...a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com.
This source may be honest and accurate, but since the source is close to the brass, I think we need to reserve judgment.
If someone in your life talked the way the Ferguson people do, with the same affect and choice of words, would you believe her/him?
Newspapers used to look for confirmation of events from 2 independent sources. Cub reporters working for one Chicago news organization were taught, 'If your mother says she loves you, check it out.'
I'm NOT saying the report is untrue. I'm just saying I want to hear from multiple witnesses, some of whom, I hope, don't have as much to gain from this report as Ferguson's top police brass do.
[This message edited by sisoon at 4:34 PM, August 20th (Wednesday)]
UPDATE: Fox News Reports...
I would just like to say that so far none of the sources for those claims have been provided by Fox so we're still at square one.
Frankly at a later date, once all the facts come out, you can do your evaluation in hindsight and I'm confident that we will all see that their coverage has been by far the most accurate and unbiased.
Some of the behavior of other news outlets has been nothing less than shameful. Ask a 'local' (tushnurse) but my impression is that most of the media is exacerbating the situation.
One of the most ignorant reporters (Huffpost) actually picked up foam earplugs off the ground and reported that he discovered "rubber bullets."
[This message edited by TrulyReconciled at 4:57 PM, August 20th (Wednesday)]
That being said, I can say with factual certainty a few things that have not necessarily been made public knowledge.
1. The Officer who shot the young man did sustain significant and real injuries to his face. A fractured orbit is painful, and will effect your vision.
2. The kid who initially stated the Officer shot him in the back while he was running away has recanted his statement, and is also wanted for robbery in another Missouri town.
3. The FBI's 40 officers that were sent to "canvas" the neighborhood have obtained many statements (more than a dozen) that back up the statement that Michael attacked the officer once, then bum rushed him a second time.
These facts are true, I know.
I hope there is quick resolution, and peace returns, I fear however the outcome will be very ugly when the officer is cleared of all wrong doing.
The reports of the officer being injured seem to have no proof behind them at this time. I watched the video taken by a young woman living in a second floor apartment on the street where the shooting happened. The police confiscated her cell phone but the video has now been released. "Officer" Wilson seemed fine, walking around the uncovered dead body, showing absolutely no blood or injuries on his person.
Watching the video of the second shooting of the mentally ill man two days after the Michael Brown murder, the police "facts" on that shooting now seem very false as he was not lunging towards the officers.
Let us all hope something positive comes out of this.
This is a strange thread for me to read. I live approx 15 minutes from Ferguson. The other police shooting named here was in a different municipality, different police dept. It had zero to do with the Michael Brown shooting. St. Louis is one of the nation's most dangerous cities. We have a LOT of crime and murder here. Let's just say that can lead to distrust on both sides...between citizens and LEOs.
We are having wall to wall coverage here. I think there are three sides to every story. And to have so many rumors flying, before official reports have been presented, does not seem to me to help. I mean. AFTER the reports of the investigations are made, there may be disagreements. But it seems odd that people are already sure that they disagree with whatever findings will be made.
I don't believe the protests are helpful at all when they have been hijacked by out of town political and "religious" groups that have come to promote their own agendas and get in the way of allowing the voice of the people who LIVE here to be heard.
I hope I don't get pounded on my comments. I don't claim to know anything as a complete fact here. Who knows how much truth will come out? I do hope justice is served.
But mostly I hope that a grieving family finds peace, and a frustrated city can get their, well, city back.
I don't believe the protests are helpful at all when they have been hijacked by out of town political and "religious" groups that have come to promote their own agendas and get in the way of allowing the voice of the people who LIVE here to be heard
Last night was fairly peaceful, and I hope this trend continues. It was made abundantly clear yesterday that it is going to take the Grand Jury more than a month to reach any determination if there is a case, and if criminal charges will be made. So hopefully those out of towners will go home for a while. These poor kids who depend on their schools for 2 meals a day, are having to have all kinds of special support to get food, and some sense of normalcy.
No police officer should put themselves in the role of judge, jury and executioner and that is exactly what this police officer has done. Yet instead of being arrested, huge sums of money is being collected for him like he's being rewarded for his deadly actions.
Everyone has the right to their own opinions and these are mine.
Everyone has the right to their own opinions and these are mine.
You say that there is no problem with hiring discrimination in the PD and there are just not enough black people to hire.
You say that the protestors are outsiders and agitators and that everyone in St. Louis County knows each other.
