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User Topic: The Ugly Truth
heartbroken2012
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Default  Posted: 8:51 AM, March 7th (Friday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

The ugly truth is, that since the A I have hated myself,I have loathed the mere sight of me,I cant stand to look at my body,or even look at myself in the mirror.I feel worthless,still have suicidal thoughts,and do not feel special. Its much deeper than that but it is what it is. My WH's A destroyed the self confidence that I had, it destroyed the feeling of us being soulmates, the feeling that I was special, and destroyed what I thought we had.

I love him. I am hurt, but I love him and I am trying R, he could try harder. I feel very alone.

I naively thought that he came over from England to be with ME. I naively thought that I was the only woman he looked at, thought about, and found sexually attractive.

I was wrong. I thought we were soulmates. I was wrong. I thought we were connected to each other, but I was wrong...I didnt realize he was cheating until much later.

THE UGLY TRUTH IS...that I think so low of myself that I dont feel worthy of anything, and in feeling that way I have to think of my husband with another woman in order to orgasm.

It sickens me. It disgusts me that I think of these things. Im ashamed.

WH and I had sex. Time before (only after the A) in order to orgasm I would think of him and younger woman etc, but last night I thought of WH and the OW. The woman I hate the most in this world, the woman that lied to my face about sleeping with my husband even after I bought her lunch...I thought of and orgasmed off the idea that last night while I was riding my husband...it was actually her.

As soon as I orgasmed, I started crying. WH asked me what was wrong, and told me that he thought the sex was AMAZING. That only made me cry harder. I thought that he was thinking of the OW. He gave me oral (he hardly to never does, but did it all the time with the OW).

Later that evening, WH asked me what was wrong and why I cried.

I started crying and told him. I told him how it makes me sick to think of those things. How I feel about myself. I told him what I said above, and how I think he thinks of her, and how he said to me once that she had a nice body, and how he thought she was attractive.

His response was that he is SO sorry, and that he was messed up, and that he DIDNT find her attractive, and DOES NOT think of her ever especially during sex, and that he thinks I am beautiful and he loves me more than I could possible know, and how the A wasnt like I am thinking it was, and he loved me the whole time even during it, and that I shouldnt feel like that , because he thinks I am wonderful, and that he wishes he could do something, and he is very sorry.

I told him that I need help.

He tried to console me more, but it doesnt help.

Today he acts if nothing happened...even mentioning the sex and how it was great. Like it was dust in the wind...like how I feel and felt didnt exist.

Venting.


BS(Me) - 32
WS(HUbbie) - 40
OW - 44 (a ugly, old, white trash horse faced Coworker)
Affair was 2 months long
3 kids - 5yr old, and twins 8 months
Dday - 12/25/12 (lots of signs before I should have seen)

Posts: 549 | Registered: Jan 2013
confused615
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Default  Posted: 9:01 AM, March 7th (Friday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

You're not alone. I feel the exact same ways..from loathing myself to sometimes thinking about what WH did with AP to orgasm.


It makes you feel crazy.


Im sorry things aren't getting better for you, HB2012.

You said you needed help. Are you in IC? Is your WH doing anything to help you?


BS(me)42
FWH 45
4 kids..21,20,11,10
M: June 2001
D-Day: 8/10/10
Status: Reconciling.

..that feeling you get in your stomach, when you heart's broken. It's like all the butterflies just died.


Posts: 7428 | Registered: Jan 2011 | From: Indiana
MovingUpward
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Default  Posted: 9:08 AM, March 7th (Friday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

((((hugs))))

I told him that I need help.

So what steps are you going to take for this? Are in counseling?

Your story reminds me of this story

A well known speaker started off his seminar by holding up a $20 bill. In the room of 200, he asked. "Who would like this $20 bill?"

Hands started going up. He said, "I am going to give this $20 to one of you - but first, let me do this."

He proceeded to crumple the 20 dollar note up. He then asked. "Who still wants it?" Still the hands were up in the air.

"Well," he replied, "what if I do this?" He dropped it on the
ground and started to grind it into the floor with his shoe. He picked it up, now crumpled and dirty. "Now, who still wants it?"

Still the hands went into the air.

"My friends, you have all learned a very valuable lesson. No
matter what I did to the money, you still wanted it because it did not decrease in value. It was still worth $20.
Many times in our lives, we are dropped, crumpled, and ground into the dirt by the decisions we make and the circumstances that come our way. We feel as though we are worthless; but no matter what happened or what will happen, you will never lose your value.

Dirty or clean, crumpled or finely creased, you are still
priceless to those who love you. The worth of our lives comes, not in what we do or who we know, but by ...WHO WE ARE.

You are special - don't ever forget it."

You are special and you have much value. Take the steps needed so that you can see and believe this.


AKA Moo

Think of the haters in your life as sandpaper; they’ll scratch you up time and time again but in the end you’re polished, smooth, and spotless..while they end up useless

We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give.


