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User Topic: Selfish no more
catlover50
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Default  Posted: 5:25 AM, March 20th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Prior to Dday, for our entire relationship, I would say that my H's defining characteristic as a husband and father was selfishness. Actually I did say it. Selfishness and entitlement (which I guess go together). It didn't stand out to me as much as it should have before we got married and had children, but he was all about him and what he wanted or didn't want.

I took care of almost everything around the house, including bills, car maintenance, child care, shopping, etc, etc, even hired out the lawn and snow plowing because he just didn't do it. Plus I worked full time and contributed as much or more the the family finances. He had two chores, the weekly garbage and emptying the dishwasher, and he complained about doing those. He spent weekends watching tv and playing video games while I hustled around. He participated with the kids when it was something he was interested in (yes he would go see a Disney movie with us, but I schlepped alone to Pokeman.) He was mostly a selfish lover. He was all about "I don't want to, or "I wanted to". He wanted the most expensive entree on the menu, regardless of our budget, but always wanted to eat some of mine first. He wanted the extra glass of (the most expensive) wine, even though he was driving. He wanted to text and drive. He never appeared to deny himself any impulse or push himself to think of others.

You get the picture. I did, obviously, notice this and did try a few times to address it with him. He would agree that he was selfish and kind of shrug and never change in any way. The kids as they got older were more vocal ("Oh my God, Dad, you are so selfish!). They, unfortunately, learned lessons about being a man that they have had to unlearn as they have grown and developed relationships of their own. I would bitch to my friends, who had similar stories, and talk to my therapist. I decided that it wasn't worth divorce and just made the best of it. I asked him to do as little as possible since it just led to resentment on his part, and tried to make our life as interesting as possible so that he chose to participate.

I did wonder where this behavior originated. He was basically ignored as a child by a cold and unloving mother, and had no father figure. So the entitlement wasn't from being spoiled, but perhaps the selfishness was a defense mechanism. I did not learn of his CSA until after Dday.

Now you would think a person thinking always and only of their own selfish needs would be happy, right? Wrong. He suffered from intermittent depression. Although he would acknowledge that he had an amazing wife and family and considered himself "happily married" he did not appreciate his good fortune.

And then, of course, the ultimate selfish act, the A. He wasn't "in love", wasn't "carried away"; she was just available and he "wanted to". Kind of a shrug. Without a thought to me, his children, or the life he was risking. His issues allowed him to compartmentalize, and really, it was only about him. (Fortunately he was, if possible, even more selfish with her.)

And now. So different. As I have watched him over the last year and a half I have been amazed. I didn't know he had it in him. I literally have no complaints in this area anymore. He is a full partner, not just "helping" but owning chores and responsibilities, no longer just to be "on his best behavior" but because it's fair and right. He thinks of things to make me happy and is all about giving. He is careful not to overindulge and has given up his bad habits without my nagging.

And he is happy. Content.

I suspect that part of selfishness is lack of attachment; not caring enough about anyone outside of yourself because you don't have that connection. And that that is lonely and isolating. But I also suspect that giving to others has it's own intrinsic rewards. Rewards that he just never experienced before.

Tough, tough road to get here, but I am so happy to get to finally see this growth in the man I love.



Dday -9/24/2012
Reconciling

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NaiveAgain
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Default  Posted: 5:43 AM, March 20th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I'm really happy for you also. It sounds like he is changing and finally getting it. It also gives me hope, because I sometimes feel maybe you are just born selfish and it never changes, but your post is showing me that most probably it matters why someone is selfish and how they got that way.

And he is happy. Content.
I've always heard it is better to give than to receive, and it has always made me happier to make my children and loved ones happy. I think one way out of depression is to start doing nice things for others.....(doesn't work for everyone, but I am learning more about depression also....)

Anyway, kind of random thoughts on this first thing in the morning, but your post struck a chord with me, and first and foremost, I am glad you are finally getting the partner you deserve.


Original WS D-Day July 10, 2008. Kept lying, he is gone.
New WS (2 EA's, no PA) 12-3-13
If you don't like where you are, then change it. You are not a tree.

