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Default  Posted: 8:54 PM, June 11th (Saturday)

"A Dance with Dragons", the long awaited next in line book of the "Song of Fire and Ice" series will be out next month (Jul 12)!!!

For those of you who are unfamiliar with this fantasy series, it is utterly fantastic. The books in the series are:
1. A Game of Thrones
2. A Clash of Kings
3. A Storm of Swords
4. A Feast for Crows
5. A Dance with Dragons (to be released Jul 12)


This review from amazon.com sums it up VERY nicely:

By MISTER SJEM "sonofhotpie
This review is from: A Game of Thrones (A Song of Ice and Fire, Book 1) (Mass Market Paperback)

First off, I'm a heavy duty fan of GRRM. I've read over a 100 different fantasy authors in my time (started at 12; I'm now 32). Took about 5 years off from the genre b/c I felt it was all getting too formulaic and cliched.

So, when I came back to fantasy at the end of 1999, I read the usual: Goodkind, Jordan, etc. and then someone told me about GRRM and man, that was the kicker!

Here are the reasons to choose GRRM. I've also listed the reasons not to choose him to make it fair b/c I know their are certain personalities who won't like this series:

WHY TO READ GRRM

(1) YOU ARE TIRED OF FORMULAIC FANTASY: good lad beats the dark lord against impossible odds; boy is the epitome of good; he and all his friends never die even though they go through great dangers . . . the good and noble king; the beautiful princess who falls in love with the commoner boy even though their stations are drastically different . . . you get the idea. After reading this over and over, it gets old.

(2) YOU ARE TIRED OF ALL THE HEROES STAYING ALIVE EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE UNDER CONSTANT DANGER: this gets even worse where the author kills a main hero off but that person comes back later in the story. Or, a hero does die but magic brings him back.

This sometimes carries to minor characters where even they may not die, but most fantasy authors like to kill them off to show that some risked the adventure and perished.

(3) YOU ARE A MEDIEVAL HISTORY BUFF: this story was influenced by the WARS OF THE ROSES and THE HUNDRED YEARS WAR.

(4) YOU LOVE SERIOUS INTRIGUE WITHOUT STUPID OPPONENTS: lots of layering; lots of intrigue; lots of clever players in the game of thrones. Unlike other fantasy novels, one side, usually the villain, is stupid or not too bright.

(5) YOU ARE INTERESTED IN BIASED OPINIONS AND DIFFERENT TRUTHS: GRRM has set this up where each chapter has the title of one character and the whole chapter is through their viewpoint. Interesting tidbit is that you get their perception of events or truths. But, if you pay attention, someone else will mention a different angle of truth in the story that we rarely see in other novels. Lastly and most importantly, GRRM doesn't try to tell us which person is right in their perception. He purposelly leaves it vague so that we are kept guessing.

(6) LEGENDS: some of the most interesting characters are those who are long gone or dead. We never get the entire story but only bits and pieces; something that other fantasy authors could learn from to heighten suspense. Additionally, b/c the points of views are not congruent, we sometimes get different opinions.

(7) WORDPLAY: if you're big on metaphors and description, GRRM is your guy. Almost flawless flow.

(8) LOTS OF CONFLICT: all types, too; not just fighting but between characters through threats and intrigue.

(9) MULTILAYERED PLOTTING; SUB PLOTS GALORE: each character has their own separate storyline; especially as the story continues and everyone gets scattered. This is one of the reasons why each novel is between 700-900 pages.

(10) SUPERLATIVE VARIED CHARACTERS: not the typical archetypes that we are used to in most fantasy; some are gritty; few are totally evil or good; GRRM does a great job of changing our opinions of characters as the series progress. This is especially true of Jaime in book three.

(11) REALISTIC MEDIEVAL DIALOGUE: not to the point that we can't understand it but well done.

(12) HEAPS OF SYMOBLISM AND PROPHECY: if you're big on that.

(13) EXCELLENT MYSTERIES: very hard to figure out the culprits; GRRM must have read a lot of mystery novels.

(14) RICHLY TEXTURED FEMALE CHARACTERS: best male author on female characters I have read; realistic on how women think, too.

(15) LOW MAGIC WORLD: magic is low key; not over the top so heroes can't get out of jams with it.


REASON TO NOT READ GRRM

(1) YOU LIKE YOUR MAIN CHARACTERS: GRRM does a good job of creating more likeable characters after a few die. But, if that isn't your style, you shouldn't be reading it. He kills off several, not just one, so be warned.

(2) DO NOT CARE FOR GRITTY GRAY CHARACTERS: if you like more white and gray characters, this may unsettle you. I suggest Feist or Goodkind or Dragonlance if you want a more straight forward story with strong archetypes.