Posts: 52205 | Registered: Jun 2007 | From: Big Blue Nation
Gotmegood
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Default  Posted: 9:14 AM, March 7th (Friday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

You know what? You're not alone. Those horrible thoughts disabled me too, for months. I am 62 yrs old and my WH 'picked' a 20 yr old scurrying rat prostitute to go have sex with. In addition to the shock, betrayal of our bond, and illegality of his behavior, I suffered the decimation of my self esteem...big time. Reading your post made me cry; for you and for me. I suffered same feelings of ugliness and unworthiness.

I have two things to share with you. First: go get some help. Do not endure it one day longer. If you have a family doctor, tell him you need some anti-depressants pronto. I stupidly did not do this, but wish to hell that I had. You have far too much to deal with at the moment and you haven't an extra inch of strength to battle the demons of your loss of self confidence. Please do this.
Second: the intense feelings of unworthiness, declaring yourself undesirable, etc lessen. They really do. I can look at myself undressed now. I can go to public places without thinking 'I'm unattractive'.
My WH did say too, from the very beginning, that it wasn't about me and my body. My brain knew that was true, but my injured psyche was unable to believe it.
Get some help heartbroken, today. Don't punish yourself any more.....he's done enough injury for a lifetime.


Me: faithful wife 62.
Him: WH 64 , prostitute 20 yr old
DDay: 8-13-2013
Status: boinging up and down like a yo-yo

Posts: 465 | Registered: Nov 2013 | From: Florida
phoenixrise
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Default  Posted: 11:59 AM, March 7th (Friday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Oh god thanks for posting I thought I was the only one, they have really beyond damaged us haven't they...and sometimes it seems like they dont have a clue as to the amount of damage they imposed. I feel the same way and have experienced the sexual thoughts of him and OW too...its so effed to admit to think he has brought me down so low in order to get off with him. You are not alone...you are not crazy....the damage is real I have told my WH if his affair would appear as a physical wound on me I would be almost dead and bleeding out. I am very insecure with myself and hate looking at myself in the mirror. I have even told my mirror image "you are worthless" saddens me and its so hard to pick myself up. Any preening and beautifying of myself I do is because I am trying to prove that I am not all those things and I know it shouldn't be that way...just wanted to let you know you are not alone...I am on antidepressants they do help but they go hand in hand with counseling...one thing I haven't done is to see a counselor for just myself though...I thinks its time...we deserve it...I view myself as being immensely strong but on this one ill have to admit I need to sit out and could use any help I can get...hugs


"The grass is greener on the other side because of all the shit that is used to fertilize it"
Him: WH after 8 yrs M...wow to think he held my hand during labor twice
Me: thought I was a cool loving wife
D Day: 7 mos ago RIP soul

Posts: 212 | Registered: Dec 2013 | From: Dante's Inferno
heartbroken2012
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Default  Posted: 12:09 PM, March 7th (Friday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

and sometimes it seems like they dont have a clue as to the amount of damage they imposed.

Yes and its really bothering me today that he is acting like NOTHING happened last night, like Im not hurting today and even as gone as far as mentioning the sex we had and how great it was.

Doesnt he understand that I had to think of him and that whore OW to even get off?! And felt more disgusted with myself than I ever have?

Why is acting like nothing happened?


BS(Me) - 32
WS(HUbbie) - 40
OW - 44 (a ugly, old, white trash horse faced Coworker)
Affair was 2 months long
3 kids - 5yr old, and twins 8 months
Dday - 12/25/12 (lots of signs before I should have seen)

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Pass
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Default  Posted: 12:22 PM, March 7th (Friday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Yes and its really bothering me today that he is acting like NOTHING happened last night, like Im not hurting today and even as gone as far as mentioning the sex we had and how great it was.

He is trying to minimize the damage that he has caused. He is hoping that a few quick sorries can make everything better. It doesn't work that way.

As others have suggested, you need to see your doctor AND get into counselling. You need the doctor for some antidepressants. They'll take a while to do their thing, but will eventually help.

The counselling is more important. You need someone to work with you, and to help you stop saying these horrible things to yourself. You are not responsible for any of this badness. Your husband didn't cheat because of any shortcomings you could have had. He cheated because of his shortcomings.

I'm sorry you're going through this.


Loyal spouse: Me; Disloyal spouse: The Princess
Two sons: Now 11 and 14
DDay: Nov 15, 2012
Separated: Mar 2, 2013 after 17 year marriage, now divorcing!

The best thing about hitting rock bottom is that everything after that looks fucking fabulous


Posts: 1933 | Registered: Jan 2013 | From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
hurtingfool
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Default  Posted: 2:37 PM, March 7th (Friday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I've hated myself for a long time. Well before the A. Right before the A, I had finally started being happy again. I was getting ready to start working out as I hated how I had let myself go. I was making a bunch of changes for the better. AP had a body like a body builder. I hate myself again. I'm disgusted with my body. When she says I am fine the way I am I want to lose it. I can't stand her touching my arms. It makes me sick.

I went to IC because the suicidal thoughts got worse. They still flash through my head, but not as bad as they were. Sometimes it still seems to be the easy way out, it's one of my values I am so desperately wanting to keep. If I let this one go, well, I can't let this one go.

