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Candyman66 posted 1/3/2018 00:14 AM

Well Cannabis went legal for recreational purposes on the first in California. I haven't bought any yet but I will.

I know that there is a debate about the effects of pot on people but as basically a lifelong user I have seen few bad effects. It is a personal experience and affects people differently.

I think the criminal aspect of the laws were draconian and TOTALLY out of balance with any "harmful behavior". Drunks are sometimes extremely violent. When was the last time anybody heard of a stoner starting a fight? The 3 things stoners want to do are #1 eat #2 sleep and for me it was ALWAYS sex weed. The ONLY cases where pot was found to be the cause of death was when they got shot while being arrested!

Yes sometimes people do STUPID things when stoned but those same people do STUPID things when they are sober too. It's called the darwinian theory of life "If you are too stupid to live, you probably won't.

PlanC posted 1/3/2018 00:40 AM

I am a hardcore libertarian, and agree completely with the basis for legalization. The government should not regulate morality (although I favor individuals enforcing moral norms through shaming and praise).

[This message edited by PlanC at 6:37 AM, January 3rd (Wednesday)]

WhatsRight posted 1/3/2018 03:33 AM

When my son smokes weed, he becomes extremely angry, hits trees and breaks his hands, and threatens the life of himself, and his family...including me.

Also, 2 of my sons began their extended drug use with weed.

I respect everyone's right to their own opinion and use of whatever substance, but to make a blanket statement about little or no down sides to weed is either misleading or naive.

Notthevictem posted 1/3/2018 06:02 AM

The ONLY cases where pot was found to be the cause of death was when they got shot while being arrested!

Not true. There's a reason dui's exist. Look into the statistics for Marijuana induced car accidents. Think washington state got the worst of it.

Your states auto insurance rates are probably going way up.

shiloe posted 1/3/2018 06:25 AM

for me it was ALWAYS sex weed.

I'm kinda of nave, what is sex weed, lol?

DrJekyll posted 1/3/2018 06:39 AM

As a constitutionalist I think the government should not be regulating drugs. Regardless of the side effects. It isn't the government job to stop us. It is literally our human right to destroy ourselves.

And as far as sex weed. Some people get horny when smoking weed.

Dr. J

Bobbi_sue posted 1/3/2018 06:50 AM

I think we have way too many legalized drugs and people ought to learn to enjoy life without the help of such substances.

I don't have any real opinion on pot, specifically and I don't lose sleep because it is moving toward legalization everywhere. For the most part I agree it is not likely WORSE than alcohol, but I'm not so sure it is better, either. Surely it impairs judgement and people drive while using, and yes, I'm sure that causes deaths just like alcohol so no, I won't go along with this only resulting in death if the pot smoker gets shot while being arrested.

Over use of prescription drugs is a huge problem as well.

latebloomer45 posted 1/3/2018 09:13 AM

If it makes you horny...could that not lead to criminal behavior? if not YOU, then others who partake?

Certainly being drunk or stoned is often given as an excuse for sexual assault.

NPR just did a story about chronic weed use and extreme vomiting.

So while I don't mind if the laws are relaxed, and the justice system is biased (I'll stop there to avoid breaking guidelines), I think it's naive to act like weed is totally benign.

I'm curious, Candyman, do loved one agree with you that lifelong use has had few bad effects? I'm genuinely curious. I'm blood related to many alcoholics and most of them would argue that booze hasn't hurt them. Whereas I and other relatives would disagree.

Glad to know you won't be going to jail, though!

Newlease posted 1/3/2018 09:57 AM

So many people use and have used while it was illegal. It has never been difficult to obtain. I know many professionals who have used it for years while maintaining their professional and personal lives. Of course anything used to excess is not healthy - moderation in all things.

My thought is that it should be rescheduled and studied. You can not make definitive statements about a substance that has only had limited study.

I know it works for pain and I would venture to guess that it would work for more people - you can get the pain management benefit without the "high." But that hasn't been possible because of the limited study and review of possible benefits and side affects. I really can't understand why this step has not yet been taken.

