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Default  Posted: 11:27 AM, February 7th (Monday)

Give me some.

No historicals.

Man with whom I will fall in love. (I'm not expecting Barrons but you know, *sort* of like that). Falling in love with a book character is basically the only thing that will lift me out of this mood. I wish I could have Barrons anew.

No Black Dagger Brotherhood, their names are too absurd for me to tolerate and she is singlehandledly responsible for the worldwide shortage of the letter "h."

YA is acceptable.

Okay go!

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Default  Posted: 12:26 PM, February 7th (Monday)


Lynn Michaels, Mother of the Bride
Rachel Gibson, True Confessions
Jilly Cooper, Rivals
Jean Stubbs, Kelly Park

Any of them work with clotted cream.


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Default  Posted: 3:44 PM, February 7th (Monday)

Any of them work with clotted cream.

???


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Default  Posted: 4:18 PM, February 7th (Monday)

Maybe the Archangel series by Nalini Singh?

they are sooooo trashy but the hero is scary.
He is all powerful and even though he comes to love the heroine you still don't know even in book three if he is going to kiss her or kill her.
He can go either way at any time.

I know how you feel about cats and dogs in your romance so you may feel the same way about winged things, though.


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Default  Posted: 4:21 PM, February 7th (Monday)

another author well known for writing dangerous bad guy/heroes is Anne Stuart.
But I cannot tell you if she is a good writer or not because I haven't read them.
I just hear all my customers talking about how they don't know if the hero is a good guy or a bad guy in her books.


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Default  Posted: 5:49 PM, February 8th (Tuesday)

In my desperation I am now reading the Black Dagger Brotherhood.

I have them as text files so I am changing the names of the heroes. I am removing the extraneous Hs. I can deal with "Rage." I cannot deal with "Rhage." Fuck me running with a chainsaw, what a bullshit thing to name somebody.


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Default  Posted: 7:39 PM, February 8th (Tuesday)

I read them but get sick of hearing about the baby powder smell all the time.


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Default  Posted: 11:17 PM, February 8th (Tuesday)

Black daggers and baby powder...what???


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Default  Posted: 11:40 PM, February 8th (Tuesday)

W loves trashy books!

Katie Mcallister
Tate Halliwell
Lara Adrian
Melissa Marr
Jayne Ann Krentz
Lynsay Sands (Argeneau Series)
Kerrelyn Sparks

Those are her favorites for really trashy. She likes Paranormal Romance.

She says that for "total fun trasy, Michelle Bardsley does not disappoint."

Dakota Cassidy is total trash but fun.

So there are some thoughts.


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Default  Posted: 4:26 AM, February 9th (Wednesday)

Why do they smell like baby powder? Do they have to coat themselves in it to be able to get in and out of their leather pants?

LOL

Rhage
Phury
Vishous

Seriously?

Zsadist (if that's how you spell it) is quite a conservative and sensible spelling, comparatively speaking.

Of course I think I may skip ahead to his book because he seems the most tortured.

The girls sure are boring, though.

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Default  Posted: 8:03 AM, February 9th (Wednesday)

The bad guys smell like baby powder.
After a while you hear about it over and over again.


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Default  Posted: 8:14 AM, February 9th (Wednesday)

The Dark Hunter series by Sherrilyn Kenyon is good if you like paranormal stuff.


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Default  Posted: 12:05 PM, February 9th (Wednesday)

Why do they smell like baby powder? Are you talking about the Lessers?

I tried to read one of the Dark Hunters and was distracted by the fact that the guy watched Buffy all the time. I love Buffy, and I love guys who watch Buffy, but I find it very distracting when the hero of a romance novel basically stops his life every Tuesday night from 8-9 EST so he can watch Buffy. I mean *I* stopped my life every Tuesday night from 8-9 EST to watch Buffy but still. Takes a lot of the mystery out of this here supernatural badass dude when he has strong opinions on the Angel vs. Spike issue.

Now of course the truth is that *Spike* would watch Buffy. Buffy would be Spike's favorite show, and he'd talk to the television and give pep talks to Spike and encourage him to face reality and stop chasing after her.

It makes me so sad to think that I'm never going to meet any book guys that are going to compare to Barrons. It feels like the death of my reading life. I know I'll never love this way again...

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Default  Posted: 12:47 PM, February 9th (Wednesday)

Yes, the Lessers and I don't know why they do.
It disturbs me.

There will be another Barrons type that will come along.
Of course, he still will never be quite as good as THE BARRONS but there will be another one.
It will be satisfying, but only in the way of having Weight Watchers ice cream instead of Ben and Jerrys.


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Default  Posted: 1:07 PM, February 9th (Wednesday)

I'm not kidding you ladies when I tell you I am having a deep, serious emotional problem letting go of Barrons.

I keep wanting to stalk him, but who am I to stalk? The probably perfectly nice lady from Georgia who invented him? What would I do with her once I had her captive? Go all Misery on her and demand she write fic with me in it? I'm not good enough for Barrons, it would never work.

It is so difficult trying to figure out how to stalk and obsess over *imaginary people*. At least when I was obsessed with Mr. Sark from Alias he was played by an actual actor so I knew who to stalk. Poor kid.


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Default  Posted: 4:38 PM, February 9th (Wednesday)

Who is Barrons?

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Default  Posted: 7:05 PM, February 9th (Wednesday)

http://www.karenmoning.com/kmm/novels/fever-series.html

Not for nice, polite girls to read, though...


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Default  Posted: 7:09 PM, February 9th (Wednesday)

Barrons is the answer to Fuck/Marry/Kill. All three parts.


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Default  Posted: 10:26 PM, February 9th (Wednesday)

All of my novels are trashy.


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Default  Posted: 4:44 AM, February 10th (Thursday)

I'm pretty sure I've searched your work diligently for 9 foot tall horned demon beasts who live off of hearts and bone marrow and never lose their erections. Did I overlook something?

So I'm looking into Anne Stuart and Imma need her to write some paranormals because I just can't do Regencies right now. I will probably move back into Regencies at some point but right now I really need the hero to say filthy, filthy things. Normally I'm a witty repartee kind of girl but not right now.

I don't understand why all romantic suspense can't just be paranormal. Romantic suspense but supernatural. It's the easiest thing in the world, just make 'em a demon or something. Anything can be improved by the addition of demons or similar. Give me a text file, I'll fix the shitty names and turn some people into demons and all will be well.

However I do think I may love her if she's writing deliciously evil heroes because she's a grandma and that's pretty badass, being a grandmother and still creating deliciously evil heroes. Respect.

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Default  Posted: 8:53 PM, February 10th (Thursday)

I'm with you on the brotherhood. I only read if desperate...in short doses and skipping words.

Have you read the True Blood books?

And Laurell Kaye Hamilton has a series that my friend calls fairy porn. It is the Merry Gentry books not the vampire ones. Fairy interacts with modern world. Lots of group sex with Merry at the center.

Diane Galbadon (historical but not traditional historical romance)


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I have read the True Blood books, and look forward to Amnesiac! Eric next season. =)

Oh, LKH. The unsexiest sex ever written. The problem I have with the group sex with Merry at the center is that even though Merry shouldn't necessarily be shot in the face like Anita (by Edward, please), I still do not understand why Merry gets to be the boning board. Like Anita. They're like the zoning board except for boning. Why these unexceptional females should get to engage in endless. fucking. negotiations. is beyond me. Literally. Endless fucking negotiations in which they negotiate who gets to fuck who and when and how and where in what order. 50 pages of talking about who gets to fuck and then 5 pages of actual fucking.

Merry Gentry is better than post-Obsidian Butterfly Anita Blake, though. At least she's not trying to pretend to have a plot, EVER. WYSIWYG.

I guarantee you that if I ever become the lead commissioner of the boning board that I will be quite generous and Jean-Claude and Asher who are FIVE HUNDRED YEARS OLD and were boning for the first 200 of those years will not have to ask my permission to bone again. The insufferable nerve of that woman. Plus she never allows any other females to do anything but absolutely suck, be JELLUS, or lick the floor at her feet. It is so wrong on so many levels.

One major innovation I appreciated in Merry Gentry was the adding of several layers of characterization to the menfolk via the triple concentric irises and the candy colored skin. Whereas in Anita Blake you really just have the intersection of hair and eye color to define male characters, here you can have white hair, green skin, and blue, green, and brighter blue eyes. THIS MEANS THEY ARE COMPLEX.

I tried to read Diana Gabaldon in like the early 90s, maybe I should read again.

I think I might also be in the mood to read some Methos-like characters if anyone knows of any Methos types running around out there. Having totes forgotten you were one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse is very sexy.

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Default  Posted: 7:55 AM, February 11th (Friday)

http://www.karenmoning.com/kmm/novels/fever-series.html

Not for nice, polite girls to read, though...

Excellent, thanks! Just reserved the first one at my library!


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Default  Posted: 9:17 AM, February 11th (Friday)

LadyV, I can't remember who is doing them but there is actually a new paranormal series that will be coming out featuring the Four Horsemen.

I kid you not.

I'll see if I can find out who is doing them...


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Default  Posted: 9:20 AM, February 11th (Friday)

Here it is...

http://larissaione.com/blog/books/eternal-rider/


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Default  Posted: 9:24 AM, February 11th (Friday)


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Default  Posted: 9:29 AM, February 11th (Friday)

RELEVANT TO MY INTERESTS!

So I guess she'll do Conquest, War, Death, Famine, because really you wouldn't want to try to sex up Pestilence, so you'd do Conquest instead. Still, I'll be impressed if she can sex up Famine. Godspeed. Pre-Kindling. Thank you!

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Default  Posted: 3:36 PM, February 11th (Friday)

Well I hope they are decent books in a purely indecent way.


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Default  Posted: 9:52 PM, February 11th (Friday)

Oh, Thread, where have you been all my life?

I got a Kindle for Christmas, which is basically an Electronic Plain Brown Wrapper, for purchasing those books one does not want the groovy lady at the bookshop who respects one and thinks one is smart to know I, I mean, one reads.

So I have all the Ilona Andrews magic/tech books, will be downloading the next Kim Harrison Hollows book the instant it comes out, and possibly everything mentioned on this thread. I didn't get past the 2nd Fever book--I forget why--should I give them another whirl, now that they can be purchased in super secret tacky squirrel mode?

I cannot read LKH anymore, which makes me sad, because the first 5 or so AB books were great fun, and the first, ehhh, say, three MG books were fun too (and more honest straight up porn). I had to stop because not only was the suck factor surpassing even my ability to ignore, but I was increasingly terrified she was going to rape Edward with AB, and then I'd have to forsake home and family to find and assassinate her.

I like the Gabaldon books very much, mostly because they satisfy the part of me that misses the Laura Ingalls Wilder books, I love the main character, and am terribly in love with the male lead, who looks like Shaun White only much larger.

I now find myself wondering whether my Revered Bookshop Doyenne is secretly just like New Attitude. Hmm.


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Default  Posted: 5:08 AM, February 12th (Saturday)

Still, I'll be impressed if she can sex up Famine.
Ever see the antics all those celebrities in hollywood and the fashion world get up to? I am pretty sure by looking they qualify as famine.


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Default  Posted: 6:22 AM, February 12th (Saturday)

These are chick books. Women don't want to read about men who look that way, and men don't read these books so their interest in anorexic chic is irrelevant.

OMG Inchy a new victim! You must learn of Barrons!!!

There is a threat of the ardeur assaulting Edward? What is this I don't even....

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Default  Posted: 10:53 AM, February 12th (Saturday)

I tried to read Diana Gabaldon in like the early 90s, maybe I should read again.

OK, confession time. I have been reading the Outlander series. Here is the dealio with this series: DG has diarreah of words. She just goes ON and ON and ON--I hate that. Each book could easily be cut by 1/3 to 1/2. AND WOULD BE BETTER THAT WAY!!!! The time travel aspect of her books is what keeps me hooked. I want to GET TO THOSE PARTS. There are literally parts of the books that make my arm hairs stand up (the skull with the teeth, OMG...), they are so awesome. BUT, you have to wade through all the drivel to get there.

I do care about the characters, though and that is why I keep reading. The sex parts aren't very well written--I've actually skipped over some of it.

I like the history and the time travel and I want to see what happens to the characters.


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Default  Posted: 10:55 AM, February 12th (Saturday)

Thanks for the tip on the new series, NA!


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Default  Posted: 10:55 AM, February 12th (Saturday)

I haven't read her books in a long time and totally lost interest in them because I thought the male character was a big mush.
Not appealing to me in any way.
I don't really go for the betas, I guess.


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Default  Posted: 10:56 AM, February 12th (Saturday)

Ok, if you follow the link that NA provided to new series, you'll see EXACTLY WHY Inchy likes her plain brown wrapper AKA Kindle...


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Default  Posted: 10:59 AM, February 12th (Saturday)

Pre-ordered on my Kindle: Eternal Rider.

Ordered on my Kindle: the first book in the Kim Harrison Hollows series.

Woot woot.


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Default  Posted: 11:41 AM, February 12th (Saturday)

Anything by Maya Banks, Nikita Black (A.K.A. Nina Bruhns), Lauren Dane, Shannon McKenna, Lora Leigh, Beth Kery. These are the books you get on the nook or Kindle because you really don't want to get caught buying them in the store. I have a nook, if anyone wants to borrow something.

I love DG's Outlander series, but yes, very wordy at times. Anyone know of any other books that are like Outlander?


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Default  Posted: 11:57 AM, February 12th (Saturday)

R. Garcia Y Robertson is supposed to be a lot like Gabaldon's books.


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Default  Posted: 5:58 PM, February 12th (Saturday)

I always think the Hollows series needs to be reduced by 30% . I don't really care where it comes out, they are just tooooooo long.

I gave up a bit ago, did anything ever happen between the chick and that guy...Trent, I think? I wearied of waiting for that, he was the only guy who interested me.


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Default  Posted: 8:53 PM, February 12th (Saturday)

No, not yet. But I think she is going to get it on with the demon in this next one. **dangles the lure**


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Default  Posted: 10:30 PM, February 12th (Saturday)

I don't mind long books--as long as what is in there is GOOD and not just pointless, random shit that doesn't add anything of value.


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Default  Posted: 12:13 AM, February 13th (Sunday)

I like long books, too. The longer the better.

Just with this particular series, they are always 30% rambling boring mess. Really just a ruthless editor is needed.

I have generally found if you read the first 20% then skip the next 25% you won't have missed anything and will have skipped the boring stuff. If I can skip 25% of your book and be happier for it then that 25% needed to come out. Just repetitious stuff. And their page counts always come in fatter than others in the genre, even.

Ooh, Trent. I will definitely read that one.

One that came to bore me is the Weather Warden series. Great, good, fine, can we get rid of David the Genie? OMG no we have to have a *KID* with him? He's the *only guy*? Then again her little superpowered college friend was the only other guy around and I wasn't exactly longing for that coupling either.

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Default  Posted: 12:17 AM, February 13th (Sunday)

Asking again because it got buried up there under the Four Horsemen...lol.

Anyone read S.J. Day?


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Looking into her now. Oh, I see, we're fucking Cain and Abel. We will leave no ancient bone unturned. And she turned supe because basically it's an STD but not like vampirism for which the STD model is trite? Awesome.

Has anyone ever tried a series where your choices are Adam or Satan? Like *that* Adam and *that* Satan? If not DIBS DIBS DIBS.

I look forward to the inevitable Rama vs Ravana series and hope that an Indian writer will do it so it's not heinous cultural appropriation. I give them 5 years and if I see nothing then I may consider perpetrating this heinous cultural appropriation myself. I have a friend from Hyderabad, that makes it okay right? I THOUGHT SO. We'll bone Shiva too, of course. Shiva is the hottest.

Oh! Okay, this is not exactly along our trashy line of thinking here as it is likely to get nominated for the Hugo this year, but NK Jemisin's The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms does something well that I've never seen attempted: fucks the shit out of the God of Chaos.

Now consider how in the world we would go about fucking a God. A God of Order, a God of Fucking (like Barrons), sure! We can fuck those Gods. But a God whose essence is that he is change and to whom taking *form* is problematic...how we gonna manage that? That'll make you deaded quite quickly. You can't handle all that jelly.

OH BUT SHE HANDLES ALL THAT JELLY VERY BELIEVABLY AND PERFECTLY. YES SHE DOES.

It's a terrific book all around, and that's not *all* it's about, but all us posting in this thread will find the exact same need being serviced here.

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Default  Posted: 9:27 AM, February 13th (Sunday)

Can't believe I just now found this thread!!! Oh how much I must have missed!

And Lady V, you had me a bit confused there for a minute...

I think I might also be in the mood to read some Methos-like characters

I read Menthos-like and was before I realized you didn't actually say Menthos...


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Default  Posted: 9:51 AM, February 13th (Sunday)

How about Lisa Kleypas? She has 3 or 4 contemporary romances that are pretty sexy. She also writes a lot of historical romance.

I've read the Black Dagger Brotherhood books and thought they were sexy. I agree that the names were silly and the female characters are not well-developed. But some good sex scenes.

Love the Fever series. Barrons is the man. This is probably my favorite romance series.

I could not get into Sherrilyn Kenyon. I found her writing tedious.

Julia Quinn writes great historical romance, but very formulaic...but I guess that's romance novels in general.

Karen Robards is a pretty good romance writer and there's usually an element of suspense in her books.

The Gargoyle was a FANTASTIC love story, but its not a raunchy book. But it is a phenomenal story of unconditional love and faith (not in the overtly religious sense). I would highly recommend it. Beautiful work of fiction.

For a great all-round series, how about Georg R.R. Martin's series beginning with A Game of Thrones? It's long, there's sex, fantasy, deceit, incredibly well-developed characters. Awesome fantasy series.


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Kleypas is one of the two who write historical I like. The other is Kinsale. Oh and your one-offs like Lord of Scoundrels, that's a pretty perfect book.

I liked Kleypas's whole Dickensian heroes thing. Nice break from Dukes.

BDB is going well, have stopped seeing the names so much, but still...boring ass females. But whatever.


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I am just popping in to ask exactly why the fuck NONE of you have EVER mentioned this Zsadist person to me before? Seriously, none of you care about me AT ALL.

