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User Topic: crazy fantasy world from wayward spouse
StillStanding1
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Default  Posted: 1:16 PM, March 5th (Wednesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

This is seriously disturbing. Please know that this is not normal and she really needs help. I, too, am concerned for your safety.

Until she gets a LOT of help and completely deals with whatever is going on in her head, I really strongly believe you shouldn't even be considering R with this woman. And this is from someone who is very pro-R.

This is scary stuff. I truly believe you need some distance from this, so you can see it from a new perspective.

I am so very sorry for your pain. Infidelity is soul-shattering enough. Having these kind of personality issues come to light in your spouse adds a whole new dimension.

I hope you can both get some IC to help you both through this....


Me: 40s BS, Him: 40s WH
M 21 yrs - 3 teens
LTA = 2+ yrs, Dday = 2/10/13, he moved out, he officially moved back in 1/25/14 and our work continues...

Posts: 741 | Registered: Aug 2013 | From: MidWest
Lyonesse
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Default  Posted: 1:48 PM, March 5th (Wednesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

idontknowwhy5,

I am so sorry you are dealing with this. As if dealing with infidelity was not enough. This sounds alarming.

If you were a friend or family member, this is what I would advise:

1. See a lawyer - get custody of the kids, if you have them (did you read the recent news story of the woman who set her car on fire with her kids inside because she was afraid of losing her OM?). Separate your finances ASAP - at least take half of your joint account and move it to a private account. Take her off credit cards. If she is going through some bipolar episode or psychosis, she could do a lot of financial damage before this is over.

2. Get her a psych evaluation. Call your doctor or a local psych organization and see what you need to do to set this up, and under what conditions she can be made to go if she refuses. I don't know where the borderline for various psychiatric conditions lies, but better to rule out treatable conditions - her behavior may be a cry for help if she is really losing touch with reality.

3. Save all documentation in a safe place. If these are e-mails or text messages, get them to your lawyer, and the bit about knocking off the imaginary stalker, give to the police, along with the name of the OM. Perhaps this will burst his bubble. And yes, tell the OM's wife. If these two are fantasizing about murdering inconvenient people, she is next on the list.

4. Get some IC for yourself. You need support. It is hard to keep your world right-side-up and know what the right thing to do is when you are involved with distorted thinkers.


Me: BS, 40's.

Posts: 1802 | Registered: Jul 2011 | From: West Coast
mainlyinpain
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Default  Posted: 1:54 PM, March 5th (Wednesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I think you need to be concerned for your safety. I would go to the police and tell them about the fantasy world, the stalker conversations, and how you think you might be viewed as this stalker who has to be stopped or killed. You don't know what kind of crazy the OM is. He has talked about possibly murdering stalker. He has been told this is a fantasy creation by her and he is still in contact!

You need people to be watching your back. Tell people. Also....I would be afraid to leave my kids with someone who is in a fantasy world. I would be concerned for their safety and for their possible abduction. IDK this kind of stuff breeds paranoia but .......this is beyond worrisome.

/\/I wrote the above before seeing all responses.....so others agree with me. And yes, I did not think of it, but the OS might be in danger too.


DD 1 - 7/7/2004
DD 2 - 10/31/2011
DD 3 - 4/30/2013(or continuation?)(Yes)
DD 4 - 9/25/2013
DD 5 - 2/15/2014 (found phone from 2009)

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Tom67
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Default  Posted: 1:58 PM, March 5th (Wednesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

To have a chance of ending this crazy crap get in contact with his wife asap.
But would you want her back.

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Truly
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Default  Posted: 2:30 PM, March 5th (Wednesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage


I am so very sorry that you've had to find us here. Sending ((((((((((hugs))))))))))

(Echoing Lyonesse)

It does sound as if your wife's mind has fractured; separated from reality. There are a number of reasons for this which only a professional will be able to help her with.
Your wife needs intensive IC after psychiatric evaluation today.

There is little point in going to MC at the moment. You need IC to help you with the aftermath of this trauma and to receive coping strategies that mean you can assist your wife in recovering from/living with mental illness/personality disorder.

I love that you love her. That must be so painful, to love someone who is so lost.

Protect yourself and the children; allow the OM's BS to protect herself and her children too. This situation will only be ameliorated by honesty.

Focus on getting your wife help, serious help.
Fixing the marriage can wait, fix the brokenness first.

Eat well, drink water, exercise, smile with your children.
You are a good person, you did not cause this, you do not own this.

Sending you the strength of ages

Kia kaha
xxx


There are dark shadows on the earth, but its lights are stronger in the contrast.
Charles Dickens


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Tom67
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Default  Posted: 2:34 PM, March 5th (Wednesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

You may want to carry a voice activated recorder with you so she doesn't file a false DV charge and get you kicked out of the house your kids need you.