NL

barcher144 posted 1/3/2018 10:30 AM

For the most part I agree it is not likely WORSE than alcohol, but I'm not so sure it is better, either. Surely it impairs judgement and people drive while using, and yes, I'm sure that causes deaths just like alcohol so no, I won't go along with this only resulting in death if the pot smoker gets shot while being arrested.

Weed definitely has its cons, but I think that it is far safer than alcohol. I know a lot of people think that they can safely drive while high, but I think that's ridiculous. As a minimum, your coordination and reaction times are adversely affected.

When my son smokes weed, he becomes extremely angry, hits trees and breaks his hands, and threatens the life of himself, and his family...including me.

As far as I know, this is extraordinarily rare. I can't imagine being angry on weed, to be honest.

As far as I understand the science, weed is not particularly addictive (i.e., compared to other drugs) and it definitely has benefits. Personally, I like the effect way more than alcohol (I've stopped drinking almost entirely since discovering weed) and I particularly like that the after-effects are negligible for me (i.e., I don't get a hangover or the equivalent).

dreamlife posted 1/3/2018 12:56 PM

The first 23 yrs of my first M were destroyed by a pot head.

He would become violent when he ran out of it.

Now my bestie married to an "artist" pot head is going through my experience.

I came of age in The Summer of Love, 1967, in San Francisco. Sure I smoked some weed called "Kool Aid" back then because it was usually very mild & home grown. The stronger pot called various exotic names back then like Maui-Wowie, Thai stick, Donkey Dick, etc., I avoided because it made me feel paranoid, my heart raced, & it was not enjoyable at all.

I smoked it for a month straight & kept a journal just to see what would happen. Well, the house was a mess after that month, all I wanted to do was listen to loud music, eat, and sleep. I did not drive well under the influence of weed either so I stopped driving immediately for that time frame.

No, the "stupid Stick" never agreed with me and in fact it intensified a headache, etc. Still cannot understand HOW it helps PAIN?

My older brother has mild Parkinsons and found it never helped his tremors nor...*Bonus*...did he even get the munchies at all.

People have died...& as time goes by, more will be revealed.

The reason its receiving such good press now is that there is Money being made, and tax dollars being paid.

6M$Man posted 1/3/2018 14:46 PM

I used to love the shit out of smoking pot. If I lived someplace where I could get it either medically or recreational, I'd be ripping bong hits.

The only violence I ever had when stoned was towards bags of doritos. I used to get the munchies bad...and it was so much fun eating my way sober, then getting ripped again.

Jeaniegirl posted 1/3/2018 16:11 PM

As an attorney, I have always spoken out for and advocated for decriminalization of marijuana. So many sad cases I've seen -- a Vietnam vet suffering from Agent Orange got caught with 10 baby food jars of pot and a broken shotgun in his home. They were raising his granddaughter and Child Protective Services did a wellness check when the granddaughter innocently mentioned pot while at school. Arrested him and sentenced him to 35 years because he'd had a pot arrest 20 years previously. He died (painfully) in prison three years ago. Just wrong. That's just one of many injustices I've witnessed. I don't have a personal opinion about the use of it other than I think it definitely has some medical purpose and that's why it's here on earth. As for myself, I don't care to try it, legal or not -- because I like being in total control of my actions and thoughts. I don't even drink any kind of alcohol. I feel alcohol is way more dangerous to everyone, especially non-drinkers being killed by drunk drivers.

The states legalizing it are going to get a boat load of revenue from the taxes. Time will tell if the financial benefits outweigh the problems it might bring.

Jeaniegirl posted 1/3/2018 16:15 PM

It grows wild all around me but I'm not telling anyone where I live.

Candyman66 posted 1/3/2018 19:00 PM

Sex weed. Yes it does make one horny but for me that does not come close to describing it. For starters I am going to make statement that sound conceited but have a lot to do with it. In high school I was tested for reading speed, I came out with 980 words per minute with 98 % comprehension. I was an air traffic controller for both the military and with the FAA.