Have I not made clear my predilection for exquisitely suffering bastards? What part of "give me more delicious supernatural manpain" has gone unheard all these years?


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I thought you had already given her a complete pass so I didn't even think of it.


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She really should've saved him for later. Now I have no reason to go beyond 3. I got mine, done.

Girl less pointless than the others, but still...I just have a hard time when they're such total ciphers.

Doesn't make me like WANT like Barrons because I really don't want to heal someone with my vagina, I just enjoy watching someone else's healing vagina do its thing. The abundance of oral was also greatly appreciated. *That* is how it's done.

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Okay then you need to check out Gena Showalter's Lords of the Underworld series.

Massive Mecca of Manpain.


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They don't seem to be numbered on Amazon, where to start? If no particular order give me either the biggest asshole or the most tortured.


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The Darkest Night is the first in the Underworld series. Good stuff, that.


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1. The Darkest Fire (2008)
2. The Darkest Night (2008)
3. The Darkest Kiss (2008)
4. The Darkest Pleasure (2008)
5. The Darkest Whisper (2009)
6. The Darkest Passion (2010)
7. The Darkest Lie (2010)
8. The Darkest Secret (2011)


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Okay, about halfway through the first one...I think I tried to read some Showalter Atlantis stuff? Maybe? And hated it, but this is tolerable.

I think one reason I prefer the (tired, I know) first person POV is that while I like spending time in the guy's head, I don't necessarily want to jump right in there and stay. It's a Pride & Prejudice thing. Austen overall, really. Her characters observe and report but they don't *see*. She leaves it to the reader to see. It's a joy to read a character's POV and come to greater understandings than they themselves have.

I like not knowing who/what the guy is a bit longer, unless he is a SUPER strong POV. Blood slave boy was a very strong POV, the first two were just average. Other than that I really want to have to wonder about him.

KWIM?


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Anybody read Laura Kinsale?


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I read her a long, loooong time ago.


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She took a huge break, I think. I liked her. Innovative heroes. The stroke victim who could only communicate in mathematical equatiions was my favorite.


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I honestly was a different person when I read then back then.

You know how you read a book and then you personally grow and evolve and you come back and read it again and it's like a whole different book?

Maybe I should try her again.


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I was like that with her, actually. I first picked up something by her when I was 20ish maybe, and the hero turned out to be a guy who used to be a famous warrior who'd gotten badly injured and lost his confidence and gained a bunch of weight and couldn't fight at all, and the woman was looking for the guy he used to be to come and maybe save her village or whatever, and was terribly disappointed, and was some sort of inventor, and there was a da Vinci type in there, may have been her dad. Vague on this one. Anyway. I was too young to appreciate A. That an old guy who used to be awesome and can be awesome again is a *great* hero and B. A bad-tempered, disappointed inventor chick is a *great* heroine even if she's French and I don't like books set in France for some reason. I also think I may have perceived her as too old.

Then a bit after that, the next one I picked up from her had dialogue written entirely in Middle English, and the guy was some sort of virginal knight and genuinely sweet, and the woman had lived a necessarily trampy, evil live in the Venetian Court or something where she'd been thrust at a young age and had some sort of old pervert husband. And she was 10 years older than he was. And I was like ugh, I can't read this plus she's old.

One or two after that struck me better as one was written largely in correspondence and struck me like a 19th century internet romance, complete with one party being a gigantic liar.

But then about 10 years ago after going through some beatdowns I picked her back up and realized that she actually writes interesting, unique, *specific* books, and that she was not writing anything for a 21-yo to read, even a pretty weird one like me. There is nothing generic about what she's doing which is why she can't do much of it. I just happened to pick up the two most inaccessible ones first.

Oh, and I mucked through the first Lords of the Underworld and was not into it - awful, awful women, manpain not psychological enough, first almost-sex scene and she chooses to inform me that A. His scabs from his nightly murder had fallen off (way to make me think of SCABS, very sexy) and B. That he had an "innie bellybutton." First of all, an innie is assumed. Second, you just said "innie," "belly," and "button."

But I am glad I had already gotten the second one (Anarchy goddess and Death) because...if you watch Fringe, I keep picturing her as Fauxlivia, and she is hilarious and exactly the kind of heroine I like except I don't care for virgins outside of YA. But her POV is very funny and I get why this particular match-up would spark. That's what I miss when I'm disappointed with the female lead. Male lead, why *this* woman? If I want "Well, she's hot" or god forbid "Well, she's hot and naive" to be the answer, I'm not sure why they're characters in a book written for women.

NA, I feel like you're my primary physician in charge of book prescriptions. I wish you were my local used bookstore owner!

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I do believe I was about 21 when I read Kinsale also.


I am glad that there are authors who have veered away from 'formula' romance and have taken risks with their writing.
Too many of them are not rewarded the way they should be simply because different is perceived by a lot of readers as 'bad'.

It's nice to see readers who are willing and enjoy taking chances with writers who aren't traditional in their craft.


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You really should try one by her called for some reason "Flowers in the Storm" even though there are neither flowers nor storms. It's about a guy who has a stroke and can only speak in mathematical equations since that was his area of genius so the family has him put into an asylum, where a mathematically inclined Quaker spinster (I love Quaker spinsters, they're the best kind of spinsters in romance because their dads are super nice and supportive of education) is The Only One Who Can Understand Him.

Here is another very unfortunate thing about first editions of her stuff: I'm pretty sure Fabio was on the covers. And I'm not talking Fabio the way guys talk about Fabio being on the cover, i.e. they think every romance novel has a guy on it and that every guy is Fabio, but the actual Fabio.

I had to razor Fabio off to deal. I had guy roommates in college and there were no ebook readers. I had to be very, very careful with what I left around. I have actually experienced having them toss a book back and forth between them over my head while they read excerpts out loud. They were very tall. Then they made up a character named Fabio on our MUD and wouldn't stop harassing me.


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@ Fabio

I've had someone call me their "Book Sherpa" before.


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OMG, I love it. Book Sherpa is *amazing*.


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Default  Posted: 2:10 PM, February 16th (Wednesday)

It was great.
I wanted to trademark it but there are a couple of random blogs out there that have that phrase in them so I lost out.

Seriously though about readers and authors needing to take a risk... if someone doesn't come up with something really original soon I'm going to lose it.
I swear I'm going to write a book incorporating all the 'hot' themes going on right now...

My hero will be a modern day cowboy who has left the ranch to become a Navy Seal and while he is off fighting overseas he touches a magical object and becomes a time traveler that ends up in medieval Scotland where he is mysteriously turned into a vampire by a group of evil monks who are working to bring down the king.


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Are cowboys in? UGH. Hate. But you know, the two big historical American genres are cowboys and Civil War and I hate both of them.

Is it first person? That determines who the heroine is, of course. If she's first person she's a

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FirstPersonSmartass

If not she's a Basic Bitch who is surprised to learn she has great tits.

But if you could just develop a work ethic you could take the Supernatural Skittles pattern and do your own version and have four books out inside a year and you know good and well you and I and everyone else would read it, bitch about it, read it, bitch about it, etc.

It would be so *easy* if you could just finish *one*. It's a *formula*. Then you just execute. R&D is done already, you just need to make it through production and then the O&M period is a breeze and then you get paid for a CW series that never gets produced.

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Default  Posted: 2:16 PM, February 16th (Wednesday)

Great!
I'm planning my retirement already.

I think we have totally lost everyone else on this thread.


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Default  Posted: 2:18 PM, February 16th (Wednesday)

That just means we're winning.


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But now seriously, how can you be surprised to learn you have great tits? You could be surprised to learn you have *bad* tits but how dumb do you have to be to not know you have great ones?

Between his conversion to vampirism and his defeat of the evil monks he goes down first and with great enthusiasm. Actually recent developments indicate he goes down first, second, and third. Excellent news.


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Oh Lord...

I'm at work and I'm dying.

*note to self... read no more of this thread until after 5:30*


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Aishliynne glanced down and suddenly noticed him noticing the creamy expanse of her D cups swelling out of her black La Perla bra. Then she noticed him noticing her pert nipples perched atop them like flawless cherries and wondered why boobs keep getting compared to ice cream cones in these things. Then his hand slid inside her matching La Perla panties.

"Why is someone who doesn't know she has a fantastic body wearing $300 in lingerie under her clothes when she wasn't even expecting anybody to see it?"

"Shut up, First Person Smartass, the heroine of this book is a Third Person Basic Bitch."

"I'm just pissed off because if I was the lead I wouldn't be getting laid for like three more books."

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The f---

Vis-ous is...bi, I guess?

Not that I don't like it but warn me, lady. Now I have to INTERROGATE THE TEXT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.


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LOL!!!

There are some surprises that should not be ruined.


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I totally skipped #3 because strangely I have a more difficult time taking the name "Butch" seriously as a lead than the others, but I guess I have to read that one now. Dammit.


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I am finishing up the Women of the Otherworld series by Kelley Armstrong. I don't like them all but I am in love with Clayton Danvers.

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With her as well as Patricia Briggs (Mercedes Thompson) I admire the worldbuilding but I feel nothing for the pairings. There's nothing to ship. I find WotU a very cold series in a way.

And of course too much were. Tried the Kresley Cole series, and boom, immediately I'm forced to deal with the Werewolf King. Whiiiiiiine.


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I'm reading the new Kresley Cole right now and finding it interesting but I'm only about 1/3 the way through.


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Not very trashy, but the youngsters in the office suggested the Twilight Series.

Easy reading, but not terribly racy.

Maybe I've been ruined by reading Erica Jong in my youth.


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I read Twilight but was really bored. Nothing happened. Plot free zone. For largely sexless teen vampire fare I recommend the Vampire Academy series, aka "Buffy Goes to Hogwarts."

Wow, BDB is all homoeroticism all the time. At least I don't have to read about any more boring virgins. Girls. Boys are fine.

I keep getting the feeling from this series that except for the weird chicks like the Chosen the women, if you lined them up against the wall, would all look like they'd stepped out of a Talbot's catalog and would look hilarious beside these pierced, inked leather daddies. I would love to see that image represented honestly on one of these covers.

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Yep, the guylove is really on simmer the whole time.
You just never know... will they? won't they?

Sometimes it gets close the edge of uncomfortable for me because, hey...I'm a chick and I want my hero to be into the chick.
But there's just enough of 'other' to make it deliciously tense.


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I did end up really liking all the Lords of the Underworld except the first one. The sex is really good in those, too. And the guys are total sweethearts.

I guess the BDB author got shot down by her editor over V so she's making up for it with Blay and Q-uinn. I just finished the last one last night, and they're obviously the only ship worth sailing.

Speaking of V, his big sex life secret was hilarious. Are you serious, a little bondage and flogging is supposed to be something edgy you have to hide from your friends? You're vampires, there's blood all over the place all the time anyway. I suppose the half-castrated thing might be something that would embarrass you but A. Lots of vamps went through that training camp, and everyone knows what gossips men are and B. Don't you wear skin tight leather pants all the time? Somebody's probably noticed you only have one nut.

Did not get the whole John/Xhex thing. I mean, ok, but...this was actually pretty okay paranormal romance until I guess she decided she wanted to write urban fantasy. Now it's a bad hybrid. The romance parts are still the only good ones. She should switch back.

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Skinny Dip by Carl Hiassen. Bought the book thinking it would be good for middle school kids (author of Hoot and Flush) yet found out this is a totally fun, trashy, sex-filled murder mystery. NOT for middle school!

However, pure trash beach read and very funny.


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I just finished JR Ward's second novel in the "Fallen Angels" series, entitled Crave.

It was pretty lame. Poorly written and really, really cheezy dialogue that was cringe-inducing.

I have enjoyed the Black Dagger Brotherhood series for the fun and sexy plotline, but the Fallen Angels series is just not that good. I read the first one, too, and felt it lacking in good character development and plot. Oh well.


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Does anyone know of any really good angel series? I sure don't. Even nephilim or something?


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I posted earlier about the Nalini Singh angel series.
I'm kind of liking them.


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I just started #1 of the Singh angel series--there's a prequel, too. Are you very far into the series?

I have to say, any blurb that includes a phrase like "7 books in series" catches my eye. These sorts of books are a bit like Chex Party Mix. Don't even bother lying to yourself. Just buy the big bag.

So I'm trying to figure out the world. I'm glad not to be spoonfed ("show, don't tell, dear") but I keep thinking I've missed some detail that will make what I've just read make sense. It feels like starting in the middle of an established series, but it's not, prequel or no prequel. Or maybe I've damaged my brain and now suffer from reading comprehension issues.

Anyway, I like the angel characters. Not completely sure about the female lead yet. She's a bit standard ass-kicker-with-secret-heart-that-yearns for my taste, but I'm only a few chapters in.


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Somehow I missed that, will download.

I think I read a few chapters into the first Psy-Changeling...I remember the main character's mom dominating it which was weird to me so I dropped it.

Are her angels still working at corporate or have they gone freelance? I think I'd like to see them having to deal with being at corporate. Much more troublesome than freelance.

I know what you mean, though, Inchy. You get the sense that maybe there's enough there to satisfy. I keep putting off watching some tv series (notably The Wire) because as long as they go unwatched I know that if I work off the DVR backlog I can always go watch The Wire, which must be amazing since half the known universe says it's the best show ever.

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I've read all of them so far.
I like it enough to keep going even though there are a lot of questions.
I rather like that she kind of dumped us into the middle of things without too much explaination because it gives me a lot to figure out in my head. lol

I also like that the hero is almost an 'anti' hero even though he is an angel.
He seems like a very cruel man but you find that he is just completely closed off after being around for so long.
In the third book you just aren't sure sometimes if he is going to kiss the heroine or kill her.


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I'm about halfway into the first and am enjoying it.

I did find last night that Laura Kinsale published a new book last year so read that. It's very sweet. It also reminded me that she's probably largely responsible for my sympathy toward men who are failures. Most of her heroes have had some sort of crisis of manhood wherein they've deserted the field of battle, metaphorically or literally. They have accumulated (or were born with) certain signifiers of confident, assured masculinity but they feel like frauds. They're never mean or angry, they're not magnificent bastards, they're just afraid that they're going to be found out. That's always been very touching to me, and that's why.

So fuck you Laura Kinsale, thanks a lot for all these losers I've dated. Somehow my magical healing vagina didn't magically heal them out of their loserdom. You *lied*, Laura Kinsale, you *LIED*.

It would probably have helped if I could've discerned between the ones who possibly just *felt* like frauds and the ones who actually were.

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just downloaded my first karen moning book

thanks for the good leads.


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Glad you are enjoying them LadyV.
Apparently your magic vagina was a nonfunctioning unit until later in life.


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Yeah, originally it was single class as a fighter but then later on it dual classed as a fighter/mage which meant it had to quit wearing armor. Of course mages don't have healing spells, either. Shoulda played a paladin from the start, I guess.

Haha, Raphael is an angel who says cock instead of using stupid euphemisms. My kind of guy. She of course has a "core," which means that I wonder if they're having sex or attending Pilates class.

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I love that about Raphael. Seriously, what could be better than a dirty angel?

I've often wondered about the difference between a "core" and a "center." I tend to think a "core" would be used for intercourse and a "center" what one focuses on during oral, but they seem to be used interchangeably.

And then there's one's "heat," as in "his fingers found her heat." Oh, there it is! I was sure I'd left it on the counter with my keys, but it was in my bag after all.


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I'm seeing a lot of "her core was glistening" type things so I think core is perhaps the whole spread.

There just isn't a word for girl stuff that is as satisying as cock.

I'm ready for Illium and Jason to get some. Her setup means that she could jump forward and have Evelyn or even Zoe as a heroine. Only reason I can think of to spend that much time thinking about an offstage infant is that it's setup.


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I'm so glad you are enjoying them so far.


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Apparently Jory Strong also writes about angels but I just read a story in an anthology and thought it was the biggest load of tripe I've ever seen.


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I really would not have knowingly picked an angel book out of the pile, for fear of tripe and even more diabetes than Twilight induces, but the author was recommended by a co-worker and I just grabbed the first "book one" I saw.

The whole "no one else is gettin' much" thing is starting to concern me a bit. It's possible I have Anita Blake triggers. I'd have to stop reading the series altogether if the "negotiating sex" tripwire got set off.


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I didn't find it to be that way.
I can't stand the Anita Blake series... gack!
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JR Ward has an angel series out.

There is another new series that is just starting with a brand new author...first book...

http://www.carisroane.com/


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It could go either way at this point, wrt Anita Blake style hogging of all the guys.

She does pass the Bechdel test, and she has a best girlfriend and several sisters with whom she is not in romantic rivalry. Her hot guy friend isn't at all into her and has a girlfriend. I think the only supe other than Raphael that's actually really into her is Illium and he'd probably be into a lot of people, frankly. I have a strong suspicion that Dmitri has an offstage thing going on with Holly Chang - that survivor of the bad guy's massacres from book 1. He's assigned to watch her and occasionally has commentary on her. I don't think Jason or Venom are attracted to her at all. WRT Venom, sometimes when you act like you can't stand someone and think they're nothing but trouble for your boss it's because you can't stand them and you think they're nothing but trouble for your boss.

She does throw in a lot of stuff that cranks the mind toward thinking about things that might go on that we don't see. How does Galen know Deacon and does he actually have a thing for him? This is the way to keep my attention!


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She totally needs to drop her Psy series and just concentrate on this one and crank these puppies out.


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Yes, I've finished #2 and there are only like 6 more! Get crackin'!

I'm afraid I don't care what the deal is with Raphael's mother (c'mon, mother issues? done), but I'm very interested in Jason's past. And Deacon's groupie.


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WTF are they called? I have Angel's Blood, Archangel's Kiss, and Archangel's Consort.

http://www.nalinisingh.com/guildhunter.php

Isn't that it?


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My Kindle has lied to me.

I went to look for the names, and while it tells me there are "8 books in the series" it seems to be including every one of her books not in a different named series.

So the only other one is the prequel. Consort was published in December, so it will be forever till there are any more.

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I reviewed the thread and am not seeing confirmation that you've read the Fever series, Inchy.

YOU HAVE RIGHT?

Just got the JR Ward Angel series, haven't started. I just went back and read some Lisa Kleypas that I'd missed since I don't keep up with her anymore. She wins her romantic arguments. The most important argument in romance is always "Why these two people?" She does well with that argument.