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bionicgal
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Default  Posted: 8:02 AM, March 20th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Someone wise here once said that it isn't what a wayward wasn't getting at home, it is what they weren't giving.

I know my H is happier and more grounded now that he is in giving mode. And, so am I!


me - BS (40s)
DDay - June 2013, A was 2+ months, EA then PA
In MC & Reconciling
An affair is a personal crisis, not a relationship.

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Neverwudaguessed
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Default  Posted: 8:25 AM, March 20th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I suspect that part of selfishness is lack of attachment; not caring enough about anyone outside of yourself because you don't have that connection. And that that is lonely and isolating. But I also suspect that giving to others has it's own intrinsic rewards. Rewards that he just never experienced before.


This is exactly how my husband describes what he was feeling prior to the affair; lonely, isolated, and empty due to his lack of connectedness to me, or anyone as a coping strategy. His selfishness showed itself a little differently; expecting us (the family) to love activities that he loves rather than agreeing to compromise by doing some things together that he loves, and some things that I love, etc. He would just do what he wanted and if we ams with him: great, but if not, he would just go off on his own, further developing the disconnected nature of our marriage.

So far so good for us now as he sees how his behaviors and choices contributed to his own sadness and mine. We are only 6 months out though. I hope I am lucky enough for this behavior change to hold as it clearly has for you and your WS!

Congratulations; I hope you enjoy it to the fullest!!!!


BW: 44 Me
WH:48
DDay1 9-9-13 (18th Wedding Anniversary) 6 wk EA, 1 wk PA
DDay2: 10-25-13 EA/PA with same OW 12 1/2 years ago for 3 months
OW: XGF Predator who never stopped pursuing WH
DS 13
DD 11

Posts: 642 | Registered: Jan 2014 | From: New York
brokensmile322
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Default  Posted: 8:30 AM, March 20th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Wow, Catlover! What an awesome post! So happy for you. I have been doing a lot more giving lately to other people in a helping, not expecting anything in return sort of way. It really does change your psyche. Sounds like your fWH is progressing into someone you can respect! Love it!


Me BS 42 Him WS 44
OW Coworker DDay April 7, 2012
EA on a slippery slope...

When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves. ~Viktor Frankl

"When you are happy, you can forgive a great deal."


Posts: 1538 | Registered: Jun 2012
obliquestrat
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Default  Posted: 8:49 AM, March 20th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Similar story here, shorter time frame. Major, longstanding reciprocation/entitlement issues. She's way better now.


ME: BS 36 - HER: WS 33
TOGETHER: 2001 - MARRIED: 2008 - KIDS: 2 (3 and 1)
D-DAY: 1/6/2014 (accidentally discovered 3M EA which had developed into sexting, makeouts, tickets for biz trip to Disneyworld)
R, IC, MC, NC (coworker)

Posts: 109 | Registered: Jan 2014
heforgotme
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Default  Posted: 9:43 AM, March 20th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Wow. I think we are married to identical twins.

Holy cow.


D-Day 11/15/12
5 month PA
Married 20 years, 3 kids
All good is hard. All evil is easy. Dying, losing, cheating, and mediocrity is easy. Stay away from easy.
- Scott Alexander
It was the day I thought I'd never get through - Daughtry

Posts: 1083 | Registered: Feb 2013 | From: FL
catlover50
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Default  Posted: 10:03 AM, March 20th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thanks all, for your kind words.

I am realizing that selfishness can often be a coping mechanism rather than an inborn character trait. And like other unhealthy coping mechanisms people tend to cling to them as if their life depended on it. It can take a major trauma to force the person to face themselves and make the necessary changes.



Dday -9/24/2012
Reconciling

Posts: 1748 | Registered: Oct 2012 | From: northeast
Knowing
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Default  Posted: 12:19 PM, March 20th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Awww, I can so relate. And we have close DDays. My fWH has changed so much in the past year and a half. I am genuinely surprised. I didn't think he had it in him! I would not have settled for less, though!


Me: BW, Him: fWH
Together 12 years
My EA (?) 2005-2011
His STA/PA: D-day: 19/09/12
TT: 08/12/12

We are in R.


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