(3) MULTIPLE POINTS OF VIEWS TURN YOU OFF: if you prefer that the POVS only go to a few characters, this might be confusing for you.

(4) SWEARING, SEX: there's a lot of it in this book just as there is in real life.

(5) YOU DEMAND CLOSURE AT THE END OF EVERY BOOK: this isn't the case for all stories in the series. Some are still going on; some have been resolved; others have been created and are moving on.

(6) IF YOU WANT A TARGET OR SOMEONE TO BLAME: this can be done to some extent but not as much. This is b/c he doesn't try to make anyone necessarily good or evil.

(7) ARCHETYPES: some readers like archetypal characters because it's comfortable; we like the good young hero (sort of like Pug in Feist's THE RIFTWAR SAGA); it's familiar and we sometimes like to pretend we're this upcoming, great hero. You wont' get much of this in GRRM with the exception of one or two characters.

(8) LENGTH: you don't want to get into a long fantasy epic series. In that case, look for shorters works as this is biiig.

(9) PATRIARCHY: men are most of the main characters with lots of power (one female exception).


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Default  Posted: 9:00 PM, June 11th (Saturday)

And now I'm off to reread all of the books before the new one comes out!


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Default  Posted: 2:02 PM, June 12th (Sunday)

Are you watching Game of Thrones on HBO? It is really good.

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Default  Posted: 4:28 PM, June 12th (Sunday)

We dont get HBO and the series isnt available on Netflix yet. I am eagerly anticipating being able to watch soon though!


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Default  Posted: 4:43 PM, June 12th (Sunday)

Oh good!

I did not know it was coming to netflix. I'll let my sister-in-law know. She loved the books, but doesn't have cable.


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Default  Posted: 9:28 PM, June 12th (Sunday)

I haven't read the books but we are watching the series. BFF has read all the books and says the series is a good adaptation. I'm planning to start reading "A Game of Thrones" in a couple of weeks.


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Default  Posted: 12:55 PM, June 28th (Tuesday)

Okay, I have now read all the books and I'm going through serious withdrawal.

I do not know if I can make it until the 12th without a fix.

I also think I'm in love with the Queen of Thorns.


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Default  Posted: 1:34 PM, June 28th (Tuesday)

Isnt this a fantastic series?! I love the characters and their respective development.
There are so many twists and turns, it is unreal.

I sooo want to see the series, but Netflix is being a cow about getting them on DVD.

Only a couple weeks left til the new book....FINALLY!!!


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Default  Posted: 9:14 PM, June 28th (Tuesday)

They have been so engaging that I couldn't put them down.

The HBO series is really good. I started watching it and then wanted to read the books. I'd avoided them before because the series isn't complete, but HBO caused a failure of my resolve.


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Default  Posted: 9:25 PM, June 28th (Tuesday)

I started reading Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time 20 FREAKING years ago and the story isn't done yet 12 books in . . . and the author is dead . . . so they had to get a new guy to finish it.

I started A Song of Ice and Fire and have read the first four . . . but I'm NOT reading any more until it is DONE! Great stuff, but I HATE the waiting.

Vent over . . .

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Default  Posted: 9:38 PM, June 28th (Tuesday)

I too got stuck in The Wheel of Time. It sucks that a different author gets to 'finish' the story. That ruins the feel of it for me.

I wonder if there will be a sixth in the Fire and Ice series. I guess we'll find out soon enough!


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Default  Posted: 9:44 PM, June 28th (Tuesday)

When Sanderson was signed to finish Wheel of Time and they said it would be done that fall . . . I re-read all 10 books and 7000 or so pages to be up to date for the finish . . . aaarrrggghhhh . . . and then Sanderson said he needed three books to wrap it up.

Actually love the series . . . just want to finish.

Give Joe Abercrombie or Patrick Rothfus a try for some different kind of Fantasy that is darn good.


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Default  Posted: 10:44 PM, June 28th (Tuesday)

Wheel of Time, Game of Thrones,
and the Rune Lords... none of them finished...but all worth waiting for

For those in New England, I heard George RR Martin is signing books in Boston on the 12th!


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Default  Posted: 11:44 PM, June 28th (Tuesday)

FYI you can find the series on sites like sidereel. That is how I watched it. I am now back and rereading the books.

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Default  Posted: 12:15 AM, June 29th (Wednesday)

Thanks Trying! I'll check out the site tomorrow!


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Default  Posted: 7:23 PM, July 4th (Monday)

I am an avid Spec Fic and Fantasy reader and I am just not feeling it. I am halfway through the first book. It's okay. Not compelling. Am I missing something? Has it just not gotten to the good part yet? Help me out folks, I want to be a believer!


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Default  Posted: 8:53 PM, July 4th (Monday)

It gets much better toward the end of the book. By the second book, I was hooked.