I love sex (as does I'm sure most people on here do) but sometimes I can be distracted. When I'm smoking I'm TOTALLY "in the minute". NOTHING exists except the Lady and myself. I get lost in just the touch and sensation of being with my Lady. She is the ONLY thing on my mind and giving her pleasure is my only function in life! It desensitises me just enough that I can last for a VERY long time. No hurry just hedonistic pleasure.

Just my experience yours may vary

persevere posted 1/3/2018 21:44 PM

As someone who works in criminal justice (in Texas no less) even the prosecutor's here are starting to technically "legalize" small amounts of pot possession. Larger metro areas started with moving to issuing "tickets" for small amounts of POM (Poss of Marijuana) and now some (esp larger area) prosecutors are moving to allow the same cases to procedurally be handled by diversion - meaning that if the defendant completes a class and pays a fee their case is dismissed.

The general intent seems to be move marijuana in line with alcohol - intoxication offenses, such as driving under the influence, will apply regardless of the intoxication manner - but possession in itself is losing its' stigma in some areas - meaning recreational use possession.

I'm not providing my own opinion on the practice - just the information.

[This message edited by persevere at 9:48 PM, January 3rd (Wednesday)]

sickofsurviving posted 1/3/2018 23:43 PM

I smoke. A lot. Always have. My house is so clean, you can eat soup out of the toilets. I LOVE to clean when I smoke.

I also am very creative when I smoke. I crochet, sew, make deco mesh wreaths.

It takes the edge off, when the pain of infidelity, becomes too much. Like other people would have a glass of wine.

I have had 5 major surgeries and dozens of minor procedures requiring hospitalization. I have survived cancer. Twice. I only have a portion of my pancreas left. So alcohol of any kind is out of the question.

I just feel better when I smoke. It helps my pain tremendously. Especially since I refuse to let them legally addict me to pain meds.

The munchies are awesome! Keeps me from looking like a sickly, person. I rarely eat otherwise. It hurts.

I am in a semi truck with WH now. So I won't smoke until we hit a legal state, or go home. I lose between 10 and 15 pounds every time. And I just don't have it to lose.

So, I am a huge advocate of legal weed. I was "raised" by alcoholic parents, my brother is an alcoholic, my sister is an alcoholic. Personally, I think alcohol should be illegal.

latebloomer45 posted 1/4/2018 09:25 AM

To Candyman and all users:

Check the news this morning regarding the feds. Just FYI.

barcher144 posted 1/4/2018 10:14 AM

Comments, in no order of importance:

Arrested him and sentenced him to 35 years because he'd had a pot arrest 20 years previously.

Relatively few people (our AG not included) think that our pot laws are fair and just. A few grams of a flower equals a prison sentence longer than rape and murder? That's just wrong.

It grows wild all around me but I'm not telling anyone where I live.

Are you sure that it is wild? I'd love to see a living plant... I love the smell.

My house is so clean, you can eat soup out of the toilets.

I don't eat soup very often, thankfully.

Check the news this morning regarding the feds. Just FYI.

The fact is that the majority of MJ arrests and legal issues have always been State and local jurisdictions. The Feds don't worry too much about individuals who possess a little weed, unless it is to their advantage (they don't have the man-power to go after such minor offenses). California has had medical marijuana since 1996, for example (federal law does not discern medical MJ from Rec MJ)... The "old way" is not that different than the "new way."

The states legalizing it are going to get a boat load of revenue from the taxes.

Related to AG Sessions rescinding Obama-era policies, my guess is that there will be a major battle now, mostly because of the money. The states where it is legal (recreationally) make a ton of money and they have invested a lot of infrastructure. They will likely sue if the Feds go after "legal" operations and there will be courtroom battles. There is also likely to be legislation proposed (getting anything passed seems to be a battle) to prevent the AG from carrying out his agenda (also, the President might fire the AG at any moment).

Notthevictem posted 1/4/2018 11:39 AM

Edit: too close to political, sorry

[This message edited by Notthevictem at 11:40 AM, January 4th (Thursday)]

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