Just Found Out
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Default  Posted: 9:44 PM, May 19th (Sunday)

I'm not sure what I'm feeling. It might be denial. I am married to a serial cheater who has said he's finally done seeking sex from others. I feel like an idiot for even considering to stay, but he is all I know. I've been with him since I was a teenager, and now I'm knocking on 40s door. My adult life has been with him, and I have recently come to the conclusion that at least 10 of those years included him cheating or trying desperately to cheat. My self-esteem is in the gutter. I overeat or sometimes don't eat at all. My work is suffering, and I have a pretty demanding job. I have no idea what to do.

BS(me): 40
H(serial cheater): 41
Dday: I feel like everyday is dday
Married 19 years but together 21 years
2 kids: 17 and 20

Feeling disillusioned, depressed, and disgusted.

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Default  Posted: 9:50 PM, May 19th (Sunday)

((I want))

I'm so sorry that you're here. Take a deep breath and allow yourself to process all of this. Eat, sleep, and only worry about that which you can control.

You can stuff your sorries in a sack, mister. -George Costanza
There is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women. - Madeleine Albright

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Default  Posted: 10:07 PM, May 19th (Sunday)


I'm so sorry you are going through this. I, like you, have been with my WH since I was 14....I'm 38 now. He's all I have known to but after 6 months post D-Day I finally moved out because I couldn't handle the constant texting to his OW (he was having an EA). You definitely need some time to process the info you have now and decide how much you can handle. Please take care of YOU!!!!

You've come to a wonderful site to get support and advice. Everyone on here are great!

Me: 38
WH: 43
DD: Thanksgiving Day, 2012
Status: Separated

Posts: 184 | Registered: Apr 2013 | From: Minnesota
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Default  Posted: 10:14 PM, May 19th (Sunday)


Your WH has turned your world upside down I know.

The very best thing that I did just days after Dday:

1) Made an appointment with an IC that had experience with infidelity.

2) Read the book, "Not just Friends" by Shirley Glass. Knowing NOTHING about infidelity I found this book helpful.

Wishing you strength.

ME: 54 BS
HIM: 61 WH
Married: 28 years
D'Day: 10/29/10
in R 4 years and it's working but he is putting 200% into it (as he should) to make it right again.

The truth hurts, but I have never seen it cause the pain that lies do.

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Default  Posted: 10:26 PM, May 19th (Sunday)

Oh my.....

First...welcome. You have found an awesome place to work through the issues that you're dealing with.

I'm curious about the 'name' that you chose. *iwant2change*. What does that mean? What do you want to change?

I too have spent my adult life with a serial cheater....unbeknownst to me until a few years ago.

People that serial-cheat are *broken*. Yes, that shit can put your self-esteem in the toilet if you let it....but it isn't about you. With a could have been f'n Mother Theresa and the cheating STILL would have happened.

You didn't cause it. You can't control it. And you can't cure it.

You posted no specifics about *your story*, but you indicated that your work is suffering because of what is happening in your life right now.

Compartmentalize. You NEED to work right now. Let your workplace be your *oasis* in this storm. Your WH has taken enough from you. Do NOT let him also affect your job. Go to work and kick ass JUST to 'spite' him. Because how much would it suck to have lost the marriage that you knew and ALSO your job? Hang on to that part of *you*....if you are really struggling, then try to take a bit of vacation time.

P.S. It would really be helpful if you posted a bit more about your story. What he has done, how you found out, and what his *attitude* is in regards to the mess that he created.....

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive." - Sir Walter Scott

In my effort to be *concise*, I often come off as blunt and harsh. Sorry, don't mean to be offensive.

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Default  Posted: 10:58 PM, May 19th (Sunday)

Thank you for the replies. I married young. It started before we married. We were living together. During a visit to his hometown, he cheated with an old girlfriend. I found out, talked to the girlfriend, he admitted it, and then we got married. I know, that was a mistake.

