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And if he's trying to make this all about him then he just doesn't get it. He should care about your healing if he feels remorse. This is just self-pity. Pathetic. It's still all about him in his mind.
They use FOG - fear, obligation, and guilt to try to keep you as their doormat and under their control. Once you're aware of that, it's easier to recognize the feelings for what they are and not to let them tie you down to years or decades of misery.
Married: 11 years, no kids
The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark. -Michelangelo
"In life, unlike chess, the game continues after checkmate." - Asimov
"Be patient and tough; someday this pain will be useful to you." - Ovid
feel responsible for your partner
They use FOG - fear, obligation, and guilt to try to keep you as their doormat and under their control
It's nice to get advice from those that aren't directly connected to us. I tried to get pastoral counselling and our pastor took HIS side. Wow. I have been seeing an IC as I don't need to hear "you made a commitment before God. There's nothing He can't forgive Stronger as long as this other lady is out of the picture." What kind of advice is that? It's like telling him it was ok to cheat.
What kind of advice is that?
"Sometimes it takes a good fall to know where you really stand."
I tried to get pastoral counselling and our pastor took HIS side. ... What kind of advice is that? It's like telling him it was ok to cheat.
Change churches. Today. Go find yourself a church that will give you the bible in context instead of just picking and choosing to benefit one party and not the other.
Yes, forgiveness is important. And yes, we need to eventually forgive. But when adultery is involved, "the faithful spouse is under no obligation to take the adulterer back" (this statement is an actual quote from my own pastor, said during the sermon recently).
Think of it - even your spouse committing murder does not give you right to D. But adultery is the only biblically sanctioned reason for dissolution of marriage besides satanism in modern Christian dogma. Because it's about protecting yourself from a future of sin and pain not of your doing. So you have to be sure he has changed, and you always have the option to bolt if he cheats.
And taking him back and forgiving him in your heart are two completely different things. You can forgive him but still divorce him. I'm very close to forgiving my STBXWW now. But she hasn't changed. So I'm Ding. If she changes, there's always remarriage.
You'd be following both Matthew 6:14-15:
For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses
But also following Proverbs 5-8 (about an adulterer, in this case a woman):
Keep to a path far from her, do not go near the door of her house,
lest you lose your honor to others and your dignity to one who is cruel,
lest strangers feast on your wealth and your toil enrich the house of another.
About my STBXWW, if this doesn't describe NC and the 180, I don't know what does.
All of Proverbs is great to read when in infidelity recovery, I think.
On taking STBXWW back before she has done the work on herself first, I rather like Prov 6:24-35:
keeping you from your neighborís wife, from the smooth talk of a wayward (woman).
Do not lust in your heart after her beauty or let her captivate you with her eyes.
For a prostitute can be had for a loaf of bread, but another manís wife preys on your very life.
Can a man scoop fire into his lap without his clothes being burned?
Can a man walk on hot coals without his feet being scorched?
So is he who sleeps with another manís wife no one who touches her will go unpunished.
People do not despise a thief if he steals to satisfy his hunger when he is starving.
Yet if he is caught, he must pay sevenfold, though it costs him all the wealth of his house.
But a man who commits adultery has no sense whoever does so destroys himself.
Blows and disgrace are his lot, and his shame will never be wiped away.
You do your work, find a church and a pastor who gets it (is there a DivorceCare group in that church? They are usually better informed on these matters), and let WH work on his own stuff.
I thought wow, he must really mean it! He must really love me! He must be so sorry!
I let him move back in on a trial basis. He scammed me, smooth talked me, and was the model husband for 6 years, right up until D-day with OW#2.
At the time, I thought "what if I always regret not giving him a 2nd chance?". Now, I regret giving him that 2nd chance. I would have been so much further along in my healing, my career, everything, if I had not let him back into my life after the 1st affair.
I've been on SI for over 10 years now. The amount of re-occurrence is astounding.
You are not making a mistake. Yes, it hurts, but I'm telling you that you will be so much further along later. Don't delay your healing. Start now.
Marriages that start this way, stepping over the bodies of loved ones as the giddy couple walks down the aisle, are not likely to last.
The self pity thing- right on the mark. Think back on what he has said to you- is it "Woe is me and what I've done to my life"? or is it directed at YOU, and what he's done to YOU? Most of the time if I go back and read texts, whatever, my WH is feeling sorry for himself. And that doesn't last. When I let him back home a few months ago, within a couple weeks he was back to acting like his old self.
We are done.