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Default  Posted: 7:42 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

I now have it. It took almost 20 weeks to get to me.

DH is in a job field where the potential for his bad guys to find us and use us against him is a real possiblity. DH is training me, we go to the range as often as we can. I feel good knowing that I have a tool to help me to survive if need be.

My mom, she rolled her eyes at me and said "well, I hope you feel safer now".....and it made me think.

I actually don't feel safer by what she means. I feel empowered to know that I have a tool that will help protect me from anyone trying to hurt me and my family.

Until DH, I really didn't mess with guns, there was no need. Now though, they are a part of everyday life. DS and DD actually help him load his belt up everyday before work, and help him put everything away when he gets home.

We do not hide them from the kids, but we have a huge safe they can't open.

People look at me different now. They shyed away from me, and one even picked different check out lane. I wanted to let them know that my personal choice is made with the upmost love for my family, and I don't flaunt it because i have respect for strangers (but, i am small and fairly thin...its hard to hide a 9mm). That if a robber came in here right now with a gun, I would do my best to protect innocent lives with my gun.

But, those moments are gone before i can say anything.

I dont get the stigma of guns...they were once a staple of standard everyday living. I dont understand the fear of guns in the right hands.

I just wanted you all to know that i am a PROUD Concealed Carry Permit holder now.

And my biggest most heartfelt wish on this earth is that I never ever have to use it.


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Default  Posted: 8:01 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

Congrats!!!
I have had my CCW for about 3 years and because of my knowledge and skill I KNOW I won't be a victim .
If some nut job thinks he can take me he's got another thing coming.

Having that knowledge and confidence changes the way one carries themselves. I highly doubt anyone would approach me just because of how I carry myself.

Guns are not the enemy. When knowledge and training they are very safe. I too carry a 9mm police issue.


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Default  Posted: 8:23 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

I LOVE how easy it is to conceal DH's service pistol is...i HATE the kick it has. Its almost like its top heavy.

I like mine ok, but I would rather have a .38...I know its less power, but I would feel more comfortable with it. I like my 9mm, its just that if i had to have a choice, i would choose the .38.

I will probably get one down the road, or for my birthday - then i can pick and choose.

DH is glad that I am on board with this. He says it eases his worry while he is away from us that at least I have the ability to protect myself and the kids. We have had a few scares, so I know that in the moment, i can do what i need, but its all become of memory conditioning...doing things over and over until they are second nature and you don't think about it.


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Default  Posted: 8:58 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

I travel alone, and stay alone in a fairly remote location a good bit. I will NOT be a victim. I am a responsible gun owner.

The last thing in the world I would ever want to have to do would be to use it, but if it became necessary, I most certainly would.


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Default  Posted: 9:02 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

I just wanted you all to know that i am a PROUD Concealed Carry Permit holder now.

If you live in Texas, you just assume every person has a gun on them...legally or not. It certainly cuts down on the rude driving

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Default  Posted: 9:05 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

I just wanted you all to know that i am a PROUD Concealed Carry Permit holder now.

That's awesome! I'm happy for you.

If you live in Texas, you just assume every person has a gun on them...legally or not. It certainly cuts down on the rude driving


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Default  Posted: 9:11 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

You know what's weird DS? I was thinking the exact opposite. Here you assume nobody has one
Then your 16 year old dd tells you she wants to be a cop and to call and change her schedule to get the courses she needs, and to call your Uncle in law enforcement for college advice. After you physically close your mouth with your hand and make encouraging noises you start thinking about the kid who plays with kittens and who's pigtails you lovingly brushed every day carrying a gun every day as a grown up .

I'm still reeling on this one a bit.



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Default  Posted: 9:15 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

If you live in Texas, you just assume every person has a gun on them...legally or not. It certainly cuts down on the rude driving

So true!


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Default  Posted: 9:18 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

If you live in Texas, you just assume every person has a gun on them...legally or not. It certainly cuts down on the rude driving

So that's where those holes came from in our rental car


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Default  Posted: 9:23 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

After you physically close your mouth with your hand and make encouraging noises you start thinking about the kid who plays with kittens and who's pigtails you lovingly brushed every day carrying a gun every day as a grown up

Aw...meta, it will be all right. (((HUGS)))

See, I can say that because my daughter is still 6


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Default  Posted: 9:23 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

I don't know anyone (except MH's mom) that doesn't own at least one gun. Every neighbor, all family and friends own guns. Even our disabled older neighbor who is in a wheelchair...he sits on one of his guns

I'm not a fan of guns, but I can promise you that is someone was trying to break into our home, the last thing they'd hear is a shotgun going off.

All our neighbors have an agreement to use the Castle Law as well. Not like anything would happen in our old little neighborhood, but it's good to know we all stand by it should we need it.

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Default  Posted: 9:25 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

It's the same in AZ; when we moved there in 1991, they still had drive through guns, ammo & liquor stores-all in the same store! We used to see people with bandaleros strapped across their chests.

I know how to handle a gun; I was taught when I was a child. The X was NYPD and is now a CO. DS had a CCW permit in AZ; I don't know what will happen now that he's in GA.

However, I won't carry a gun. I know I would not use it to take a life. I would not hesitate to use my body to protect myself, but I can't see myself shooting anyone. (I don't hunt either.)