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Well, I've read the 1st 2 books. I was sorting of hating the 2nd one but I don't remember why. I think it was because I couldn't decide whether to commit to Barron or not, and the flip-to-the-last-page-and-look method failed me.

So, if I re-engage, will I be sorry? More importantly, will anyone still be willing to talk about the series or will I be forced to re-read old threads and pretend I was participating, just like the lunchroom in middle school?
/showing my issues

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WHAT'S WITH THE FLOATING CURSOR PROBLEM ON THIS LAPTOP?!

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If you don't finish those books you are going to get kicked out of the trashy book club.

Read them!
We had a huge thread going on about this but don't read it or you will get spoilers.


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Girl you are to make it to first third of book 4. Then you will *comprehend*.

Almost did me in. I will buy them for you! this is how strongly I believe you neeeeed them.

I will never tire of discussing Barrons. Poor lord_v.


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oKAY. Sheesh.

Soon as I finish Angel#3(tomorrow, likely) I will get Fever #3. I expect y'all to Be There for me when the time comes.


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Oh honey, we will be.

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So THAT'S what it was. I thought my chest felt tight for a while there. I chalked it up to perimenopause. That's where everything goes, now.


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Jericho Z. Barrons... How do I begin to explain Jericho Barrons?

Jericho Barrons is flawless.

I hear his hair's insured for $10,000.

I hear he does car commercials...in Japan.

His favorite movie is Varsity Blues.

One time he met John Stamos on a plane...And he told Barrons he was pretty.

One time Barrons punched me in the face...it was awesome.


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Inchy would you be willing to set up some sort of webcam aimed at you preferred pointed toward your reading area so I can watch you read Barrons? In addition to being creepy, it would help me enormously.

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I am laughing hysterically. I have no idea why. "In addition to being creepy" has completely set me off and I am laughing that weird laugh you laugh when you're alone. You know, the "huhr huhr huhr" one.

I'm so glad I can blame perimenopause for these things. Long may she reign!


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I have yet to receive the IP for that webcam.

Just be sure you have it set up by the time you get to book 4.

I LIKE TO WATCH.


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Don't make me flag this thread.


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We'll just put it on chatroulette and then guys from Russia can watch us read it while they try to show us their dicks.


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Okay! Re-fevering begins tonight. I'll keep you posted.


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Okay, I think I've exhibited enough patience.

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LadyV... I thought about you the other day.
I was reading a quick story in an anthology and one of the lines was 'he had the cruelest mouth she had ever seen.'

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Just a quick T/J to ask: Exactly what IS a trashy book? Is it just erotica stuff, or is it romance novels, or what, exactly?


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I think of them as disposable books. Easily digested so many can be read one after the other. Junk food books.

This thread has thus far been about those kinds of books in the romance genre.


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Anyone read any Eloisa James?

I just read her six book Duchess series and...she appears to be an SI poster.

The sort of main couple who appear in all the books and then are the focus of the 5th one are dealing with infidelity and the discussions they have and the way they work it out...it's like 18th Century SI.

This era and this genre are not my usual...many requirements are distracting to me, not the least of which is the period costume, since I know how ridiculous the guys must look. But I got over it. Recommend, recommend, recommend.

They're romance in that the resolution of each volume follows a romance model, but the degree of interconnection and the series model overall is not. Not to mention the fact that you don't see infidelity dealt with in romance ever, really, but when you think about it, you can't get a sense of a couple's history, the loss they've experienced, and how they've both changed over time in a single volume.

Each book in the series is really about people building an ethical life out of an unethical past. Repairing the mistakes of their youth, not rugsweeping, really dealing. Very mature series, smart and funny writer. There's also a lot of chess, which is always good, and a tantalizing is-he-good-or-bad guy you get teased with at the top of the first who doesn't get his own book until the end. Nobody can resist that.

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I never read her because (to be honest) I judged her books by their cover.

I figured she was just another typical 'Avon' author with the typical avon plots and writing.

I'll put her down on my list.


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They are really dreadful. Kindle has meant I can ignore that.

She is Robert Bly's daughter, is a Yale PhD, and teaches at Fordham. This explains all the lit refs and why the research is so good.

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I'm compelled to announce that I am starting the Horseman book by Ione today.


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If you want a tortured hero, try the book Acheron by Sherrilyn Kenyon.

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How're the Horsemen riding, NA? Who's up first, War or Death?

Makes me want to watch Methos clips.

I tried one Sherrilyn Kenyon, I'll try Acheron, too. Thanks!


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War was first on dock.
Looks like Death is on deck.
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Everybody knows War is the sexiest.


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Ok, I have fallen down a Regency rabbit hole. They're crackier than most things, I think. In the past five days I have read everything Sabrina Jeffries has published, and I still need MOAR. I don't want to give in and read Mary Balogh, though. I've always promised myself I wouldn't do that.


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You should check Elizabeth Hoyt.


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ooohhh. I love Elizabeth Hoyt.

Loretta Chase too, I can't get enough of her.

For some odd reason any author who's heroine shoots the hero for being a shithead holds a special place in my heart.


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Lord of Scoundrels is the best historical romance novel ever written.


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That was a great book.
So smartly written


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I really believed his problem, I believed that she brought a unique perspective to him that let him see his problem the way others see it, and the fact that he came around to be able to move out of his injured child pose to glimpse the destruction he'd wrought on his own child...it was like fucking Jungian shit. And all it took was someone who was capable of not taking his mother so personally, sympathizing with her so he was finally able to see her as someone who was no more than a child herself who made the best of an untenable situation and left him where he knew his needs would be met, as opposed to Dain, who had displaced his self-loathing onto Dominic. It was brilliantl


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Ok, I just found this thread!

And while I am furiously writing down authors/titles, I can't believe no one has mentioned Christine Feehan's Dark series (tortured, supernatural, angst! OH THE ANGST!) or her Ghostwalker series.

Or Jacqueline Carey's Kushiel Series. Lots of trampy, BDSM sex, but actually has a pretty in depth plot. I loved it because it had everything. Sex, betrayel, adventure, swords, magic, etc. I particularly liked how she took the christian religion and ....well, you will just have to read the books.


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The Feehan books are really hard for me to get into.

I like the McCray books and the Kresley Cole series of Paranormals but they have furry things in them and I know how LadyV feels about that.

I do like the Lara Adrian vamp books.


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A new regency author is Delilah Marvelle.
She has a trilogy that I'm just starting.
Told a customer I'd read them.


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I think I tried a Feehan but there was a whole "she is taking this wy too seriously" issue for me.

I really recommend the Sabrina Jeffries. All interconnected, some in subtle ways that you have to have read them all to get.

Also read a newish author named Sarah Maclean, "Nine Rules to Break When Romancing a Rake." It's a wallpaper book, meaning it's composed entirely of standard elements, but it's really adorable and I highly reecommend.


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Wow, the Marvelle book I read last night (was the 3rd one in the trilogy) was not your standard regency characters.

Heroine was an amputee and Hero had cutting issues and was into some self flagellation.
The Heroine was the aggressor and would not be put off.

It was *different*.


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I just read two Marvelles, and neither contained that.

Dildos and anal, yes. Actually *well done anal*. She's not much of a writer, so just skip between sex scenes, they're the whole show.

What's the title you're talking about?


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The Perfect Scandal


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Oh hey, read another of hers, with an awesome scene where he's like "straddle me" (she straddles in the normal way) "No, not there" and yanks her forward by her hips to straddle his face.

This bitch knows her business. Any man that wants you to sit on his face deserves eternal respect, honor, and love.

Also read two Elizabeth Hoyts, the one where he's pockmarked and she's his secretary, and the one where he's an estate manager and she's rich. Both were very, very good.

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Glad you enjoyed the Hoyt.
She is becoming an autobuy for me.


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I just read one where he's a sex addict and it actually handled the issue with intelligence and sensitivity.

Now I'm on one where he was like held captive and tortured in India and is all PTSD about it and can't stand to be touched. But I suspect he will be Healed By Vagina. Ultimately that's what they all need.


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Yep


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It has come to my attention that some folks have been wondering where I have been and if something is wrong.

In fact, something is terribly, terribly wrong, and I had to revive this thread to reveal the sickness and tragedy at work here.

I cannot stop inhaling books about male virgins. BLOND ones. WTF. I have not been interested in blonds since I found out they had to dig a trench for Brooke Shields to walk in so Christopher Atkins wouldn't be half a foot shorter than she was in The Blue Lagoon. I have never had any interest in IRL male virgins since these days it strikes one that there is perhaps an issue since it's only entertaining if they're at least 25 (if they're younger they should go have bad first times with other virgins like nature intended), but in historicals, well, you know, Victorians. Repression turns one guy into a 30 year old virgin, and another into the author of My Secret Life.

So, here are some recommendations:

1. The Countess Takes a Lover, Bonnie Dee. I ain't even tryin' to act like this is not porn. It would be categorized as ero rom. You will be shocked (shocked!) at the amount of character development that can take place in the inner monologue of a young man going down on a woman for the first time. Truly charming. He's a Professor subtype.

2. Untouched, Anna Campbell. Not a blond but should've been, so I edited the text of mine accordingly. He clearly should be played by a young Kevin McKidd. Anyway, this is romance but they do say cock a lot. He's sort of a mixture of Paladin/Professor/Psychologically Damaged, more the first, though.

3. I will mention Wild at Heart by Pat Gaffney since it seems to be everyone's favorite male virgin, and I'd read it years ago and didn't care for it much, but am pleased to report that as fetish fuel it's quite satisfactory. Dark hair, though. Seems more appropriate for a wolf boy virgin, though, so it's ok. He'd be more like...Pure. I think I can keep this P thing going.

4. Broken Wing, Judith James. Now, this is where I have to argue about what a virgin is. If you were sold to a brothel as a child and have never had sex with anyone voluntarily it doesn't matter if you're like 23 now and a guy, you're a virgin. Since heroes who were sold to brothels as children are total Woobies and excellent candidates for Healing By Vagina, in fiction only, of course, I find myself drawn to this setup quite often as long as Robin Schone isn't writing it. And he's blond. Clearly Psychologically Damaged, yet strangely Pure.

5. Private Arrangements, Sherry Thomas. This is crossover fetish fuel since I also really like the whole "they're married but have been separated for like a decade because somebody got really pissed, and for a really good reason" thing. Also blond. Paladin.

6. The Shadow and the Star, Kinsale. Should rank higher but I read it so many times in the early 90s that I couldn't re-read it. But blond, and if reading it anew it probably would've been #1 or 2. Hits the brothel thing too of course. Psych.

7. Duchess in Love, Eloisa James. This bitch forces you to read four damn books because her whole schtick is she dangles out the endgame as the B-hero early in a series and then just plays with you for fucking ever, forcing you to read the other four. Anyway, blond. ZOMG PALADIN.

8. When the Duke Returns, Eloisa James. I include this because while the hero is blond and a virgin by choice for perfectly non-weird reasons, the heroine is also a virgin, and this helps me further narrow down this whole thing to the fact that the heroine maybe needs to not be one, too. At least not if the tension of the whole book hangs on when are they gonna do it. In Private Arrangements she's a virgin, but the whole book isn't about when they're gonna do it, but when are they gonna do it *again*. Paladin.

9. Lessons in French, Kinsale. His inclusion here is probably a spoiler, but not a huge one. What's more surprising is that this represents yet *another* deviation for me, which is that he's French, which I normally fucking despise. Yet she wrote very convincing dialogue for him that could *only* be syntactically correct in French accented English and I absolutely adored him and was like, maybe I was wrong about the whole French thing. Not blond but he shouldn't have been so it's ok. I don't think I have a P for this one. It's more an odd sort of unconscious faithfulness.

This is just off the top of my head. I can provide many more upon request.

Now on the non-virgin but still a Woobie front, you know, this Judith James person is very talented. Read Libertine's Kiss. Blessedly set during/after the English Civil War so neither Almack's nor White's even exist and nobody drinks ratafia. You know what I'm talking about. Anyway, he tells her he's going to fuck her with his tongue, and then does so. Doing so is great, of course, but *telling you* and then doing it is *outstanding*.

Also an older book that I *delighted* in, My Dearest Enemy, Connie Brockway. He's blond and *almost* a virgin, and is also unconsciously faithful.

If anyone knows of any other virgins, blond or editable, please sacrifice them to me. Unless they're virgins for some religious reason. General purity sorts of reasons are fine, but not religion. Thanks!

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Default  Posted: 9:40 AM, May 18th (Wednesday)

http://likesbooks.com/virginal.html

Ignore the dopey picture of Gilligan at the top of the page.


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Default  Posted: 10:45 AM, May 18th (Wednesday)

Yeah, that was one of my resources. I need more.

Oh wait, I forgot the one where he's a virgin because he's only got one nut and was embarrassed about it and didn't want Society to know about it. It was not good, despite the fact that the woman was 42 and he was 29, a differential toward which I am inclined to feel warmly. Because he went to Eton or Harrow or whatever, and guess what? Nobody goes to Eton or Harrow without everybody at Eton or Harrow knowing how many nuts they have. This would've long been gotten over, and he's hot and a Marquess. Ludicrous. Plus she was supposed to be an aging courtesan, and I don't care for courtesans anyway, but she was so dreary that I wondered how in the world she'd ever managed to be a courtesan in the first place.


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Default  Posted: 10:58 AM, May 18th (Wednesday)

http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Virgin-Romance-Hero-List/lm/R3JD480ULCGNL5

http://www.loveromancepassion.com/category/story-hook/character-type/virgin-hero/

http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/103014-dc-virginal-heroes


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Default  Posted: 12:57 PM, May 18th (Wednesday)

NA, you simply must read Libertine's Kiss. It isn't only about the tonguefucking thing. It's about so much more than that.

Also, I found three fresh new virgins from your second link. THANK YOU.

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Default  Posted: 1:05 PM, May 18th (Wednesday)

Okay, just went and grabbed it off the shelf right now.
I'll read it tonight.


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Default  Posted: 4:49 AM, June 10th (Friday)

Things That Are Complete and Totally Fuckery:

1: Nix not being Lothaire's Bride.
2-infinity: All other fuckery.


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Default  Posted: 4:59 AM, June 10th (Friday)

Pretty much anything by Brenda Joyce.


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Default  Posted: 8:25 AM, June 10th (Friday)

Honestly, I'm not sure Nix can be anyone's bride.
I mean, who could possibly be nuts enough to put up with Nucking Futz Nix?
You would have to be seriously schizo to even begin to be with her.

Or she is going to have to be so freaking burning hot nuclear in bed that he won't give a damn what she's like out of it.


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Default  Posted: 2:10 AM, June 11th (Saturday)

My thought was that she's a Master Architect from her end, he's one from the other, and the whole series would be to give them the chance to reckanize, so to speak.

Dammit he should've become blooded when he met her on the island. DAMMIT.


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Default  Posted: 12:40 PM, June 11th (Saturday)

Well, on the bright side that gives us two more books instead of just one.


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Here's a question for people...

What are some trashy books that you just KNOW you shouldn't like but you can't help yourself and you read them anyway?

Something that while you are reading you are saying to yourself "I can't believe I'm reading this" and you keep on sucking them down anyway?

I have SOOOO many like that!
I think I need to start a 12 step group for people like me.


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What are some trashy books that you just KNOW you shouldn't like but you can't help yourself and you read them anyway?

Jennifer Crusie.


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Default  Posted: 12:49 PM, June 14th (Tuesday)

Jennifer Crusie has one of my very favorite book scenes of all time...I think it was in Fast Women with the character Nell.
Where she is out to dinner with a bunch of people and she looks around and says, "I just realized I've slept with everyone at this table."
Or something like that.


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Default  Posted: 12:56 PM, June 14th (Tuesday)

I remember that scene. The guys get all hot and bothered because she describes a lesbian experience with one of the women at the table.

Wait, is this the right book?


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Default  Posted: 12:57 PM, June 14th (Tuesday)

I'm pretty sure it is... it's been so long since I've read it.

It was with her best friend and it wasn't a real slutty experience or anything... I believe they were drinking and it just happened.
But everyone at the table (including her ex, I think) were all


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Default  Posted: 1:01 PM, June 14th (Tuesday)

Yea, that's it ,it was her best friend. Her X and the OW he left her for were both at the table as well as the two private investigators.


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It was hilarious!!!

My dirty secret books... Diana Palmer.

OMG!
How embarrassing, I can't believe I'm saying that.
They are horrid.
The men are SUCH jerks.
I ONLY read them because I know there is going to be a great grovel scene someplace and there is nothing better than a good grovel.

I kind of skim through them and berate myself the entire time and do a lot of eye rolling.


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Default  Posted: 1:24 PM, June 14th (Tuesday)

Lord have mercy, Jennifer Crusie is not trashy. She's the closest romance gets to lit fic.

I read one Diana Palmer onaccounta it being on a virgin hero list, and I was amazed at what a huge hateful dick a virgin hero could manage to be. Seriously like rants about how honored she should be about him saving himself. Thanks but a virgin hero who seems to think girls have cooties doesn't really work for me.

For me, M/M/F threesome erotica. Bi guys. Currently going through at least two a day! Clearly not embarrassed, though! Right now I'm reading a series on that topic that's Regency. It's not gay if they were at Talavera! PM me with your email and I'll send you samples of this brilliance!

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Default  Posted: 2:07 PM, June 14th (Tuesday)

I know, total jerk, right?
All her heroes are like that.
She obviously does the lather, rinse, repeat method of writing.

I can't give you one good reason (besides the grovels) that I read them.
I think it has to do with being stubborn now.


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Default  Posted: 2:28 PM, June 14th (Tuesday)

FWIW my extensive study of male virgin romance novel heroes has shown that the best. reason. ever. for a guy to be a 30-yo virgin is that...

...drum roll...

HIS DICK IS SO BIG EVEN COURTESANS WOULDN'T TOUCH HIM.

Brought joy to my day, that someone actually went there.


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Default  Posted: 2:31 PM, June 14th (Tuesday)

hey, it could happen.


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Default  Posted: 5:33 PM, June 14th (Tuesday)

I downloaded "The Countess takes a Lover" for about $3 on my kindle.

LadyV's description was perfect. It was total porn.