It sounds to me like this whole thing is just one big misunderstanding and everything is great in Ferguson. So how did the portrayal of the reality there get so skewed, in your opinion?
[This message edited by determinata at 10:41 AM, August 21st (Thursday)]
6 years of TT, hidden STD & false R
Separated 5 mos+; he will not commit
Someday I will be okay
The city of Ferguson is about 60% African American. There are 3 officers for this municipality that are African American, however there are also records that show there are NO African American descent applicants for the jobs. You can't level the field if there are no people willing to do the job.
Secondly. The poorly behaving officer that you referenced is NOT a Ferguson Officer. He is from another township. He acted poorly and was immediately placed on Unpaid leave, and will most likely loose his job. However just prior to his words and actions, he had been hit with a bottle of urine, and saw a weapon, a gun, in the chaos of the crowd. Later determined to be a BB gun.
Seems to me the citizens of Ferguson all need to register to vote so their voices can be louder.
As for the Rambo cop threatening to f-ing shoot unarmed protesters, it doesn't really matter WHERE he is from, he was there representing Ferguson police and wanting to KILL someone. That video is sickening.
Yes, I am passionate about this issues as I am all issues of injustice. As an attorney and therefore an officer of the court, you would have no idea how many cases I have seen and dealt with like this.
Over $121,000 has been raised as a reward for Officer Wilson. Know what might change my mind about him at this point? If he would refuse the funds and offer it up towards building a community center where people of all color can come together as a real group of citizens, working towards change in Ferguson. I won't hold my breath though.
[This message edited by Jeaniegirl at 11:45 AM, August 21st (Thursday)]
Was Michael Brown a 'gentle giant,' harmless, misunderstood typical young black man brutally murdered on the street by a racist cop?
Was Michael Brown a drugged-up young black thug who robbed a store, threatened the owner, tried to steal a cop's gun and then charged at him, provoking a justifiable response? Did drug use play a role here?
We have photos of him looking pretty cherubic and also some of him flashing Bloods signs and the finger.
No matter what lens you see through, there HAS to be an objective reality. People may often say "we want justice" but in fact what they really mean is "we want what WE consider to be just." We're not talking about 'social justice' here - once a crime has been committed it's criminal justice. 'Social justice,' by definition, will have to be worked out in a different venue, in our communities, not within our criminal court system.
True justice, in order to prevail, cannot wear those lenses. That's what voir dire in our jury system is all about - the facts and the law. Justice, in fact, is depicted historically not only without lenses, but without even the distraction of vision:
Now we're collectively not naive enough to believe that this always happens, especially considering our many charged issues such as race, economic status and gender discrimination. Our stereotypes. However, objective justice remains our ideal.
So do you really want justice? Or do you want your own version of justice? Are you superimposing your version of "social justice in our country" over the criminal justice for those involved in this case? Does that even make sense?
When the true facts come out, to the extent that they can be known, will you have to 'walk back' your own conclusions? Will you have the moral courage to do that no matter which 'side' you come down on? Can you distinguish the difference between your own story of 'white vs. black culture' from the issues in the specifics of this incident?
And finally, where do we lay blame? Even, WHY do we lay blame? Does someone need to take blame for this ... or are we ALL a little bit to blame? Is blame entirely divisible between Mr. Brown and Officer Wilson? Would society benefit from us all contemplating how we contribute to this being reality in America today?
Would things get better if we all took more personal responsibility instead of laying collective blame? What would that look like? How can a community take responsibility as well as individuals? Doesn't blame ... keep us from talking to each other? We can disagree ... but we still need to listen to each other.
Or will this divide us even further?
[This message edited by TrulyReconciled at 1:27 PM, August 21st (Thursday)]
I understand self-defense. It's very legitimate. I am also not soft on crime and know we have to have law enforcement. I believe in citizens having the right to protect themselves. Recently a man tried to take a woman's car away from her in a grocery store parking lot near me. She refused to be a victim and fought with him and two other women came to her aid. They really gave that guy his come-uppance and to top it off, one woman had a set of handcuffs and they made a 'citizen's arrest.' People have the right to feel safe. People also have the right to walk down the streets in their community without being told to 'go home' and called 'f-inging animals' by the police. After a while this wears on people and they fight back. It's human nature.
We shouldn't be fearful of calling the police when we need help, but it's coming to that.
[This message edited by Jeaniegirl at 1:03 PM, August 21st (Thursday)]