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hurtbs
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Exclaimation  Posted: 6:51 PM, May 6th (Monday)

It's the end of the school year. I want to kill my students. Kill them. You know what drives me nuts about this age group? That they lie. They lie big... and then they are indignent that you don't believe them. Just today:'

"Why didn't you come see me to talk about this earlier?"

"I tried to come by during [office hours] but you weren't here."

"Um... yes, I was. I was actually even here early and late because I needed to do additional work."

"NO you weren't. I came by and the door was locked and the lights were off."

"That's not true. I was here and meeing with xxxx student."

Then they are indignant that they don't get an extension because they *tried* to come and tlak to me but I wasn't there. Sure they could have emailed, called, texted, skyped, whatevs, but nope - I wasn't there. And guess who then follows up to accuse me of not supporting little johnny or jenny?

"Little johnny told me you wouldn't give him an extension. He tried to come get help three times but you were not there!"

On top of that, it's like I'm trying to manage a zoo. "Why do we still have to learn new material? There's two weeks left!"

"Exactly, there's two weeks left."

On top of that, two plagiarism cases.

I'm making xanax cookies. It's up in the air who is gonna get those xanax cookies but someone is.


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nowiknow23
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Default  Posted: 7:02 PM, May 6th (Monday)

((((hurtbs)))) Sending you end of year strength. Think of summer... think of summer...


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caregiver9000
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Default  Posted: 7:04 PM, May 6th (Monday)

You can make xanax cookies?


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meaniemouse
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Default  Posted: 8:00 PM, May 6th (Monday)

You'd think it would be easier as they get older. Nope. I teach college and this is what they sound like.

"I just now read the part in the syllabus about having to do ____ and I didn't and want to know can I still do it, even though it was due 2 months ago? No?? Well that's really crappy."

"What can I do for extra credit?"--These are the same students who didn't do the ASSIGNED work and now they want to do extra work for credit.

"I'm missing several grades--I turned stuff in but you didn't ever give it back to me." Yeah, right--sure you turned it in.

"I think I should get some points because I turned it in on time." Of course what was turned in was rubbish.

"You didn't tell us about that." Umm, yes I did. At least five times. I did everything but jump up on the desk and do a fire dance to make you pay attention.

Thank GOD it's almost over.
I'm seriously going to invent valium spray that can be sold in individual cannisters like mace as well as big industrial drums full of the stuff that can be pumped through the air vents.


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hurtbs
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Default  Posted: 9:11 PM, May 6th (Monday)

Oh yeah Meanie. I taught college for 10 years before switching to high school. I miss when it was illegal for their parents to contact me...


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Ripley123
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Default  Posted: 10:04 PM, May 6th (Monday)

What, no points for their creativity??? KIDDING.
Don't make the cookies tempting though it may be, I don't want to see you on a Lifetime movie...(I do realize you are joking)


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StrongerOne
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Default  Posted: 10:04 PM, May 6th (Monday)

I have an adult college student who is like this. Fifty years old, what a bozo. Today he told me that the rules and requirements infantilize students.

Bwahahahaha!

I'll tell you what's infantile, buster...

Alas, I remained professional and merely said, "I'm so sorry you feel that way."


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meaniemouse
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Default  Posted: 10:16 PM, May 6th (Monday)

I am SO glad I'm not the only one banging my head on the desk these days. Seriously they are driving me to drink. Even more than I'm used to.

ETA--And you are SO right--at least I don't have to deal with PITA parents. Not that they don't try.

[This message edited by meaniemouse at 10:18 PM, May 6th (Monday)]


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PurpleRose
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Default  Posted: 10:23 PM, May 6th (Monday)

It's not just the college kids.. My fourth graders are completely losing it. Now that our state testing has passed, and even though we have over a month left before school gets out, they don't understand why we have to keep doing work.

But the tests are over!

But we are done!

But we shouldn't have to do more work- we already did a lot of work!!

Is it summer yet??

[This message edited by PurpleRose at 10:23 PM, May 6th (Monday)]


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roughroadahead
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Default  Posted: 11:01 PM, May 6th (Monday)

I never taught in grad school, but I heard the fact that it is technically illegal for you to divulge information to parents of undergrads, it doesn't stop some parents from trying. Or showing up to office hours. Or calling the Dean.