I read the steamy passages aloud to my husband and we giggled like two giddy school girls.

Thanks for the recommendation.


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Default  Posted: 2:49 PM, June 20th (Monday)

If you want trashy, pulse racing, make you sweat, fun read the Breed Anthology by Lora Leigh .... it's so trashy/sinfull I almost feel ashamed to read it ...
Almost .....

There's like 20 books in the series. The first ones called "Tempting the Beast"


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Default  Posted: 8:07 AM, June 21st (Tuesday)

Did y'all know that there's a work for mouth-fucking as opposed to a blowjob? Irrumatio, as distinct from fellatio.

You can learn all sorts of things from romance novels!


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Default  Posted: 9:20 PM, June 22nd (Wednesday)

So I just finished with Karen Moning's Fever series ... it's a pretty good series to get lost in.

It reminds me a lot of The House of Night series by P.C. Cast.


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Okay I'm loving this thread! I have a trashy book addiction that I hide because it's unseemly! LMAO I buy the Argeneau series books by Lyndsay Sands and I found one called Viking Unchained by Sandra Hill...it's about a Viking warrior travels through time and is in the modern day world as a Navy SEAL in Baghdad! The very first two pages of this book were drool-worthy! There's a whole series, all Vikings who end up as military hotties. Even a couple of the books are the Viking women who end up "here" as Navy women and they are gettin' some, too. lol

Love this thread!


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There's a whole series, all Vikings who end up as military hotties.
Relevant To My Interests!


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Default  Posted: 11:55 PM, June 24th (Friday)

For me, M/M/F threesome erotica.

ladyvorkosigan Lora leigh has something similar to that. There is a book i remember reading of hers that puts these 3 astronauts (2 guys and a girl go figure) that land on this odd planet that is very similar to Earth and they are there to see if it can be inhabited .... all ofa sudden they are all having sex, threesomes, anal, uncontrollable ... something about the planet giving off some kind of "pheremone" or something to ensure the survival of the planet .... she is one of the most GRAPHIC erotica novelists I have read thus far ... Like she really goes into detail about EVERY thing they do.

From penetration, from the girls point of view to the guys point of view and things in between .... Had me going "Holy crap I can't believe I am READING this!!!!" but I just kept right on going lol ....


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I read a couple of hers where it was like this woman-sharing club and the guys are all straight where the endgame was always the guy bringing in another guy, but I think the reason I like the bi guy setup is that two straight guys just sharing a woman is kind of rapey to me. Saturday night at the Sigma Chi house. Or sublimated homosexual desire where she is just a conduit between them. Better they just go ahead and have sex with one another. That way you know she's not just an excuse for them to get naked together.

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Default  Posted: 6:56 AM, July 2nd (Saturday)

Signs that a dude actually wrote this particular romance novel:

The female character self reports that she is 5'6, 140, and wears a size 16.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


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Ok so I have spent the last few days downloading a TON of these novels for my kindle (yay! THANK YOU! for all the great new authors!!), but gotta say I am a little surprised no one here has yet mentioned The Beauty Series by Anne Rice under the pseudonym of A. N. Roquelaure. (or is this one under the caption of ~dirty secret~ LOL)


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Dear Authors:

Please don't name any of your characters "Hancock." It seriously interferes with my preferred search pattern.


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Default  Posted: 11:29 AM, July 20th (Wednesday)

Megan Hart writes some pretty good stuff.


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I read Broken and liked it a lot...I'll look up her other work.

In Broken, I was really impressed with the way she wrote Adam. With just a few sketches, really, she sold me on the origin of the relationship and the reality of the relationship after he was paralyzed, and she didn't shy away from the latter.


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So remember how I said when I read this stuff it never influences what I would like to *do* or anything about the kind of relationship I personally like/want?

That was before I read "Taking Care of Business" and the sequel "No Reservations." Oh, Bingo, I could be very into a nurturing trophy husband who feels very very good about completing items on a provided list in the *exact manner I want them executed*.

I have also noted an uptick in my level of interest in Ryan Gosling, so I'm not sure if I'm likin' Bingo because he makes me think of Ryan Gosling who over the past 2 weeks has seemingly been on a personal mission to exhibit the most attractive personality in the known universe or if I'm liking Ryan because I think he could pull off Bingo.

Anyway, y'all should read!

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OMG. did you see Lars and the Real Girl?


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I did not. It's odd, my fascination with him stems mostly from his personality in interviews and my approval of his taste in women. He has always dated properly and says really lovely, intelligent things about the women he works with. And oh yeah, The Notebook. I am not made of stone, he is flawless in that and anybody who says different is wrong. And a Scorpio! Yay!


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It is the strangest movie I've seen in a long time.
I still can't figure out why the hell I liked it.


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He read favorite selections from the Hey Girl site in one interview. In another he pointed out that his strange accent was intentionally acquired because as a kid he thought actors had to sound like Brando, and now he can't get rid of it even though he'd like to since he is, after all, Canadian. On Letterman, he described - accurately - the caste system at work in trailer parks based upon his experience living in one with his mom in Orlando. Basically in every interview, he demonstrates that he has arsed himself to be smart and funny, even though his curb appeal is such that he need not bother. It's that above and beyond sort of thing that gets him such excellent performance ratings from me.

Oh, and you know, this:

Thing with The Notebook is that he does so many little things that are so, so hot - like the way he's got his hand in her hair, molding her head while he kisses her in that image - that he either has flawless instincts or, more likely, good instincts and a sense of what women really think is sexy and an understanding of how to do that, be that. You know the breathless forehead meeting thing during makeout breaks? Signifies a guy trying to get control of himself? How does he *know*? He has dozens of those and they are all on display in The Notebook. Where...how...these are our little secrets, but they're only secrets as long as no men bother to observe and discover them. Could he...possibly...could he be the one? Has he been reading ROMANCE NOVELS, where we articulate little things like that? Men aren't called upon to learn that language. When they display an understanding of it, it is devastating.

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Okay
I want to tiptoe into some erotica - however, I do not want it to be vampires or such. AND I do not want historical romance - I want comtemporary - maybe a little dark - erotica.

Ideas? Authors?

Nothing really offends me - so ..........


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Default  Posted: 7:44 PM, August 4th (Thursday)

Try going to the Ellora's Cave website and looking at all the different....choices presented, then decide what you mean by "dark."

Do look at the covers, because covers from EC and Loose Id are absolutely literal. Does it show 3 guys and 1 girl? It's about a MFMM menage that will end in a menarriage. Races depicted on cover are what you are getting. See no wolves, panthers, etc? You're safe, there are no weres.

It's like Ronseal Quick Drying Woodstain. It does exactly what it says on the tin.

Ugliest effin' covers you will ever see.

Helpful little icons let you know what setups, pairings, kinks, etc are in each book.

When you figure out what draws your eye post and I will offer tailored recs.

For now, I can say I've been liking Megan Hart and that sounds kind of like what you are looking for, but you may be like NA and dislike first person narrative. Taking Care of Business isn't first person, though.

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Ok. Haven't read this entire thread so don't know if I'm repeating.

The Twelve Dancing Princesses by Nancy Madore

Very nice erotica with a fairy tale kind of theme


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Default  Posted: 7:43 AM, August 5th (Friday)

dark - hmmmm I am not into the "oh life is so wonderful and I have everything and im perfect and the world is perfect and beautiful" kinda stuff. I will check out the website. I want something a little twisted, bad, with a story line thats not about a perfect person who finds another perfect person and bright lights shoot out their butts and all is well with the world. Maybe I am a little wacked...


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Default  Posted: 3:05 PM, August 5th (Friday)

The Hardway... Anne Rice wrote a 3 book series under a psedo name... the series is "the Claiming of Sleeping Beauty"
Be warned... very erotic!


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Default  Posted: 3:30 PM, August 5th (Friday)

The Sleeping Beauty Books made me throw up in my mouth a little.
I couldn't finish them.
I know there are some people into that but it just gave me the willies and to me they were not erotic.


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Default  Posted: 3:53 PM, August 5th (Friday)

@newattitude I am with you on that. There were some aspects that sit not sit well with me either but different strokes for different folks... as with anything it is a suggestion...lol


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Default  Posted: 3:57 PM, August 5th (Friday)

Yep, it takes all kinds to make the world go around.


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Default  Posted: 12:09 PM, August 6th (Saturday)

Cognoscenti:

Who can tell me if any of the angel paranormals have referenced Rilke's Duino elegies, in their title or like intro quotes or anything? It's that whole "Who if I were to cry out would hear me among the angels' hierarchies blah blah blah every angel is terrifying" poem.


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READ THE "NAUTI" BOOKS BY LORA LEIGH


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NA's upthread rec of Thea Harrison's Elder Races series (first is Dragon Bound) is fucking AWESOME.

The heroes are like Barrons with the added ability to admit when they're wrong and apologize. I know! Flawless!

This gryphon here in the preview for the third plays WoW. I love how the heroes in modern paranormal romance do so many totally mundane things, like leave their shit all around and on the way out to San Francisco to pay back a blood debt log in to get in a few more hours of play time in because no doubt the vampire queen he owes is going to keep him busy for a long time.

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I adore the Fever series. I just read on the author's site recently that Dreamworks has aquired the rights to this series to turn into movies. I enjoy Sherrilyn Kenyon's Hunter series, more the Dream Hunters than the Dark/Were Hunters. Lynsay Sands, JR Ward and Charliene Harris are entertaing as well. I haven't seen Keri Arthur mentioned on this thread. Her Reily Jensen books are fairly steamy and a fast read. I just picked up both Elder Races books the other day based on a friend's reccomendation. I'm glad to see that it seems to be good.


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I have a feeling they'll cast an actual 22yo as Mac and Barrons will end up being a 25yo, because they'll want it to have Twilight/Hunger Games appeal. It should be a tv show, if anything, but you'd have to bring in other characters a lot sooner and probably Mac would actually hook up with V'lane and that cop guy from early on because he'd be turned into a young, hot single guy, and Barrons' boys would come along sooner and there'd be some early Sidhe seer action on that front. NOTHING pays off until 4 or 5. That doesn't work for tv and even less for film. Oh, wait, also Darroc is very attractive and it's a waste to kill him. Hilarious in the book but a waste of an actor who might by that point be resonating with the fan base. You gotta be careful. I'm in it for Barrons but that can change and expand when there are actors involved. He's a much more difficult role to cast than the others, who have fewer expectations of omniscient Magnficent Bastardy.

Oh and also the very important death that Barrons is trying to bring about will be solved via some other means.

/overthinks

Allyson James' Shareem series is good and I want someone else to read it so I can eyeroll over the constant "He's a Level Three!" absurdities. STFU about that already. She writes historicals under the name Jennifer Ashley, and wrote that one a while back with the autistic hero who'd been consigned to an asylum, The Madness of something or other. The Shareem books feel nothing at all like that one, though they're all good.

Oh, and lord_v is halfway through Dragon Bound! His reading list the past six weeks or so has been the *entire* Immortals After Dark series, *Lord of Scoundrels*, and now Dragon Bound! And The Quantum Thief but that doesn't go along with my theme.

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Ok ladies, without cheating, guess about the following:

A series called "Cougar Falls" is probably about...

A. Werecougars
B. Older women/younger men
C. Both

Cheating means Googling, Amazoning, or being NewAttitude.

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I have nothing to say about this.

I'm SO glad you are enjoying Thea Harrison.
It is my job sometime in the next week or so to actually go back and find her earlier books because I just can't believe that someone went from writing Harlequins when she was 18 to popping *this* kind of book out.

I want to see what she started as.

I will report back my findings.


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lord_v is enjoying them but he is highly critical of them and here's why: he's comparing her to Kresley Cole and she's failing on that model because lord_v's opinion on KC was that her world-building and complicated and successfully worked out *series long* plotlines where most of the books were actually set during the same few months so constantly informed one another and her attention to detail and ability to hold a whole framework in her memory was so impressive that lessers just aren't doing it for him. It was hilarious how he kept boggling at KC, like he couldn't believe the superior *fantasy* product a romance author had turned out.

Plus he didn't like it that in Dragon Bound they have sex the first time "In the dirt. While running. From *goblins." He just kept repeating that. Blah blah oh and also, in KC they don't have sex in the dirt while running from goblins.


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Men


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Yes, I'm sure they will change things from the book that make no sense to change. Have you read Karen Marie Monings Facebook page? Here is a link to some recent news she posted regarding the Fever world if you haven't: https://www.facebook.com/KarenMarieMoningfan?ref=ts#!/note.php?note_id=10150278545389142

Have you or NewAttitude read the Chicagoland Vampire series by Chole Neill. It has a Barron-esqe character and I love the main female. I told my hubby he should read some of these books, but he won't. He calls them my sexy books . Who writes the Immortals after Dark series?


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Default  Posted: 11:31 PM, August 26th (Friday)

The Immortals After Dark is Kresley Cole.
Great series.

I have one of the Neill books in my TBR pile so I'll move it up the queue.


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Default  Posted: 12:29 AM, August 28th (Sunday)

My findings re. Thea Harrison's earlier books.

She was very 18.
Very.

And they were written in the 80's.

Ouch.


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Default  Posted: 12:31 AM, August 28th (Sunday)

Okay, read Gena Showalter's newest Alien Huntress book...

She is starting to lose her luster with me.
All of her female characters are beginning to seem like different versions of Anya.


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Hmm. Since Anya is my favorite LotU heroine by *far* - like I see no value in any of the others at all - I might like this series.

I didn't read the last LotU. I just was not interested in Amun's hook, and the chick he was paired with was the one I thought *Strider* was going to be paired with, because why do the bounty hunter/sexy fugitive thing and then give her a different hero? WTF?

Just waitin' for Paris. He's 6'8, you know! I told lord_v that it's a romance rule that when a guy is abnormally tall or has a Penis of Unusual Size and numbers are given, really, just roll both back by four inches. 6'8 is 6'4 in real boy terms. 12" (egad, *wince*) is 8" in real boy terms.

I have to remember that rule as I read the Shareem series (recommend!) since they were all grown in a lab and are 7' tall with 12" dicks. Just go ahead and roll those back 4" and envision that, that's really what the author *means*, she just knows if she says 6'8 and 8" we will mentally subtract 4" and that will not produce the desired results.

I really wish specific penis lengths wouldn't be mentioned at all. It's inevitably an absurd length and then I can't enjoy the sex scenes because I have too much information.

Oh, and I read the Nauti books by Lora Leigh! Aside from having major name issues with the cousins and I had them in PDF, no less, which means I couldn't find and replace their stupid names and never really figuring out why a bunch of dudes were so taken with that particular spelling of "naughty," it was really good! Much better than that companion series about their cousins, which was so gang-rapey I had to put it down halfway through the second one. She sure does like her incest, though, doesn't she? She's a native of Kentucky, these books are set in Kentucky, and incest is a go-to backstory/villain motivation for her? This is like if I wrote a series set in Florida and my go-to backstory/villain was something about conventionally attractive young blonde teachers molesting their teenage students.

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Just popping in to share a funny..... so trashy books are my dirty little secret. H knows, and I've often shared with him when I found characters in the books that reminded me of him. I swear, I can't read about any of these men without putting his face/bod on them -- so he's been cool with me reading them and I've had no guilt.

Fast forward to last week when he returned from Europe and a business trip. He tells me how he was showing his colleagues all the neat things he can do with his iPad, including access the Kindle app. And look, he says, it even shows you your archived books....

And then he begins telling me the top titles that were on the list. He was laughing so hard I thought he'd pee on himself, and I was ready to crawl under a table and hide.

It's one thing to have those random, sexy conversations with the hubs about the books. It's entirely another to learn that his colleagues know his wife has a large collection of BDSM (and other interesting topics)novels.


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Default  Posted: 6:48 PM, August 31st (Wednesday)

oh. my. gawd.

I'd DIE (but I can laugh since it happened to you and not me! lol)


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NA, I don't often get freaked out (thank you Prozac) but I had to stop him from telling me anymore. We were at breakfast with the kids who were thankfully busy laughing about something else and all I could say was stop talking! don't tell me anymore please! shussssssh!!! Neither of us could believe how much it had me blushing. Mercy!


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Default  Posted: 7:29 PM, August 31st (Wednesday)

But what a sweet memory for you two to have together... even if it is embarrassing.

My H likes to tease me about reading 'woman porn' and then he looks at the covers and makes up his own titles. It is hilarious what he comes up with. Then he will come up with a character and ask me something like if the 'French Vietnamese Hemophiliac Horse Training Spy' is in this one.


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Default  Posted: 10:11 PM, August 31st (Wednesday)

Stacia Kane "Ghost" series.

First off, the female lead is a trainwreck of a human being, living in a slum by choice and popping pills by the handful, pretty much unapologetically so--certainly unself-pityingly so. She debunks/dehaunts (depending) hauntings for the Church, which has replaced all religion and pretty much all government since The Haunting some 25 (?) year earlier, when all the ghosts rose, and were pissed. Two thirds of humanity died, so your basic dystopian dark urban fantasy, but not boringly so.

There are three so far, and they're *surprisingly* good for the genre. And she gets better with one, so she's on the upswing. I suspect the author of being *much* smarter than she writes. Little things jump out--surprising nuance, the odd breath-takingly beautiful turn of phrase-and then dive back underground. The plot is more mystery than romance, but there is the requisite Tragic Male, but he's not interested in Healing by Vagina, because she's a trainwreck (though he saves her ass when brute force is needed, he's totally impressed by her cool witchy skillz). He works with her on her mysteries. And he's the enforcer for her drug dealer.

Still stinky cheese, but more poisses than Limburger.


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I swear, I can't read about any of these men without putting his face/bod on them -- so he's been cool with me reading them and I've had no guilt.
I go through phases. Generally if he's fair-haired I picture him as Kevin McKidd. If he's dark-haired, that changes over time. Right now, it's Joe Manganiello, unless the guy is clearly way, way too *not Joe Manganiello*. Michael Fassbender is a go-to when Joe doesn't fit.

In Lord of Scoundrels, I do picture lord_v, because he ticks off many of those boxes. Good and bad.