Anyway, after many years of marriage and two kids, I saw emails for dating sites on our computer. We only had one at the time, and he left his email open. He wasn't very good at hiding what he was doing, or so I thought. When I confronted him about it, he said he was just curious, didn't do anything... . Many more years later, he goes to his hometown again to visit family, runs into an old girlfriend, and they start talking on the phone. He said it was innocent. I told him I didn't like it, and he said he would stop. Well, of course he didn't stop, but ever the optimist, I believed him. Fast forward to this year, he set up a bank account for our oldest. His name and her name are on it. When I saw the statement, I noticed some questionable charges. It turns out, he had signed up for every hook up site there is. When I confronted him, he said it was for us. He wanted to spice things up... After hours of talking and me begging for the truth, he told me he has a sexual addiction. I asked how many times, and he insists that it was one time. The sites and ads he placed were for sex with men and women. He says he loves me, he wants the marriage, and he's done with all of the searching. That's the short story.

I am now left wondering what I should do. I can't tell my family, and I don't have any friends. He and the kids have been my life. I'm sure most people would tell me to run and never look back, but I want to grow old with him. I feel like I'm so pathetic. I desperately want to believe him, but I feel like I need to change. I need to be brave and walk away or something because I am miserable right now.

BS(me): 40
H(serial cheater): 41
Dday: I feel like everyday is dday
Married 19 years but together 21 years
2 kids: 17 and 20

Feeling disillusioned, depressed, and disgusted.

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Default  Posted: 12:54 AM, May 20th (Monday)

Iwant2change...don't feel alone. I have been with my WS for most of my adult life and he has been cheating on me for the past 20 years. I wanted our M, I wanted to grow old with him, but I also need to end my misery. I can never trust him again, and that is no way to have a relationship. The thought of starting over at almost 50 years old scares the hell out of me, but I reached my limit. Everyone has a different limit. I truly tried to hold out until my youngest child turned 18 and graduated from high school, but with yet another A discovered I simply realized I couldn't do this anymore. Take some time to think about your situation and what you feel your limit is, then act accordingly. There is no right or wrong answer, only what is right for you. You will find many here that have walked in your shoes.

BS - Me
XPOS - too many OW/OCs over 20+yrs
Kids - DDs 23,18 -DS20 Deceased
M Dissolved 2013

This above all: to thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man ~ Shakespeare, Hamlet

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Default  Posted: 8:02 AM, May 20th (Monday)

I'm awful sorry you find yourself here.

Most men, when caught with their pants down, will claim a 'sex addiction' rather than own their shit. That's all I ever seem to see anymore when a woman catches a man up to no good, the old 'sexual addiction' excuse. It's getting real old.

Quite honestly, it sounds as though your husband has a need to sew the wild oats he never sewed due to marrying so young. He's so used to having variety and excitement on the side that it's simply become a way of life for him. That doesn't make him a sex addict, it makes him a selfish horse's ass.

It sounds as though your biggest reason for staying with him is because he's all you know and you're looking at 40 and think you're too old to start over.

But you're not. You're honestly not.

Be careful - that 'knight in shining armor' may very well be nothing more than an assclown wrapped in tin foil.
ME: 50+ years old and cute as a button :-)
Ex-WBF: Just a lying, cheating, gravy-sucking pig - and I left him in 2012.

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Default  Posted: 8:32 AM, May 20th (Monday)

He says he loves me, he wants the marriage, and he's done with all of the searching.

And does he now act as if the problem is solved? *Telling* you that he will quit searching is the extent of his actions? What is his plan to deal with the 'sexual addiction' that he's claimed to have? Does he think it will just go away?

I don't believe his story. He is lying to you--about his motivation at the very least. You don't 'spice up' your marriage by signing up for dating sites...unless your spouse is on board and also agrees that would be 'hot'. Plus, he was PAYING for these sites. He wasn't just browsing through the hundreds of 'free' sites. Also, he was looking for sex with women AND men.

I'm very concerned that you have only uncovered the tip of the iceberg here......and I believe that it would be worth your while to have your WH evaluated by a CSAT (certified sexual addiction therapist). If there are no CSAT's near where you live, another one that specializes in addictions may be helpful.