I don't feel special. AP got to her the same way I had. The feelings weren't special. All the things I've ever done to let her know how I felt, make me feel like a fool. She's been selfish. I'm still taking time to make the decision. When I first found out, I would of wanted R, I know I would have throughout times this week as well. If I was asked right now, it would be D.

That was a long way for me to say you are not alone.

Time. Patience. We will get better.


Me: BS 31
Her: WS 29
10 years of marriage
12 years together
3 kids
DDay:January 16, 2014

Posts: 129 | Registered: Jan 2014 | From: NW US
norabird
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Default  Posted: 2:37 PM, March 7th (Friday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Just wanted to say that I also still think about the exWBF and his OW to orgasm, sometimes. I did this before I found out he had actually cheated with her also! I knew she was a threat and somehow it became the thing I could rely on to push myself over the edge. It is a very weird, uncomfortable thing but you are not alone in having that connection. It is not something to be ashamed of even though I understand how awful it can be. But it's part of how we process things.

Talk more with this about your WH and get into IC if you aren't already.

You are not worthless!


Sit. Feast on your life.

Posts: 4165 | Registered: Jan 2014 | From: NYC
hopingforhappy
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Default  Posted: 2:57 PM, March 7th (Friday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

They do not know how much they hurt us and I am not sure that it is realistic to expect them to. I don't think anybody really knows what this stuff is like unless they have lived it. It is way more horrible than anything else I have experienced, including the deaths of close family members. That being said, they should make an effort to be empathetic. Your WH sounds like he tried and that is a start. You will need to tell him what you need and educate him about how you are feeling. Unfortunately, I think that is the only way. Hopefully, he will be receptive to that.

If you feel like you need help, you probably do, especially if you are having suicidal thoughts. See your family doctor and discuss AD's. I was on one for a short time (about 8 months) and it made a big difference. Definitely start IC. You are very early in the process, it takes a long time to heal, but you can and you will.


Me--BW (56)
Him--FWH (53)--5yr. LTA--OW probably BPD
Married 20 years
DS-18, DD-15
Reconciling--but boy is it hard!

Posts: 1299 | Registered: Aug 2010
hikingwithkoda
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Default  Posted: 12:41 PM, March 8th (Saturday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Wow, heartbroken, your post kinda broke MY heart. I've never even considered that someone's self-esteem could get so crushed that they actually use their greatest hurt to achieve an orgasm. That is beyond unfair! I add my voice to those urging you to see an IC and find your way back to seeing your true value.

I'm also shocked to hear how many people have the same issue of using the A as a trigger for sexual release. For me, it was the EXACT opposite -- instant hydraulic failure if I let myself visualize them together, even for a moment.

phoenixrise compared it to a physical wound so severe she was bleeding out. As severe wounds heal, they go through some disgusting stages where various revolting fluids and such come out. Maybe that's what this is for you, just some mental discharge that needs to drain out as you find your way back to being whole again.


Me: BH, 50
Her: WW, 50
D-Day 12/27/2013 3-month PA with family friend

But also:
Me: WH, 50
Her: BW, 50
D-day: 12/27/2013 (about A that happened 14-15 years ago w/coworker)


Posts: 69 | Registered: Jan 2014 | From: Southern California
cancuncrushed
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Default  Posted: 1:15 PM, March 8th (Saturday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thank you...Its the gut wrenching down to your soul honesty on these boards that help us so much....Thank you for your honesty..So many of us still hold back, because of shame....I do this too...I felt it was hate... to feel the hate..imagining them...


a trigger yesterday

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TrulySad
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Default  Posted: 4:08 PM, March 12th (Wednesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I read your post a number of days ago. I wanted to respond to it, but didn't have the chance at the time.

You have amazing courage to put this into words. I'm dealing with the exact same issues. It's crushing, and I thought because no one ever mentioned it here, that it wasn't normal. All I hear is how the BS has mind movies in their head during sex, and it causes them to shut down, cry, and essentially stop.

Maybe because we just want to feel something, we started using all we saw in our heads at the time, as the means to arouse us? I don't know. I just know I want it to stop. It's put a huge strain on how I feel, and ultimately my desire to have sex with my WBF. If he could have sex every day, he would. Now, all I'm thinking is... can I handle what it's going to take for me to O.

This just sucks


Me: Sad, but I will survive

True Love: What I have for my beautiful children.


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Rainbows
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Default  Posted: 3:27 AM, March 13th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

That was exceptionally brave of you to post so honestly.

You are not alone in your experience and I thank you for opening up this discussion. There is a lot of shame around admitting some of these feelings which makes them more isolating and painful.

I've had 2 ddays with my ex and both decimated my self image and esteem. After the first dday, my weight got down to 89 lbs (I'm 5'9) because I couldn't stand my body and blamed it for his infidelity.

The self harm thoughts are much less frequent because of intense work with IC, but they still roll on by when I'm triggered.

After the first dday, I remember reading that arousal from something painful or threatening is some kind of a coping mechanism. I haven't experienced it this time around.

A good therapist can help you get a handle on these feelings and give you tools to overcome them.

Sending you hugs.


There is always a rainbow after every storm.

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