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Default  Posted: 9:50 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

I don't have a problem with people WHO ARE PROPERLY TRAINED carrying. I just know a lot of people who think they know what they are doing and they aren't properly trained.

Getting the license is just one part of carrying. In my state you don't have to renew for 5 years. If you don't practice and train - having the weapon is no guarantee that you will be able to use it properly.

I was never around guns growing up, but SO is a retired LEO and has several loaded weapons in the house and one on his person most of the time. I trust that he has the knowledge and training to use them effectively.

I have tried to become familiar with them, but I just can't make myself learn to shoot. I don't like the way it feels. And I'm afraid that I would hesitate in a dangerous situation which would make me having one ineffective.

Talking about taking another life is one thing - actually doing it is quite another. I have been a victim of violent crime and I still don't believe I could have used deadly force. Protecting my family is another thing, but I would rather do it with a stun gun. That way if I make a mistake I won't be taking a life.

Just my 2 cents.

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Default  Posted: 9:51 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

Good for you!
I'm former military police. I'm comfortable with weapons, and we have - um, well, a few. I work waaaaay out in the boonies, and sometimes I am the only person here, and basically half an hour from the nearest police station. I always carry, usually in my purse (gun purse, complete with hidden holster). For Christmas, MrPip got me an ankle holster for my .38 so now I am literally always carrying at work.

There is no greater equalizer, especially for women and the elderly. I will not be a victim.

slight t/j: Leveling the playing field: It is interesting to note that pioneer women in the Western states knew how to handle arms in order to protect their family and homesteads when the men were away. It is no surprise that women were granted the right to vote in the West earlier than their sisters in the East.


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Default  Posted: 9:57 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

Congrats to you but, it's like looking into a different world- not even all police carry guns here- I've never even touched or seen a real gun apart from outside Buckingham Palace!!

I'm glad you feel empowered but, I'm glad guns are illegal here... Means if someone is shot- it makes headlines of the news no matter what.

I hope you never have to use it either


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Default  Posted: 10:06 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

I just wanted you all to know that i am a PROUD Concealed Carry Permit holder now.

There are many hoplophobics out there. People who are only exposed to bad firearms news in the media will likely never 'get it.' That's OK too.

There are ways to carry concealed and not be detected, including using compacts, but you should rent one first because lighter weight, shorter barrel pistols do have more apparent recoil.

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Default  Posted: 10:29 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

Talking about taking another life is one thing - actually doing it is quite another.

Honestly, I thought about this a lot before even applying for my permit. I told DH that I wanted to be trained and comfortable before I applied, and the 20 weeks after have been used to educate me on gun handling and other fun stuff he learns in training.

I still still think about this after all of that, because in the end, its still a human life.

Then we got a threat...and then another....and then he was sent home early to be with us 'just in case'. After that, i knew in my heart - i would be ok with doing whatever was necessary to protect my family.

It was such a degrading moment to be in fear in my own home because some nut job felon can't grow up and do what he's supposed to do. I felt helpless and then i got really angry that he had the power to do that to me. After that, I changed, I just knew that I could and would if necessary.

I dont want to be in that position, I never want to have to protect myself/family....but I will if i need to


Also, its great to be in the company of SI. I thought you were a great bunch before, but now....man, its nice to feel like I am not alone


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Default  Posted: 10:29 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

I don't have an irrational aversion to weapons!!! Haha and I'm not scared of them- might be scared of the person carrying it under certain circumstances!!

It's just my personal preference, just like I wouldn't carry a knife- although a sword would be pretty cool... En garde!!!

Edited to add- please know I'm not against you one bit and I'm honestly pleased for you. It's just a shame it's what's needed- that's what I meant!!

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Default  Posted: 10:39 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

..recently in a Toronto shopping mall, a couple of teenage gang bangers open-fired to avenge some turf war violation.

..innocent people were shot.

I can't help but wonder if most of the thousand people in that food court had been carrying, how many would have pulled out their guns and started firing at the perpetrators.

..and how many other innocent people would have been hit by all the flying bullets???

..who says when and where it is ok to pull out their gun and use it? Too much is at stake to rely on everyone's single-mindedness to determine for themselves that now is the time to pull the trigger..

..it's not the gun that scares me, it's the mind of the person behind it and just what is going thru it at the time. way too unpredictable!!!!

..using a gun is far too irreversible a decision.. essentially a "FINAL SOLUTION" to an otherwise solvable problem.

..similar to the thoughts of committing suicide.. final solution to a solvable problem..

..you can't fix a bullet to the head if it turns out to be the WRONG head!

..all that being said, i am also aware of the history of guns and the philosophy at work in your Constitution.

..smy

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Default  Posted: 11:02 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

SMY....

I totally agree with you and what you are saying.

I will tell you that as far as I go, pulling out my weapon IS a last resort.

I know it goes without saying, but some people don't really get it. My gun is not a toy. Carrying it is a HUGE responsibilty and I have to act accordingly. This is not a game, there are no do overs, and it could be my end as well. Carrying a gun, while also a deterant, can make me a target.

..who says when and where it is ok to pull out their gun and use it? Too much is at stake to rely on everyone's single-mindedness to determine for themselves that now is the time to pull the trigger..

this is so true...and as far as I am concerned anyone who wants to carry a gun should be required to complete hours on a range and a class on gun safety and situational awareness. I get this for free from DH, but I would have paid for it too.