I desperately want to believe him, but I feel like I need to change

What do you feel that you need to change about yourself?

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive." - Sir Walter Scott

In my effort to be *concise*, I often come off as blunt and harsh. Sorry, don't mean to be offensive.

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Default  Posted: 11:30 AM, May 20th (Monday)

Thanks again for the responses.

I used to be a confident person (maybe too confident). I am now a weak, scared, damaged individual. I do not like myself. I take responsibility for anything I may have done to damage our marriage. I know I am not perfect, and I've tried to be what he wants. I've tried to be a good mother. I've tried to be a good person. I want to understand why he has this desire to be with others. I want to help him. I actually feel bad for him. I don't think he is really dealing with his own issues: his growing up without a father, questioning his sexuality, feeling inadequate in other areas... .

I want to understand. I want to feel like I used to feel. I want to like myself again. I feel like a desperate fool. My family (mother, sisters, aunts, nieces...) believes that we have the ideal marriage. I don't want to disappoint them, and I don't want to feel the embarrassment if/when they find out what's been going on.

I want to change because I don't like the person I have become. I exist, but I'm not living. I only go out when I have to (work, home, grocery store). I spend most of my time these days procrastinating, not getting any work done, watching Hulu. I am officially a mess. And yes, I am afraid of starting all over. The world is a totally different, more insensitive place. I've looked at some of the sites he's frequented, and I'm terrified. Why would anyone create a site like Ashley Madison? Why would anyone encourage infidelity? I have been obsessed with looking at the various dating sites, craigslist, etc. How could I ever trust him or anyone else after all I've learned.

He says he wants our relationship, but he shows very little emotion or remorse. He wants intimacy, and I give him what he wants. He has agreed to wear condoms. He sighs when I want to talk about his addiction. He gets angry when I want to talk about the affairs (or sexual encounters). Sometimes he answers my questions, and other times he says he's told me everything and is done talking about it. I believe there have been other times he has not told me about, but I also want to believe that everything is the way he says it is. He confuses me.

I feel so naive. Thanks for letting me vent.

BS(me): 40
H(serial cheater): 41
Dday: I feel like everyday is dday
Married 19 years but together 21 years
2 kids: 17 and 20

Feeling disillusioned, depressed, and disgusted.

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Default  Posted: 3:44 PM, May 20th (Monday)

2 Change

I am sorry that you've had this happen to you and for so long.

You matter. You are better than this. I don't care how much you eat, etc. You are a human being that deserves to be treated with love, respect, and truth.

You are afraid ( understandably so ) - but it's a lot to digest.

Define your boundaries and be true to yourself. Be your own champion.

Read the 180 and keep moving.

His cheating is HIS decision and has nothing to do with you (as hard as that is to accept) - he's broken.

Focus on you.

Sending hugs

"I can be changed by what happens to me. But I refuse to be reduced by it." - Maya Angelou

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Default  Posted: 7:50 PM, May 20th (Monday)

I too have been with my husband since we were 16 years old. And I am pushing 50. I am truly terrified of having to start over at my age. I have always had him by my side to deal with things now he's not there. I am only a month out from d-day so I am new to this but I have found this site to be of great help! Also you have nothing to be embarrassed about as far as telling your family. You have done nothing wrong ,you need their support. Have you got an IC? It helps. Find a close fiend to talk to. Don't shut yourself off start taking care of you! It's what is driving me. But always know your not alone we are all here for you.

