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User Topic: He thinks I'm doing it to punish him (WS welcome)
Lark
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Default  Posted: 3:31 PM, August 19th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

We are about 2.5 months out from dday. I'd say our weeks are about evenly split of 3 "normal"ish days, 2 "sad" days, and 2 days where I just am so angry and fuming.

When I am fuming, my husband now thinks I am doing it just to "punish" him. He got this idea from his IC, who asked him if he thinks I rage at him to "punish him." He agrees with this. And so when I'm angry at him, he sits and "takes it" because it's his "punishment."

I find it to be complete bullshit and just a copout of having to empathize with the pain. If he casts it as "punishment" then it's just me using it as a tool to take out on him. And he doesn't have to listen, empathize, or even say a word because his role is to just "take it." It's bullshit, and it just infuriates me that he invalidates my feelings in just a simple swipe.

So what started today -
Our daughter started her swim lessons yesterday, and they are in the same area of the city - like 1 street over - from where my husband would drive aroudn with OW2 looking for a secluded place to have sex. Last year, during my daughter's swim lessons, my husband was emailing OW1 trying to build things up between them. The emails read "at my daughter's swim lessons. Missing you" type stuff.

Swim lessons and that location are hard. So the combination of that sucks.

Plus well, that he had an affair. Twice.

Yesterday I had a hard day and tried talking to him about it. he stopped talking and went into the "Just taking it" mode where he just doesn't say anything. So that turns my hurt into anger that he doesn't seem to "get it."

I asked him why, on one of the days, he got canceled at work and he chose to spend the day with her instead of us. his response was "it was just something to do." This was very hurtful to me so I left for an hour walk.

I came home and he was still in defensive/angry mode, so Ijust stopped talking. we sat there not saying a word for about an hour before I went to bed. I just felt empty

This morning, he said he was sorry I'm hurt. I was very upset and crying and angry and was just overflowing with emotion in general. I told him it was insulting to me that even on "couple" days like our anniversary and valentine's day, he was talking to her more than he was talking to me - via text, via calls. We'd had an argument on our anniversary because he got angry at me over something stupid and did his usual "oh yes, you're always right, whatever you say is right so I'll shut up" and then ignored me all night. He ignored me - while texting OW1 all night.

Anyway, in my upset, I asked him why did he even bother staying home on our anniversary, when he spent it ignoring me and texting her? Why not just go out with her?

Yeah it was a loaded question, but I was so upset and angry and just everything. Why stay home any night if he just ignored us? It hurts me to ask that, but I also genuinely want ot know - why was he with us at all?

he'd not said anything up to this point, and at this point he got up and said he was taking our kids for the day and "you can punish me later."

I told him he was not going to be taking our kids anywhere, and no, I wasn't "punishing" him. I was upset. And leaving me alone while he takes my kids isn't going to help anything. He started yelling at me that yes all I do is punish him. I keep saying the same things over again just to punish him.

And then he slammed the door and left


Unfortunately he has our daughter's carseat so me and the kids are stranded today. He's been gone for 5 hours now. No texts, no calls. I'm not messaging him but unfortunately our daughter will miss her swim lessons if he doesn't bring her carseat.

he did call his mom for 30 minutes though, because she's way more worthwhile than me to talk about the A and our M and me and everything. I just got the silent treatment before his outburst that I was punishing him.

[This message edited by Lark at 3:32 PM, August 19th (Tuesday)]


“It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.” - Dumbledore

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Sunrising
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Default  Posted: 3:44 PM, August 19th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

He is in victim mode if he sys you are punishing him. He sees you as the perpetrator (which you are not)
Read Karpman drama triangle or google it.
Sounds like he is still somewhat unremorseful and has his head stuck up his butt somewhat.
Your still so fresh out from DDay, 21/2 months is nothing in this journey
He really needs to step up
Has he read " how to help your spouse heal from your affair" it's a very short book about 90 pages and may help him not be so victimy after reading it and help wake him up,to reality of what he's actually done
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Default  Posted: 3:48 PM, August 19th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

. And so when I'm angry at him, he sits and "takes it" because it's his "punishment."