Posts: 269 | Registered: Mar 2014 | From: United States
crazytalk
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Default  Posted: 6:18 PM, March 5th (Wednesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

My IC also recommended against contacting the OWH... her rationale was that if WH and I were trying to sever contact with the OW, it would be best to not be pulled into her family drama.

In this instance, though? I don't know if I'd make the same call... your wife isn't the woman you married, and I'm sorry. I hope she's able to get the help she needs, and quickly, but at this point your reconciliation is probably a bit of a fantasy, or something to be revisited in the very distant future. Hugs.


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idontknowwhy5
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Default  Posted: 6:30 PM, March 5th (Wednesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

You may want to carry a voice activated recorder with you so she doesn't file a false DV charge and get you kicked out of the house your kids need you.

That's, sadly, a pretty good idea...


DDays- too many

Status - In D.


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TOMTEFAR
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Default  Posted: 3:44 AM, March 6th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

In the "getting rid of the stalker" emails was she planing anything? Was the stalker you? Was she comunicating this with the OM? or just with her alter egos?

I would be realy scared about this. I would also let people (police, therapists, doctors) know about this. Your wife needs a Deep psych evaluation. An francly you need to leave her. You don't know what she is capable of doing to you or your Children. Have her put in hospital!


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jb3199
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Default  Posted: 5:14 AM, March 6th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Wow....just, wow.

Sorry that you are here under these circumstances, friend. Betrayal alone is brutal enough, but the potential for mental illness on top of this?

I also echo Lyonesse. And tom67. And TOMTEFAR.

You have to protect yourself and your children first. Even if you want to attempt to help your wife, you have to use the oxygen mask in the depressurized airplane theory--put the mask on YOURSELF first, then help the others.

I think that you should revisit the first post on this thread:

The second time I found out, I filed for divorce, assuming it was over. She begged me not to go through with it, that we could still save the marriage. I loved her then, and I still do now despite everything, so I had the divorce complaint withdrawn in the hopes that we really could fix things, both for ourselves and for our children.

I would definitely get the divorce back in the works. You can always reconcile up to...or after...the divorce is final. You stopped the proceedings due to nothing more than lip service from your wife. This time, you will look much more closely at her actions.

I understand the "in sickness and in health"...I really do. But that contract was broken by your wife....repeatedly. Her "sickness" is totally self-serving, and destructive to the ones around her. Again, if you want to help her, that is fine, but do it with you and your children at a VERY safe distance. Your top priority right now should be extricating you and your children from this situation.

So sorry that you have to experience this. I know that there must be immense guilt if you are thinking of leaving. But we are talking about survival...emotional, and possibly physical.

You can't underestimate crazy.


BH-47
WW-44
2 boys-17 & 20(special needs)
Married 22yrs.(together 27yrs.)

All work and no play has just cost me my wife--Gary Puckett
D-Day: 9/18/09 D-Day#2: 2/19/10 The Marriage Killer: 6/6/11
Heading for D


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kalimata
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Default  Posted: 11:15 AM, March 6th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

This fantasy world seems borderline delusional to me. Get her to a psychiatrist ASAP, she may have a serious mental disorder.

I agree with the previous posters. You need to expose this affair to the light of day so that it will die. The key is the OM's wife. Expose high and wide.

Set your boundaries for her in the future: no electronics, buy her an old cell phone that doesn't take SMS messages, she turns over all passwords to you, setup a key logger to keep track of her.


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IWantDoOver
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Default  Posted: 11:40 AM, March 6th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

She had been creating some kind of crazy fantasy world with this guy. She had multiple email accounts, some of which were imaginary relatives, and she had a series of invented characters in her 'life.' ….
There are lots of things where she takes her real life and alters it in the fantasy thing she has created with him. A half dozen of the invented people were a strange amalgam of people we know in real life, and then had some fantastical additional aspects added. There were fake siblings, fake friends, fake activities, fake encounters with various other people. What really bothered me was a darker conversation I had just recently discovered where they both talked about this imaginary stalker x being killed or taken care of once and for all.

You need to discern what "cardboard cutout" role she has assigned you in her head. Are you the villain/bad guy? (In HER delusional mind; in reality her A is all on her!) Are you the reason she had the A? (A real conundrum: How do you prove a "negative"?)

Without a doubt, she needs a psych evaluation and a treatment plan.

For someone who has fallen so far down the rabbit hole, I wouldn't be prepared as a layperson to deal with her multiple issues.


Peace

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idontknowwhy5
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Default  Posted: 3:06 PM, March 6th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

So many responses, wow. I am getting information from IC/MC/legal about how to proceed. I can't just file and hope or something. If there is a psychological issue as there appears to be, then I need to see how I can protect myself and kids. Certain kinds of psychological problem may cause her to react very poorly to the reality of the marriage dying shattering her fantasy world.


I am still in a state of disbelief, it is utterly surreal that home life can be normal-ish and this has been going on too. I'm starting to realize that she may have painted me into am emotional corner as well.


DDays- too many

Status - In D.