It is all about being aware of the situation and surroundings before engaging.


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Default  Posted: 11:13 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

..it's not the gun that scares me, it's the mind of the person behind it and just what is going thru it at the time. way too unpredictable!!!!

Amen!

I see a basic contradiction in the main use of guns for protection. In order to protect kids, and in order to protect guns from being stolen, guns need to be kept unloaded in a gun safe.

That means if your home is invaded, you have to get to the safe, open it under great stress, load the guns(s), and then get back to the point of attack.

I just don't see that working very reliably, and that's separate from the issues of training oneself to know and when not to fire, actually shooting another human being, and keeping one's marksmanship reliable.

My bet is that we'd be safer with fewer guns than with more guns in the hands of people who don't use them regularly enough to make them into true tools, but I guess we'll soon see - oops, sorry, pipe dream because the gun industry won't let us gather the true statistics.

That empowerment thing could be a trap, if it gets you to go into a sitch you wouldn't go into without it. A gun may give you an edge if you're the only armed person, but if your adversary is also armed, your odds go way down. If the empowerment makes you over-confident....

If you need to carry, so be it, but wouldn't it be better not to need the firearm?

The world is a risky place, but the vast majority of us do not face threats that make firearms good protection.

Again, if you need a gun for protection, then getting one and learning to use it makes sense. If you hunt, using a gun makes sense.


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Default  Posted: 11:20 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

..and how many other innocent people would have been hit by all the flying bullets???

You mean something like the Hofstra student that was accidentally shot and killed by the police, who were shooting at the perpetrator?

Last month in New York, a scumbag pointed a gun at a mother and her 10 year old daughter and ordered them into their car. He murdered the mother, and raped the 10 year old daughter. Just imagine what the news story had been like if the mom had been armed with a gun. Those who question their ability to use one would likely be searching for a reason not to use one in a similar scenario. If I were that mom, I would have traded my life to prevent my kid from having to live with, not only watching the murder of her mother, but her own subsequent rape.


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Default  Posted: 11:27 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

That means if your home is invaded, you have to get to the safe, open it under great stress, load the guns(s), and then get back to the point of attack.

We have a gun safe and the only time its locked is when we leave our home. We don't have kids nor do our friends that come over have small children running around.

Our guns are within reach (and loaded) in most of the rooms in our home and unless you're(general term) snooping in area's that you shouldn't be, you'd never see them.


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Default  Posted: 11:29 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

I think stories like that show that it's gone too far- when innocent people need guns because everyone else has them. Sad times.

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Default  Posted: 11:44 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

Show me a time in history where bad guys didn't exist, and people never needed weapons. Any society at any time in history.

Most violent crimes in the United States don't even involve a weapon. The majority of rapes don't involve a weapon at all. It's too bad. That number would be drastically lower if the right people had weapons. It's all about balance of power. Criminals will use whatever they can to get an advantage in the balance of power, gun or no gun.

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Default  Posted: 11:55 AM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

If you need to carry, so be it, but wouldn't it be better not to need the firearm?

Yes, I would love to not need a weapon. And a gun is not for everyone for sure. But DH and his job open the door for very ugly people to as they say 'reach out and touch someone'.

Show me a time in history where bad guys didn't exist, and people never needed weapons. Any society at any time in history.

And this is another thing I believe in. Not everyone needs to carry a weapon, but there will always be weapons out there. My current situation and how I view the world has lead me to my conclusion that a gun as a tool of protection is the best way for me. I would also really like to get into self defense and maybe even a hand to hand combat class to give me yet another tool in my pocket.

That means if your home is invaded, you have to get to the safe, open it under great stress, load the guns(s), and then get back to the point of attack.

"The door is not locked for our protection, it is locked for yours"

The only time our guns are not loaded with a full clip and one in the chamber is when they are being cleaned. The only time the safe is locked is when we are not home. What good is a tool if you can't get to it?

(now everyone is going to think i am nuts )


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Default  Posted: 12:36 PM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

Not me, undefinabl13. I totally agree. I recently took a tactical arms course and the instructor said his brain was his safety. Why have a gun as home/personal protection if you can't get to it?

These are sad times, but I don't want to wear blinders and pretend there aren't bad people out there who will take advantage of a situation, i.e., me alone in the middle of nowhere. Or in your case, people who intentionally threaten you and your family for their own agenda. And if they are armed, I damned sure will be, too. You can't "nice" some people into not doing bad things. . .

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Default  Posted: 1:19 PM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

It bothers me that this topic is so us/them. I do not think lethal weapons should be used for self defense. I have my own reasons, but I do think everyone should own a firearm and understand its responsible maintenance, and keep it locked in a gun safe when it is not in use.

I think there is a place for them, and I won't begrudge people their ownership of them, but if someone invades my home I will beat them with a poker or the wooden practice sword before they ever swing that gun up at me, unless they can see me through a wall. If we're outdoors or in an alley I'd rather just give them my wallet or run my ass away if those are my options and C) is gunfight.

These things never go down like they do in movies and instructional videos. I'm told things like mace does not have that long a range, but if I'm that far away, I can run. If I'm closer I can take the gun away and smack the person with it. I feel confident enough in that unless the other person is faster and stronger than I am that I would, in fact, go for that before drawing a concealed weapon I might be carrying myself. Mace and close combat are also great equalizers. BJJ can train a 90lb girl to beat the crap out of a 220lb man.

