I watched an interview with an elderly black man and he was very soft-spoken and was very sad about the events happening in his town. He said it's an unwritten rule that people of Ferguson just know they are not allowed to be out after dark in certain areas. He said yelling and cursing by the police is considered the norm.
Changes have to be made. The way they are doing it is not working. I can't imagine not being able to take a walk after dark in my area. Can you?
I grew up in an area with no diversity. Guess what, we still had "differences".
JMHO because when I see people having these discussions and crossing lines and then drawing another (ie Mason Dixon) and those stereotypes not being challenged, it makes me a little and a touch
Praying for peace in Ferguson and across America and the world.
However, you ask why someone has to be blamed. That is because a young life is snuffed out in an instant. Something went terribly wrong. Maybe 'blame' is not the right word but a 'reason' has to be sought in hopes it won't happen again.
'Blame' requires no further action.
'Reasons' imply potential for change and the need to act. The 'reasons' for this will come out.
- drug use (?)
- aggression (?)
- poor decision-making (?)
- disrespect for others (?)
- entitlement (?)
Note that these issues could apply to either party.
So while we contemplate the issues surrounding this case, we continue with our lives, tolerating drug use, aggressive behavior, poor decision-making and in taking sides we express disrespect for others and our own entitlement (to be 'right' if nothing else).
Enlightenment is realizing that there really are no 'sides' here after all.
And this is the behavior that many adults are modeling for the youth of today. We should not be so surprised, then.
[This message edited by TrulyReconciled at 1:29 PM, August 21st (Thursday)]
JG, so if officer Wilson was attacked, what should he have done?
Not the person you asked but aren't cops trained to attempt to diffuse a situation first before using lethal force? or do these things go from 0-100 with no composure even if the person the cop is trying to detain is unarmed?
Just last week in Carondelet, St. Louis a man suspected of robbery was hiding out in someone's basement and when police showed up he assaulted both officers...and despite breaking an officers hand he's still alive(side note: the suspect in this case is white) http://www.kmov.com/news/crime/Police-Suspect-hides-in-womans-basement-assaults-officers-271009211.html
Perhaps he thought Michael Brown was just another black body -- a big, black body as he was a rather large young man
Being black myself I honestly wouldn't doubt it at this point...
One comment I will make though is
Perhaps he thought Michael Brown was just another black body
Remember Richard Jewell?
I remember a lot of incidents such as Jewel. That's because I've been on the front lines. Probably too long.
Training is necessary and I don't feel they are being trained correctly. It looks as if the unwritten code for new cops is: Shave head, practice using the F-word and work on making people experience fear.
Sadly, I agree. While I feel that there are a preponderance of good officers out there, there is a whole new breed being trained.
making people experience fear
I don't think race really matters anymore.
However, a group that chooses to sleep all day and violently riot and loot at night is both a threat to and a burden on society.
Shame on those who encourage and support this type of behavior.
Jeaniegirl put it
just shooting is NOT the answer
I just don't automatically go from 0-100 and assume racism.
Being black myself I honestly wouldn't doubt it at this point
Based on history, I don't blame you. I just hope and pray for better.
I would suggest going to the site where money is being raised for Officer Wilson and read the comments of support for him and then come back here and try to say this isn't a racial incident.
If I ran the Ferguson PD, I'd have been out recruiting black officer years ago. I'd want black & white officers to work together; I'd want white people to work with black & white cps; and I'd want black people to work with black & white cops.
Does it really make sense that only 3 qualified blacks applied for work as police officers in Ferguson? Especially if that's true, it's tremendously fishy.
Frankly, I strongly suspect police misconduct, but I have compassion for Officer Wilson (as well as the Brown family). I suspect he fell down a slippery slope, and if the sitch had been different, Michael Brown and he would both still be alive and uninjured.
But that's just tentative. I'll wait for a lot more facts before considering the case closed.
Not the person you asked but aren't cops trained to attempt to diffuse a situation first before using lethal force?
Unfortunately the rest of society does not have all of the evidence at all. So this question can be hard to answer.
Yes, police are trained in personal protection and there are levels of restraint that they have at their disposal, however, at any point in time (just like a non-uniformed regular every day person) they are well within their right to use deadly force if they feel that their life is being threatened.
We do know that Mr. Brown had just robbed a store and accosted either the clerk or patron of the store. So it wasn't like he was just walking down the street minding his own business when the officer encountered him.
We also know that they did fight and it is reported (not sure if confirmed or not) that Mr. Brown did try to get the officer's gun.
Now, if that were ME and i am not a cop, but if someone went for my gun - you bet your pretty panties that I will use deadly force after the fact. 1. if he's going for the gun, he will have the option of using it. 2. If he has that option, then you damn right i fear for my life.
We also know that he was shot from the front, and not the back - so it's obviously that he was still facing the officer.
The judges in this case seem every bit as bad as those reported on the Wilson support forum (I haven't seen them, but I don't doubt there are racists on both sides heavily invested in this case).
And all the power is on one side here - our attorney general seems to be amongst the judges. As do the popular "news" channels. If Wilson is innocent, the poor guy doesn't have a chance.
I get that history hasn't been kind. I get that there are bad cops out there. That still doesn't justify this call to lynch Wilson. If the witness accounts and the evidence support his story, he should be cleared. If they don't, he should face a trial.
This is about race. Period
Does Officer Wilson have a history of racist remarks or actions?
Agreed. Sadly, he will never be safe in that community again regardless of outcome.
I think it's time I bow out of this conversation.
if someone went for my gun ...
One of Malcolm Gladwell's books, not to mention people in other fora on this site, addressed this sort of thinking. In fact, people don't reliably predict how they'd react. In particular, I don't think it's easy for most of us to kill another human being. Nor is having a gun a guarantee that it will be used as intended.
Furthermore, training - such as one would expect for police - can teach people how to overcome their gut reactions and do something that is perhaps more effective, merciful, and/or just.
Swaggering is not a crime. We all know too many women find that strong threats aren't enough to get ex-Hs, etc. off the streets. Theft is no longer a capital crime.
Again, I continue to wait for more reliable facts. I don't know enough about what went on between Brown and Wilson.