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TattoodChinaDoll
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Default  Posted: 11:14 PM, May 6th (Monday)

I taught middle school, 6-8, before becoming a SAHM. They are the reason I went gray at 22.


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TrustNoOne
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Default  Posted: 12:05 AM, May 7th (Tuesday)

You people are the reason I nurse the infantile in corporate America instead of America's classrooms.

God bless you all. I'll take infants in boardrooms over infants in school.


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bluelady
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Default  Posted: 5:39 AM, May 7th (Tuesday)

My favourite was this:

Student: I don't understand why you gave me a 60% on my report card. I got 100% on everything.

Me: But you didn't hand in a lot of work. You may have gotten 100% on the things you handed in, but you got 0% on the things you didn't.

Student: *shrugs as me as if to say "so what???*

Then she went home and posted all over Facebook (as reported to me by other students) that I was a horrible teacher and gave her 60% even though she got 100% on everything.

What makes it worse for us right now is that this is the first week where we've had really nice weather. If I hear "Can we have class outside today?" one more time, I'm gonna jump out my second storey window...


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authenticnow
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Default  Posted: 5:48 AM, May 7th (Tuesday)

((((Teachers))))


Take up your space (and do it well).

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karmahappens
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Default  Posted: 8:10 AM, May 7th (Tuesday)

Dibs on the cookies...

((hugs)) for all you do for the kids.


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tryingagain74
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Default  Posted: 11:22 AM, May 7th (Tuesday)

Ah, yes. This is when the parents come out of the woodwork (after we sent home progress reports, emails, sometimes even a personal letter home) and ask, "What can he do to pass?"

What can he do? The work. All year long.

My students also like to sidle up to me sheepishly in June, asking, "Is there anything I can do to bring my grade up?"

What can you do? The work. All year long.

As for extra credit, I rarely offer it anymore. I'm sick of kids pinning their hopes on it and thinking that I'm going to offer some kind of 500 extra credit point project that consists of them pretending to read a book and writing half a paragraph on it.


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tushnurse
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Default  Posted: 12:11 PM, May 7th (Tuesday)

I feel for teachers I really do, I think that they have been coerced into a method of teaching that encourages mediocrity, and irresponsibility.

Start T/J
When I was in school you were rewarded when you were the best, and it was always a challenge to be the best. Now everyone gets a trophy for participating mindset, prevents the schools from rewarding the kids that are doing the work, and making the grades.

The other issue I have is they allow kids to turn in "late work" all the way through middle school, and some allow it in Honors High School classes. This just encourages kids to not get the stuff done.

When I was in school assignments were due on the date provided. If you didn't have it too bad. That big ole 0 on your grade sheet woke you the heck up.
Now they can ladeda it when something is due. This does NOT HELP kids with ADHD. This does not help them learn to be organized and responsible.

Our district took away any rewards that the good/smart kids were recieving, for reasons that are unclear. Oh sure the athletes get recognition, but God forbid we recognize the kids that are going to be the ones that do something important with their lives.

End T/J


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nowiknow23
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Default  Posted: 1:16 PM, May 7th (Tuesday)

I nurse the infantile in corporate America
Hey - me too. And I'm looking for a source for desktop valium salt licks.


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MissesJai
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Default  Posted: 1:27 PM, May 7th (Tuesday)

I nurse the infantile in corporate America
same here..Although, I do teach adjunct from time to time and I experienced the same. It was beyond frustrating.


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StillGoing
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Default  Posted: 2:44 PM, May 7th (Tuesday)

When I was in school assignments were due on the date provided. If you didn't have it too bad. That big ole 0 on your grade sheet woke you the heck up.
Now they can ladeda it when something is due. This does NOT HELP kids with ADHD. This does not help them learn to be organized and responsible.

I spend 2+ hours a day keeping my ADD son on task. The 0 doesn't help anyone but me. It cuts down on my stress of dealing with homework.

Kids with ADD are not going to learn how to be organized and responsible in the same way kids without ADD do. I understand it must be frustrating but it's frustrating for parents trying to work with it, too.