I do question the quoting of "An armed society is a polite society" since it comes a from a story where everyone is genetically engineered to be awesome and live under a one world government where there's no poverty because society has advanced to an economic socialist utopia and people know they will be reincarnated, with a theme of finding meaning in a society that appears to be meaningless... I dunno. It seems entirely inappropriate to real-world applications of actual armed societies.

Guns definitely have their place, and I do not judge people who want to own and operate them responsibly. It just.. like I said, it doesn't have to be either/or. All of these opinions can be valid, there is a moderate road that accommodates everyone.

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Fun history fact: In 1139 Pope Innocent II banned the use of crossbows, slings and arrows for use against other Christians.

Maybe, Pope Naive... amiright? Sorry.

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Default  Posted: 1:23 PM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

Bad guys exist but guns are a different kettle of fish- the gun related murder rate in the US is 27 or 33 times higher than the UK (taking into account population differences and where you get your data)- surely that's to do with gun laws rather than Americans being more likely to kill??!! You all seem pretty nice to me, I've been to the US a few times- didn't seem particularly murderous bunch! Ha


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Default  Posted: 1:28 PM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

We have a gun safe and the only time its locked is when we leave our home.

Our guns are within reach (and loaded) in most of the rooms in our home and unless you're(general term) snooping in area's that you shouldn't be, you'd never see them.

Ditto BOTH of these points.
I dont have a CCW (yet), but I am working toward getting one within the next couple of years.
In the meantime, hubby and I have a large amount of weapons (he's collected knives and guns since he was able to legally own them). We're both former military and are trained to use them.

We live in a great neighborhood. A few days before Christmas last year, our newest neighbors were the "victims" of a home invasion robbery attempt.
I say "victims" because the homeowner (husband) was shot in the process, but he defended his home (and is alive to talk about it). At the time of the invasion, there were a number of kids there for a sleepover. One of the home invaders was killed in the process and the others have since been arrested.
Had neighbor not had weapons in the home, the story could have turned out a lot differently.

Interestingly enough, there is only one home on our court where the homeowner does NOT have weapons. Since the incident, our neighbors have shared the "joke" that the would-be robbers really chose poorly when they picked our street.

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Default  Posted: 2:14 PM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

What good is a tool if you can't get to it?

Exactly.


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Default  Posted: 2:18 PM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

My bet is that we'd be safer with fewer guns than with more guns in the hands of people who don't use them regularly enough to make them into true tools, but I guess we'll soon see - oops, sorry, pipe dream because the gun industry won't let us gather the true statistics.

Interesting point since gun ownership is way up and yet gun violence is way down (about half the levels of the 1990s and declining).

Yet when asked if people thought that gun violence in the US is (a) increasing (b) about the same or (c) reduced over the past 20 years the most recent (Pew) poll showed:

(a) 56% increasing
(b) 26% about the same
(c) 12% reduced significantly (correct answer)


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Default  Posted: 2:37 PM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

Bad guys exist but guns are a different kettle of fish- the gun related murder rate in the US is 27 or 33 times higher than the UK (taking into account population differences and where you get your data)- surely that's to do with gun laws rather than Americans being more likely to kill??!! You all seem pretty nice to me, I've been to the US a few times- didn't seem particularly murderous bunch! Ha

We don't have a 'gun problem'. We actually have a gang problem. Gang murders account for the huge majority of gun murders. These gang members who get shot will almost never tell you who did it, or anything else. If they live through it, they get their buddies and retaliate by shooting at the shooter and all his friends. It's a never ending cycle, but it won't sell advertising if that's all the news covered.

The difference between the US and the UK is Europe as a whole isn't a gun society. The North American continent was the last frontier so to speak. You don't venture into the woods by yourself miles and miles from the nearest human being and not have some form of protection. Because of that, guns have just been a tool of the trade. In Europe, society's elite have always been the ones to have the guns, and the populations have been rather dense for centuries. You never have to go far to find help. The US is only a few hundred years old; it's a young country. A lot of guns from the civil war and such are still around in families, having been passed down.


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Default  Posted: 3:10 PM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

The difference between the US and the UK is Europe as a whole isn't a gun society. The North American continent was the last frontier so to speak. You don't venture into the woods by yourself miles and miles from the nearest human being and not have some form of protection. Because of that, guns have just been a tool of the trade. In Europe, society's elite have always been the ones to have the guns, and the populations have been rather dense for centuries. You never have to go far to find help. The US is only a few hundred years old; it's a young country. A lot of guns from the civil war and such are still around in families, having been passed down.

This really doesn't work as an argument at all because of several things going on with it at the same time.

wrt what the US and UK is socially, the US was an extension of the UK during its frontier era. A borderland is only as rugged and lawless as the force of law that governs it, and by the time the U.S. had established itself as a nation it had developed as a power significant enough to put a major world power to full stop.