[This message edited by savvy at 7:52 PM, May 20th (Monday)]

me-BS (49)
him-WH (49)
2 children 21 and 19
Together 30 years
Ow-(30)and she knew me knew he is married.
D-day 1 4/24/2013
D-day 2. 7/9/2013. Day after anniversary
D-day 3. 8/12/13.
Filing for divorce

Posts: 135 | Registered: Apr 2013 | From: connecticut
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Default  Posted: 9:25 PM, May 21st (Tuesday)

Hi Want2Change,

I'm so so sorry. It's just terrible what you are going through! I just want to say that it's so incredibly normal to not know what you're feeling. It can be just so terribly overwhelming that the emotions just get all jumbled, or they change 10x times a day and you don't know which ones are the ones that you should listen to and which to ignore. That's what happens with me. Denial does do it's own little magic too; it's okay to have it hang around for a bit while you wrap your head and shattered heart around your new unwelcome reality. A little denial can be helpful, at least for a while! It is a terrible road to navigate without a map and you are going to learn a lot. I'm new to the road. I too struggle with protecting myself and feeling compassionate toward the brokenness in my WS that led him to betray for so long. I want to do both, and I most likely cannot. So take care of you. It's a very, very difficult struggle. One way, some day you will find your path. I hope you can find a good therapist, see your doctor. I decided not to tell anyone either except nearly complete strangers because I'm just too humiliated and just in case we do wind up working things out, i don't want people thinking i'm an idiot because they would likely never understand the complications involved in this totally heady overwhelming experience.

Wishing you strength! and maybe breathing exercises to help with the pain?

Me BS 49, ExWS: narcissist! Jekyll Hyde. Left in secret early July, moved states. Now homeless but getting it together. Necessary but difficult(!) transition! Sad sad sad but hopeful.

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Default  Posted: 1:28 PM, June 10th (Monday)

Thank you so much for the advice and comments. I've been in denial lately, thinking everything is going to be okay. He's been kind, and we've spent a lot of time together. Today, my denial ended. I saw sites for shemale porn on his web browser. Before asking him about the porn, I told him I already knew the answer, so please be honest. He denied looking at the sites. He didn't know that I saw the history on the computer. I can tell by the limited history on his pc that he deletes his web history every time he logs off, but this time, he did not log off. When I finally convinced him that I knew for sure and was not just fishing, he confessed. He says he has a problem, and he lies to protect me. He said he was not been doing anything until recently. He had a sexual dream about a shemale, which sparked his relapse. What do you do when you are financially and emotionally dependent on someone? How do you break away from someone who has been your best and only friend? I'm realizing that this nightmare is real, and things are not going to get better. He has a problem, and I can't help him. I don't even know if I can survive on my own. I'm not a good driver, I don't have any friends, and my self-esteem is definitely in the gutter.

BS(me): 40
H(serial cheater): 41
Dday: I feel like everyday is dday
Married 19 years but together 21 years
2 kids: 17 and 20

Feeling disillusioned, depressed, and disgusted.

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Default  Posted: 2:04 PM, June 10th (Monday)

Please please please seek IC.

You need help wrapping your head around all that has been thrown your way. My goodness it is a lot.

No person deserves to live their life in a lie.

I know it is scary but aren't you equally scared to stay with him and subject yourself to more hurt and pain?

Ask yourself this regarding your relationship:

1) What is the worst thing that can happen?

2) What is the best thing that can happen?

3) What is most likely to happen?

Which scenario is right for you and your children?

If you haven't, then you need tested for STD's. Put your health first.

40 isn't old. You have many years ahead of you to live vs. exisiting. Look up the 180 and get YOU back on track.

You are correct when you post that he is sick and you can't fix him. He has to want to fix himself. He has to invest in himself to be healthy and behave in such a manner.

Visualize what happiness could be and then move towards it.

We are rooting for you.

Keep moving.

"I can be changed by what happens to me. But I refuse to be reduced by it." - Maya Angelou

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Default  Posted: 2:24 PM, June 10th (Monday)

I am with 1Faith, Please go get some counseling. Tell him you are going. He needs to go too. Tell him this is not an option. This all stops when you say it stops. That does not mean HE will stop, it just means he will stop doing it to you. Bless your heart, I am so sorry for what you are going through, but this could be his turning point also. You can't live like this, he has got to get some help. He is a sick individual who has clearly lost his way. Not all, but so many SA spouses are in the same boat you are in, their lives have become closed off around them and they often have nobody to turn to about this, because it is so hard to deal with and understand! PLEASE GET COUNSELING!
Best wishes and keep posting!!!