And I'm not a big fantasy reader. This series just sucked me in.


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Default  Posted: 8:57 PM, July 4th (Monday)

The first half of the first book lays a lot of ground work. Fighting is right...by the end of the first book and into the second, you're not going to be able to put this series down!


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Default  Posted: 10:30 PM, July 4th (Monday)

OK. Not giving up!


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Default  Posted: 1:33 PM, July 5th (Tuesday)

FYI you can find the series on sites like sidereel. That is how I watched it. I am now back and rereading the books.
Trying_2, I checked into this over the long weekend and wasnt able to view the movies.
From what I read, HBO keeps a tight hold on their material. Do you have a link for us non-HBO subscribers?

Thanks!

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Default  Posted: 12:07 PM, July 6th (Wednesday)

I disagree with that amazon review. There are many authors who do 1-15 much better and obviously so, Glen Cook coming to mind immediately. I don't think GRRM breaks away from the typical fantasy mold at all.

The big draw to GRRM in fantasy as far as I can tell is the graphic sex and violence he invests into an otherwise typical fantasy setting. I honestly found his writing to be overly pedantic.

I will probably read the 5th at some point just because I read the other 4.


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Default  Posted: 1:33 PM, July 6th (Wednesday)

I suggest Feist or Goodkind or Dragonlance if you want a more straight forward story with strong archetypes.
WTF, Dragonlance is layered. Raistlin and Caramon are *twins* see, but they're *total opposites*!


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Default  Posted: 1:45 PM, July 6th (Wednesday)

Bah. The only difference between Song of Fire & Ice and War of Souls is midget porn.


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Default  Posted: 1:55 PM, July 6th (Wednesday)

They both have midget porn. ASOIAF is the one with canon Twincest.


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Default  Posted: 2:01 PM, July 6th (Wednesday)

Lies. There is no sex scene in Dragonlance.

I don't think there is.

Where is the sex scene? What have you done?


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Default  Posted: 2:14 PM, July 6th (Wednesday)

You clearly have not spent enough time interrogating the text from the Bupu/Raistlin 'shipper perspective.


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Default  Posted: 4:00 PM, July 6th (Wednesday)

I weep for one more sliver of my innocence lost.


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Default  Posted: 7:25 AM, July 7th (Thursday)

You were probably distracted by Tika's boobs. They're really big. Didja know?

There was this one time I complained about the sexism of a DM adding in a Penis and Prostate of Vecna, so he added a Descending Colon just for me. Yes, I know that's Greyhawk.


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Default  Posted: 8:53 AM, July 7th (Thursday)

Now I want to tell the Head of Vecna story, thereby completing the derailment of this thread :(

Possibly everyone geeky enough to think that story is funny has already heard it though.

On topic: when I read A Game of Thrones, I was so impressed by the fact that Stark was actually executed at his own execution. At the time, I was hooked... but the series is now just too long for me. I finally lost interest somewhere around halfway through book 3. I don't mind series, but somehow I just can't read any of those "doorstop fantasy" series. It just isn't my style. I guess I associate brevity with good writing.


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Default  Posted: 9:08 AM, July 7th (Thursday)

On topic, I think the tv series is and will continue to be better than the books. I think GoT was the only one in which I actually read all the POVs. They slowly dropped away as I lost interest in some and too many other characters were added. Truly, I'm confused and cannot keep middle management type characters straight. Actors have helped with that. The whole structure...it's just better for television.

Also, having an adult play Daenerys and a post-pubescent play Sansa has helped enormously with my comfort level. I mean I was a fairly weird eleven year old but *I* wouldn't have been responding to advances from the Hound with a level of sophistication more suited to a 40 year old divorcee, so I'm pretty sure Sansa's whole vibe is just GRRM being a perv.

I think that's enough on topic that you can tell your Head of Vecna story now!

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Default  Posted: 9:55 AM, July 7th (Thursday)

OK!

I originally saw it in Dragon Magazine like 20 years ago.

Many years ago, I ran a game where I pitted two groups against each other.

Several members of Group One came up with the idea of luring Group Two into a trap. You remember the Hand of Vecna and the Eye of Vecna that were artifacts in the old D&D world where if you cut off your hand (or your eye) and replaced it with the Hand of Vecna (or the Eye) you'd get new awesome powers? Well, Group One thought up The Head of Vecna.

Group One spread rumors all over the countryside (even paying Bards to spread the word about this artifact rumored to exist nearby). They even went so far as to get a real head and place it under some weak traps to help with the illusion. Unfortunately, they forgot to let ALL the members of their group in on the secret plan (I suspect it was because they didn't want the Druid to get caught and tell the enemy about this trap of theirs, or maybe because they didn't want him messing with things).

