finances.
You have a child that attempted suicide because of the stress of living under the above circumstances.

The interesting conundrum about living with a narc - they are MASTER manipulators and masters at inflicting emotional abuse. How do you survive living with someone who is in your world but sees a different reality? You adapt.

In order to avoid setting him off ( and ultimately ) causing me pain, I took to anticipating his needs, moods, and reading his body language. <<<<< This is Codependent. Was I manipulated into it, possibly. Or I could have adapted to the abuse and this was my coping mechanism.

Now. Is codependency manipulative - yes. Your basing your actions on getting a certain reaction from someone. But in dealing with the narc it's motivated by self preservation, not by a specific outcome.

Every manipulation you did falls under the umbrella of self preservation.

Every manipulation he did falls under the umbrella of self promotion. Promotion is not the word I'm looking for, I can't remember. Anyway, his manipulations are to control you so you loose your sense of self. Some don't stop there, they need to break you spiritually, emotionally, financially, and physically. You know deep down just how far he is willing to go to break you. It's not something we voice- it's a whisper that says "he wouldn't_____, would he?"

Look up narcissistic victim syndrome - I think you will be surprised. Or maybe not.

Nekorb I think you are an amazing woman of strength and integrity. When his toxicity leaves your everyday life, I think manipulative codependent little Nekorb won't need to hang around in a cage. You will grow back the wings he clipped AND FLY!!! I'm looking forward to seeing you fly.

Hugs,
K

[This message edited by Kajem at 6:17 AM, June 1st (Sunday)]


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Relationships are like sharing a book, it doesn't work if you're not on the same page.

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{{ nekorb }}

I hardly know where to start, so I will just throw a few things out. One of my therapists said to me many, many times, "Compartmented, you are having a normal reaction to an abnormal situation." I was in a bad place trying to reconcile with an abuser who wouldn't stop cheating on me with prostitutes. You are in a horribly stressful situation and reacting to it doesn't make you the problem. Is there a perfect way to react? Does it really matter at this point? You are leaving the relationship and you are in counseling, so any improvements you need to make you can address later on. That's my plan anyway.

I'd tread very carefully regarding letting your daughter's records be released. I was shocked that my X spoke of my son's emotional situation in court. I NEVER thought my X would do anything to remotely hurt our children but I was sooooo wrong about that!!!! Listen to your gut and the counselors and protect your child, whatever that is. My X caused mayhem in our family but he couldn't face that and live with himself. Denial is a powerful thing. And court records are public if not sealed.

regarding the sex piece: how was I supposed to have sex more often/want to have sex more often with a man who wasn't making any effort to spend time with me unless he wanted to have sex with me? Then when we had sex he was completely emotionally disengaged - he was completely in his head (he is a victim of CSA). And I'm sorry, but I can't tolerate the porn thing any longer....it just made the disengaging worse and made me feel even more used.
{{{nekorb}}} It's not your fault. I found porn to be degrading and a big problem in my marriage. I knew I didn't look like the young women X viewed. At the end, we did have more and more sex where he was disengaged, like you said. And, like you, the only time my X would be nice to me was when he thought we were about to have sex and then for two days afterwards. Otherwise, cold, distant, aloof, mean.

Back to the HIPPA records, what do they need these records for? I can't see that it has anything to do with separation of assets, and it looks like you have enough proof that the marriage is irreconcilable. Do you have a custody fight ahead? How old is your youngest? Or is this being pursued to bother you, throw you off?


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Thanks for the reassurance. At least I know what I will talk about in counseling this week. I may just read her that whole post!

I do want to clarify that DD tried to commit suicide 2x BEFORE knowing about any of the issues between WH and I or that the marriage was ending, etc. She has struggled with depression and anxiety since about 2nd grade - I think due to her LD, which caused/causes her a lot of issues in school. The third time may have been a reaction to the stress of the news, but was not the ultimate "cause". Her IC thought that she was getting some coping skills on board, and perhaps she is, but they just weren't enough for her to deal with this, sadly.

Speaking of that, I said to WH last night that I have not talked to a *single* person that feels him staying at work instead of coming to the hospital (for DD's most recent suicide attempt) was appropriate. He said, "what's the difference? What was I supposed to do? She's tried it like four times now!". I said that makes no difference whatsoever and he said of course it does.

I.do.not.understand.that.thinking.

Back to the HIPPA records, what do they need these records for? I can't see that it has anything to do with separation of assets, and it looks like you have enough proof that the marriage is irreconcilable. Do you have a custody fight ahead? How old is your youngest? Or is this being pursued to bother you, throw you off?

I've asked for continued support for her until she has proven that she can live safely on her own and support herself. He doesn't want to do it. AND I think it's being pursued to bother me. Although, to my knowledge, I don't think WH has gotten the releases or done anything about it.

I've decided to tell my attorney that I just want him to make sure SS gets adjusted accordingly as CS ends.

Oh - and WH wants me to go to back to work. Now. Yeah - I'm going to, but not now. Not while these issues are going on with DD (they don't want her left unsupervised), not while my youngest is still in school (2 years to go), and not until I've gone back to school so that I can actually go back and get a real job that will actually allow me to support myself. My degree is not helpful as I've been out of my field too long and am no longer competent/safe, but it will allow me to get another degree/training/education I think, because I already have a degree. Kwim?