It's also unrealistic to consider the U.S. a "gun society" with weapons passed down from father to son because (and I have one of these from my granddad) they are isolated to specific segments of the population - mirroring your argument that only the elite in European countries owned weapons. Blacks, women, and people who did not own a certain quality and volume of land in the U.S. were either unlikely or flat out barred from owning personal firearms. That elitism was actually much more entrenched over here due to the economic strata of elitism than in Europe, where people had to get dragged out of their homes between harvest and planting seasons to go kill each other and get ridden down by big people on giant horses on a regular basis. Ownership of arms and armor was there, as here, an economic factor more than one of nobility. Going all the way back to the Roman Republic, before the Marian reforms, the reason nobles had weapons and armor was because they could afford them. It is a very European idea that a citizen should own and maintain his own weaponry to be used in the defense of his home/land.

Additionally, wrt population centers, 80% of the worlds population is *still* within 20 miles of an ocean coastline.

Personally I think the lower gun violence rate in the UK is due to an increase in personal safety at the cost of fewer civil liberties. It is not an exchange I would be willing to make, but that does not make the problem with gun violence in our country any less real.


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Default  Posted: 3:14 PM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

Interesting timing, since I was just talking to the aide that saved Gabby Giffords life. And the father of a teacher killed at Sandy Hook.

We are gun owners, but I don't have a CCW. I do carry on occasion, but mostly only when hiking backwoods. What worries me the most, always, about guns is other gun owners and their ability to make solid, rational decisions. Just because someone has a CCW doesn't mean they are now equiped to deescalate a volatile sitaution. I appreciate the OP's position of it being a grave responsibility, not something to be cocky about.


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Default  Posted: 3:35 PM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

I'd be willing to bet that the soldier attacked and hacked to death (and that's being polite) in broad daylight in London today right next to the Royal Military Barracks wished he had been able to legally carry a sidearm!

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Default  Posted: 3:47 PM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

I think he'd wish he was immeasurably wealthy and living on a tropical island somewhere if wishes were involved.


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Default  Posted: 4:59 PM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

I dont understand the fear of guns in the right hands.
I don't have a fear of guns in the right hands. But if I ran into a civilian in line at a grocery store who was carrying? I would have no way of knowing that their hands are the right ones, or what their motivation is for carrying, or what level of training they've got, or that you maintain the weapon appropriately so that it is safe, or that their mental health is... well... healthy.

And I quite likely would move to another line. With haste.


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Default  Posted: 5:02 PM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

And I forgot to mention - congratulations, Undefinabl3. I, too, hope you never have reason to use your weapon.


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Default  Posted: 6:12 PM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

And look at the nationwide drama the completely out of the ordinary attack is in Woolwich-

You knonw what, it's a tricky debate and I'm happy to agree to disagree- I personally don't agree with the gun laws in the US but, I don't live there so my opinion is worthless- I'm OK with that

Edited to add- I just wanted to say about the Woolwich thing- he was struck by a car randomly before those psychos attacked him- the answer to every attack isn't a gun. I very much doubt it would have made a difference today and that comment will be no comfort to that poor guy's family and friends.

OK, I'm done now! Phew...

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Default  Posted: 7:00 PM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

This is what I, as a Canadian, do not understand about Americans. Unless we hunt, we do not own guns. If we hunt, our guns are registered. Except that is, the unregistered Saturday night specials that whackos buy in the US and smuggle across the border to use in crimes. My other half is American and says if he lived in an area (i.e., many parts of America) where most people packed guns, he'd do so, too. I tell him he'd better not suggest we live in such a place because he'd be living there alone. And I mean it.


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Default  Posted: 8:03 PM, May 22nd (Wednesday)

Ownership of arms and armor was there, as here, an economic factor more than one of nobility. Going all the way back to the Roman Republic, before the Marian reforms, the reason nobles had weapons and armor was because they could afford them. It is a very European idea that a citizen should own and maintain his own weaponry to be used in the defense of his home/land.

Any time the Romans grew tired of anyone, they confiscated all their weapons. That's part of the reason there is no more Roman Republic. Many of the European countries also have a long history of conscription. Weapons were associated with military. Here, the revolution was fought by a bunch of farmers. When they started getting bullied, the British tried the old confiscate trick.

I hear a lot of people say they could never see a reason for regular folks to fight their own government. I often wonder what it must have been like to live daily under that threat. It was important enough for the writers of the Constitution to put it right behind freedom of just about everything. When you create a town, one of the first things you do is establish law and order. The second amendment does just that. We the people are responsible for the law and order of our country.


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Default  Posted: 3:13 AM, May 23rd (Thursday)

I have an aversion to guns. Yes I understand it's the person behind the weapon that does the damage but I can say I still don't like guns. I give those who carry and use them responsibly and legally all the credit in the world. I personally grew up in a horrible neighborhood where bullets flew every weekend, no exaggeration. I've seen multiple people shot and have known people who had a family member get shot and go out and get a gun for some revenge. Guaranteed there would be another ambulance on our block the next weekend. My b/f in high school got held up at gunpoint when coming to pick me up one day. I never backtalked to anyone on the block for fear that they'd pull a gun on me. Insults were not taken lightly there. I know in each instance it was the person behind the gun and not the gun that was the problem but I developed an abhorrence to them. SO wants a permit, hell he wants to be a cop. His dad had a gun collection in his home in NC. When his dad passed we went down and started cataloging all of it. I refused to touch the guns. Once again this is in no way against those who carry legally and safely its just not for me and giving one reason why some have an aversion to them.