The Druid in group One heard about this new artifact and went off in search of it himself (I believe to help prove himself to the party members...) Well, after much trial and tribulation, he found it; deactivated (or set off) all the traps; and took his "prize" off into the woods for examination. He discovered that it did not radiate magic (a well known trait of artifacts) and smiled gleefully.

I wasn't really worried since he was alone and I knew that there was no way he could CUT HIS OWN HEAD OFF. Alas I was mistaken as the Druid promptly summoned some carnivorous apes and instructed them to use his own scimitar and cut his head off (and of course quickly replacing it with the Head of Vecna...)

Some time later, Group one decided to find the Druid and to check on the trap. They found the headless body (and the two heads) and realized that they had erred in their plan (besides laughing at the character who had played the Druid)...The Head of Vecna still had BOTH eyes! They corrected this mistake and reset their traps and the Head for it's real intended victims...

Group Two, by this time, had heard of the powerful artifact and decided that it bore investigating since, if true, they could use it to destroy Group One. After much trial and tribulation, they found the resting place of The Head of Vecna! The were particularly impressed with the cunning traps surrounding the site (one almost missed his save against the weakest poison known to man). They recovered the Head and made off to a safe area.

Group Two actually CAME TO BLOWS (several rounds of fighting) against each other arguing over WHO WOULD GET THEIR HEAD CUT OFF! Several greedy players had to be hurt and restrained before it was decided who would be the recipient of the great powers bestowed by the Head... The magician was selected and one of them promptly cut his head off. As the player was lifting The Head of Vecna to emplace it on it's new body, another argument broke out and they spent several minutes shouting and yelling. Then, finally, they put the Head onto the character.

Well, of course, the Head simply fell off the lifeless body. All members of Group Two began yelling and screaming at each other (and at me) and then, on their own, decided that they had let too much time pass between cutting off the head of a hopeful recipient and put the Head of Vecna onto the body.

SO THEY DID IT AGAIN!... [killing another PC]

In closing, it should be said that I never even cracked a smile as all this was going on. After the second PC was slaughtered, I had to give in (my side was hurting)...

And Group Two blamed ME for all of that...


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Default  Posted: 10:08 AM, July 7th (Thursday)

The head is a great story but the cattle drive through tomb of horrors is even better imo.

I do want to see GOT, I kind of thought it might be a Dune situation where it's better on screen than in print.

Yes, I will attack Dune, with vigor and ferocity.


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Default  Posted: 1:32 PM, July 19th (Tuesday)

http://io9.com/5822396/damn-it-feels-good-to-be-a-lannister-the-music-video


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Default  Posted: 3:30 PM, August 5th (Friday)

Funny vid!
I saw the first 2 episodes on HBO while out of town and since I dont have HBO at home I decided to read the books. I am on book 2 right now and I love the series so far. I think HBO added a little more sex into it but that is HBO's style. The series is great though.


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Default  Posted: 3:48 PM, August 5th (Friday)

I also read the dragonlance series when they first came out and enjoyed them as well.

One series that I have been reading since the begining is the the Wheel Of Time series by Robert Jordan. Epic storyline!

Robert Jordan wrote highly of GRRM before he died a few years ago.


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Default  Posted: 2:54 PM, November 4th (Friday)

Where to start...

I enjoyed Game of Thrones on HBO, and people were raving about the books, so when I saw the first four on sale for less than $20 on Amazon, I grabbed them.

Yes, that's about 4,000 pages of relatively recent literature for less than $20.

I read the first book after watching the full season on HBO. I enjoyed it. The HBO show is very true to the book - a tiny bit toned down, but the spirit is the same. The only important difference is that Catelyn is closer to a villain than a hero in the book. HBO did this to keep us focused on one family and caring about the unfolding events - television differs from literature in that aspect. The author likes his shades of gray, but it's more the gray reactions to a small subset of mostly evil people who seek power.

I am not a fantasy fan in the slightest, and it grabbed me. I have read the first Outlander book, and found it on the level of snuff porn. Absolutely unbearable, and impossible to take seriously. This is better. It doesn't truly fit any mold, the way Outlander fits the gothic romance mold.

So I kept reading. And reading. The first one is the shortest book. It's 830 pages. The next three are just more of the same, only at a greatly reduced pace. By the time you reach the third book, events are actually taking place over a shorter period of time than it takes you to read the book. In that way, Martin has become the James Joyce of his generation. Only more coherent and less literary.

I'm regretting reading the series, and am leaning against purchasing the fifth book, which came out in July.

It's good, but I think around the end of book two Martin simply ran out of ideas and started repeating himself. If HBO wants to continue (it has approved production), it will have to create plot - even for book two - resolving some points that are long forgotten in book four.


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