I had been *highly* resistant to the Richelle Mead Succubus series, even though I loved the Vampire Academy series. I guess I felt that I had put up with enough humiliation from her when I read Vampire Academy (yes, the first is titled exactly that) *on an airplane* in *full view of humanity* because it was *in trade paperback* while being *an overweight brunette female in her late 30s* and thus *falling into Stephenie Meyer's actual demographic* which *makes it much more embarrassing*.

But! The first in the VA follow-up series (ADRIAN!!!) came out Monday, so I read that, and I thought you know, I've been reaaaally species-ist about the Succubus series, let me look into that. Then I discovered the sixth and final volume was being published *yesterday* so I took this as a sign from the universe and read them all yesterday.

It. Was. Awesome.

I can't believe she had me on board with the human over the nephilim. Nephilim are my favorite immortals and are never done right. It's an adorable series, and she really goes all-in with the supernatural hooker thing. I was surprised, that takes nerve.

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Raziel By Kristina Douglas
and the Guild Hunter series by Nalini Singh feature angels and fallen angels if you are into that kind of thing.


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I am here to report that Inchy was spot on about that Stacia Kane series. I seriously thought I was going to die if I had to wait another whole book for Terrible.


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I hsve read the Vampire Academy series and really enjoyed them, though the last one left me slightly dissapointed. I guess you read Bloodlines? I have that book coming soon. Was it good? I've wondered about her Succubus series. Sounds like they are interesting. Have you read the Hunger Games or Immortal Instruments series? Both are interesting. Another new book out that is similar to Hunger Games is called Divergent. Really enjoyed it and look forward to the next book. I have a few Guild Hunters books here in my TBR pile.


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I read Bloodlines, really enjoyed it, but I am an Adrian partisan and really love Sydney. It's shaping up to be Alias meets Harry Potter like VA was Buffy meets HP.

The Succubus stuff could be triggery for some. Her pact with Hell is such that she is essentially a demonic hooker, and the natural activities of a hooker do occur. But I did read all six in just over 24 hours so you know it was awesome!

Read the first two HG but didn't read Mockingbird. i tried to read Mortal Instruments but couldn't get into it, plus there was that old fandom plagiarism scandal with her.


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I didn't go back through the whole thread to check but The Night Huntress series by Jeaniene Frost is very good. I love Bones. I "read" these via audiobook and the reader was really good which is not always the case.

ETA:

Oh and I got a bunch of books from a female friend and strangely enough there is a lot of M/M ones. I haven't asked her why just yet but I'm reading a really sweet and well done one now. The Inventor's Companion by Ariel Tachna. Very sweet love story of forced prostitute finds true love. The first kiss ever I scene I found very touching.

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I just finished some epic co-dependent fucked-upness. This was AWESOME:

http://www.amazon.com/Beautiful-Disaster-ebook/dp/B0052VUNHC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1315469687&sr=8-1

Drop everything and read. It is the literary equivalent of black tar heroin.

Everyone realizes I never bold things, right? I always use *asterisks*. Well I *bolded* that recommendation so I *mean* it!

Also, hahaha, lord_v is reading Vampire Academy. I picked up his e-book reader and there it was, like 1/3 of the way through. I was like, you're reading Vampire Academy? Uhh, well, it was the only thing on the reader I hadn't already read (it used to be mine). Oh okay, I said. Then he began to criticize it, and I said yeah, all true, but you have to remember you're not a 13-yo girl. And he said true, and unlike me he never has been. I said, also true.

But now he's on *Frostbite*. What's his excuse for that? He has no excuse for that! "Well, Vampire Academy read really fast." That's his excuse. I said you know, I'll go convert the first of the Succubus books for you if you like that author and want to not read the VA series. He said oh, that'd be cool. And then *returned to reading Frostbite*.

This is coming on the heels of his finishing The Proposition, or as I have referred to it previously, "The One About The Mustachioed Ratcatcher."

I really, really love lord_v. It means so much to me that he trusts me enough to read things just because I like them.

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By the way:

I ACTUALLY DO EXPECT SOMEBODY TO READ MY REC AND REPORT BACK.

I AM SERIOUS ABOUT THIS PEOPLE.

I HAVE LAID AN OFFERING OF 500 PAGES OF PURE GROVELING, JEALOUS, OBSESSIVE-YET-SOMEHOW-SWEET PAYOFF AT YOUR FEET.

IT IS SERIOUSLY *ENTIRELY* THE PART OF THE BOOK THAT YOU ARE WAITING FOR. THE ENTIRE THING IS THE SCENE YOU KEEP WAITING FOR. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR IT. THERE ARE 500 PAGES OF IT. 500 PAGES OF VARIATIONS OF THE SCENE YOU WERE WAITING FOR.

SOMEBODY APPRECIATE.

DO IT.

DO IT.

DO. IT.

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Okay, GOD!
Iloathe reading YA books but I will suck it up and read the darn thing.

It's going to take me awhile to find it though so you will have to be patient.


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Default  Posted: 6:15 PM, September 8th (Thursday)

It isn't really YA! It's just set in college. There is rampant sex, adult language, and alcohol use.


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Default  Posted: 6:21 PM, September 8th (Thursday)

Yeah, but I'm reading kids my daughter's age doing all that and it skeeves me out.


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ALL RIGHT ALREADY.

Bolded and italicized, dammit. I downloaded it just now. God.

In return, ladyv, you must tell me if you read all three Ghost books and, if so, whether you found the last one triggery or righteous. And maybe explain to me why I am in love with Terrible.


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I did read all three. I didn't find it triggery, except that one line about, how is she supposed to know how to live when no one ever showed her, and she's doing the best she can, etc. So, not triggery in any SI-sense of triggery, I don't think. I mean...it was unfortunate that she was not entirely honest with Terrible, but quite frankly...and here's how I do get that it could be SI-triggery for some...what makes Chess *available* to Terrible - what makes her feel attainable to him - is the damage. The same damage that makes her available to Lex, the same damage that rendered her incapable of simply saying "no" to that one guy near the end of book two, where her inner monologue was so entirely "I wish I didn't have to do this, please let him hurry up so I can leave" with no recognition, of course, that she *can* leave...without the damage, Chess is the same as his kid's mom. Terrible is aspirational. Just pretty, not enough. Has to be smart. Has to be educated, sound educated. Has to be better. Chess, though, she's damaged, so she's safe. Maybe she's crippled enough to *stay*.

I hope that Terrible comes to recognize this, because honestly, while I was extremely *into* what was going down with them in book 3, I maintained an awareness that at least the other drug enforcer she's fucking doesn't make her crawl around in shame begging him to forgive her for some shit far beyond anything she actually *did*. Basically, she hurt Terrible's feelings. That's all she did. She hurt his feelings. She made him feel ugly. She didn't screw him over, and they had no sacred trust to betray. So then she had to *crawl* to prove she wanted him, for the massive crime of unintentionally hurting his feelings because she's so pretty, and he never thought she'd want him. Not that I think anybody in this situation is going to get healthy, but if they were, it'd require Terrible to recognize what a shit he was. He knows how degrading her childhood was. How fucking dare he pull that shit with her.

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Yes, and yes. And yet.

I did like that I got no sense of icky KISA or noble suffering from T. I think part of what makes him fall so hard for Chess is that, for whatever reason, it's the first time he feels *seen*. Which is pretty powerful when you're ugly, scary, and valuable only as long as you're useful.

I agree that Chess is really in no way wayward, for the simple fact that no promises or commitments were made or implied. Interestingly, though, she works the whole recovering wayward process, becoming horrified by the near occasion of lying. And T somewhere in the second half of the 3rd book starts owning his reaction. I think the extreme sense of betrayal he felt was due more to his having made a whole raft of assumptions about who Chess was, and being wrong about them, than her having lied or omitted information relevant to his interests. Certainly no commitments were betrayed.

I think the author has had some kind of brush with the whole matter, frankly.

More interesting, though, is that I find the (relatively few) sex bits disproportionately hawt. I think it's because they are super gritty. With actual grit, in some cases. I like that he doesn't murmur into her throat, he mumbles into her neck.

Onto "Beautiful Disaster." Some parts were promising, but overall it felt as though it were written over a weekend. There was the "bad boy" storyline, then suddenly, hastily the "dad" storyline gets tacked on most of the way through the book, when it would have been useful as character development and plot enrichment much earlier. And maybe I'm Out Of Touch (ha! I was never In Touch) with the younger generation, but it had that whole Dawson's Creek thing where everyone is way more with it and articulate for the way they're actually behaving.

Travis is scary obsessive, despite the author's efforts to rehabilitate the picture she was painting (I loved that he got rid of the couch, but found it Not Believable, nor did I find the way he backs off in the middle believable in the context of his other actions), but that's forgivable. So is the violence. I adore Barrons, after all.

Not forgivable is thathe's lousy in bed. Missionary position? Only? Every time?? Geez.

Did I download the wrong book? What am I missing?


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Oh no. You didn't download the wrong book.

It was 500 pages of a heightened emotional scene in which there is fighting, breaking up, groveling for forgiveness, and/or making up. That is why I said it's black tar heroin. It does away with everything else, and somehow spends 500 pages on the heightened emotional scene that with other books one would be waiting for with great antici...pation. It's that scene. Over and over.

I didn't pay attention to the other aspects, though you're correct about it all. Oh, I did notice he's bad in bed. I ignored those parts too.

It's just like she turned the volume up *immediately* and then it never got turned down and I was really dizzy and high from it so kept reading and reading...I stayed up all night hittin' that.

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I think the extreme sense of betrayal he felt was due more to his having made a whole raft of assumptions about who Chess was, and being wrong about them
But he assumes all relevant information correctly. He knows how she runs her sex life. He knows how she runs her high life. I don't think he thinks she *wouldn't* hook up with Lex, really. Why wouldn't she? He knows she'll hook up with everybody else, after all. And that he is the other gang's version of Terrible is problematic in that it put Terrible in the position of failing to report that activity to his boss since he would've been ordered to kill her, no question. But I don't think that was his issue, either. I don't think he actually thought she might've been spying for Lex, either. That she was not, he believed.

I agree he's no KISA, but I'm not sure what mistaken assumptions he had about her. It seemed to me he had her number exactly. The problem is that she walked away from him to hook up with the hot, relatively privileged version of him. With the familiar "You mattered, he didn't" refrain, which is very SI indeed, and which I totally get.

Nothing rings false at all here, nothing. Yes, I agree that he felt seen. I just don't see where he was actually wrong about anything about her, anything. Unless you're saying he thought he was the one person to whom she showed everything, and the assumption he made was that there was nothing she was hiding from him when he knows she is possibly the most compartmentalized character in trashy paranormal history?


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The big assumption he made was that somehow things would be different with/between/about them...that her friendship with him and the fact that she didn't laugh in his face when he bared his heart to her would somehow prevent all the normal sequelae and behaviors of a closet junky with intimacy issues from coming into play.

I think the fact that she was banging Lex was a special bit of awful, but I think a large part of it was that it simply didn't occur to him that she'd lie (or at least conceal Pertinent Data). Why not, I don't know. But I think his whole anger SI-y meltdown stemmed from a massive whomping dose of cognitive dissonance. Expectations =/= events. Someone has screwed up. I think T eventually figures out it was mostly him that screwed up, not that the emotions magically drain away usefully or anything.

It will be interesting to see where she goes with this storyline in books 4 and 5 (both planned, and 4 is scheduled for, ugh, March 2012).

So, um, yeah...I had to stop myself from reading Beautiful Disaster way past my bedtime too. It was *exactly like* my relationship with Chex Party Mix. Starts out pretty tasty, then you're kind of full, but you want *one more* tasty bit, but you don't *quite* find it, so you keep rooting around (and eating), and before you know it the whole bag is gone and you're half sick.


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I know, it's disheartening. I'm going to go read her old erotica, I think. I want to say she published as December Quinn.

Oh, and yes, I re-read the sex scenes a lot more than one might expect from their brevity and relative lowness on the explicit scale. Probably the one in the bathroom the most. It was when he slowed down and leaned back to watch.

See, that's exactly why it had to be a college book. Only in college can the volume get turned up like that without me rolling my eyes and tossing it aside, because, well, that's college. I also have a soft spot for narratives that I know change after the last line. Like with Say Anything. How long do you think that lasted? Not very. With this one? Let's hope she's diligent about her birth control because otherwise it'll be 3 kids and a divorce before either of them turn 23. I don't need a sequel to tell me what happens. EVERYBODY KNOWS what happens.

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Oh yes. The end of those kinds of stories is the only consolation those of us who weren't drinking like fish, being inconsiderate roommates, wallowing in crazy awesome sex and still somehow passing our classes have. Not that I'm bitter or anything.

I have to say, crazy and all, I found Travis way more likable than Abby.

That "watching" thing always gets me. Except in LKH books. Then it just made me kind of want to hurl.


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Also, 6'4' 270 and rock hard with a *narrow waist*? I don't think I'd even notice that he *had* a face.

It was the leaning back at that angle, and the physical strength and control it'd take to keep it going like that while he slowed it down to watch.

Another thought I had after I finished was hey, that was the post-zombie-apocalypse done right.

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LadyV, you might want to check out a new release coming by Sylvia Day... Touch of Crimson.

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I have a ? for you all.

Isn't it hard for you to read these trashy books with all of the infidelity, etc.?

How do you relate to it if you've been betrayed? I'm asking respectfully. I've always wondered this when reading this thread.

I did post in General about how I'm less affected by infidelity now in the What Movies to Avoid thread.

But these books sound over-the-top sometimes...
I'd love to hear your comments. I don't care for Erotica or porn, especially...but I'm just trying to understand Y'all on this thread...

Thanks!


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You mean you think there is infidelity in the books?

Nothing could be farther from the truth! Please realize that at the very deepest heart of these they are 'romance' novels.
There is nothing romantic about infidelity.

I can count on three fingers the amount of books I have read with infidelity in it (with the main characters) and that is out of thousands and thousands of books that I have read.
If there is infidelity it is usually a side plot with bad people or something.

I can't explain it any better than to just say that it is really a non issue.

LadyV will say it better, I'm sure.


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I have nothing to add other than:

1. Infidelity - except used as tragic backstory or to demonstrate the vile villainy of the villain(s) - is actually still on the "banned" list with many, if not most, publishers. I don't think Ellora's Cave "Exotika" even allows it. Infidelity is inherently unromantic. It is almost unheard of for hero(ine)(s) to have sex with anyone outsiders past their first *meeting* with their designated mate(s). Submission guidelines count very heavily in romance. Genre rules are firm because readers react very poorly to that which falls out of form. This is probably why I like romance and dislike so much literary fiction. I also dislike free verse, but drop into a swoon for a villanelle. I thought I was gonna die the first time I read One Art.

2. I am certain I have read more than once incident in which characters involved in evolving menarriages have paused to clutch the pearls over infidelity going on amongst villains and express righteous anger at anyone outside the menarriage daring to attempt to seduce any participants away from the menarriage.

3. As of three weeks ago, Google told me that menarriage has not previously been used by anyone so it is mine. This is my second post using it. I wonder if what would happen if I posted it three times while looking in the mirror...


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Got the newest Showalter book today.

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Not sure if its been mentioned but I finished "On the corner of bitter and sweet" and loved it.

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Thanks for answering my ?...:) But there is infidelity in say, erotica?


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Since you're asking these questions you must not be familiar with this genre and its subgenres. This is excellent, since it affords me the opportunity to lecture! Not that I require an opportunity, but it's nice to have one!

Erotica, as a literary category, is not necessarily categorized as romance. The Story of O, for example, or the Beauty novels. My Secret Life and other Victorian confessionals. Erotica can be highly erotic yet not contain a bit of romance.

Erotic romance is what you get when you have erotica that is as dependent upon the romantic element as it is upon the sexual element. You couldn't take away either without completely changing the work.

And romance - erotic or YA or any point in between - is a bit like knitting. It is done almost exclusively *by* women for the appreciation and enjoyment of an audience that is considered almost exclusively to also be made up of women. That doesn't mean that no men knit, nor does it mean that no men benefit from the existence of sweaters. Just means one can assume the knitting fandom is women crafting for the delight and appreciation of other women, and that any male approval garnered is unnecessary, though certainly not unappreciated, which any man who has ever immersed himself in knitting or romance fandom can attest, since he'll be popular and appreciated for even his most basic thoughts, much the way a dad can find himself lauded as a superhero if he changes diapers and spends any time at all with his kids.

And it is written to cater to women's fantasies. Women's fantasies are certainly broad and varied, and that which is considered acceptable or even desirable has certainly changed a lot since I began reading romance in junior high school. When I was 16, I regularly read about girls my own age being pursued by men 35 and up (in historicals, of course, and heinous Linda Howard category romances). However, I certainly never encountered any threesomes of *any* variety, and nary a hero displayed even a hint of appreciation of other men's attraction to them, much less took it as their due onaccounta being so hot, and my *god* certainly never expressed an attraction to other men, and M/M would never enter anyone's mind. Rape? Could happen. Not *commonly*, but certainly. Reconciling a couple after such a thing consisted of the man realizing that she was not, in fact, a gigantic cheating whore, and feeling bad because he was wrong about that. Not about the rape, but because he did it for the *wrong reasons*.

Nowadays, 20 year age differences are uncommon and you certainly do not find underage (for our times) girls engaged in such. No one would publish that, because no one would buy it, and the romance reading world is highly active online, and *everyone* would know to avoid it. However something else you didn't find in the 80s - 200 year age differences, for example - are quite popular! But we didn't have paranormals back then. Rape? The hoops that are jumped through to ensure that even in the most extreme scenarios *all participants are consenting* is sometimes oddly disconcerting. One of the most popular romances of the 80s - "Whitney, My Love" - was rewritten for re-release to *take out the rape*, and people have never stopped talking about the original, because browsing through one's bookshelves sometime during the 90s and going "holy fuck, Clayton RAPED WHITNEY!" is something of a touchstone event in most of our lives.

MFM (means the guys are straight) and MMF (means the guys are bi) is the *most popular* subgenre of erotic romance. One would think it was BDSM, but BDSM in *some* form is basically a given these days (which I find tiresome), and hardly counts. And very popular authors in mainstream romance often write erotic romance under different names, and now I'm seeing hints of bisexuality and threesomes bleeding over from that work into the mainstream work.