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Default  Posted: 2:42 PM, June 10th (Monday)


Sooo first thing is you have no unprotected sex with this man. He is a liar ok liars lie don't put yourself in harms way.

Get yourself into counseling him also.

You do not have to have an answer to stay or divorce today or tomorrow.

Know this.. You have done nothing wrong! You are not the blame here. He is sick treat it for now like an illness. If that helps??

Get yourself into counseling asap. You are dependent on him. Make yourself not so dependent go back to school or get a job etc...
You deserve better you deserve to be happy. This is not your fault..

I am so sorry you are here.

There are degrees to which you let people back into your life and degrees to which you let them back into your heart-which, of course, are not the same thing

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Default  Posted: 5:12 PM, June 10th (Monday)

So sorry for your pain.

You say he is all you know and you are knocking on 40's doorstep
It could be worse you could be 63 like me and just getting WS to finally admit.
You knew. Your gut was right and believe me you are still young and vibrant.
Don't settle, and don't let him treat you like it doesn't matter because it does

BS: Me (63yo)
FWH: HIM (65yo) serial infidelities over past 35 years
OW: Many, most recent 1/2 his age
DD: Multiple unconfirmed until 2012 when I presented evidence, plus LTA with his friends wife lasting 10 years. TT over past year
So done,

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Default  Posted: 5:27 PM, June 10th (Monday)


I am knocking on 40 too and I have spent more than half my life with my WH.

I suggest installing a keylogger software. It gave me many of the answers that I needed.

The mind movies were worse that the truth.

Dday 5-10-13
1 year + EA/PA (still TT)
Me- BW
Him- WH
M- 15 years
2 kiddos
Today's forecast is foggy with a chance of D.

"Better to be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie"

Posts: 58 | Registered: May 2013 | From: hell on earth
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Default  Posted: 5:33 PM, June 10th (Monday)

I'm 36 and having similar thoughts about getting older and what to do about WW.

Best suggestion at nearly 4 months from d-day is for you to seek IC. It's helping me sort things out.

Go for help, as suggested by the other posters. At this point, it's not just about figuring out what to do, it's also about accepting what you have to do.

Me: BH
Her: WW
Together since 2001, married since 2007.
D-day: Feb. 20, 2013.
Broke NC: 2 phone calls since
Today: In MC and IC, attempting R.
It got easier: They no longer work together.

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Default  Posted: 5:42 PM, June 10th (Monday)


Hugs to you friend. I was quite a bit older than you on my D-day.

I, like you, had a marriage everyone looked up to. It was a complete shock to our family, our friends, our community.

Before D-day I'd never balanced a checkbook, mowed the lawn, cleaned the gutters, taken the garbage out, or installed tracking programs on the computer. I learned, you can too.

Please don't let your previous dependence on him keep you tied to him. You can grow, you can change. Yes it takes time, you can do this.

As others have said, IC is important right now. You don't have to make any decisions today if you don't want to, just don't wallow for long.

And please don't have unprotected sex with him.


Me: xBS (58)
Married 24 years
D-27, S-25
Divorce final 10/1/09
"She is clothed in strength and dignity
She can laugh at the days to come." Pr. 31:25

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Default  Posted: 2:15 PM, December 15th (Sunday)

Hello everyone,
It's been a while since I've posted. I've been living each day one day at a time. The past few days have been especially hard. I don't know what caused this depressive episode, but I've been spending most of my time in bed. My work is piling up. Like most of you advised, I made an appointment to see a counselor, but I had to cancel. That was months ago. I will make another appointment tomorrow. I feel like I'm at a new low. His mother is coming to visit for the holidays. I want to tell her what's going on, but I know she will have to side with her son. I want to tell my mother, but she will tell others and she has her own problems. I married a wolf in sheep's clothing. He does so many things right. I want this nightmare to end.