We'd had an argument on our anniversary because he got angry at me over something stupid and did his usual "oh yes, you're always right, whatever you say is right so I'll shut up" and then ignored me all night. He ignored me - while texting OW1 all night.

he'd not said anything up to this point, and at this point he got up and said he was taking our kids for the day and "you can punish me later."

Unfortunately he has our daughter's carseat so me and the kids are stranded today. He's been gone for 5 hours now. No texts, no calls. I'm not messaging him but unfortunately our daughter will miss her swim lessons if he doesn't bring her carseat.

I chose these quotes because they seem to show a real pattern of passive aggressive behavior. I'm not sure if that would describe him, but based on this it really does look that way.


me: BH 35
Her: WW 28

Married 4 years. Dating 8. Living together 7.

If a man took his time on earth
to prove be for he died
what on man's life could be worth
I wonder what would happen to the world

- Harry Chapin


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outtamymind
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Default  Posted: 3:52 PM, August 19th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I don't normally visit the Reconciliation forum because I'm not in reconciliation. But, I saw the WS welcome mat, and decided to respond.

Your WS is not remorseful. You are absolutely not doing anything to punish him. And, for his IC to suggest this sounds like he's either lying about that or his IC is a waste of money. I'm banking on he's lying about it. I can't believe an IC would suggest such a thing. But I guess ya never know.

I think he's trying to make you feel crazy.

Can you borrow someone's carseat?

Maybe you can convince him to come talk to us in the Wayward section. Let him tell us his side of the story.


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painfulpast
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Default  Posted: 4:13 PM, August 19th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I hate when i see a WS claiming the BS is 'punishing' them. HATE IT!!

So we're not hurt, confused, angry, terrified that it's still happening, or that we don't know everything, or that they're with us for some reason other than love, or that they're thinking of AP. No, we aren't shattered from the inside out, our world's not ripped to shreds right under our feet. Hell, we aren't even upset. We just feel the WS needs punishment.

It's completely selfish BULLSHIT. Every time you lash out, ask a 'loaded' question, cry, repeat yourself trying to understand, feel alone, don't want to touch WS or any other thing that's different since finding out your WS cheated is a punishment for them.

It makes me want to puke.

I'd start a 180. He wants to think it's all about him? Fine. Let it be - but only from him. You do your thing.

I'd also ask to attend one of these IC appointments and demand an explanation regarding this 'punishment'. It seems the IC is all about your WS too, and has no clue about infidelity. If that's the case, maybe a new IC is in order.


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but I cannot survive the roses from my friends

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rachelc
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Default  Posted: 4:41 PM, August 19th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I am a WS. It will never be punishing for me to talk about it. If it is that means shame is still attached to it and shame is still self involvement.
Not much room for that in recovery.


his Dday: 2/10 but TT until 7/11
my Ddays: 1/12, 4/12 broken NC 12/12

me (WW/BS): 48
him: (BS/WH)52
4 kiddos in mid 20's

“Follow your intuition. Be smart, be brave. Tell the truth and don’t take any shit.”


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whattheh
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Default  Posted: 4:46 PM, August 19th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

This is one huge reason I didn't even consider counselling. Too many inexperienced counselors can set the wrong tone and give the wrong direction for the WS.

His counselor endorsed victim status is not helping you or your M as you know firsthand.

He needs to answer your questions even if you don't like the answers. You both need to hear him say it and he will gain by participating in your healing instead of sitting like a lump on a log or running away to play with ur kids so he can avoid you. he sounds passive aggressive to be pulling this type of stuff. Conflict avoidant much?

[This message edited by whattheh at 4:48 PM, August 19th (Tuesday)]


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fWH-late 50's
M 33 T 35
DD-Early 2013 PA 2010
In R but I have PTSD...

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confused615
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Default  Posted: 4:49 PM, August 19th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

So he just left, it's been 5 hours, and he hasn't even bothered to send a text?

At 2 months post dday this is absolutely unacceptable behavior from a WS. Shit, he already abandoned you, the kids, and the marriage when he had an affair(s). To do walk out like that is shitty, disrespectful, unremorseful, and a whole lot of other things I can't say because this is the R forum.

He doesn't get it. At all.