I think it falls back into his same magical thinking about us being able to fill in some blanks online and be divorced. I have a degree, I can just pop out there and grab a job and keep going as if I didn't stop working for 20 years. I also pointed out to him that I would have lost any job I would have had this past year. (Lots of time needed for DD - appts/hospital visits/maintaining modified school schedule/increased supervision/etc)

He also accused me of using the kids to get what I want. I wish I had thought to say that what I wanted was for him to end his affair and work on our marriage. I didn't think of it.

I don't know why I'm so hung up on this today - his lack of "getting it". I said to him that the counselors. Are not happy with the current living situation, even though he is moved out. They said his coming and going from the house all the time and having all of his stuff here, etc is preventing everyone from being able to move on and to heal, including him. His answer was, "I'm fine. This is about you and what you want.".

He also continues to be angry that he isn't getting any of my inheritance money, that I won't give him my grandmother's grandfather clock or her china cabinet, that I'm getting the house (somehow the fact that I'm buying his half from him is lost on him), and a million other little things.

He actually complained about the wrapping paper I bought the day after Christmas when it was on sale and that I don't plan to give him any of it, but will claim that expense as a personal expense of mine that came out of joint funds. He is insisting on taking half of it.

AYFKM right now? What the fuck EVER.

I can't wait for all of this to be settled.

P.s. The sex thing seems to be a common thread among the NPDs, doesn't it?

[This message edited by nekorb at 8:39 AM, June 1st (Sunday)]


Me: BS 44
Him: WH 47 aka CAT- colossal asshat
Married 22 years
D-day: July 17, 2013, with TT to follow
Heading for Divorce
3 kids: 15,17,19

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Wait for The Lord; be strong and take heart, wait for The Lord.


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I learned a new term today, it pertains to situations like this v

I said to him that the counselors. Are not happy with the current living situation, even though he is moved out. They said his coming and going from the house all the time and having all of his stuff here, etc is preventing everyone from being able to move on

The Seagull Complex: you fly in squawking, sh!t on everyone, and fly out fast! Leave everyone to clean up your shit!

Sound familiar?

(((((((Nekorb)))))))

It isn't normal that he continued to work that day. I used others to validate that his actions are not the actions of a loving, hell even caring father. I still do it on occasion. She ( in her state) could not give him supply, and if he showed up would be made the bad guy by hospital staff. He couldn't even play the role of caring dad- because people are seeing the mask slip.

Give your DD extra love, and do your best to not count on him even attempting to care about their needs after 18. Try to do that yourself. If it means more in SS, then ok.

Hugs,
K


[This message edited by Kajem at 9:13 AM, June 1st (Sunday)]


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He actually complained about the wrapping paper I bought the day after Christmas when it was on sale and that I don't plan to give him any of it, but will claim that expense as a personal expense of mine that came out of joint funds. He is insisting on taking half of it.

AYFKM right now? What the fuck EVER.

It was a lightbulb moment for me when I finally accepted that it was the fight, the engagement, the sparring, the debating, the interaction that FT X craved. I try as hard as I can to give him as few interactions as possible.

I suspect that when he is out of your life, you will spread your wings and fly with joy.


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Nahh K we gots us a duck already that can fly:

"Debating NPD's on the topic of (anything) is rather like trying to play chess with a zebraduck; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its herdflock to claim victory."

(((CH))) sending strength and positive waves.

Now this:

It was a lightbulb moment for me when I finally accepted that it was the fight, the engagement, the sparring, the debating, the interaction that FT X craved. I try as hard as I can to give him as few interactions as possible.

is a big step toward why we preach NC, glad that light is on!
For me, that light led to silence, and pretending I'm interacting (or that I care), to keep the zebraduck from crapping on me.
Comments like; "That's interesting." combined with a look that indicates you're actually pondering their insanity became an excellent tool for me.
It fed them (that's interesting) while removing my mind and emotions.

Just...try not to laugh, or let a flicker of a smile show. Squirrel! yaknow?

I wasn't good at saying one thing and meaning another. heh. None who post truthfully here are. At first. You get better with time and practice.

The thing to practice is hearing your words
screaming inside.
Not theirs, or anyone's outside really.
Depends on how close listening you practice, I think inside,
there's a song.


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(((nekorb)))

Please don't start blaming yourself and putting this on you.

One of the things that is said here all the time, of which I'm not a big fan, is that the BS has to take responsibility for their half of problems in the marriage before the A.

Perhaps that is true when you're dealing with a cheater who is not personality-disordered, but when you're dealing with a PD, their issues account for way more than half of the pre-A problems. I have no doubt that had you married someone with normal brain chemistry/wiring, you'd still be happily married.


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Sorry your going through such a rough time, I agree with others about the conflict, fighting, arguing and such is the kibble bits he thrives off on.

I have my kids and we are moving forward, he can replace them just as easily. He has no feelings, no love, he is empty - and as long as this tool OW keeps feeding him kibble bits he will be in LOVE - I just need to get him out of our lives pronto.


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Interesting, SIL has essentially said the same thing about XH. When she's visited him ( 2011) he was spoiling for a fight. She could see the anger just under the surface. He was waiting for her to say the magic word and he would have gone apeshite.

They'll get over it or die mad! Their choice!

K


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