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Default  Posted: 3:41 AM, May 23rd (Thursday)

The difference between the US and the UK is Europe as a whole isn't a gun society. The North American continent was the last frontier so to speak. You don't venture into the woods by yourself miles and miles from the nearest human being and not have some form of protection. Because of that, guns have just been a tool of the trade. In Europe, society's elite have always been the ones to have the guns, and the populations have been rather dense for centuries. You never have to go far to find help. The US is only a few hundred years old; it's a young country. A lot of guns from the civil war and such are still around in families, having been passed down.

Same with Oz but we have stricter gun control and less gun murders per head than USA. I am happy I live here and our kids don't have to be frisked at school and can play safely on the street etc. I am soooo lucky to live where I do.


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Default  Posted: 4:27 AM, May 23rd (Thursday)

Living daily under threat would be horrendous, it's happening all over the world.

I think at the time it was written, it was probably a good idea. Nowadays, I root for democracy and if I were American and didn't agree with the government, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't take up arms. I'm sure Americans wouldn't either btw!!


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Default  Posted: 5:47 AM, May 23rd (Thursday)

I just wanted you all to know that i am a PROUD Concealed Carry Permit holder now.

And my biggest most heartfelt wish on this earth is that I never ever have to use it.

Congratulations! I completely get the following sentiment. I don't want to HAVE to use it anywhere but the range!

I bought my first gun all by myself! My CC is next on my list.
My application is sitting on my table next to me filled out and ready to take to the courthouse! I won't send it in before my trip out the country next month.

I have this fear that I'll be put on some special-secret naughty list and have to endure extra pat downs!


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Red  Posted: 6:06 AM, May 23rd (Thursday)

A general reminder to all:

Please keep politics out of this discussion. It's great to see the differing views, but politics have no place on SI.


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Default  Posted: 6:58 AM, May 23rd (Thursday)

Any time the Romans grew tired of anyone, they confiscated all their weapons. That's part of the reason there is no more Roman Republic. Many of the European countries also have a long history of conscription. Weapons were associated with military. Here, the revolution was fought by a bunch of farmers. When they started getting bullied, the British tried the old confiscate trick.

No, the reason there was no more Roman Republic is because there was a large section of veterans who felt ill used by their government and citizen armies had been replaced by professional standing armies. Those armies became more loyal to their leaders than to their country and in walked people like Caesar to establish the Triumvirate. It had absolutely nothing to do with weapons being taken away - if anything it had everything to do with replacing a citizen conscript army with professional standing armies.

Saying that the United States Revolutionary Army was a bunch of farmers is incredible oversimplification and almost a discredit to people like Von Steuben - while my admiration for Greene is almost childlike awe, the Revolution would have failed were it not for the training and inclusion of professional soldiers.


I hear a lot of people say they could never see a reason for regular folks to fight their own government. I often wonder what it must have been like to live daily under that threat. It was important enough for the writers of the Constitution to put it right behind freedom of just about everything. When you create a town, one of the first things you do is establish law and order. The second amendment does just that. We the people are responsible for the law and order of our country.

Except this has nothing to do with gun regulation. It's an irrelevant talking point because nobody actually wants to own a gun for the sole purpose of keeping the government in check. I think everyone should, and for that purpose, and should be required to drill with a community militia in order to retain citizenship, but most people use this as a reason while looking at firearms as an entitlement similar to vehicles without really grasping the very serious and dangerous nature of these things. It is pure divisive rhetoric to imply that one group is more patriotic than another by waving an amendment that hasn't been honestly employed since the Whiskey Rebellion, IMO.

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If I'm spilling into the political too much I apologize and will back out, the historical stuff has me snared.

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Default  Posted: 7:19 AM, May 23rd (Thursday)

This is what I, as a Canadian, do not understand about Americans. Unless we hunt, we do not own guns.

Don't hunt, own guns.

If we hunt, our guns are registered. Except that is, the unregistered Saturday night specials that whackos buy in the US and smuggle across the border to use in crimes.

Actually not anymore. After a waste of billions of dollars on a registry that was filled with errors, it was finally abolished. It is only handguns, and a few select rifles that look scary in pictures that need to be registered. And yes, looking scary in pictures was the sole criteria used to make that list according to documents released under Access to Information requests for all documents related to compiling the list. It was a photocopy of the industry catalog with X's through some of the pictures. FTR, Saturday Night Special is actually a racist term used to describe inexpensive handguns which were often the only affordable weapons available within certain socio-economic groups within the US.

I will never understand the obsession people have with gun murders. I think we should be talking about murders period. I personally would not feel any better if instead of being shot they were pushed out of windows. As for other differences between the US and other countries, it is almost impossible to adjust for socio-economic and cultural issues. The US is much more economically stratified than other countries, and North America has much more cultural diversity, which presents a great deal more opportunity for conflict.

CCW permits used to be a "have to know someone" kind of thing until fairly recently. It was only after Florida adopted their policy in 1987 and saw measurable positive results that other states began to issue as well.

I recall reading a study done to determine what training should be required for granting a CCW. The result of the study was that the training required to obtain a permit was a statistically irrelevant factor with respect to public safety related to the permit issue. CCW holders are far less likely to be involved in a wrongful shooting than police, and far less likely to hit an innocent bystander than police. They are also less likely to be involved in other crimes than the police. None of these comments are meant to disparage police, but since they are always being held up as the model (at the very least by themselves), then what does that say about the population that hold CCW's?