Are you sure his IC told him you are punishing him, or is this something he has come up with to try and shut you up? If his IC really said that, then he needs a new IC. This one isn't qualified.

You need to 180 his ass.

Find your bitch boots. Don't allow him to disrespect you again..not one more time.

[This message edited by confused615 at 4:50 PM, August 19th (Tuesday)]


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FWH 45
4 kids
M: June 2001
D-Day: 8/10/10
Status: Reconciling?

..that feeling you get in your stomach, when you heart's broken. It's like all the butterflies just died.


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sisoon
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Default  Posted: 5:00 PM, August 19th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

All true, but possibly supported by his IC.

If your H is reporting his IC's position accurately, my guess his IC is either inexperienced or a WS, and apparently not involved enough to do any research in the area of recovering from infidelity.

An experienced IC knows this sort of trauma takes far longer than 2.5 months to recover from...um, maybe 2-5 years (although Shirley Glass says someone could recover in as little as one year.

Also, if your H is interpreting the IC accurately, this IC seems to think his duty to his client is to make his life easier by avoiding issues. He's go it wrong - C makes clients' lives easier by resolving issue, not by burying them.

But your H may be entirely misunderstanding his IC. He wouldn't be the first client to do so.

Any possibility of a joint session? It could be enlightening and very beneficial. Just sayin'....


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DDay - 12/2010
Recovered, not yet fully R'ed
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Lark
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Default  Posted: 10:30 PM, August 19th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

he came home a minute after I posted this

he is passive aggressive. This has always been his "arguing" style. He worked hard at it the first couple years we were together, but lately he's gotten back in the same very-passive aggressive nonsense.

He *seems* remorseful when I'm normal, sad, or seeming empty. He's done everything I ask, he comforts, he asks questions, he talks. He isn't great at knowing what to say when I'm sad or at any of those times, but usually he seems remorseful.

When I'm angry though - he follows the same pattern every time. First it's quiet, then defensive, then he gets angry at me, and he has ended several of them with vague threats that if it seems this way 9 months from now, he doesn't see how this will continue.

He doesn't normally have the carseat - i put it in his car last night when we left for ice cream. So I don't think that itself was a passive aggressive move - though it was definitely being a jerk when he realized he had it and didn't come home.

I do not think he went to either of OW - he shucked them out without a moments hesitation when I found out, so I don't know. He seemed glad to be done. So I do not think that's where he went. He said he drove up the coast. He was on the phone with his mom at least 2x while gone, so I doubt he was with OW at the time. So I do not think that's where he went

Either which way, obviously a complete lack of respect to not even call.

I *think* what his IC meant - well, at least from the first night he said it, was asking as a point of reflection for my husband to think about why HE gets so defensive. Like a "do you get defensive because you think she is punishing you?" Except I do not know if that's exactly what she said. But that's the only thing I can think of that would make sense in IC.

---

So he got home about a minute after I posted.

he came home and sat next to me, without saying a word, then says 'well? do you want to talk?"

I starting fuming as soon as he came through the door so started it with asking him why he ignored me all morning but felt comfortable talking with his mom.

His response was "oh, so you're going to start like that? fine I'm leaving."

I asked why he didn't text me. He asked why I didn't text him, why didn't I reach out?

wtf

Obviously the conversation turned completely destructive after that. 5 hours gone and he wasn't apologetic, nothing. He started raging, said the way I punish him and lash out at him and "throw things in my face" is not helping us rebuild. That I don't seem to care about his feelings at all.

He punched a hole in the wall. Then said he was getting his stuff and leaving.

I told him I wasn't going to speak to him while he raged.

He eventually calmed down enough to talk - but the damage was done. i told him if he left, fine, but that's my line. He pulled that shit with his ex and it's his running-away tactic of not having to deal with stuff. I wont' yo-yo with him, and I won't do that to my kids. If he wants to leave, there's the door, goodbye. But I won't do any trial separation or "just separate for a couple days." He can go for a walk, a drive, I don't care. But if he decides he's leaving, then he's gone.

He told me I was threatening him. I told him not a threat, that's my line. Take it or leave it, I don't care.

he tried to apologize and swears he will try to fix this, etc etc etc.

