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User Topic: 2nd interview panic attack......help me please...
She11ybeanz
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Default  Posted: 9:06 AM, May 29th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

So....I have a 2nd interview today over the phone at 1pm...and I did some more research on this company and back in 2006 through 2008 they had a massive layoff session. That worries me. They sold off tons of radio and television stations. Now granted, they do a lot of revenue through advertising and online streaming, etc... but selling off of assets is a HUGE indicator of going belly up. I should know....my last company did that....and hence, I was laid off and eventually so was everyone else.

I don't know if I should just go through with the interview anyway.... or cancel it. I'm having a panic attack moment where I want to cut and run. Its the same feeling I get when I think of dating!

My best friend told me if they bring up salary this time I should ask for the moon. The salary range is HUGE from 48k (about what I make now) all the way up to like 120k! I have more education and experience than the position asks for just no management experience.

I don't know what to do. I just don't want a repeat of the last experience I had......

HELP!!!!


"Sometimes your knight in shining armor ...is just a douchebag in tin foil!!"

ME - BW - 35
HIM - XWH - 39
D day: November 15th, 2009
Married: 5 Years, together 8
Divorced: December 13th, 2010
New Beginning: Piper/8-3-12


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InnerLight
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Default  Posted: 9:30 AM, May 29th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

If it's like dating than you are worried about marriage too soon.
You havnt been made an offer.You haven't said yes to the job yet.
Relax and be curious about the interview. If it seems appropriate, ask about your concerns. You are interviewing them too, so in my mind it is very appropriate.


BS, age 53, d-day 6-2-08, divorced after 17 years and 20 together. Now I am living alone in the beautiful rural property that was once the dream retreat with X. It's taking a long time to create new dreams but despite some struggles I am mostly happy.

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nutmegkitty
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Default  Posted: 9:36 AM, May 29th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

BREATHE!
You've got NOTHING to lose by doing the interview.

Good luck!


me (BS)
him (NPD Ex)
2 dds
DDay 10/7/11
OW
OC

Divorced 1/17/2013

"Diamonds aren't a girl's best friend, freedom is."


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cmego
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Default  Posted: 9:42 AM, May 29th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Ask them about the layoff and what they have done to ensure this doesn't happen again. You are in the power position and have nothing to lose during the interview.


me...BS, 43 years old, 2 small kids
WS, 41, multiple gay affairs
M 15 years, together 17
Divorced

"For whatever we lose, like a you or a me, it's always ourselves we find in the sea" ee cummings


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Williesmom
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Default  Posted: 9:49 AM, May 29th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Shelly, 2006-2008 was a rough time in the business world. If they were able to turn it around, they could be a much stronger and leaner company. Use the interview as an opportunity to show that you're interested in how they turned it around, future growth plans, initiatives, etc.

Not only are you selling yourself to them, you get to watch them sell themselves to you.

Don't sweat it. You already have a job. You can always say "no, thanks" at any point to this company.

Take a chill pill and a deep breath tomorrow. You can do this. You are awesome.


You can stuff your sorries in a sack, mister. -George Costanza
There is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women. - Madeleine Albright

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hexed
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Default  Posted: 9:51 AM, May 29th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

If it was in the 2006 -2008 time period that the selling occurred I wouldn't be too worried. However it is an EXCELLENT interview quesiton for you to ask. "Why did this happen? What changes were implemented to guard against this happening in the future?"

Relax. You're interviewing them too. Remember this is not a job you HAVE to have but it could be a great move for you. Yes, you should ask for what you think is a reasonable salary but definitely more than you are making now.


But that's just a lot of water
Underneath a bridge I burned
And there's no use in backtracking
Around corners I have turned

“Many of us crucify ourselves between two thieves - regret for the past and fear of the future.” -foulton oursler


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She11ybeanz
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Default  Posted: 10:27 AM, May 29th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I also low balled myself on the salary question in the 1st interview....I wasn't ready for giving them a number because I hadn't properly researched what that position goes for in my area..... so if I got asked again.....I'm just going to "go for it" as my best friend said. I have nothing to lose I guess!

Still VERY nervous..... its at a time that I don't usually go to lunch....but at least its just a phone interview.....yeesh....


"Sometimes your knight in shining armor ...is just a douchebag in tin foil!!"

ME - BW - 35
HIM - XWH - 39
D day: November 15th, 2009
Married: 5 Years, together 8
Divorced: December 13th, 2010
New Beginning: Piper/8-3-12


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She11ybeanz
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Default  Posted: 1:31 PM, May 29th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Okay.....mixed response to the 2nd interview....yet again.

1st off....I ROCKED IT! I rocked it so good that the lady contacted me back almost immediately for a face-to-face interview! HOWEVER....here are my issues....