I wish they'd give him trig problems and have him do reports on Harry Potter, but they won't. They're just going to fail him because I can't be available 5 nights a week to keep him focused. He has improved dramatically but this environment does not suit him and it's coming to the point where I am seriously considering taking a pay hit to wfh full time to home school him.

After months of dealing with the administration he was put in an Extended Learning Program which I was assured would help him with his homework, but he comes home 2 or 3 days of the week with it half done or not done at all, which means I get to either keep him on task until 7 while I'm working, getting dinner ready and herding the household until my wife comes home, or let him fail on the 0.

Our younger son has no issue with this stuff and at age 6 knocks it all out on his own in 15 minutes.

I honestly don't know what to do. It is exhausting. Right now I am hoping he just skates through on D's for the next 6 or 7 years until he can get his GED and move on to junior college.


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MissesJai
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Default  Posted: 3:20 PM, May 7th (Tuesday)

OMG SG, my H is in the exact same boat with DS 11. He's autistic and hyperactive. Homework is so stressful. They both are wiped out at the end of the night. The students are in the 2nd week of state testing so they both get a much needed break from homework. It's peaceful and relatively stress free in our home as a result. He goes to middle school next year and that really worries us. My IC said that we could ask for modified homework in his IEP - I'm going to push for that at our next IEP meeting.


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jrc1963
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Default  Posted: 3:42 PM, May 7th (Tuesday)

I don't even assign homework... It's not worth my time or theirs.

So far no parent has complained about it. No principal has called me on it and no kid has been upset.

I give Zeros for failing to do the work in class... where I'm working thru the assignments WITH my students or if they are doing it independently, I am always available to assist.

If a student refuses to do the work in class with me, refuses my help or won't do it at all... then they're not gonna do it with the parents at home.

Who needs the stress.


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Default  Posted: 3:46 PM, May 7th (Tuesday)

He goes to middle school next year and that really worries us. My IC said that we could ask for modified homework in his IEP - I'm going to push for that at our next IEP meeting.
This saved both DD and my sanity. Literally. DD was so stressed by the level of homework, she would blow up into panic-induced rages. And there's no way to recover from that and have any kind of instruction or learning sink in.


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MissesJai
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Default  Posted: 3:50 PM, May 7th (Tuesday)

jrc, can you be my DS's teacher, PWEEEEEEEEZZZ?!?!?

nik, so it is possible? Oh man, I'm going to move mountains to make sure that is in his IEP.

there's no way to recover from that and have any kind of instruction or learning sink in
I totally get this. Once dad & DS have reached that "limit", it's a wrap. Dad is beyond frustrated and DS is in total meltdown mode.


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hurtbs
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Default  Posted: 3:57 PM, May 7th (Tuesday)

The other issue I have is they allow kids to turn in "late work" all the way through middle school, and some allow it in Honors High School classes.

I teach all the way through AP 12th grade. I have to take late work. I tried to implement a penalty (10 points per day late) but that has been smacked down as well.


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Default  Posted: 4:01 PM, May 7th (Tuesday)

My heart goes out to teachers! Overworked and underpaid.

When my best friend decided she wanted to change careers and become a teacher, I gently asked if that is really what she wants to do.

Then I screamed, "Are you freakin' nuts? Remember how we were in school? It's 100 times worse now!!!"

Alas, she is now a teacher and perhaps has half of her hair left and has two glasses of wine when she gets home. She is a great teacher, and I'm proud of her.


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nowiknow23
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Default  Posted: 4:01 PM, May 7th (Tuesday)

nik, so it is possible? Oh man, I'm going to move mountains to make sure that is in his IEP.
Not just possible - fairly common. Go get 'em, MissesJai!


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MissesJai
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Default  Posted: 4:07 PM, May 7th (Tuesday)

thanks nik! I may PM you if I end up having to battle it out with the school district. I don't see that happening, as they know me very well. I'm pretty aggressive with them because I HAVE to be. I've already left a message with DS's RSP teacher.


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StillGoing
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Default  Posted: 4:22 PM, May 7th (Tuesday)

MissesJai, I would like the IEP but since it is close to years end we are just gonna defer it until next year I think.

DD was so stressed by the level of homework, she would blow up into panic-induced rages. And there's no way to recover from that and have any kind of instruction or learning sink in.

