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waiting2see
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Default  Posted: 8:17 PM, October 4th (Monday)

Ok we'll assume if you wanted to participate in this discussion, you've secured the book by now.

I think we decided to read the entire book b/f we begin to discuss.

Can everyone be ready to discuss in the next two weeks?


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Much of your pain is self-chosen. ~Kahlil Gibran, The Prophet, 1923

"It's not livin' that you're doin' if it feels like dyin." Ray Lamontagne


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Jessy1501
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Default  Posted: 10:02 PM, October 4th (Monday)

OMG I had to read that book in high school! I absolutely love it. It became one of my favorites ever! I'd love to read it again, it's been a while.


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Default  Posted: 8:26 AM, October 5th (Tuesday)

Oh yeah blast from the past.
Good book.

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painpaingoaway
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Default  Posted: 9:44 AM, October 5th (Tuesday)

Awesome fabulous book...Owen Meany is one of my favorite heros.


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Married 33 years
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painpaingoaway
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Default  Posted: 9:46 AM, October 5th (Tuesday)

Just my 2 cents worth, but this book is a difficult read in the beginning. I would think with most peoples busy schedules, a month would be necessary.


me BS female 56/him WS 59
Married 33 years
D-day July 09/he gave me his slut's STD
Watch my movie: "My wayward husband's adventures in STD land":
Episode 1: youtu.be/9Jv0-d_CdYc
Episode 2: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tz822H82Gk

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wantmore
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Default  Posted: 10:08 AM, October 5th (Tuesday)

I am 6% into it and it hasn't gotten to me yet. Perhaps it will. How much should I expect it to be slowish? Can you say without a spoiler?

It is a pleasant read so far, just not something I can't put down. I haven't once laughed out loud or had a sad reaction yet. And I did pass a certain sad point.


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wildbananas
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Default  Posted: 12:28 PM, October 5th (Tuesday)

I read it years ago and loved it... I agree, though. A week doesn't seem like enough time. Maybe two?


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painpaingoaway
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Default  Posted: 2:48 PM, October 5th (Tuesday)

Wantmore,

I would say about the first 20% is difficult to get thru...but don't give up! It is worth it! Forge ahead!


me BS female 56/him WS 59
Married 33 years
D-day July 09/he gave me his slut's STD
Watch my movie: "My wayward husband's adventures in STD land":
Episode 1: youtu.be/9Jv0-d_CdYc
Episode 2: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tz822H82Gk

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howcouldhe1
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Default  Posted: 4:26 PM, October 5th (Tuesday)

Phew I thought it might be just me that was finding it a bit slow. I'm sort of enjoying it but it seems to be taking a long time to get somewhere.


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waiting2see
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Default  Posted: 8:07 PM, October 5th (Tuesday)

It's been enjoyable but slow for me too. But I'm about 20% into it and it's picking up momentum. I've reached the point of being anxious to see what goes on next.

Okay, so should we say we will begin to discuss by the end of October?

If people keep checking in to update as to where they are in the book we can adjust the disucssion deadline accordingly.

For those of you who hadn't planned to read, there is plenty of time if you want to get it out and dust it off.

I've not read it before but since many have, a good point of discussion might be how it reads the second time around. Just a thought.


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him: XWS

Much of your pain is self-chosen. ~Kahlil Gibran, The Prophet, 1923

"It's not livin' that you're doin' if it feels like dyin." Ray Lamontagne


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Default  Posted: 9:38 AM, October 6th (Wednesday)

I tell people who are reading Owen Meany that they have to slug their way through the first chapter. It'll pick up, trust us.

And while you're reading, for God's sake stay away from the movie Simon Birch.


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MyTurnATL
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Default  Posted: 2:28 PM, October 9th (Saturday)

Just wandered into this forum and saw this post. Can anyone participate. I just finished re-reading Owen Meany for about the 5th time. Would love to discuss.

And for those who are trying to get 'into' it, keep going. It will grab you and the payoff is totally worth it.


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survivor girl
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Default  Posted: 6:07 PM, October 9th (Saturday)

I, too just saw this post on Owen Meany....and I echo MyTurnATL...can anyone participate?


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By fearing to attempt." --Shakespeare

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Default  Posted: 7:14 PM, October 9th (Saturday)

Maybe my all-time favorite book. Well worth taking the time to get into Irving's style.


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Default  Posted: 8:11 PM, October 9th (Saturday)

Absolutely anyone can participate.


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waiting2see
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Default  Posted: 8:17 PM, October 9th (Saturday)

It's great so many people are getting on board to discuss!

I'm about half way through. So I can be ready in a week or so.

How about others? A week? Two weeks to discuss?


me: BS
him: XWS

Much of your pain is self-chosen. ~Kahlil Gibran, The Prophet, 1923

"It's not livin' that you're doin' if it feels like dyin." Ray Lamontagne


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Default  Posted: 10:57 PM, October 15th (Friday)

I like the initial suggestion of end of October...but if everyone wants to start, I'll just stay out of this thread until I'm done.