1st of all: The lady that interviewed me was the Director of Finance.... based out of New York City.... and she could not answer some of my in-depth history questions about her own company....and admitted so because of her only being with the company for 7 months....okay...

2nd of all: They wanted me to do a face-to-face interview TOMORROW at 2pm. I work 8 to 5 and that is entirely TOO LITTLE notice to ask my employer if I can take a couple of hours off. Not even 24 hours! WTH!!! I can't and won't jeopardze my current position to do that!

3rd of all: I emailed her back and told her I was available next week and she replied that tomorrow was the ONLY day this one guy was available???? UM....okay.... thanks anyway?

They come across desperate. When she described my position she said that basically ANYTHING could be in my job description......oh boy. I love vague. She described it as it has morphed into including this and that and this and that....which translates into we let 4 people go and you will be doing ALL of their jobs!

I think they are expediting this process because I low-balled myself with the salary question too...and they are greedy buttheads......

I don't know....but I smell a desperate rat....

[This message edited by She11ybeanz at 1:37 PM, May 29th (Thursday)]


"Sometimes your knight in shining armor ...is just a douchebag in tin foil!!"

ME - BW - 35
HIM - XWH - 39
D day: November 15th, 2009
Married: 5 Years, together 8
Divorced: December 13th, 2010
New Beginning: Piper/8-3-12


Posts: 2724 | Registered: Feb 2010 | From: Virginia
She11ybeanz
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Default  Posted: 2:18 PM, May 29th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

So, my last email was basically, "Thank you for your consideration" since I wasn't available tomorrow to interview and inconvenience my current employer. 30 minutes later.....the lady emails me back and asks me when I'm available next week for an interview with ONE of the 2 managers and she can reschedule an interview with the other one at a later time???

I don't even know if I want to continue with the show and pony circus anymore......WTH...

If they want desperate....they need to check the unemployment line. Been there done that.


"Sometimes your knight in shining armor ...is just a douchebag in tin foil!!"

ME - BW - 35
HIM - XWH - 39
D day: November 15th, 2009
Married: 5 Years, together 8
Divorced: December 13th, 2010
New Beginning: Piper/8-3-12


Posts: 2724 | Registered: Feb 2010 | From: Virginia
Crescita
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Default  Posted: 2:29 PM, May 29th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I’m not quite understanding where you are seeing desperation. They are scheduling multiple rounds of interviews with you. So far you’ve said you rocked them both and you meet their qualifications. Is it inconceivable that you are a great candidate and they are interested in further pursuing your suitability? Why are you so concerned with being low balled when they haven't even made an offer? You are the one that suggested the salary that you find offensive. You are certainly entitled to counter offer once you get further in the process and know more about what the job entails.


“Happiness cannot be pursued; it must ensue.” ― Viktor E. Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning

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She11ybeanz
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Default  Posted: 2:37 PM, May 29th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I think what threw me off guard was that they expected me to drop everything to come out tomorrow to interview. They know I'm at work and should know that that is not enough notice for my employer. She seemed surprised when I couldn't do that. I honestly didn't think I would hear back from her when I said tomorrow wouldn't work and thank you for your consideration. Its my fault for not researching the salary of the position before the 1st interview but typically on a phone interview I am usually able to dodge that question but they insisted. After researching I barely even scathed the bottom of the barrel on what people get paid in that position.

I didn't like how she couldn't answer questions about her own company. When she described the position to me, she literally said I could be doing anything. She left it very vague. I don't mind having a lot of duties...but I don't like wide-open vague. I flat out asked her about the large amounts of lay-offs that have occurred and she studdered trying to respond. I have been the victim of a mass layoff....and don't intend on being another one. I will consider continuing the interview process but luckily, it can be on my terms if they are still interested in me.

[This message edited by She11ybeanz at 2:38 PM, May 29th (Thursday)]


"Sometimes your knight in shining armor ...is just a douchebag in tin foil!!"

ME - BW - 35
HIM - XWH - 39
D day: November 15th, 2009
Married: 5 Years, together 8
Divorced: December 13th, 2010
New Beginning: Piper/8-3-12


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Default  Posted: 2:45 PM, May 29th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER answer a salary question with a number. My go to answer for that question is "I'm sure you will offer me a competitive rate"


Me/BS 35
WW 32
M 12 yrs 2 Girls 10 & 7
Phone/Cyber Affairs (3 D-Days)
Status: DIVORCED 4/24/2014

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.


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Crescita
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Default  Posted: 2:58 PM, May 29th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I didn't like how she couldn't answer questions about her own company. When she described the position to me, she literally said I could be doing anything. She left it very vague. I don't mind having a lot of duties...but I don't like wide-open vague. I flat out asked her about the large amounts of lay-offs that have occurred and she studdered trying to respond.

Preliminary interviews are generally pretty removed from the position. They are just gathering information about you. If you meet with your direct report and the managers and they can't handle your questions that is another issue.