BS(me): 40
H(serial cheater): 41
Dday: I feel like everyday is dday
Married 19 years but together 21 years
2 kids: 17 and 20

Feeling disillusioned, depressed, and disgusted.

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Exclaimation  Posted: 2:41 PM, December 15th (Sunday)

I'm really concerned about you. I read your thread not knowing it started last summer.

Are you still isolated? Why don't you have friends? Is there anyone you can talk to? A neighbor you are maybe aren't that close with but would sit down and listen to anything you had to say? Does your husband have a hand in your isolation?

You need to be tested for STDs. Tomorrow. Even if you were a few months ago. Do it again.

And go see a lawyer. Explain everything. You need legal and financial advice. You have rights and your husband has financial obligations to you. If you ended up D, your husband would probably have to pay your legal bills. So go see a lawyer this week. Go to IC first, get tested for STDs first. Then see a lawyer for a free consult.

Me: 31, exBGF, now married

Posts: 188 | Registered: Nov 2013 | From: West Coast, USA
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Default  Posted: 2:58 PM, December 15th (Sunday)

Thank you for your reply. I have always been a loner. I've never really had a social life. My life pretty much revolves around my kids, husband, and work. I'm isolated because I really don't know anyone. My husband is clueless about how to help me. He's wrapped up in his own wants and needs. Yesterday, I told him I have no energy to get my work done. He said the more I procrastinate, the more stress I will put on him to have to help me with my work. I don't think he really understands the damage he has done. I guess I'm using this site to vent and to feel less alone. I'm worried about me too. I am going to see a doctor and counselor this week. I think my health is probably also affecting my mood.

BS(me): 40
H(serial cheater): 41
Dday: I feel like everyday is dday
Married 19 years but together 21 years
2 kids: 17 and 20

Feeling disillusioned, depressed, and disgusted.

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Default  Posted: 3:05 PM, December 15th (Sunday)

Iwant2change - after reading everything you posted, there is one thing that sticks out. How you've tried to be everything that he needed - that he wanted. STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is NOT about you. This is NOT your fault.
AGAIN - THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU. HE CHOSE TO CHEAT. You are innocent in all of this. IT IS ALL ON HIM.
Please remember that.

And remember Murphy is right. Nothing is so bad that it can't get worse!!!

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Default  Posted: 3:50 PM, December 15th (Sunday)

Devastated30 hit the nail on the head about your WH's motivations to cheat..It is not about you..

I am almost 20 years older than you..I am looking at divorce as my only decision to make my life better.... I am scared shitless as to how the practicalities of my life will play out during and after D...

I recently retired from my job because I was eligible for full retirement..I am having serious health issues and decided that this was the only way I was gonna get any kind of extended vacation to deal with the shit that was thrown at me by my WH's cheating..

I needed the time and energy to figure out how to get myself out of my marriage without having to begin a work day already distracted and stressed...

I would suggest you try to take some vacation time too if you can...

I did fine in my career and have a modest savings and am living off of my company pension which I will get for the rest of my life..

I would have D'd my WH already if he had been self supporting and had savings and wasn't dependent on me..

The D laws in my state are grossly unfair.. It doesn't matter if one is a cheater...

If a spouse has been unemployed for a long time he or she is eligible for spousal support..

I can't support two households and I have no intention of going back to work to have my paychecks go in support of WH..

Sooo, I am kind of stuck until my WH feels compelled to go back to work and this is already starting to happen...He was on unemployment but now he is running out of money to insure the house, make co payments for his doctor's visits etc..

It is okay not to decide whether to stay or go any time soon but it is a good idea to put your ducks in a row for D and keep a sound(good) exit plan in place for the rest of your life/marriage...

At least there would be the peace of mind of knowing that should your marriage break up, you could be on your own with good shelter, food, and other resources...

So make WH's ability to be self supporting one condition of of being able to stay in the same house with you while you take some time to watch his actions and see how things play out...

[This message edited by doggiediva at 4:48 PM, December 15th (Sunday)]

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