The damage is done though. His actions, his affairs, his lies, his betrayals have completely devastated me. And the only way forward was to have to put some sort of level of trust that he (a) wants to work it out and (b) is done with the affairs.

Of any progress we made, he shattered when he threatened to leave me because I'm not "helping us rebuild."

I feel like if nothing else, we are at square one. But now that he's pulled that threat out of his pocket - am I just waiting for him to do it again? waiting for him to get in a rage?

And why the fuck is he raging at me anyway? Why all the rage towards me? What the fuck did *I* do?



“It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.” - Dumbledore

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Lark
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Default  Posted: 10:35 PM, August 19th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

he's read How to Help Your Spouse heal 4x
obviously he needs to reread it. It completely changed his communication after he read it, but I think he has either forgotten or he thinks this is a somehow short-fix thing of "read this, all fixed, all better."


“It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.” - Dumbledore

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Lark
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Default  Posted: 10:44 PM, August 19th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I will add that when he told me I don't care about his feelings, I told him that was bullshit. He told me that I don't care how I make him feel at all.

I told him to go call OW1, who will give a shit. That's what she was good for, right? I'm not walking on eggshells validating his fucking feelings.

He told me "fuck you"

So that'll go into my "worst thing you've done" list on the forum.



“It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.” - Dumbledore

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Default  Posted: 10:46 PM, August 19th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

It sounds almost sounds like a temper tantrum to me. Like if he throws a big enough fit he'll get his way. And if that doesn't work "Fine I'm taking my marbles and going home *away" Honestly he is the one who is damaging your healing. Passive-aggression, punching holes in walls, threatening to leave are all damaging and childish.

He really needs to hear that in no uncertain terms and you need to make it clear that you won't tolerate that kind of behavior. All of this is about the route of his brokenness. No one can heal while he acts this way.

I *think* what his IC meant - well, at least from the first night he said it, was asking as a point of reflection for my husband to think about why HE gets so defensive. Like a "do you get defensive because you think she is punishing you?" Except I do not know if that's exactly what she said. But that's the only thing I can think of that would make sense in IC.

That was my first thought too, but I didn't want to say it because I don't know.


me: BH 35
Her: WW 28

Married 4 years. Dating 8. Living together 7.

If a man took his time on earth
to prove be for he died
what on man's life could be worth
I wonder what would happen to the world

- Harry Chapin


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Default  Posted: 11:16 PM, August 19th (Tuesday), 2014View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I'm about as far out as you are right now. I can really relate to the frustration of a WS who's only willing to work towards R if it's on THEIR terms, which is what your WH seems to be doing.

I get so angry when my WH accuses me of "taking shots" at him or "throwing things in his face" any time I mention anything about his affair. It doesn't matter when, where, or how I try bring it up to him, because he invariably gets defensive and angry. I think about his affair nonstop, so it's not like I ever get a break from those thoughts - why is it so difficult for him to tolerate even the shortest of conversations about it? It feels incredibly unfair for HIM to be the one setting limits on what I can and can't talk about.

Framing all of this as "punishment" is a total copout on your WH's part. As long as he thinks of himself as being punished, he's free to bide his time and wait things out like a kid in detention. I hope he realizes that he actually needs to participate in this process if he has any hope of real R with you.

[This message edited by Trying297 at 11:17 PM, August 19th (Tuesday)]


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Married for 2 years.
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Trying to reconcile, but I'm doing more than my fair share of the work.

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BtraydWife
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Your wh makes me want to lose my cool on him. He is doing everything wrong. Don't cave in to his ridiculous behavior.

I think I'd just straight up ask him to leave. He is a danger to you and your children because he's unstable. I wouldn't have time for any of that crap.

Go back and tell him you made up his mind for him and you want him to leave now. He's jacking up your kids stuff, your house. What's next? Doesn't matter, you aren't interested in finding out. He needs to go.


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Him-WH
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TT for 6 months
Unremorseful for 3.5 years

Delay is the deadliest form of denial. - C. Northcote Parkinson

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Lark
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we had a really long discussion tonight. his rage seems to be stemming from a safe-hatred, hopelessness, and feelings of worthlessness.

