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Question  Posted: 10:21 AM, November 10th (Thursday)

I like the social order type...not so much the fantasy or mystery or aliens stuff...

I'm new to Sci-Fi...and am reading The Windup Girl & liking it.

I also loved The Giver.
Would love some suggestions...


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Default  Posted: 11:16 AM, November 10th (Thursday)

Iain M. Banks "Culture" novels.

CJ Cherryh.

A lot of people will say Octavia Butler. I may just have been my mood during my attempts. Still, very important author.

You also mean anthropological? Really, you could start with Ursula K. Le Guin.

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Default  Posted: 12:55 PM, November 10th (Thursday)

Any particular fav. book though?


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Default  Posted: 1:18 PM, November 10th (Thursday)

Have you read the Hunger Games series? It is a dystopian kind of thing - definite social order overtones....


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Default  Posted: 2:58 PM, November 10th (Thursday)

With Banks, "Consider Phlebas," probably to start.

Cherryh, I liked Union-Alliance but I think maybe Chanur would be a better series to start. "Heavy Time" is the first U-A, "Pride of Chanur" is the first Chanur, I think.

I would call the Vorkosigan series - which guess what, I really like! - social sf, but most people would think it's too space opera for that. Most people would be shallow thinkers, though. A reading order for that, however, will require me to make a thorough analysis of your particular case, since I take prescribing Vorkosigan very, very seriously.


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Default  Posted: 10:28 PM, November 10th (Thursday)

Dune by Frank Herbert


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Default  Posted: 10:33 PM, November 10th (Thursday)

If you like humor, check out the 1st 4 books of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". If you want to check it out on video instead, Netflix has the BBC's production, which was very good.


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Default  Posted: 12:00 AM, November 11th (Friday)

Thanks for the suggestions, Ladies. My mum read Dune when we were kids!

I'm not too keen on space or alien stuff...but who knows!

I'm also thinking I'd prob. like the rest of the triology of The Giver book by Lois Lowry.


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Default  Posted: 6:29 AM, November 11th (Friday)

Well, Octavia Butler would probably be good for you, then, and maybe Sherri Tepler and Joanna Russ.

If it is the dystopic YA thing where the Youngs are examining a system they have accepted as inevitable or good and deciding that it's not, Hunger Games is good. I know you said no spaceships, but you might like Ender's Game and the sequels (and whatever you call the Bean series) which you will think is spaceships but really is not. I refuse to re-read Ender's Game critically because I don't want to lose the memory of reading it when I was young and my jaw dropping and for the first time having a really well-formed "Adults lie" moment, and then as I proceeded over the years, I got to "Adults are lied to" and then "There's no such thing as an adult."

You might want to think about whether it is really space and aliens you find problematic or if it's really that you don't want anything leaning to hard sf, which tends to care much more about technology than about human interaction. The presence of aliens in no way means it isn't ultimately about human interaction. Humans are writing it, after all. And settings on other planets are sometimes really just opportunities to look at what happens when different cultures clash, with species subbing for real world race, nationality, etc. Lots of Le Guin's work is that way. Her father was an anthropologist iirc and she grew up all over the world where he was doing his research. Plus she has some of the loveliest titles, like "The Word for World is Forest." You still have the youthful innocence thing coming up against adults and their lies.

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Default  Posted: 8:28 AM, November 11th (Friday)

I suspect that anything by Connie Willis would be in your wheelhouse, SM.

I'd start with Doomsday Book, then go right on to Passage or To Say Nothing of the Dog.


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Default  Posted: 10:46 AM, November 11th (Friday)

Terry Pratchett's stuff is pretty heavy on the comedic fantasy but it's almost always got a very accessible cultural commentary.

Another nudge for Hunger Games, too.


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Default  Posted: 2:46 PM, November 11th (Friday)

You Ladies are great! Thanks.

And, I'll Report Back when I finish my book club book and start The Windup Girl...I flipped through it and it looks really fascinating.


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Default  Posted: 5:23 PM, November 11th (Friday)

How about some classics? Huxley's Brave New World, The Road by Cormac McCarthy and Atwood's Handmaiden's Tale?

I also enjoy Kuntsler's World Made By Hand series (only 2 so far).

Finally, Go Go Girls of the Apocalypse by Gischler is fantastics. Of course, I've always maintained that Gischler could publish his grocery list and I'd read it.


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Default  Posted: 5:26 PM, November 11th (Friday)

A good classic is _Stranger in a Strange Land_

Talk about challenging social norms...

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Default  Posted: 5:32 PM, November 11th (Friday)

I enjoyed The Windup Girl.

Most of the things I was going to rec have already been mentioned by other people

Nobody said Philip K. Dick yet. He is awesome, but some of his writing can be really disorienting. He, uh, used a lot of drugs.


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Default  Posted: 8:10 PM, November 11th (Friday)

Nothing says dystopia like Brave New World by Aldous Huxley.

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Default  Posted: 9:25 PM, November 11th (Friday)

The Road isn't a classic.

Brave New World is awesome though.


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Default  Posted: 1:01 AM, November 12th (Saturday)

Snow Crash!

Best Sci Fi book ever. Other books by the same author not as engaging.

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Default  Posted: 9:04 AM, November 14th (Monday)

Hrm...Snow Crash.

