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uniquenewyork
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Default  Posted: 2:03 PM, May 31st (Friday)

So, I check my W's work email on occasion. Today was such an occasion. She knows, gives me the password, etc.
At 10:30 last night, the former mOM sent her an email, saying that he was cleaning out his email and came across one that he had sent her over a year ago. It was a request for a donation (my W runs a small charity org, as just part of her job). Then, he said "Lunch next week?"

Okay, so she kept it in her in box all day today. She knows I check, but she kept it around. I didn't see a reply to him. I actually just checked again, and now it's gone, but nothing in Sent.

AFAIK, she hasn't spoken to him in going on a couple of years (AFAIK). But, he asked her out to lunch?!?! I ratted him out to his wife and his BW let me know about contact that they had post NC, etc.

So, is he that stupid? Should I ask my W about it. I was (and still am) hoping that she will mention it to me. (I made a screen cap of it, so I can always send it to his BW).
I'm not terribly worried that she will go to lunch with him, but I will have my eyes peeled.

Thoughts on how to approach this? Needless to say, that put a damper on my day...


Me(BS): 44/Her(WS): 43
S:11,D:8,D:6
Affair with OM#1 before we were married.
Couple day fling w/ OM#2
Me as a WS: late '07-early '08.
EA/PA with OM#3: 2/16/09 (many D-days after, broken NC.)
EA/PA with OM#4: Found September '10; PA

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authenticnow
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Default  Posted: 2:06 PM, May 31st (Friday)

It's very concerning that your W didn't tell you. I'd definitely talk to her about it today.

And yes, I'd send it to his wife.


Take up your space (and do it well).

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cayc
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Default  Posted: 2:07 PM, May 31st (Friday)

You need to speak up and ask why she didn't say anything to you. It's not ok to just delete and not mention. Even if you're monitoring her email and she knows you saw it, it's not being transparent to just say nothing. It is, in fact, rugsweeping b/c clearly she doesn't want to deal with, face it, face you.


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M 8 years, together 10
Real DDay 10/07/11
Too many OW to count.
D final on 6/21/12
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uniquenewyork
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Default  Posted: 2:10 PM, May 31st (Friday)

For the record, she didn't get the email until this morning, so I am going to see if she says anything tonight. If not, I'll say something.

It's all very curious. They have no contact for almost 2 yrs. and he says "Lunch next week?" That seems a little too familiar for not having spoken...


Me(BS): 44/Her(WS): 43
S:11,D:8,D:6
Affair with OM#1 before we were married.
Couple day fling w/ OM#2
Me as a WS: late '07-early '08.
EA/PA with OM#3: 2/16/09 (many D-days after, broken NC.)
EA/PA with OM#4: Found September '10; PA

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luv_lost
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Default  Posted: 2:11 PM, May 31st (Friday)

I agree with the previous posters. She should have said something right away and if it was honestly not possible to say let you know right when she received it, she should have let you know asap. Or say, hey can't talk right now but gotta tell you something when I'm free. (I dunno, maybe she had a meeting...whatever but you get my point).

This is not behaviour that rebuilds trust.

I would def send to the OM'S BW. She deserves to know he's still an ass.


BW (me) 31
WH 33
DS1 8 yrs.
DS2 1 yr.

Anniversary 6/09/04
DDay 6/27/09
Wedding 3/15/12
DDay2 5/5/13

presently working towards...well i don't know anymore...


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Happydays
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Default  Posted: 2:19 PM, May 31st (Friday)

I'd wait for 24 hours.
She must have genuinely forgot to mention the email received from former OM.
In that case I'd cook up a conversation regarding some email related stuff which should make her remember to tell you.
Deleting before telling you, is not good for M health or R health for that matter.
ETA:
After giving cues to speak up about the email, she doesn't talk about it, I'd be mighty suspicious.

[This message edited by Happydays at 2:21 PM, May 31st (Friday)]


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DS: 3 year old.
Dday 10/14/2012
No remorse so:
Divorced 02/15/2013. No alimony, no CS, got apartment. Won all battles and mind games off the courts.

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gonnabe2016
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Default  Posted: 2:22 PM, May 31st (Friday)

Perhaps I'm looking at a horse and seeing a zebra, but the "Lunch next week?" seems pretty darn casual and friendly for a person that is contacting someone after not speaking for a couple of years. Of course, the guy could just be an awkward social bumbler....or maybe I'm channeling Miss Manners.

(I just saw your newest post....and see that you noticed the same thing that I did.)


"Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive." - Sir Walter Scott

In my effort to be *concise*, I often come off as blunt and harsh. Sorry, don't mean to be offensive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCyL6pa_L4M


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gonnabe2016
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Default  Posted: 2:23 PM, May 31st (Friday)

Was the email in her trash? Or had she deleted it from there also?


"Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive." - Sir Walter Scott

In my effort to be *concise*, I often come off as blunt and harsh. Sorry, don't mean to be offensive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCyL6pa_L4M


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uniquenewyork
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Default  Posted: 2:47 PM, May 31st (Friday)

The email was in her Inbox all day. Now, it's nowhere to be found. Not in trash (but there are hundreds in there).
It's weird. I access her webmail, so it may not be an accurate reflection of her "real" mail. Also, it seems that when she accesses her email from her phone, it doesn't "record" her operations accurately. KWIM?