Yeah... 4 years of that so far. Amazingly we have made progress, he generally actually finishes his work this year and can work independently for brief periods.

jrc, I hope you get so many gift baskets that you don't have to buy groceries or booze for a month. That is awesome.


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MissesJai
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Default  Posted: 4:24 PM, May 7th (Tuesday)

MissesJai, I would like the IEP but since it is close to years end we are just gonna defer it until next year I think.
start advocating for it now, SG. It's never too soon. Get it going now so that you have your annual IEP review around this time every year. The timing is great b/c you will be able to have him tested over the summer and develop goals for next year. Oh, and do EVERYTHING in writing. EVERYTHING.


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jrc1963
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Default  Posted: 4:34 PM, May 7th (Tuesday)

jrc, can you be my DS's teacher, PWEEEEEEEEZZZ?!?!?

Well, You'd have to move to Florida.

nik, so it is possible? Oh man, I'm going to move mountains to make sure that is in his IEP.
Yes, it's very possible and I wouldn't go in guns ablaze when you ask for it... just ask in a casual way. Most educators/guidance people are good with it. If not, then get out the mama bear guns.

start advocating for it now, SG. It's never too soon.
I second this... SG - does your son already have an IEP? If not, it can take up to a year (in Florida) for a student to get tested and staffed (IEP written)

I'm an ESE teacher... have been for 15 years... Work with kids who have emotional/behavior problems as well as ADHD, ADD and Learning Disabilities... If anyone wants to PM me with questions I am more than willing to help.


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nowiknow23
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Default  Posted: 6:07 PM, May 7th (Tuesday)

start advocating for it now, SG. It's never too soon.
Seconding (thirding?) this. In my district, IEPs are written in the spring for the following school year. DD's is completed in March each year.

MissesJai - there are tons of online IEP resources if you are looking for specific wording, but I'm sure it's an accomodation that your IEP team will be familiar with and can work to apply to your DS's specific needs.

Good luck.


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Default  Posted: 6:11 PM, May 7th (Tuesday)

And now that I've THOROUGHLY jacked this thread, I want to circle back to sending love and respect out to all the teachers and professors.

Both of my parents were educators. They had such passion for the field and gave so much of themselves to it throughout their careers. And although the positives far outweighed the negative, it was not all shiny apples and thank you notes. Such hard and important work.


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MissesJai
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Default  Posted: 6:12 PM, May 7th (Tuesday)

thanks nik! you & jrc have given me hope!


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Default  Posted: 6:21 PM, May 7th (Tuesday)

Since I am a "special area" teacher, librarian/teacher and not subject to the same level of accountability for grades and standardized tests, I actually like the end of the year. Sure the kids are nuts, but I pull out all my props, my science specimens, augment with cool youtube videos and amazing books and I keep them hooked until it's time for them to choose a library book.

Also, it's my last time to qualify for National Teacher's Day, I retire soon, so I am taking advantage of all the free meals offered!!!


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StrongerOne
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Default  Posted: 11:47 PM, May 7th (Tuesday)

Although your IEP or 504 must be reviewed annually (federal requirement), you are not limited to an annual review or update. If the plan is not working, or if you get new information about your child's condition or need for accommodation, or the situation changes in some way, you and your child have the right to have the plan reviewed. Your state should have the procedure and forms for requesting a review available online.

The school can be hellacious about it, foot dragging, etc etc. I find that a statement like, "gee, that's not what I understood about the YYYY. Let me call XXX at the district to see if we can get some clarity on it." The word "lawsuit" is also effective, but I'd save that one for really egregious and repeated misbehavior on the part of the school.

Don't put up with any crap regarding the IEP or 504. It's your kid's education, and he or she has a RIGHT under federal law to an appropriate education and to reasonable accommodations.

Edited to add: don't mean to sound too pugnacious here. I have a lot of sympathy for public schools and the hard job they have. Unfortunately, even with well meaning districts and schools, you will almost always have to be firm and push for what your child needs and has a right too. I love my DS's schools, and they love him, but I still spend a fair amount of time being a squeaky wheel.

[This message edited by StrongerOne at 11:51 PM, May 7th (Tuesday)]


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