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MCGar
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Default  Posted: 4:03 PM, March 6th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

The worst part is the fantasy of 'getting rid of' the stalker.
Even if this is just her imaginary world, the real danger is that someone might be convinced that you are this stalker. Your life is then in danger if it isn't already.
Don't sit on this.
Take action for the well-being of your children.

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Jacobswife
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Default  Posted: 7:18 PM, March 6th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

So my WH also had a fantasy life with his OW. She didn't know of me or our kids. He would make up details about people he told her he would spend time with. All the people he talked to her about are real people in our lives just not real events. The difference in our situation is, my WS ended the affair as soon as I learned of it.

Your WW sounds like she is looking for a way out, and I would let her go. she sounds unstable and you need to protect your children. I know,easier said then done. Good luck and be safe!


Me:46
WH:42
Married: 13 years, Together: 15 years
Kids: daughter 12, son 9
Dday: January 10, 2014
Trying to reconcile!

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Lyonesse
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Default  Posted: 8:36 PM, March 6th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I am getting information from IC/MC/legal about how to proceed.

Good!

I'm starting to realize that she may have painted me into am emotional corner as well.

Do you mean that you feel you need to protect her, because she is your wife and may be unwell? I get that, and that is fine, but ONLY if you put your kids’ protection first, and then yourself. You are going to be the one stable person here, so you absolutely need to take care of yourself and protect yourself (financially, voice-activated recorder, support system) even if – especially if – you are used to putting yourself last. Think of it as ensuring you are there for the kids, if you need a reason. She may never be a well person again, and she absolutely can cause a lot more damage before this is over.
On the other hand, she may just be an incredibly selfish and cruel person, in which case all the more reason to protect yourself and your children. I wouldn’t keep harping on this except I have seen so many unbelievable stories on here, in which the BS thought, Oh surely my spouse would never hurt us like that…

I am still in a state of disbelief, it is utterly surreal that home life can be normal-ish and this has been going on too.

You are still in shock, and right now that is your friend. I was in a weird zone for about two weeks when I was hyper-focused on all the stuff I needed to get done (hide documents, change locks, see lawyer) – it protected me from falling apart. Get as much taken care of as far as legal, medical, financial matters now. As soon as the pressure is off, it is normal to fall apart. Have your IC lined up so you have someone to call when you need them. And we are always here, too. Also – sorry, but – don’t forget to get STD testing.

You are doing great. I am sure it doesn’t feel like it, but you really are doing a good job of holding it together under (as you said) surreal conditions.


Me: BS, 40's.

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idontknowwhy5
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Default  Posted: 10:23 AM, May 19th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Just an update, the shocked stage is over now.

After again pledging no contact and seeming good progress in MC I found more contact yet again with the OM of a very sexual nature, not that that really matters as any contact was verboten.

I am having a really hard time with the idea of 50/50 parenting time, which I understand from my lawyers is the likely result, but I am pretty much resigned that D is necessary...

I have a very favorable prenup, which is maybe even why she put up such a show for saving the marriage 6 months ago...


DDays- too many

Status - In D.


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damaged71
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Default  Posted: 1:43 PM, May 19th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage


IDKW5...

WATCH YOUR BACK!

I know you think "that'll never happen to me". I'm "too fast, too good looking and so on to get hurt". My nephew is clawing his way out of a coma as we speak. His Ex put him there and she just might get off scot free.

My nephews Ex is a master manipulator in the tiniest prettiest little package you've ever seen. She is a monster, prone to fits of rage and she almost killed him and damaged his life forever.

PLEASE BE SAFE.


I didn't know there was this much emotional pain in the universe!
Me 42
Her 44
D-day 5.18.12
Currently in R

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tushnurse
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Default  Posted: 5:26 PM, May 19th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Like everyone else has said this is messed up stuff.
I would notify the authorities and then ask them to contact the other BS.
If you aren't kicking her out or leavin with the children to protect them then you need to load her up and take her to the nearest emergency room with concerns that she is a threat to herself or others. Take the emails along. As proof. This may get her a mandatory 72 hour hold and a full eval. Also start treatment of she has had a true break.
If not then it gives you proof of how unpredictable she is and how unsafe it is for your kids.

Keep reading keep posting.


Me: FBS
Him: FWS
Kids: 15 & 17
Married for 22 years now, was 16 at the time. .
D-Day Sept 26 2008
Fully R'd, and Happy Happy Happy

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1Faith
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What?  Posted: 5:53 PM, May 19th (Monday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Dear Standing

So so sorry for your situation.

What am I dealing with here?

By no means am I a psychologist/psychiatrist but there seems to be many levels of deep seeded "issues" here.

I agree with the others. She truly needs extensive therapy. Many WS live in fantasy land but this is quite the extreme.

Is your WW at all responsive to the idea of IC?

Consult an attorney to know your rights and how best to protect yourself.

Many hugs and prayers.


"I can be changed by what happens to me. But I refuse to be reduced by it." - Maya Angelou

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