As far as the level of training that was found to be statistically irrelevant, well that varies according to jurisdiction. It ranges from something resembling a community college course, to being literate enough to fill out and mail a form. Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, and Wyoming have recently elected to follow the longstanding example of Vermont and adopt a Constitutional Carry policy wherein a permit is not required. Convicted felons are of course prohibited from possessing firearms under any circumstances.


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Default  Posted: 7:22 AM, May 23rd (Thursday)

StillGoing- I just wanted to say, because it made me smile, we don't agree on guns but I agree with most of your last post...

I almost went there with the Romans but honestly, they're done to death in schools here so I'm still not ready to talk about them! Haha

I will say that there were many reasons the Roman Republic fell- the fact it wasn't a true republic, internal conflicts, lack of proper soldiers, tax problems, greedy officials, no police is even a factor!

In britain the army were struggling to defend against Germanic tribes- the empire was already weak. This is when we became anglo saxons, until the bloody vikings, then the pesky normans... I digress. There were many reasons, most countries have a bloody gory past- I'd like to think we're more civilised although- I'll say again, a sword would be cool- I wouldn't slay anyone I'd just speak posh and ride a horse.


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Default  Posted: 7:27 AM, May 23rd (Thursday)

I want to apologize to Undefinabl3 for derailing that far and say props to you. I think you have a great attitude towards CC and also hope you never have to use it.


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Default  Posted: 7:58 AM, May 23rd (Thursday)

I want to apologize to Undefinabl3 for derailing that far and say props to you. I think you have a great attitude towards CC and also hope you never have to use it.


Listen the one thing that i LOVE about this place is the mass of information and learning I get.

I dont see it as a derailment, I see it as an oppertunity to learn something new.

There is so much I agree with here that poeople may not think that I do.

1. I don't think that everyone should own a gun. I wish that we didn't have the need for guns (other then for hunting game), but we do.

2. I am just as scare of untrained and uneducated CCW permit holders and carriers as you all are. For everyone one of my DH and I, there are probably 10 or more of those that just want a gun as a deterant and never train with it. We share this fear.

3. I do think that there needs to be more requirements to get a CCW permit. Those that wish to have one should need to complete at least 10 hours on a range with a trainer and take a class in situational awareness.

4. I compeletly respect those that dont want to have anything to do with guns (my mom is one of them, she's already ask that I not wear it when we are out and about together, and I will comply with her wish). I don't want to make people feel uncomfortable, but it's a give and take.

Here where I work we just had an "Empty Holster Protest" because we are a gun free zone. I did it along with just a handful of people. I answered more questions in that week then I have ever in my life.

There were so many people that were like "wow, while I probably wont carry, its really good to talk to someone who does."

It really is about educating yourself, even if you dont want to carry.

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Default  Posted: 8:28 AM, May 23rd (Thursday)

I would be terrified of seeing someone with a gun strapped to them in a grocery store. Sometimes that person is sane and educated, other times that person is a mass murderer. How on earth are you supposed to know which one it is? I would move to another line for certain. No offense.

a scumbag pointed a gun at a mother and her 10 year old daughter and ordered them into their car. He murdered the mother, and raped the 10 year old daughter. Just imagine what the news story had been like if the mom had been armed with a gun.

The headlines would have looked the same, probably. The guy with the gun has planed this, was prepared, was on the offensive and got the jump on her. In movies someone can be at gunpoint and subtly whip a gun out of their purse and get the safety off and point the gun - all without being shot - but in reality? Not likely. The Boston marathon bombers had almost no experience with guns and they managed to kill an armed, trained police officer before he even got his gun out of his holster.

In fact that led to tons of local stories about how many victims ARE found with guns in the house, or in their car, and simply didn't have the chance to get to them.

I also think it's important that couples who have guns agree to go to counseling to deal with any anger issues and acquire better than average communication skills!

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Default  Posted: 8:50 AM, May 23rd (Thursday)

I also think it's important that couples who have guns agree to go to counseling to deal with any anger issues and acquire better than average communication skills!

Ironically DH said after I got the CC Permit "man, i guess i better not piss you off now"....as if.

if he's going out, its by way of a frying pan over his head.


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Default  Posted: 9:30 AM, May 23rd (Thursday)

The frying pan made me laugh- my wife once threw a teapot at me- we both remember it but can't for life of us remember why a teapot was close by- we don't drink much tea and never use a teapot!

This is the same woman that when I was bent over and my butt crack was showing poured boiling water from a kettle down as a joke "oooh sorry!! I didn't know it had boiled" - yeah right, the steam wasn't a give away!!


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Default  Posted: 9:47 AM, May 23rd (Thursday)

lighter weight, shorter barrel pistols do have more apparent recoil
Yep, I can vouch for that.


This is the same woman that when I was bent over and my butt crack was showing poured boiling water from a kettle down as a joke "oooh sorry!! I didn't know it had boiled" - yeah right, the steam wasn't a give away!!

Are you kidding me??? And you are still with her????


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Default  Posted: 9:50 AM, May 23rd (Thursday)

It wasn't done in anger- she thought it was funny!! It was years and years ago!! Ha


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Default  Posted: 10:05 AM, May 23rd (Thursday)

It wasn't done in anger- she thought it was funny!! It was years and years ago!! Ha
Wow, I would hate to see what she does when she IS angry.