Of course, totally inexcusable that he's directing this at me.

obviously this goes way deeper than the A, he's already arranged to see his IC, will be rereading How to Help Your Spouse Heal

He's also coming to SI to read. He's unsure if he'll post.


“It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.” - Dumbledore

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Lark - Honey I'm going to say this as gently as I can (which isn't usually very gentle).
Your H doesn't get it. He is NOT remorseful. He is regretful, he regrets getting caught, and he may even regret having the A, however his little Mantrum, and calling mommy show that he has ABSOLUTELY NO intention of owning his crap.

He had ZERO consequences for his actions, and continues to have zero consequences. Now that he is calm and had a chance to regroup you need to sit him down, and lay down the law, with full intention of follow through. I would suggest the following.
1. He doesn't go to Mommy with concerns about his M. He comes to you. This is inexcusable.
2. No MORE threating to leave. If he does it it again you will pack his bags. Threats are meant to intimidate and get you to back down, and it worked to a certain degree.
3. No more acts of violence. Punching a wall? Really what is he 15? That falls into intimidation tactics, and you do NOT need or should you tolerate it.

It doesn't matter if he reads a book a thousand times, if he doesn't get it, and doesn't want to, it's not going to matter.
I would also call Mommy dearest and ask her to help you both by disengaging him when he contacts her, just ask that she tell him, this isn't my place call your wife.

He is scared, and he is attempting to control the situation, and until he realizes and accepts that his actions led to him no longer having control of your choices he isn't going to become remorseful.

I would also suggest that you attend IC with him, and get a feel for what he meant, when he said you are punishing him. He is either incompetent or your H is manipulating his words to his benefit.

I also want you to know that it is normal to stumble and fumble a bit at the beginning of R, so do not lose hope, but know that you need to demand the respect you deserve, anything less is sending him a message that it's ok to not do what he should be.

((((and strength))))


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Kids: 15 & 17
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Lark
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It is hard bc now that he's coming to SI I dont want to say too much

So far I dont know what else to do in terms of demanding he do things. So far, he has changed jobs, sold his truck, read the books, established a support base of people I told him to tell so he could call on them if he was losing control, hes in IC. He's in MC. Most of the time he SEEMs remorseful but then days like yesterday I dont think he gets it. He knows if he threatens to leave again, I will show him the door and it will be locked behind him. He is sleeping in a separate room, but I do not want a yoyo of him living separately. For stability reasons and bc he's a nurse and our youngest has a seizure disorder. I can take care of the kids myself, but I won't separate until we're done. One bout of instability rather than months

I'm trying to disengage because my anger just makes him turn more into himself. I figure thats beyond my control and I will focus on me. He'll either get it oe not, but I can't make him.

[This message edited by Lark at 1:04 PM, August 20th (Wednesday)]


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I'm trying to disengage because my anger just makes him turn more into himself.

Careful with that your anger doesn't make him do anything. We are all accountable for our own actions. Your anger may make him feel bad, but his actions are all his own.


me: BH 35
Her: WW 28

Married 4 years. Dating 8. Living together 7.

If a man took his time on earth
to prove be for he died
what on man's life could be worth
I wonder what would happen to the world

- Harry Chapin


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Maybe this is terrible but there are times when I do want to "punish" WH. There are times when I feel so shitty about it that I want him to feel like crap right along with me. I want him to feel as guilty as I feel hurt. I want him to dwell in this world if misery as much as I have to. I want it on his mind as much as it's on mine.

It's not often but this does happen and when I begin to come around, I feel like I was actually trying to "punish" him. Yeah, it's probably not healthy. And it's probably better to take a breath and say something constructive. But sometimes I want him to hurt like I hurt. I know, it's awful and selfish. Thankfully this mood doesn't occur to often....


Me: BW 35
Him: WH 44
DS: age 11
Dday 1 10/2010: Sexual OA (Internet, exgf)
Dday 2 6/22/2014: Sexual OA/EA w same exgf since 10/2010
DDay 3 6/23/2014: actually PA w/ same OW beginning 5/2011
8/23/2014 attempted to break NC

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