Aside: NA - Jennifer Ashley's latest, Cameron's book...I swear from that one set of supporting characters that she's getting ready for some Highland Shareem. Also, LotU, Strider's book? We already knew about Paris, but I was truly surprised to see Strider go all Hello, Nurse! over that archangel, no matter how weird he felt about it, which leads me to think that the follow-on series is Going to Go To There. This is appropriate since LotU is the most bromantic Supernatural Skittles series I've ever read. I'm just surprised it took them thousands of years to get to this point.

But to answer your question about *infidelity*, SM:

How large in women's fantasies do you think being *cheated on*, having another woman *chosen* over you, actually looms? Check back in a thousand years and I think you'll get the same answer. When one *does* see that storyline, it's going to be part of a complex backstory, and the book is going to be about reconciliation. That hardly counts as "trashy books with all of the infidelity." It takes a mature author to write that, and a mature reader to read it, and many mature readers still read to escape such things, so you still don't see that very often.

That leaves the woman as the only possible cheater. Female leads have to do a number of things. They have to not be boring, but also not so specific that they irritate the reader and interrupt her self-insertion, should she desire to read that way. They have to not be of any "type" that *enrages* women. This includes stupid women, Mean Girls, and guess what? Women who cheat on their own relationships or in someone else's. So, you don't find it there, either. No amount of inner monologuing, no amount of current-husband villainy, excuses it. No one wants to read active scenes of husbandly villainy anyway. Backstory sure, but suffering in the moment? Gah, no.

The emotional argument must make sense to a *female audience*. A woman is not fooled by another woman's excuses. I normally don't speak in extremes, like "never" and "always," but when I write these things, I'm not relying upon my (admittedly vast and comprehensive) reading experience but upon what actual editors at the actual publishing houses reject.

An argument that romance has to win is "Why these people? Why him for her? Why her for him?" Especially that latter. Why *her*? Do you see how a heroine that the female reader *dislikes* is going to destroy that argument? Hell, I don't like it IRL when men of any value whatsoever end up with women I dislike. I'm certainly not going to pay to *read* that.

Remember romance is about a *relationship*. It has to be emotionally satisfying. This no longer means it must have a HEA for all involved (though usually, it still does). But it means it has to make sense to one's understanding of human emotion and of the patterns and forms of, quite frankly, limerence. So some (like the Black Tar Heroin I mentioned upthread) may clearly, if one considers it, be infidelity waiting to happen. But it's simply not going to be part of the storyline.

Some may consider multiple partners involved in a romantic relationship to be cheating, and I can't help that. I don't. I consider consensual relationships of any configuration between any number of indisputably un-coerced adults to be perfectly above-board. One thing that makes this possible in romance - well, in books period - is that neither in film nor in life does one have access to the interiors of all involved. In books, all points of view are available. I can know, with absolute certainty, that everyone participating is on board. Otherwise it is not emotionally satisfying. It's vexing, and I have to worry about people. I don't think I've ever read a menarriage where you didn't have access to the inner monologue of all parties involved. There was one time I thought that's what was going on, but it turned out there weren't really five guys, just split-off aspects of one guy waiting to be re-integrated, which became obvious about 1/2 through.

So, in conclusion: no, not even in "erotica," where that erotica is supposed to be romantic.

I'm not really sure why anyone would assume that in order to have romance, there must be loads of infidelity, anyway. Especially on an infidelity site. A romance - like a marriage - can be very exciting and satisfying and fulfilling without anyone cheating on anyone else.

BTW, NA, on the subject of 20 year age differences. That is basically my biggest turn-off, but...really, "What I Did For a Duke"? I should not have rejected it out of hand. It is brilliant, and it could not be what it is *without* that age difference. RECOMMEND.

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Yeah what she said.


LadyV, it will be very interesting to see what happens in the LotU followups. You don't just introduce some hot angel action like that and then set them on the shelf.
I will not have it.

Also, have the latest Ashley in my TBR pile. Just been working my way towards it.

Oh, and haven't read any of the Long yet but it has been talked up by so many people I'm going to grab one right now and add it to the pile.


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I'm feelin' the angel and I'm feelin' Lazarus. She writes four books a year, basically, there's no way she's really *quitting* LotU. Just moving in a new and hopefully MMF direction.

I really liked the Strider/Kaia thing. I like how she has a little theme going on in the book that maps to the demon in question. Like in this one, the theme is "If you're in love, when one of you wins you both win." Simple but effective, this device of hers.

I'm so dubious about Sienna. I know she's inevitable but my god, am I tired of watching Paris mope around. I understand, you're tired of being a manwhore, but it's gone on too long for me and you knew her like a half hour, damn. Now I want it to turn out to be someone else, someone he's overlooked. I'm sure I'll change my mind next book when I'm reminded about how she's not pretty. If you're going to wind up with Paris you just cannot be pretty. He's got that covered.

I read Long's entire backlist over the weekend, and all but one of the Pennyroyals was good (skip Chase's). One or two others were good. To Love a Thief comes to mind. It's nice to have a hero who has a regular job. He's a barrister. He's not a gambling den owner who grew up in the rookery of St Giles, he's not titled (yet), he has to have a job to live.

But What I Did for a Duke is the only one that's magnificent. It's the fifth Pennyroyal but I read it first and barely noticed.

I think the new Elizabeth Hoyt comes out soon! Like 2 weeks!

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Ahhhh, but the interesting thing is that Sienna is going to be taken over by the Demon of Wrath.
So can you imagine what is going to happen when Wrath and Promiscuity end up together?

That isn't going to be pretty.

She is going to spill the deets of a LotU spin off in another month or two.


So jacked up about the Hoyt. I have been DYING to read Silence's story! You just know it's got to be awesome since the "hero" is of such dubious character.


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Grudgefucks-R-Us?

I know, this particular set-up in the Hoyt is one of my favorites.

Who do you think the Ghost of St Giles is? I think it's Winter. Another one of my favorites is the Sexy Minister type. He's not a minister, I don't think, but he counts what with being all noble and dedicated to his cause and such.

Do you read Liz Carlyle? Cole, from A Woman Scorned. THAT is what I'm talking about.

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Oh, I absolutely think it's Winter also.

The next book has to be about him.
It's called Thief of Shadows.


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Oh! and duh! Guess what is released today????

Hello Thea Harrison!


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HOLY SHIT I LOVE YOU!

Also, I started timing out Ghost appearances to Winter appearances and there was only one time where it seemed like he couldn't have gotten changed quickly enough.

I see Good Reads has it marked as Winter's book. Absolutely has to be him. He's not frail. He's the goddamn Batman.

Now I'm all impatient for that one. I'll be reading the Silence/Mickey book and not really enjoying it fully because I'm waiting around for Winter. I've liked him the most all along!

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So I started re-reading the Hoyts and I have changed my mind. Now I'm going to bet on Wakefield. Not only does he have Bruce Wayne's exact childhood trauma, but he is A. Mentioned early in book 1 for no good reason since he doesn't appear (his politics wrt gin are discussed) and B. Likely to be skilled with the blade. That was an aspect that kind of bothered me first read, with Winter...I know Winter's upbringing. The Ghost fights with a sword in one hand and a dagger in the other and is a badass. Where would Winter have learned that? And been able to keep it secret from his family?


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I didn't even think of Wakefield.

Hmmmm, but what about Winter?

Don't tell me he is going to be left to be some kind of afterthought side story?

Just thinking out loud now...
While it would be nice if it were Winter what does it really matter?
Isn't it enough that Winter is a truly lovely man (albeit horribly beta) who does wonderful things with his life?
Why do I have the want for him to be 'more' than he already is?

I think I just gave myself a little reality check re. heroes.

Regardless that book can't come out fast enough!

On a side note, I noticed the guy on the cover of Winter's book is a nice blondie for you.


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Also, we just got a detailed description of what sounds like Wakefield's Batcave.

That's exactly what I was thinking. Why am I disappointed at the idea that it's not Winter? Can't he still be attractive without secretly being anything other than what he is?

Yes, well, vicars, like virgins, should be blond. And I like beta heroes. A *lot*.

Wait...hey, Winter could be a virgin! He really should be, come to think of it. Relevant to my interests!

But where did you see the cover?

He's definitely not being relegated to a side story. She has it up on her site that it's Winter's book.

I'm gonna say that the girl is the thief. Generally we do provide Mary Magdalen types to the sexy vicars. Somebody has to be bad.

But okay, now I'm looking at a scene where the timing doesn't work out for Wakefield, but it's similar to a scene in book 1 where the timing didn't work out for Winter so I'm torn.

Re-read them, NA, see what you think.

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eh, guess he's really more tawny hair than blonde.

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For some reason I thought he wore glasses. He's not impressing me. Nerdier, people, nerdier. No need for man cleavage, that's not his vibe. Come on.

And if he's blond she shouldn't be.

Re: the new Thea Harrison. Aww, Desmond and Penny.

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Thea Harrison... sheeeew!

That was one trippy ride!


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Sort of Desmond and Penny and also umm...Daniel Farraday and Charlotte, I thought. A blend. Obviously a Lost fan, though.

I actually am more excited about the preview for the next one, with the djinn! I have rarely read about a djinn hero, and *never* dealt with a heroine who was the Oracle of Delphi, so I'm intrigued!

Just got done with the new Courtney Milan. You know, I keep trying so hard to like her, and I like her story setups, the *idea* of them, but they never come off very well when I read them. And this was Mark, the brother of the hero from a few books back, and a *virgin*, and still it did not work for me.


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Absolutely loved the Oracle!
Great set up there!

Haven't heard anything or see the new Milan yet.
I really did like the other one she did, though.


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So I read this:

http://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Shades-of-Grey-ebook/dp/B0052U59F4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1318249245&sr=8-2

And it was really good. I'm about to describe it in a very off-putting yet accurate manner:

It's like an early 90s Jayne Ann Krentz blended with Twilight except without teenagers or any supernatural element, and also some BDSM that won't make your eyes roll back so far in your head you can't even finish reading it.

I get to lend this and the sequel out once each on Kindle, PM me if interested.


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Oh lord.

Weremotorcycles.

Also, just read one where she ordered up one incubus and got two, and the younger one was like, My name is Dantalion, I'll be your incubus this evening. And she was like umm, I only ordered one. And the other said "This one's in training, I hope you don't mind?" Well, *okaaaaaay*.

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What the hell are you talking about? lol

What is a weremotorcycle?
Is this like transformers romantica or something?


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The spirit of Anima gave Jung the magical ability to create perfect men apparently because his work was less misogynistic than that of many of his contemporaries and he chose to go into the motorcycle business and make perfect men (naturally attuned to one speshul womyn, of course) who shift into motorcycles.

It should be a tv series. We'll call it Knight Ride'im.


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Brings a whole new meaning to 'Easy Rider'.


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This series is really good:

http://www.amazon.com/Guilty-Phoenix-Rising-Book-ebook/dp/B005HBYQ34/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1318940584&sr=8-7

I've only read the second and the fourth. The fourth is really *really* good.

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I'll fix the shitty names

Just read this.

THIS ALONE would be a major improvement. W loves paranormal romance, but the stupid names annoy her a great deal. She'll tell me, and I'm like, "WTF? Seriously?" She's currently into some of the Highlander-type vampires. They don't have those shitty names, apparently.

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When I get them in an editable format I fix names, turn blonde women into brunettes or redheads, turn inappropriately dark-haired male virgins into appropriate blonds, etc. Sometimes when I don't like the euphemisms being used for ladyparts I will fix that, too. I read this one where she kept calling it her "gate."

Does your wife read JR Ward? Rhage, Vishous, Phury, other names that have had Hs added indiscriminately?


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NA!!

You know how Scandalous Desires has a release date of October 24?

I pre-ordered it on Kindle and saw that there was one that was being released 10/18, so I thought what the hell, I'll see if maybe there's a glitch.

IT IS NOT A GLITCH.

IT IS ON MY KINDLE.

http://www.amazon.com/Scandalous-Desires-Maiden-Lane-ebook/dp/B004QX07E6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1318970592&sr=8-2

There is a preview for Winter's book at the end!

Also, I totally cheated and read the epilogue so now I know who the Ghost is!

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LOL Bitch!!!!

I know what you are doing for the next little bit!

Was Ghost who we thought?


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Do you *REALLY* want to know?

The Ghost is not a shock, but you pretty quickly see his package, which I found oddly embarrassing.

The fact that I found it oddly embarrassing is probably a spoiler.


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Yes and no.

I don't know.

Guess I'll wait (or hold out as long as I can and then beg you for the reveal lol)


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In excellent news, Winter's heroine is a baron's widow, stinking rich, has had a few lovers, and at 32 is 7 years older than he is.

I fully support these choices


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You go Winter!
It's always the still waters that run deep.


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LadyV, I don't think so.

WTF? Phury? Rhage? OMG. How scorn-inducing.

If you're going to add indiscriminate Hs, at least come up with something original. Even if it's foolish-sounding, it couldn't be worse than the above. *shaking head*


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Vishous.

Rehvenge.

Qhuinn.

I could go on...

NA.

I'm not trying to spoil you, but I simply must insist upon a proper explanation for how the Ghost has managed to pick up the ability to fight with two longswords with no off-hand penalty since he is not a Ranger.

In other news, my goodness, Winter is tightly wound. I think Elizabeth Hoyt is as impatient as we are. I kind of feel like she's giving the main storyline short shrift, but she's *killing* me with him. Killing. Me.

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Thoughts on the Merry Gentry series by Laurell K. Hamilton? I've just finished book 1. I'm pleasantly surprised with the character build-up. They're more substantial than I expected. (i.e., not just pretty fairies!)


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LadyV, W read HALF of one JR Ward book, did not like. And the superfluous Hs irked her too (of course). That has to be one of the dumbest things for character names. Seriously. W's own maiden name has an odd H in it, so she may have even less patience with it than we do.

She read LKH, and came to detest Anita Blake in the books following Obsidian Butterfly. She had intended to read the whole series, but the books started annoying her so much that she gave that up.

Trashy books aren't supposed to piss you off, I don't think.

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NA, W also mentioned Nalini Singh; she is reading those books right now.

LOL funny story - she was at the library, had an overdue trashy book. The wrinkled up old prune at the counter said, in a LOUD voice so everyone in line behind could hear, "You still have an overdue book. THE VAMPIRE AND THE VIRGIN. THE VAMPIRE AND THE VIRGIN was due 11 days ago." W turned all kinds of shades of red; one doesn't necessarily want all of one's fellow library patrons to know that you've been enjoying THE VAMPIRE AND THE VIRGIN for 11 extra days.

All old prune-face needed was a megaphone!


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Nam, the Merry Gentry books are better to me overall than the ABs, because there is no genre switch. It's exactly as it reads on the tin, from the start. And yes, it is definitely post Obsidian Butterfly when it goes off the rails. OB is probably the best of the series, but I'm an Edward fangirl, and I always picture him as Sark from Alias. I live in fear that someday I will hear a report that Edward has become a victim of the ardeur.

But MG is full of the same negotiations about sex, 30 pages of debate and then 5 pages of sex. I did like it, think I stopped around #4. IIRC a female who is not Merry is actually allowed to exist as neither a villain nor a Merry-supplicant, which is refreshing.

CB, your wife might want to give BDB #3 a shot. His name is unfortunately Zsadist, but it should really be Mhasochist. I can help her find a sanitized version if necessary. Truly, the name Fury is displeasing, but when considered beside Phury...yeah. I can't tolerate Vicious, though, so he is just V. Every time I saw "Vishous" my brain thought "Vichyssoise." It's difficult enough to turn off one's absurdity filter so one can ignore the fact that he's a 300 year old leather daddy vampire who is too embarrassed by the fact that he is MISSING ONE NUT to take off his pants in front of anyone. Combined with Vichyssoise, it was just...

But srsly, if I was a 300yo vampire I would have plenty of other worries, and certainly being nut-challenged wouldn't still loom large in my psyche.

Oh whooops, spoiler alert: V only has one nut. Ruined it for n00bs, sorry.

Anyway, the Zsadist book is good, if you like extreme manpain, which I do. Poor sufferin' bastards.

Singh has two series, Psy-Changeling and Archangel. Have not read the former, have the latest Archangel lined up but having a hard time remembering where the last one left off so keep planning to re-read that one.

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I didn't consider the Merry Gentry series to be a waste of time for me. (that is my way of saying that they were good just not the 'best' lol)

I can't stand the Anita Blake and won't read them ever since she became some kind of super slut in whatever book it was. From then on they were just an excuse for her to sleep with everything that was breathing (or not) in her general vicinity.

I do like the JR Ward. I just ignore the names.


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NA!

I emailed Elizabeth Hoyt this morning and pleaded with her by all that is holy to PLEASE tell me Winter is a virgin, and she emailed back and said that he is...at the beginning of the book, at least!

!!!!!!!


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That is awesome!
I'm so happy you enjoy her as much as I do.


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Oh, for crying out loud, it's the 21st century. He could get an implant and be just fine. Then he could take his clothes off whenever he wanted.


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Sorry Crossbow, but there is no sexy suffering when things are fixed by surgery.

We need the psychological torture, man!


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LOL NA, maybe that's why my W is the fan of supernatural trashy books and I'm not

Suffering intense body shame for centuries when it can be fixed by surgery (possible for decades now) just seems silly to me, like a creature wearing a mask that never comes off because s/he's ashamed of a large, deformed nose. A couple grand, a few weeks of discomfort, and voila! - life changed forever!

Then their lives are opened for other reasons of angst.


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Well, sometimes you have to deal with supernatural healing abilities. Also in his defense I believe he lost the nut in an emotionally devastating way...it was something about growing up in a vicious (hahaha) sort of gladiator camp, I think his dad was the boss but it was one of those things where it is worse for you if your dad's the boss, it was a rapey sort of place, and the nut removal occurred as part of a larger incident that left a lot of scarring and he had to maybe rape some other guy. Like it was a rape or be raped thing. And he was pretty young.

I think she intended him to be gay and the publisher nixed it, so he ended up with a woman who seemed manly to him, which is not at all offensive! If I had known you can flip gay guys just by being manlier I would've maybe learned about cars and team sports! Later on she managed to get some actual gay guys in there, probably because she sells so well.

I still liked the series through his book, though.


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It is a desperate time. I haven't slept in two days and now my beloved new Forester looks like it's not coming to be with me after all.