Save the salary concerns for HR. If they just want you because you are cheap they would hire you without wasting more time interviewing you.


“Happiness cannot be pursued; it must ensue.” ― Viktor E. Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning

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She11ybeanz
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Default  Posted: 2:59 PM, May 29th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER answer a salary question with a number. My go to answer for that question is "I'm sure you will offer me a competitive rate

I know I KNOW! I screwed up on that one. Damn it.


"Sometimes your knight in shining armor ...is just a douchebag in tin foil!!"

ME - BW - 35
HIM - XWH - 39
D day: November 15th, 2009
Married: 5 Years, together 8
Divorced: December 13th, 2010
New Beginning: Piper/8-3-12


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Default  Posted: 3:08 PM, May 29th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Keep going in the process.
1. It is good experience
2. You may get a completely different feel from the other interviewers
3. You may get a good contact out of it
4. Best case scenario, it is the perfect job at a great raise
5. Worst case scenario, you get interview experience


Me- BS
Him- FWS (I hope- F)

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hexed
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Default  Posted: 3:15 PM, May 29th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Shelly it seems like you're looking for reasons not to take this job. None of this seems unusual to me. I have definitely had a hard time scheduling interviews with people. Interviewing you isn't the only thing these people have going on with their schedules. Its often difficult to get the schedules of 3 people to line up.

It sounds like she had an open window tomorrow and was hoping you could accomodate. There is nothing wrong with that nor you saying "no, how about next week"

I would keep going through the process if it were me. However, I think its a bit rude to waste their time if you're trying to find every reason under the sun why they are horrible.

Open job descriptions aren't all that uncommon these days. Perhaps its not a good fit for you because you don't work well in that kind of environment?

If it were me I would see the opportunity to significantly increase my salary to be worth the lay off risk. You could dig yourself out of a financial hole pretty quickly and then set yourself up pretty well to be prepared for a lay off.

Its seems like normal interview stuff to me. I work remotely in a highly regulated field. It is not uncommon when I'm interviewing for a new contract to have mulitple interviews in a week. The background check often takes longer than the interview to offer process.


But that's just a lot of water
Underneath a bridge I burned
And there's no use in backtracking
Around corners I have turned

“Many of us crucify ourselves between two thieves - regret for the past and fear of the future.” -foulton oursler


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Crescita
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Default  Posted: 3:23 PM, May 29th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I know I KNOW! I screwed up on that one. Damn it.

You asked for more money than you are currently making, and there is room for advancement. If you are worth much more, the problem will quickly correct itself. You said you are more concerned with big picture and benefits, you can discuss that when an offer is on the table. For now focus on how the job will fit with your lifestyle, your overall career goals, and whether or not you like the company climate. Quit obsessing about the salary or you will be the one who comes off desperate.


“Happiness cannot be pursued; it must ensue.” ― Viktor E. Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning

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Default  Posted: 4:53 PM, May 29th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I would go to the interview when it's convenient for you, but I see red flags all over this job. The previous layoffs, their rush to fill this position, 4 recent terminations all rolled into one position? Tread carefully.

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Crescita
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Default  Posted: 5:43 PM, May 29th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I see red flags all over this job. The previous layoffs, their rush to fill this position, 4 recent terminations all rolled into one position? Tread carefully.

Ehh, the previous layoffs were during a down point in the economy 6-8 years ago. I don't know many for profit places that didn't capitalize on the opportunity to be more efficient.

They are not rushing to fill the position! She had a phone interview last week, another this week, and the manager was available to interview tomorrow, but that is being pushed back a week, with ANOTHER interview with another manager to follow.

The 4 recent terminations rolled into one position? That is a Shelly translation. Again, the layoffs were 6 years ago. While working "4 jobs" can be challenging in the long term, being able to take on a variety of duties is generally a good resume and career builder. This woman doing the screening is located in another state and was probably vague because she has little first hand experience with the job. Her purpose is to determine if candidates are articulate, and weed out any issues on either end so they don't waste the manager's time. I really don't see anything sketchy or out of the norm here.


“Happiness cannot be pursued; it must ensue.” ― Viktor E. Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning

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Default  Posted: 6:51 PM, May 29th (Thursday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Trust your gut, Shelly. This whole situation is sketchy. Why is the Director of Finance interviewing you before the managers? That makes no sense, and you know it. I used to be a finance and accounting manager. My subordinates would screen candidates and pass them to me for approval, not the other way around.

Furthermore, she's only been there for 7 months? And your job could include anything? Um, no.

And with this terrible economy, with literally hundreds of applicants for every position, they choose a person who admittedly has no management experience?

Off the top of my head, I would say they are bringing in someone to close out a division.

Again, keep going in the process, but keep your eyes wide open.


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