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waiting2see
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Default  Posted: 8:16 AM, October 16th (Saturday)

Ok lets do end of Oct.


me: BS
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Much of your pain is self-chosen. ~Kahlil Gibran, The Prophet, 1923

"It's not livin' that you're doin' if it feels like dyin." Ray Lamontagne


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punky
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Default  Posted: 10:24 PM, October 24th (Sunday)

OMG...this is a great book.


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manAscending
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Default  Posted: 10:27 PM, October 24th (Sunday)

Yup.

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waiting2see
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Default  Posted: 8:10 PM, October 28th (Thursday)

I finished today.


me: BS
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Much of your pain is self-chosen. ~Kahlil Gibran, The Prophet, 1923

"It's not livin' that you're doin' if it feels like dyin." Ray Lamontagne


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howcouldhe1
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Default  Posted: 3:17 PM, October 29th (Friday)

I've finished too. Ready for discussions whenever everyone else is done.


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punky
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Default  Posted: 9:46 AM, October 31st (Sunday)

Finished...and CANNOT stop thinking about this book....


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MyTurnATL
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Default  Posted: 6:14 PM, November 1st (Monday)

Punky, glad to hear it made an impression.

I'm ready to discuss whenever everyone else is.


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Default  Posted: 3:43 PM, November 3rd (Wednesday)

I loved the ending. It was very believable. Not cheesey or canned at all. It left me wanting to know more.

I'm limiting my comments cause I don't want to be a spoiler, but the end of October has come and gone.


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waiting2see
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Default  Posted: 4:52 PM, November 3rd (Wednesday)

I'll discuss: I agree the ending was good. It would have been a bit much if he would have made it to Vietnam and been an hero there--part of the point, I think, is that we can have a certain vision of our destiny but it can shift and, yet, still fulfill our fundamental destiny.

Of course, that's if you believe in destiny. Do we think Owen was pre-destined by God and it was revealed to him throughout his life? That he was emaculately conceived even?

Or do we believe that he believed so much that he created the course of events that led to fulfilling his vision?

Did God force the minister to reveal the baseball to Johnny? or did he begin to believe to a point that he did it, feeling as though God had a hand in it? But, of course, he does not supposedly believe until later when he sees "Tabby" outside the window.

I'm perplexed by Tabby. She is portrayed as almost "saintlike" but she still does some very selfish things. I think keeping her son in the dark about who his father is and calling him her "little fling" really minimizes how important where he comes from is to Johnny.

She was good and caring and reached out to Owen, etc. But some of it seemed selfish.

So do we take the story literally? Is it religious allegory?

I also felt Hester's love for Owen really interesting. I mean she is so cynical in so many ways but she falls for the "purest" one.

And why did Johnny never have sex? Is it a religious parallel to Joseph? Is it because on some level he was commited to Owen? to Hester?

Ok those are my initial thoughts.


me: BS
him: XWS

Much of your pain is self-chosen. ~Kahlil Gibran, The Prophet, 1923

"It's not livin' that you're doin' if it feels like dyin." Ray Lamontagne


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Default  Posted: 9:18 PM, November 4th (Thursday)

part of the point, I think, is that we can have a certain vision of our destiny but it can shift and, yet, still fulfill our fundamental destiny.

I agree we can have preconceived notions about our destiny. But we can't be too tied to one path because we don't have the whole story. Owen thinks he knows his destiny...to a certain extent. But in the end, more of the picture is revealed to him...the reason for his strange voice, the reason for 'the shot', etc.

I also think in a weird kind of way, the women in the story parallel Owen's feelings about America. First, his naive belief in JFK (seemingly simple Tabby), then his desire to believe in the government and a reason for Vietnam (the proper appearances Grandmother), and finally, his disillusionment with the government (Hester).

I also wonder about the John and the no sex thing. It's almost as if John is not a participant in life, and no sex is just a way of reinforcing that idea. Throughout the story, for the most part, he is an outsider in his own life, following Owen's lead.

Finally, I sometimes wonder what Irving was thinking. Is he laughing at us for believing such a fantastical tale (both this book and the Bible), or is he urging us believe by weaving a story that makes it all seem possible?


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waiting2see
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Default  Posted: 6:54 PM, November 7th (Sunday)

I think that is a really interesting point about the women in Owen's life.

What about his anger toward his parents? If he really believed he was emaculately conceived and that the Catholic church was wrong not to believe them, why was he so mad at them?

Why did he make them leave the Christmas play?

Was he angry b/c he wasn't quite sure it was true and so he was angry about their "excuse?"

And then you have the fact that if Mrs. Meany did have sex with someone else then she is similar to Tabby in having an illegitimate child. But Owen adored Tabby and did not hold that against her--maybe because she was honest?

Yet, he was obviously angry at his mother.


me: BS
him: XWS

Much of your pain is self-chosen. ~Kahlil Gibran, The Prophet, 1923

"It's not livin' that you're doin' if it feels like dyin." Ray Lamontagne


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