NewAttitude, I need something to read. I gotta have a hit, and I can't get my own hit because it'd take a hit for me to get it together so I could take a hit.

Plus, I can't let the deepest, most intellectually stimulating thread on the site just *die*.

ETA: Wait. I COULD READ BARRONS AGAIN. IT HAS BEEN LONG ENOUGH.

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Ooooooh

Barrons


Awwwwwwwwwww

You already sucked up my Sylvia Day suggestion.

I haven't read anything new that YOU haven't read in the last couple of days.
So I guess I'm voting Barrons.

Besides, he's such a densely packed guy that you are sure to glean some new nugget about him no matter how many times you reread.
I look forward to the report.

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Girl, I have sucked up everything Sylvia Day has ever written. If her grocery lists were available on Amazon, I would buy them. And after only a cursory glance at a few file sharing networks, even. Still trying to deconstruct her sex scenes to figure out how she manages to make creampies *romantic*.


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Must I read Demonica before Lords of Deliverance?

Lothaire is out next Tuesday! Lord_v is so excited! We pre-ordered it on Kindle even though it's $12, because as he pointed out it's really just $6 a piece.

I have been reading traditional Regencies to de-porn a bit. Recommend The Fortune Hunter, Diane Farr. Had never heard of her, but she had her rake hero inform the heroine that reformed rakes make the best husbands, and the heroine rolled her eyes and informed him there are no such things as reformed rakes, which is meta and hilarious. Also trying to read the Alien Huntress series, figured I'd start with the latest since it showed up on a virgin heroes list on GoodReads, but I am afraid the guy is a salamander, which is a smidge of a stumbling block.

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There are no salamanders.

I think Demonica is, in itself, a rewarding series to read and it certainly doesn't hurt since they are being featured in a major way in the Lords.

I just read the latest Caris Roane and really enjoyed it.

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deporn

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ladyvorkosigan- I did not read all 15 pages of comments on this topic, but has anyone suggested the author Bertrice Small? She was responsible for much of my sex-education during high school back in the 80's. LMAO! If you're not familiar, she does historical...Elizabethan England, Scotland, Ireland...but maaaan is it ever something!

I remember my Mom discovering me reading something of hers when I was 17 and she nearly stroked out! Of course that was because she had already read it and that was where I got the idea...*wink*

Her books follow a common heroine, Skye O'Malley, through her life, basically and her numerous well-endowed husbands. I think she has a few other books with distant relatives of Skye as the main characters, but dang, if Skye doesn't do it for ya, I don't know what to tell you.

If you want something more ordinary and modern day with a little twist of Dom/Sub thrown in, try 'Fifty Shades of Grey' by E.L. James. The title comes from the main character saying he is 'Fifty Shades of fucked-up'. This started out as fan fiction, believe it or not, titled 'Master of the Universe' and the original characters were Twilight related. The author became so popular she was formally published. This is the official Amazon description:

When literature student Anastasia Steele is drafted to interview the successful young entrepreneur Christian Grey for her campus magazine, she finds him attractive, enigmatic and intimidating. Convinced their meeting went badly, she tries to put Grey out of her mind - until he happens to turn up at the out-of-town hardware store where she works part-time. Erotic, amusing, and deeply moving, the Fifty Shades Trilogy is a tale that will obsess you, possess you, and stay with you forever.
Here is a link: http://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Shades-Grey-L-James/dp/1612130283

It's a trilogy, so you also have 'Fifty Shades Darker':

Daunted by the singular sexual tastes and dark secrets of the beautiful, tormented young entrepreneur Christian Grey, Anastasia Steele has broken off their relationship to start a new career with a Seattle publishing house. But desire for Christian still dominates her every waking thought, and when he proposes a new arrangement, Anastasia cannot resist. They rekindle their searing sensual affair, and Anastasia learns more about the harrowing past of her damaged, driven, and demanding Fifty Shades. While Christian wrestles with his inner demons, Anastasia must confront her anger and envy of the women who came before her and make the most important decision of her life. Erotic, sparkling and suspenseful, Fifty Shades Darker is the irresistibly addictive second part of the Fifty Shades trilogy.

I don't believe the third book is out yet.

Hope this gives you some new reading material!

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I'm pretty sure I mention Bertrice Small upthread. Because of her, I knew what dildos, bestiality, and the Kama Sutra were when I was in the 7th grade. It was the Skye O'Malley series, yep. I think that series actually informed the whole "one chick over a series bangs a vast collection of guys" thing that went on to be Anita Blake and now most paranormal series. It certainly gave me the perspective that serial monogamy is just fine assuming there is informed consent all around. Well, serial monogamy for women. Not for guys, they should be more circumspect.

I don't think I could re-read Skye now, though, because she's a baby. She's only 15 at the start of that series, and Niall is like 36. Even Geoffrey, who is my personal favorite, had to be 30 to her, what, 18 at that point? Fucking Adam may be older than Niall. I hate Niall. It's amazing how I didn't notice that when I was 12. I think it's because in my teens I wasn't aware of the ages of adult men. I figured all the adult men I knew were super super old, probably in their 50s, even if they were only 30. It didn't occur to me that I was reading about a girl 3 years older than me with a guy who was the same age as my friend's dad.

50 Shades of Grey and the sequel were awesome, I enjoyed them very much! I didn't know there was going to be another, though, I'll look out for it.

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I want to thank all you people who love to read about demon screwing and blood sucking, etc. and still manage to appear normal in everyday life. I was feeling a bit deviant, but you all take the cake! haha! I need to go deeper into the world of "scary" trash books obviously. OK Lady V. I am going to give myself the gift of Barrons and hope it works for me! I am off to Amazon to look for him.

You people scare me...but in a good way!

ETA Maybe I shouldn't look for these book recommendations on audiobook? I might get arrested for listening to such vile things!

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You cannot go wrong with Barrons.

Barrons is the gift that just keeps on giving.


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You just let me know when you're to about page 60 on book 4 and I'll prepare the firehose and lemonade and smelling salts for you.

I'll be in my bunk.

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Kresley Cole, son, I am disappoint. This book is not even close to being worthy of Lothaire. Some other basic bitch of a vampire, okay, but not the Enemy of Old, for cryin' out loud. Don't spend 9 books alluding to grand schemes and have it turn out his goal is just a standard type of goal that anybody could have.


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Nooooooooooo!!!!!


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What makes it worse is that there are a couple of Lothaire/Nix scenes, and even in those brief interludes YOU CAN SEE WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

*sobs*
*is inconsolable*


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I absolutely cannot bring myself to buy this book, then.

I will wait until it comes into the store and reluctantly read it with hanky in hand.


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Yeah, don't. It's hardcover, even.

It would be okay if it wasn't Lothaire. Still her worst book, but not an affront to my sensibilities and the crushing of my long-held hopes and dreams.

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Well who are we going to hang our literary hat on now?
Who is the next great hope that we are dying in an agony of suspense to read?


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Thea Harrison. Sylvia Day. Virgin!Winter. LotU Paris. And new KMM Fever trilogy begins fall 2012 (Dani - boo; Christian MacKeltar - yay!; Ryodan - Meh). There's another Fever trilogy after that that's BACK TO BARRONS!

Oh, and Kristoff and Furie of course, it's not like I'm abandoning Kresley Cole. I knew in my heart the second I saw it wasn't Nix that Lothaire was not going to work out. Kristoff and Furie should work out well, though.

End of this month is the new Kate Pearce but I don't know if you've been reading her. It's another one of those MMF Regency setting things that I enjoy to an unseemly degree. I have to say though, when she hit the book in her series where the hero was the major villain from previous books she did a GREAT JOB. If you can ignore the basic premise of the series, which is some weird sex club thing, and just enjoy the weird sex club thing, it is *aces*.

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Virgin!Winter. LotU Paris

Ooooh, yeah!

doh.


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Holy shit, people.

CHARLOTTE STEIN.

She is unbelievable. There are no words. I can probably Kindle-lend a bunch of this stuff.

Sheltered, Control, and All Other Things are...read this woman, folks. She is joining Megan Hart and Cara McKenna in the triumvirate of awesome.


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OOH, how does the Kindle lending work? I'm up for it.


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If Lady V suggests it then I am reading it. Off to look up info on CHARLOTTE STEIN!


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Do you have to read these in any particular order?


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Do you have to read these in any particular order?


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They're all stand alone. Of the three I mentioned, Sheltered is probably the most traditional romance-y, and is m/f. The couple is young, but they have to be for the story to work. It's swoony romantic.

Control is...when I say "femdom" I don't mean like whips, bondage crosses, and leather corsets, because I despise props and costumes and sets in these things, gross. It's just that any hint whatsoever of domliness that is not guy-domliness is unusual and so stands out.The dynamic, though, is that there are two guys, one a little domlier (but really quite switchy), the other quite subby (but has an inner switch). So it's more like, the femdom aspect is...mental and emotional. I don't know how to explain it other than that. Just know that you are not going to encounter any kind of pain things etc. There's a threesome aspect to it but it's not a threesome *romance*, and there's no mm to it. Except mentally, perhaps. It's also much pornier than the rest, starts out almost feeling like Mary Gaitskill or something, but no, it's a romance.

All Other Things is a threesome thing, the dudes are clearly Michael Fassbender and Armie Hammer (I die) and it's highly romantic, but there's one mm thing in there. Let's just say that there is IMO one reason and one reason only why reverse cowgirl would get a thumbs-up from me, and this is it. Otherwise it is not just a pointless position for me as a hetero female observer, but an actively intrusive "bitch will you gtfo of my way, I can't even *see* him" one. And Fassy has lines that are just mind-blowing.

But the important part is that the mental and emotional arguments are beautiful, everything feels authentic, *highly* romantic, the dialogue is sexy and heartbreaking, the sex is scorchingly hot, the guys are *swoon* (but mostly beta types, and if not beta then sweethearts, no arrogant douchebags at all) and she has a clear grounding in the genre because there are quite a few meta elements. Commentary and critique, if you pick up on it.

The Kindle lending thing is that if you have a Kindle account some of these are things I can lend, probably only one time each. PM me the email attached to your account and I'll send you a list of what I can lend. It's usually "loan once for a period of 14 days" thing.

I also have a lot of Cara McKenna and Megan Hart that I can lend once each. The latter might not be to everyone's tastes, but CM's "Willing Victim" was the best thing I read in 2011.

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Just making sure this thread is properly bumped to where I can find it.

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I will be up at my usual 3AM EST. That seems to be when Amazon pushes pre-orders. I guess it's because that's midnight PST.

I re-read select scenes yesterday in preparation. I'm sure there's some sort of paranormal plot going on in there, but tbqh I have paid it no attention whatsoever.

Let's hope for at least 3 more select scenes in this one before their messed-up asses fuck it all up again.


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In yet more Twilight fanfic goes legit news...

Gabriel's Inferno, by Sylvain Reynard, which is based on a fic called The University of Edward Masen by Sebastien Robichaud...who is a dude. A dude in his 60s. And is not gay, which I mention even though I would be more surprised to learn he was, since to my knowledge gay men don't have the same sort of prurient interest in straight hookups that I - I mean some people - have in theirs.

Again, did not realize it was repurposed Twific when reading it. It's actually good! A guy wrote it! Yes, the heroine is a drippy virgin who bites her lip too much, but the guy is entirely relevant to female interests, which was super shocking to me. He writes like a woman. See, Cixous and Irigaray were right!


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You have to check out Bared To You by Sylvia Day it's similar to Shades .

Both Eva and Gideon are f 'ed up from past abused.

I have to agree about Barron's he's to die for.


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I started it and couldn't get into it, and I adore Sylvia Day. I think I just can't read first person POV anymore.


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That's how I felt about the Fever series, I picked up Darkfever and put it down because of the first person veiw, but everyone was raving about the book on Amazon.

Read it and it was downhill from there couldn't put the book down.

Gideon from Bared is just as intense as Barron's focused only on Eva.

I had a wicked dry spell until
Shades and Bared came along.

The next author I'm looking forward to reading comes out later in the fall.

Another author you might like is Shannon Mckenna.


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The next thing I'm plotzing to read is Thief of Shadows, Elizabeth Hoyt. Servicing my male virgin kink there.

I felt like Barrons was special because he was a straight up sociopath. Well, I thought that until I read Heat by R. Lee Smith and found out what a sociopathic hero actually looks like, and decided Barrons is just an unsentimental pragmatist compared to that sick fuck (that was a great book, btw, it gave me Acquired Stockholm Syndrome). Fever really is the last first person POV I could tolerate except for super gifted literotica writers like Cara McKenna, Megan Hart, and Charlotte Stein, who are the triumvirate of awesome (and only Hart sticks to fp all the time). I tolerated Mac, detestable as I found her, for Barrons. Did you read that short story from his POV that she wrote? I don't know how I feel about the reveal there.

I have literally read everything else Sylvia Day has published under any name except Bared to You. I know I'll read it, I just have to get in the mood. That is a woman who does not forget that sex is messy. Just in general, I don't like BDSM content. I tolerate a lot of it, but I would rather it not be there, and if it is, I want it to feel like real things that happen between people and not that whole fantasy BDSM club setup thing. According to BDSM romance, 70% of the businesses in Tampa are BDSM clubs populated by improbably hot people, 25% are BDSM clubs populated by understandably hot vampires, and 5% are architectural firms owned by gay couples who are really just waiting around for a girl to come along to turn them out and complete their happy wholesome menage family. Seriously, Tampa? Anyway, it's just not my kink. The BDSM club part, not the gay architects part. That is totally my kink.

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If you have a kindlefire I can loan you Bared.

Now for sociopathic hero you should try Anne Stuart's Black Ice, Ritual Sins, Moon Rise and Shadow Lover.

If you want to read about BDSM between couples real not the pretend kind (I bate them Too) my auto -buy author is Annabel Joseph she hard core in Mercy, but it's mutual between the two.

Firebird and Comfort Object is another favorite .


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Have you read Linda Lael Miller's vampire series? Forever and the Night & For All Eternity are really the two out of the four I enjoyed. For All Eternity was my favorite, though. I really wish Linda had pursued her other beasts and not just the vamps.

Sexy sexy sex scenes.


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Thanks for the info, ladyv, I went and downloaded "The University of Edward Masen" to read, then added "Master of the Universe" (the story 50 shades is based on) for good measure.

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I don't know if it has been brought up but I love Christine Feehan's Ghost Walker series. These stories would make a hooker blush.

And for a good mystery I read JD Robb (Nora Roberts) In Death Series.


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Bisexual werepumas.

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Okay, middle-aged ladies who read teen romances in the 80s, what is this book?

It is a teen romance from the 80s. The boy's name is Colin, he couldn't read (dyslexic), he was some sort of (MISUNDERSTOOD!) bad boy, I think he ended up in a play with the girl, I think she tutored him in something, and I think it was set in Boston.

I thought it was a Caroline B. Cooney but I actually emailed her and she responded! And said it wasn't hers. =(

In other news, everyone should go read everything by Kristen Ashley. Seriously, everyone will love her. EVERYONE.


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LadyV, I don't know about the book but I had to come out of lurking to tell you that I adore Kristen Ashley- I have devoured every single one of her books.

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Where to start with Kristen Ashley??? I don't want to read out of order.


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With Kristen Ashley she writes different series so you should read the books in order in the series but there is no overall order to all of the books if that makes sense. My favorite series are the Colorado Mountain Men series (in order: The Gamble, Sweet Dreams, Lady Luck, and Breathe) the Rock Chick series. There are 7 books in this series and start with Rock Chick. On her website there is reading order and free sample chapters.

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Thanks smith!!! Right now I am reading a mystery. Will go trashy next round.


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LadyV, Romance Is a Wonderful Thing by Ellen Emerson White?)


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HOLY FUCKING SHIT THAT IS IT!

ROMANCE IS A WONDERFUL THING BY ELLEN EMERSON WHITE!

I just bought it on Amazon!

How did you remember that? Are you a librarian? A psychic? A PSYCHIC LIBRARIAN?!?!?!

I hauled around my entire romance collection, all my teen romances through adulthood, and then the 2004 hurricane season flooded my garage and all was lost.

I'm sorry I didn't check back on this thread, punky! I would say start with the first Rock Chick book, which is just called Rock Chick.

ETA: I just bought a whole bunch of other 80s YA on Amazon! It never even occurred to me to use Good Reads to track shit down like that. And one of my absolute favorites is even on Kindle!

http://www.amazon.com/When-September-Returns-ebook/dp/B004I6D59A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1344794055&sr=8-1&keywords=when+september+returns

I love that fucking book. That book right there is why I understand that the wittiest life of the party guy is maaaaaaaaaybe not the best choice, and why I do not require my H/h* to live HEA.

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I am a high school English teacher; however, I must say being a psychic librarian would be fucking awesome!


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Okay all y'all who picked up some Kristen Ashley, report back!


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Ok, I just got done reading the weirdest series but it was awesome. It was so awesome that I don't care that the author doesn't know the difference between "then" and "than." Seriously, it wasn't a single oversight, it was consistent misuse. Everything is "then." But still! I can overlook that when you're incredibly authentic, interesting, and original. 20 years ago, no, could not have overlooked. Now, am wiser.

It is awesome to *me*, at least, if you like the idea of reading something in which not one single character combines all your standard lead qualities (white, cisgendered, hetero, young, conventionally attractive, privileged). The two lead guys are white, are both in wheelchairs, one due to an accident, one to cerebral palsy. And it's not adorable Walt Jr. from Breaking Bad cp, it's difficult for him, and he requires caregiver assistance. Oh, and he's a ginger. Seriously? And the lead female is black and has an autoimmune disorder and is a home health aide *to one of the guys* (the ginger). Oh, the other lead female is a big butch straight white girl who grew up in foster care. The only two people who are white, hot, straight, and privileged are not young, they're the parents of adult children.

It helped me figure out the thing I love most about romance novels, and that's that they try to take me inside the most personal experience you will ever have: that of living inside your body. I am very attracted to books that reflect something back at me that is familiar about living inside a body, but I've realized I'm even more attracted to things that give me access to imagining what it's like to live in other bodies. There's a lot of sex, sure, but there's just as much body-related unpleasantness. Not like Cronenbergian body horror unpleasantness. Realistic unpleasantness.