Considering the preferences you've laid out, SM, you might like The Diamond Age, by the same author (Neal Stephenson).


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You guys are GREAT! I've been checking out your suggestions on GoodReads & other sites...:)

I'm also okay with dark/disturbing stuff (to-a-point)...


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Default  Posted: 6:48 AM, November 16th (Wednesday)

"Ender's Game" is an interesting look at a future society. It's rough though.

"The Snow Queen" is another story about how technology can aid, or harm, a culture.


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Default  Posted: 8:06 AM, November 16th (Wednesday)

Kage Baker, the Company series...start with In the Garden of Iden. It's historical sf. Or scientific hf. Or something.


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Default  Posted: 12:29 AM, January 2nd (Monday)

Thanks for the suggestions, Ladies. My mum read Dune when we were kids!
I'm not too keen on space or alien stuff...but who knows!

Despite the multiple planets, Dune is not really spacey at all, it is almost medeival fantasy in its themes, just that the various houses are on different planets.


Heinlein is great.


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Default  Posted: 5:23 AM, January 2nd (Monday)

The Moon and the Sun by Vonda N. McIntyre. It won a Hugo Award for best book in 1997, and remains a great, and unusual read. One of my all time favorites. I think it appeals to women more than men, as few men I know think it is as wonderful as I do.


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Default  Posted: 12:07 AM, January 9th (Monday)

Connie Willis is great.

Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover series, although the earliest ones were out of print. I haven't checked in years however and with Amazon, Kindle and Nook who knows.

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Default  Posted: 2:59 AM, January 9th (Monday)

I like the social order type...not so much the fantasy or mystery or aliens stuff...
I'm new to Sci-Fi...and am reading The Windup Girl & liking it.

I also loved The Giver.
Would love some suggestions...

Wow, hmm... I love sci-fi but am having a bit of a hard time with this one. I like both "hard" and "soft" sci-fi but haven't read much in the area of social order I guess.

The Gate to Women's Country comes to mind.

This isn't exactly social order, more like horror-sci fi but The Decent by Jeff Long is awesome!

I really like the Deepness in the Sky, Fire Upon the Deep, Children of the Sky series by Vernor Vinge... it's "hard" sci fi and has aliens tho. There's a series by the same author that might suit you, Marooned in Realtime.

Fahrenheit 451‎ is pretty classic, tho it's a little odd to read since it's rather old. Same with 1984. The Forever War is also a classic, it's got aliens but it's not really about them, more about dealing with war/human emotions/etc.

I really liked The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, and it might be a good lighter "hard" sci-fi book.

Oooo... Terrorists of Irustan is REALLY GOOD! It's set on an alien planet but basically with middle eastern-type values. Very good book if you can find it!

If you want something that's an easier read maybe The Girl Who Owned a City? I think I read that about the same time I read The Giver.

Lord of the Flies might suit too... that's not a sci fi exactly. It's a social order book.

Shade's Children by Garth Nix is also really good, tho sad. Actually I love his Abhorsen series too, if you ever get into the fantasy side of things.

Sheri S Tepper is another good author to look up. She has several series and all of them have a social focus. If you want a stand-alone book Family Tree is good, BIG twist part way through tho!

I hope this wasn't too disjointed. I love reading and books and get a little over excited.

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Despite the multiple planets, Dune is not really spacey at all, it is almost medeival fantasy in its themes, just that the various houses are on different planets.


Heinlein is great.

Couldn't agree more - got a Kindle for Xmas and Dune was the first book I downloaded - now upto no 4 in the series - excellent read and not all spacey - lots of social and religious themes.

Would highly recommend


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Despite the multiple planets, Dune is not really spacey at all, it is almost medeival fantasy in its themes, just that the various houses are on different planets.


Heinlein is great.

Couldn't agree more - got a Kindle for Xmas and Dune was the first book I downloaded - now upto no 4 in the series - excellent read and not all spacey - lots of social and religious themes.

Would highly recommend


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Despite the multiple planets, Dune is not really spacey at all, it is almost medeival fantasy in its themes, just that the various houses are on different planets.


Heinlein is great.

Couldn't agree more - got a Kindle for Xmas and Dune was the first book I downloaded - now upto no 4 in the series - excellent read and not all spacey - lots of social and religious themes.

Would highly recommend


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Default  Posted: 2:07 PM, January 10th (Tuesday)

i don't really do sci-fi, except that i can do some dystopia sometimes.

i don't think anyone here has mentioned William Gibson. he's just brilliant. an icon. Neuromancer is his most famous, but middle and recent stuff is great too. lots of character depth, amazing foresight.

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Default  Posted: 7:11 PM, January 16th (Monday)

My sister got me the Left Hand of Darkness - Ursula Le Guin for Christmas. I'm about 2/3 through it. It's okay...i sort of started reading The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest in the middle of this...so, I got distracted. hee!

But, I liked the Sci-Fi book Windup Girl (different author...:)better. NOT that you can comapre the 2 really...


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I can recommend "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" by Harlan Ellison. It's more a short story than a book but well worth the read.

Also "High Rise" by JG Ballard.

And those who said "Brave New World" are spot on also.


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I have to add my voice and plug Connie Willis!!! She's my absolute favorite!! She can be a bit wordy and sometimes overlong, but the stories overall will keep you hooked!! Many of her novels involve time travel. NOT time travel ROMANCE!!

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