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Just read my profile!!


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To my friends of SI, for any of you who may be interested in a firearms purchase, help cutting through B.S. from a seller, or have questions concerning firearms/ammunition, I gladly offer up experience to pay it forward to the great folks of SI via PM. I have no agenda or sales angle to this; I simply wish to help those who may have an interest with something I love.

I don't presume to be a know-it-all, or final authority, but along the way I have:

- Professional firearm sales of all types, to include custom made firearms, and military exotics. I especially emphasized sales to women.

- Have and hold a current federal firearms license (03).

- Experience as range officer in charge for the US military (Army Infantry), to include training soldiers in the use of sidearm, service rifle, light machine gun, guided missile, and automatic cannon.

- Hired by a propellants company to work in sales and the ballistics lab to engineer, develop and test ammunition, and help with the writing of their manual.

- 32 years of reloading, making 100% of my center fire ammunition (approx 24 calibers), to include custom case forming, load development, load testing (chronograph and terminal) bullet casting, instructing/consulting individuals, etc.

Again, I hope this post does not look like a some sort of brag-fest; that's not what I am about, I just want to help my friends at SI if I can.

P.S. Anyone who might be in the need of someone like me, I sure could use the work... If you are hiring, I'd be interested in talking with you.


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SandAway
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Default  Posted: 1:06 PM, May 23rd (Thursday)

When we lived in TX we went to our first gun show (2003) and were quite surprised at how easy it was to get a gun - Private sale = No ID required

We both got our concealed license. During my class while we were outside shooting (it was a hot summer day) an old man passed out while shooting at the target!

The instructor simply grabbed a chair, propped him up in it, and let him continue!

If you live in Texas, you just assume every person has a gun on them..

That is truth right there! They make it SO EASY to own one!!!


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purplebreeze
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Default  Posted: 1:31 PM, May 23rd (Thursday)

I don't have a concealed carry, but have been shooting targets since I was a child. I enjoy going to the range and having fun. We carry them when hiking and backpacking because who knows when you may need them.

FWH has had a concealed carry for a very long time. When he first got it, one had to take classes to show proficiency in handling the weapon and a course on knowing the legalities of using a gun for self defense. You had to renew it every 3 years by taking a refresher class. Now, they did away with the classes and any one can carry concealed. I don't like the new law. I think the classes were a great requirement.

We own a gun safe to keep everything locked up when children are here in the house. I think gun owners owe it to themselves and society to be knowledgeable about their weapon and secure and teach children gun safety.


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TrulyReconciled
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Default  Posted: 11:47 AM, May 29th (Wednesday)

Edited to add- I just wanted to say about the Woolwich thing- he was struck by a car randomly before those psychos attacked him- the answer to every attack isn't a gun. I very much doubt it would have made a difference today and that comment will be no comfort to that poor guy's family and friends.

I didn't mean it to be a comfort to his family and friends. It was meant as support for the right to self-defense (the subject of the OP).

Do you know anyone who has been a victim of violent crime? If you ask a victim of violent crime if they would have preferred to have been able to fight back against their attacker they invariably say, after the fact, "Yes."


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idiot85
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Default  Posted: 4:53 AM, May 30th (Thursday)

I don't want to argue- I just disagree and that's OK isn't it? I'm sure I'll agree with many other things you say- just not this.

I don't want everyone in London to carry a gun- I don't feel it will help our society.

When I was a school boy I decided to jump to the rescue of a mate- got stabbed in my leg with a screwdriver- did I want to stab the dickhead back? No. Did I want to shoot him? Certainly not. What was it the psycho who tried to hack the poor drummers head off said "eye for an eye"? No thank you.

I respectfully disagree- it's not my country so I can't possibly judge too harshly. I just know I don't want it here.


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TrulyReconciled
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Default  Posted: 10:29 AM, May 30th (Thursday)

FYI I've lived in both countries. For years in the UK.


"In a time of deceit, telling the Truth is a revolutionary act."

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idiot85
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Default  Posted: 11:03 AM, May 30th (Thursday)

Oh that's cool possibly a slight t/j but I've thought about living abroad before- I think I'm too much of a home bird though! I've been to the US 4 times but I was only 9 the first time and it was Disneyland so I'm not sure it counts as a cultural experience! ha. Since my kids are young we tend to stay in Europe- 3 year old on a long haul flight? No thanks!! ha. end t/j

Yeah it's a tough one for the US so I don't like to judge too much apart from maybe a quick knee jerk reaction initially. When my common sense kicks in- I don't think my opinion's important if you get me?! I can only comment on my little old london town- 'up norf' is too far away for me 'saaarf london' and I'll comment ha


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Dark Inertia
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Default  Posted: 11:10 AM, May 30th (Thursday)

I live in the U.S... And I am a Texan 100%... I have never owned a gun, and have quite the aversion to it. But I know I am in the minority.


"If I listened earlier, I wouldn't be here. But that's just the trouble with me. I give myself very good advice, but I very seldom follow it."

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idiot85
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Default  Posted: 11:19 AM, May 30th (Thursday)

I've been to Texas- to Lewisville... there's a lake there and tasty sticky food. That was my experience of Texas and I liked it!! Oh and eff me it was bloody hot!!! My vampiric white skin baked. Just sayin... Over and out!!


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