Anyway, it's Pepper Pace's "Wheels of Steel" series and I read the whole thing (3 books, probably 1500 pages) yesterday. I can lend them all, if anyone's interested. Probably just me, though.

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Omg! I second the Kristen Ashley recommendation. I've read almost her entire catalog. I would start with the Rock Chick series.


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Okay people! Guess what tomorrow is?

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12444166-iced

Surely Barrons shows up? SURELY HE DOES?

Umm but Dani is 13 or 14 in this. No time has passed. I need at least another decade on this girl, maybe more, before I can get into this Ryodan/Christian triangle. But even then...I can deal with a 24-yo and a 5000-yo dude but not a 24-yo and a 34-yo dude. That's just creepy and wrong. 5000, I mean...A Wizard Did It. So what. But 10 years is toooooooo much.

But who cares? BARRONS!

Another straight up good old-fashioned (but modern levels of sex) couple of things I've read lately are Ruthie Knox's "Ride with Me" and "About Last Night." They're category romances but just extremely well done. ALN is probably better all around, but Ride with Me has such an interesting setting (bike tour across the TransAmerica trail) that I think I preferred it.

So, everyone except me likes male doms, and everyone except me likes BDSM clubs, but I actually did read a male dom BDSM club thing that I thought was good. It is very difficult for me to type the title: My Liege of Dark Haven. I know, I know. Cherise Sinclair. But if I really liked it even though I am not into either of those tropes, I think that says a lot. I don't care for most of her stuff, but this was really good.

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Reporting from 30% into Iced to say:

I forgot what a freaking tease this woman is. It's all coming back to me. How I had to wait FOUR BOOKS. FOUR DAMN BOOKS for action with Barrons.

Even though romance novels are often full of sex, this does not interrupt my basic thesis, which is that romance novels are about not having sex. HOW LONG THIS TIME KAREN?!?! Yet at the same time PLEASE LET IT BE AT LEAST 7 YEARS IN BOOK TIME.

Surprisingly, Dani isn't all that bad. Still fecking and dudeing all over the place but I find her dickishness more tolerable than Mac's.


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Default  Posted: 12:52 PM, October 30th (Tuesday)

Ummm did someone say Barrons (my book BF Barrons) is in Iced????

I'm waiting despertly for May to read the final Sookie book - Eric is my other book BF.


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Default  Posted: 2:30 PM, October 30th (Tuesday)

He is in Iced. Not a ton, but if you have Barrons around very much, nobody is going to pay attention to Ryodan or Christian.

I am almost done with Iced, and I have to say it is actually excellent. The writing is better than any of the Fever books, tbqh.


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Default  Posted: 9:17 PM, October 30th (Tuesday)

I got off on a Dean Koontz tangent somehow.

Will read Kristen Ashley AFTER Iced.

Thanks for the heads up.


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Default  Posted: 9:21 PM, October 30th (Tuesday)

Damn...that book is expensive on Kindle! Oh well.


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Default  Posted: 6:34 PM, November 3rd (Saturday)

I loved Iced. Finished it in a day and now have to wait another year for the next one :( I just love the world and characters KMM creates. I know the next two books are supposed to be Dani/Christian/Ryoday-centric and then we go back to Mac and Barrons for another 3 books(last the author posted). That's another 5 years of Fever world. I'm very happy about that.


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Default  Posted: 7:02 AM, November 5th (Monday)

I thought it was great.

I also thought that there is nothing he actually says or does that he could not say or do if he was Dani's dad. I am not saying he is, though one of those guys has to be, right? She has their superpowers, except diluted. There is of course no way that Dani's observations about his various sexcapades or the vibe she feels could happen if that's the way it's going down, just saying that he is actually not definitely indicating interest. His words and behavior could easily be that of a guy warning a bunch of assholes away from his kid. Just because Christian thinks he was eyeballing her that one time doesn't mean he was. Christian is nuts.

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But Ryodan and Christian both need to step off because Dancer is the man. Who gives zero fucks about their (highly entertaining) dick measuring contest, which indicates he knows his is the biggest. I am kind of thinking his backstory is almost what he states, except instead of Australia it's more like one of the other worlds accessible through the silvers, and now he's trapped here.

But seriously, that scene where he completely schools them and defrosts Dani is epic. I was laughing out loud.

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Default  Posted: 8:59 PM, November 5th (Monday)

Still reading Iced. So not reading the spoilers!

I like it so far.


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Default  Posted: 3:06 PM, November 9th (Friday)

Oh my goodness.

Bond/M 3 fanfic.

It is *tremendous*, and is it just me or is it warm in here?


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Default  Posted: 7:32 AM, November 10th (Saturday)

I just read thru this WHOLE thread and did not even know you guys were down here!! Sheesh....I LOVE trashy books! In fact my husband just made me go thru all of my old paperback book collection that I have kept thru the years and I have BOXES!! Ha!

Since the NOOK came along I no longer have boxes and boxes of books....I sorta miss the good ole paperback but if anyone ever went thru my NOOK?

Susan Johnson was my hot read a long time ago...did not know about Charlotte Stein so just ordered some Belle Andre is good too if you want quick fun reads.


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Default  Posted: 3:31 PM, December 5th (Wednesday)

OH MY GOD.

This! Book!

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15760001-on-dublin-street

Now now, everyone go get it now. I promise it's not one of those weird ones only I like!

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Default  Posted: 7:41 PM, December 5th (Wednesday)

About 70% through Rock Chick--and I like it! However, it's not as compelling to me as Iced. I literally couldn't put that book down


Will try the Dublin Street next.


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Default  Posted: 3:32 PM, December 6th (Thursday)

Couple other excellent contemporaries I've read recently:

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16081272-the-edge-of-never

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15858248-wallbanger


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Default  Posted: 9:26 PM, December 6th (Thursday)

Wallbanger is excellent & IIRC was also born from a Twilight fanfic called "Edward Wallbanger". I should be ashamed I know that but it was a great fanfic lol


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Default  Posted: 4:00 AM, December 7th (Friday)

You know, I'm glad I know next to nothing about Twilight beyond the first one, since 90% of really great contemporary romances seem to have come from Twilight AU fic.

However, I have to say this: if it's AU I don't even see why, except for noting it came with a built-in audience, one bothers to care (like be bovvered by its success) that it was fanfic. It's not like the wireframe of Twilight was innovative. Romance tropes are romance tropes. It's the skinning and the rendering that make the difference.

With 50 Shades I could see some of the wireframe, at least. Vibe, character types, aspirational (he shows her whole new world! A richer one, with an instant family!) but Wallbanger is a totally different wireframe. Nothing in common in terms of vibe or characters, either. It's not told entirely first person, her POV. And it's a comedy - an intentional one, at that. Was it vastly different in fic form?

I can even see how On Dublin Street could be from Twific (or maybe 50 Shades fic). She's not sure he's into her because he runs hot and cold, he's possessive, it's first person her POV, along with him she is provided with a family. But Wallbanger?

You know, I think these days people are reverse-engineering their original work a bit and find/replacing the names, and posting it as Twilight AU. And good for them, understanding guerrilla marketing like that. It's a business.

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Oooooh, I have been busy going through these threads and downloading . THANK GOD for the brown paper cover Kindle!! Ladies, your commission checks will certainly be in the mail . . .

Ok, gettin' to trash - know that I would never read trash like Lauren Dane (loved the Chased series!). And I would never, ever read Undercover (yo baby! *fans face*)

I go between so many genres. I'm reading Clare Delacroix's Jewels of Kinfairlie series, which are a medium simmer, but very nicely written. A little hot sex, a little paranormal, very hunky guys, 1400's Scotland. Check.

Has anyone read John Locke? Definitely not "romantic" but HUGELY entertaining, LOL funny - and definitely not for the faint of heart. He has two or three series going, assassin Donovan Creed (Lethal People is #1, contemporary setting) and I absolutely adore his Emmett Love series (Follow the Stone is #1). What's not to love about a retired gunslinger transporting whores with a nip contest and a hunchback sidekick? You cannot judge this series by any descriptions. You. Just. Can. Not. And they are .99 each, so there's nothing to lose.

Ok, waiting to download a shitload of trashy good stuff!!!! H is out of town, need entertainment


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Default  Posted: 3:37 PM, December 7th (Friday)

PippaPeach6 is namechecking menage titles.

COME SIT BY ME.

Girl can I ever *hook you up*.

Here's my menage list:

http://www.goodreads.com/review/list/3838951?shelf=menage

Here's my MMF/+ list:

http://www.goodreads.com/review/list/3838951?shelf=mmf

If they're on menage but not MMF they're straight guys. You can see where my loyalties lie.

You'll have to be a member to view my lists. =)

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Default  Posted: 5:15 PM, December 7th (Friday)

And it's a comedy - an intentional one, at that. Was it vastly different in fic form?

No, it wasn't vastly different from the fic at all. Edward Wallbanger was also an intentionally hilarious story & was quite the hit on fanfiction.net (also where 50 Shades began before she put it on her own website).

You're so right about it being a business though. I remember when E.L. James ( posting as Snowqueens Icedragon on Twitter) announced she would be publishing 50 Shades and the "fandom" went insane because they thought it was stealing from Stephanie Meyer. James then said she already had the story formed in her head but then wrote it with Edward & Bella to capitalize on the Twilight craze...and it worked because even though I read the original "Master of the Universe" for free, I still bought all 3 books and so did many others

There's another really good Twilight fic that was published, I believe it's called "Poughkeepsie". I've read the fic, but not the published story so I'm not sure of the changes but it isn't really a trashy book, but very good all the same!

I'll look around the net & my fanfic files on my laptop to see if anyone has Edward Wallbanger if anyone's interested; it has to be one of my all time favorite Twilight fanfics...and sadly, I've read a lot


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Default  Posted: 6:59 PM, December 7th (Friday)

Sure, I'll read it. I really enjoyed Wallbanger, though honestly, they took so long to get around to doing anything I got nervous and searched for cock just to make sure at some point there was going to be cock. I don't REQUIRE it, but if there isn't going to be any I want to know ASAP.

I told my husband the other week that my theory was that EL James wrote that in the 90s. Everything about it feels so 90s. She didn't even fix up the language to sound American. Americans don't say "sort yourself out," etc. And good for her if she did.

Cara McKenna, who is one of my favorites, has gotten so much money from me this year. It's not that no one else is doing this, but she's the perfect example. She releases Curio summer 2011. It's 3.99 and is long novella length. And starting August 2011 she publishes one "Curio Vignette" a month, five total, ending this month...short novella, 3.99 each. Put together the whole thing is maybe a 6000 on Kindle, but one 6000 would go for what, 6.99? This 6000 is $24! I have enormous respect for people who work out new ways to get my money.

Really, romance is practically following a blog model these days. Always. Be. Updating.

I think I tried to start Poughkeepsie and got bored. Right now I'm reading a CR called The Mighty Storm which was 3.99, I think, but it's over 16000 on Kindle. Jesus. The longest Kristen Ashley wasn't even that long and that bitch goes on forever. I like these people who write very long things for 3.99 or less. Established authors get more money for stuff that doesn't occupy me for more than 4 hours. They're like hotels. The more they cost, the less value they provide.


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Default  Posted: 10:24 PM, December 7th (Friday)

I'll look for Edward Wallbanger for you, Lady V Since it's been published, I know it's no longer on fanfiction.net but I may have the PDF file or know someone who does.

OK...I've read most of this thread so I may have missed it but does anyone have any good BDSM Erotica recs? I tend to not want to pay more than $6.99 for a Kindle book..well I prefer free, but still...I'm cheap I've found quite a few free BDSM books on Amazon but the majority are less than 100 pages & I like something I can sink my teeth into. Nothing too hardcore (like forced rape) but not too light ( I considered 50 Shades WAY light).

Thanks in advance!


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Default  Posted: 5:12 AM, December 8th (Saturday)

Mdom, Fdom, either? Can the guys be bi? Can there be guys as opposed to a guy? Can there be only guys? Are you talking like Captive in the Dark or like Club Shadowlands? Do you not care if it's absurd like Club Shadowlands and the rest of the improbable BDSM club in Tampa or similar genre? When you say 50 Shades was too light you mean in the way it was written, which was low on the dirty writing scale, or the acts portrayed, like you'd want to see more, err...descriptions of BDSM activities?

I end up reading a lot of these just because there are so many of them but it isn't my thing, since you rarely find Fdom and the men in these books, though sure maybe hot, almost never strike me as people who are suited for leadership positions. Also I don't care for props so anything that includes any floggin' and figgin' (seriously ladies, you don't have to throw in everything you read about in Screw the Roses, Send Me the Thorns, mmmkay?) so I only really get into it when it seems life-sized.

My favorite life-size BDSM-adjacent genuinely sexy book is Willing Victim by Cara McKenna. Switchy.

My favorite improbable BDSM club in Tampa or similar Mdom is My Liege of Dark Haven.

Life-size Fdom, many things by Charlotte Stein, probably Control if I had to pick one. Lots of things by Megan Hart have that vibe.

Improbable Fdom...Joey Hill, Natural Law. However, it should be noted this is probably the only tolerable title in its category, so...

Menage BDSM, Kele Moon, Beyond Eden. Mmf.

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Default  Posted: 6:34 AM, December 9th (Sunday)

Lady V - You rock! Love some of your recs!

Just read Wallbanger....I agree that it is a funny book but took too long for some real action. But very easy read and I too read it in a day as I did find it a fast paced and enjoyable book.

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Default  Posted: 3:25 PM, December 10th (Monday)

Oooh, just rediscovered another seriously *trashy* Victorian series in my Kindle account, the four books in the Last Man standing series by Victoria Alexander. #1 is A Little Bit Wicked.

my, my those wicked people!


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Me: Omg I just read a romance where there's *snowballing*.

Lord_v: <looks queasy>

Me: I mean I did sort of read something like that one time but it was mmf and it was the dudes but this is *hetero*.

Lord_v: <looks queasier>

Me: And it's not even like she has some sort of kink background. She sells insurance, she sounds like she shops at Kohl's. How you gonna go from zero to snowballing like that? It takes more than a tatted up pierced guy to take you from Kohl's to snowballin' in 70 pages. I mean he scoops that shit out of her and like shoves it in her mouth and kisses her. WHAT.

Lord_v: Well, at least it wasn't felching.

Me: There will never be felching.

Lord_v: <arches eyebrow>

Me: There is no felching in Romancelandia. There will never be felching in Romancelandia.

...

If there is ever felching in Romancelandia I will stop reading romance novels. That is how confident I am that there is no felching in Romancelandia.

Lord_v: <trots downstairs to the computer room>

Me: You're going to go look up felching in romance novels, aren't you.

Lord_v: I'm sure gonna try.

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Default  Posted: 10:42 AM, December 17th (Monday)

You'd think, after everything that I've seen/ heard/ experienced/ captured via keylogger, that I'd be up on all the lingo but I seriously had to jump over to Urban Dictionary to make sure "snowballing" was what I thought it was.

Yep, it was.


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I saw the post a couple of posts up about BDSM that wasn't too light. There's a series out called the original sinners series by Tiffany Reisz that so far has 3 books in it and a bunch of short stories that are free on her website (the short stories are free, the books aren't). The books in order are The Siren, The Angel, and The Prince. There is also a Novella called Seven Day Loan available. I will warn you these aren't for the faint of heart in any way shape or form.

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Aww, Charlotte Stein's Addicted is so sweet. And pervy. The hero is full of so many "I can't be like that guy in 50 Shades of Grey" self-doubts. I love romance because it loves guys.


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Default  Posted: 9:28 PM, January 26th (Saturday)

Love love love this thread. Thank you!!!

Just finished Charlotte Stein's Addicted.


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Default  Posted: 4:53 PM, January 27th (Sunday)

It's not her best, but of her frequently used hero types, I like that blend of Enthusiastic American Puppydog plus Manwhore Service Top quite a lot. She hasn't put those two together in one package before.

Overall I think All Other Things is my fave of hers.


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Default  Posted: 3:42 PM, February 1st (Friday)

Does anyone else read Shannon McKenna's McCloud series?

If so were you aware that Miles gets his own book in September?!

It has been a long journey from him living in his parents basement, having terrible acne, and getting treated like shit by that cow Cindy. Bless his heart, so much affection for him.


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Default  Posted: 6:42 AM, February 14th (Thursday)

Just read Maya Banks first in a new trilogy.

Rush.

Took a couple of chapters to get going then I could not put it down. Good trashy read!


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If you like turn of the century characters then I just read:

Scandlous Lovers by Robin Schone

Takes a bit for the characters to fall into place but again once I got there could not put it down. Read it in one day. I still like the good guy winning yet wanting some hot sex! And this one is also good for us over 40 crowd who thinks they won't find happiness the 2nd time around.


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Robin Schone is a trailblazin' hero for getting totally porny in the early 90s...

But man, those partial...

Sentence paragraphs of hers..they are just...

So bizarre.

Just read the new Kristen Ashley Chaos book and she has almost cured herself of annoying hero tics. It's 3/4 of the way through before she falls back on that "beauty" crap and I swear he used a personal pronoun at least once. He also apologized for a specific offense and barely even demanded she instantly let go of her deserved anger in the wake of him saying "Sorry." Progress, people!


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Default  Posted: 11:54 AM, April 12th (Friday)

Lady V you do crack me up!

I am weird that way where I fluctuate between sweet and funny sexy to strait out lay it down funky dirty racey etc.....thats why I always like to hear what other people are reading.

Like others had said, lets hope no one decides to look thru my Nook to see what I am REALLY reading.


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Default  Posted: 2:19 AM, May 8th (Wednesday)

I saw the post a couple of posts up about BDSM that wasn't too light. There's a series out called the original sinners series by Tiffany Reisz that so far has 3 books in it and a bunch of short stories that are free on her website (the short stories are free, the books aren't). The books in order are The Siren, The Angel, and The Prince. There is also a Novella called Seven Day Loan available. I will warn you these aren't for the faint of heart in any way shape or form.

Wellllll it only took me 5 1/2 months to come back to this but I just downloaded The Siren on my Kindle Sounds like something right up my alley & I'm looking forward to it, thank you!!!


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starrysky- hope you like it, it can be triggery and uncomfortable to read at times but I enjoyed the series.

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