1) robs a store
2) physically assaults a police officer
3) attempts to steal his gun
4) runs away after said gun goes off
5) refuses to freeze when officer tells you to, and instead...
6) turns around and charges the officer with a 300+ pound body
It's justifiable self defense.
Unfortunately, the media always sensationalizes these events and doesn't provide the facts. Fortunately, an audio tape was discovered of a black eyewitness who describes the situation exactly as above.
The truth will prevail, eventually, but at a tremendous cost to everybody involved. Prayers for LEO, National Guard, and all the law-abiding citizens of Ferguson.
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That said, I too wonder if there wasn't a less lethal alternative.
I have a hard time reconciling that with the fact that Michael Brown was 30 feet from the squad car and still unarmed when he was killed, that there was no powder residue found on him, that the fatal shot seems to have entered the back of his head and exited through his eye...
Stay strong and safe.
the fatal shot seems to have entered the back of his head and exited through his eye...
I have yet to see anything that supports that and I am following this matter keenly out of professional as well as personal interest - I work in criminal defense. Every report I've seen on the public and private autopsies indicates that all six rounds were to the young man's front.
I agree that the round which entered through the apex of his skull could be consistent with somebody either surrendering with arms in the air and bowing their head or charging head down and with arms outstretched.
As to the lack of gunshot residue on the body, that is not in itself conclusive of anything. A test on the young man's clothes would we far more probative.
There is a lot of information out there which is somewhat ambiguous. As to eyewitness testimony, that's not always reliable either, and I can tell you that our office has literally dozens of former clients at liberty today because we showed that the eye-witness was not as reliable as originally thought.
For the record, I'm not originally from the US and I have zero cultural or political bias either way here. A young man has been killed, either with or without lawful justification. I want to see the right outcome based on the evidence. People are right to be angry - there are certainly some very hard questions to be answered here by the police - but the looting and rioting is overshadowing and tragically minimizing the very real message which the protestors are trying to get across.
I hope that cooler heads prevail and that the right outcome is achieved for all the decent people of Ferguson, MI.
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At this stage, I'm pretty much bulletproof.
You can't lie about ballistics. They will be definitive.
Ballistics do not lie, you are correct. However, people do. And it takes a ballistics expert to complete the examination, release it to another person, and another person to release that report to the press.
I won't go too deeply into how I know, but I have had some close ties with law enforcement officers in my past. Their entire culture revolves around covering for "their own".
Again another night of chaos, where the police were basically there to end things when they become violent.
I can say as someone who is close to the phenomena of everyone in St. Louis knowing another, that there has been horrible misrepresentation as to what actually happened, and poor leadership to quiet the concerns from the minute it happened. This officer who chose his career to Protect and Serve, had to make a choice in a split second when a 6'4" 300 plus pound man was charging at him. Who didn't stop when told to, and didn't stop when shots were not center mass. This man has a life outside of work, a family, and loved ones who all now have forever had their lives altered just as the family of the young man.
The kids in that community have had to see a delay in the beginning of their school year, now not for a day or two, but nearly 2 weeks, and that's if things calm down.
The community of Ferguson, and surrounding areas is a mixed, and has done so much to make it a nice place that people want to live. I even worked in this area as a teen. Now to witness bad guys coming in and creating this image that will stick with the rest of the world forever just makes me sad.
The Criminals that are running around with guns, and looting, and starting fires, and throwing rocks, and Moltav Cocktails of police, they do not live there. Those are thugs that have come from even places outside of St. Louis, some as far as Memphis according to the few arrests that have been made.
It needs to end, and it needs to end soon. The LEO's have been doing this all night every night for a week now. They are exhausted, emotionally drained, and feel they have little support from their leaders, and the community. This is when mistakes are made and I fear truly tragic events will unfold.
Peace to Ferguson.
edited by me to remove political content. My apologies.
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I know they asked yesterday that the protesters leave at dark, and clear the streets so that it is easier for the LEO's to actually protect the community. I do believe that they have stated the curfew will be reinstated tonight.
Poor leadership by our Governor is just one of the failures in this mess. There is a fine line between allowing people to be heard, and keeping things under control.
oh and his hands were up. Let's not forget that. I'm having a hard time reconciling it myself.
It's physically not possible. Bend over at the waist so that your head is pointed horizontally and then raise your hands over your head. I can't do that - maybe someone else (double-jointed?) can. Especially with four bullet wounds in one arm.
that the fatal shot seems to have entered the back of his head and exited through his eye.
That's a misreading of the autopsy results. He wasn't shot in the back of the head. The round you refer to entered the top of his forehead and exited through the eye then re-entered his cheek and chest, confirming the head held horizontally.
There are more than a dozen eyewitnesses who confirm this version of events (LEO version). If the LEO version is correct, there will be smokeless powder residue on the baseball cap.
Now, DOJ is bringing 40-50 FBI agents to town to investigate the situation for possible federal civil rights violations (unprecedented). Let's see what they come up with - hopefully the truth, since lying to the FBI is a federal crime.
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Our country still has a long way to go to end racism and I feel calling out the national guard and having them in riot gear with weapons aimed at citizens certainly perpetuates the situation in a negative way. History shows us that did NOT work with school segregation and trying to force citizens to ride at the back of the bus. It's like we haven't learned anything. And it's sad.
The media doesn't have to point out anything about racism to me. I live, eat, breathe and see it daily.
Then let's address the real solutions, not just blaming police (and putting a photo of Officer Wilson's house on national TV, for instance):
- more community involvement in police interaction with the community
- better racial integration of PDs relative to the community
- police procedures commensurate with actual crimes *
- work to keep kids away from drugs
- work to keep kids away from gangs
- teach kids respect for the rule of law
- keep children from giving birth to children
- work to keep families together, specifically keep fathers from leaving
- help find male role models where fathers are not present
* Ferguson statistics show a disproportionate focus on black stops vs. non-black stops - that's a given
The media isn't really addressing these issues. As a society, however, we need to do it.