Me(BS): 44/Her(WS): 43
S:11,D:8,D:6
Affair with OM#1 before we were married.
Couple day fling w/ OM#2
Me as a WS: late '07-early '08.
EA/PA with OM#3: 2/16/09 (many D-days after, broken NC.)
EA/PA with OM#4: Found September '10; PA

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gonnabe2016
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Default  Posted: 2:58 PM, May 31st (Friday)

I would then suggest that you wait a day or so to see if she brings it up on her own. If she doesn't, perhaps a bit of investigative work is warranted before you address it.

The fact that there hasn't been contact in a couple of years, along with the overly-familiar tone of the email, and that it happened today....should bother your wife enough for her to not *forget* about it.

I vote for a *wait and watch* approach.....with perhaps the subtle email references dropped into conversation that were suggested to you earlier.

eta: dropping an email reference into conversation gives a way to *broach* the subject without you having to sound accusatory....and might be helpful for her in case she is having a problem with *how* to bring it up.....

[This message edited by gonnabe2016 at 3:01 PM, May 31st (Friday)]


"Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive." - Sir Walter Scott

In my effort to be *concise*, I often come off as blunt and harsh. Sorry, don't mean to be offensive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCyL6pa_L4M


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5454real
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Default  Posted: 3:17 PM, May 31st (Friday)

personally, I would wait a week. completely deleting the email is one heck of a large red flag. I don't know if it's possible in your situation, but I would monitor for lunches for the next week.

at the end of the week I would forward the email to the betrayed wife, and I would have a serious boundary discussion with my Fww. that of course is assuming that nothing happens at lunch.

strength


BH 50, WW 41
DS 23(Mine),SD 21,SS 19(Hers),DS 8 Ours, DGS 2 1/2
D=Day #1 5/04EA (Rugswept)
D-Day #2 3/10/12, TT til 3/13/12
Married 10yrs
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Default  Posted: 3:24 PM, May 31st (Friday)

Why is everyone saying wait? I'd call my WH right away. After a while, you get sick and tired of the cloak and dagger drama. At least, I hope you all do/will. Call her at work. See what she says.


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Default  Posted: 3:40 PM, May 31st (Friday)

I would also suggest waiting a little bit to see if she brings it up. It could be she knows it will put a damper on things and is waiting a little bit to collect her thoughts and tell you gently. BUT.. there is no excuse in my mind for erasing it without telling you. That bothers me. Give her a chance to do the right thing, but don't let it go too long, and definitely confront if she doesn't come forth with it.



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Default  Posted: 3:42 PM, May 31st (Friday)

m3, I see your point. But I think it's important to wait because if he brings it up, she's going to say she was going to tell him, and he will never know if that is true. If he waits a bit, she may tell him and I think her honesty there would be a huge relief.
I'd rather give my husband the chance to do the right thing so I knew without a doubt he'd make the right choice.
Though knowing me I would confront the second I saw it because I shoot from the hip and have zero patience

[This message edited by metamorphisis at 3:43 PM, May 31st (Friday)]



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solus sto
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Default  Posted: 3:46 PM, May 31st (Friday)

What's to be gained by waiting?!

I would ask, tonight, why only ONE email from her work email was deleted from BOTH her inbox AND trash: the email from OM.

I agree, the cloak-and-dagger stuff is for the birds. Why should a BS's anxiety be left at Defcon 1 when simple conversation can resolve the matter, one way or the other?

Unique, I agree that the "lunch next week?" is very casual for someone not in contact. It may be that he's now pushing boundaries and testing the safety of work email.

I would want to know whether there has been other communication (waiting won't answer that), why the email was deleted before you were told and could read it with her (waiting won't answer that), and what the plan is to ensure future NC (waiting won't answer that).

Transparency is crucial. Waiting may give you an idea of whether your wife is being transparent...but really, you already know that she hasn't been, at least today.

So talk about it. Find out if there have been other days she hasn't been transparent.


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WH(Mr. Trac-fone), 52, PD
2 kids-DD25, DS17
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Heavy Sigh
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Default  Posted: 3:55 PM, May 31st (Friday)

M33 and solus - I'm dumbfounded you'd both ask why wait.

If you ask a WS about the email, they lie. Nearly always. Even if it's just to avoid drama and not that the WS plans to resume the affair. Drama avoidance. Conversations with a WS are worthless if they're lying.

But if you wait, then you can figure out what they ACTUALLY WILL DO (like respond to it or really meet for lunch). And that makes all the difference in the world as to whether or not a WS is trustworthy and whether or not a BS wants to remain married to this person

My Opinion: People who confront early and don't investigate are chicken. They would rather the WS lie than to have to deal with the truth if it's not good. So they confront early so that a WS can lie, or go more deeply underground by being tipped off.

[This message edited by Heavy Sigh at 4:02 PM, May 31st (Friday)]


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uniquenewyork
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Default  Posted: 4:10 PM, May 31st (Friday)

I am going to wait...a bit. 1) to see if she brings it up, which is doubtful; she's a pro rugsweeper,and 2) to monitor. Didnt like the tone. Of course now i get to be anxious. I'm sure tjat she knows there is a chance that i saw it. But she will most likely wait for me to bring it up--thinking that if i didnt see it, i wouldnt bring it up. .se


Me(BS): 44/Her(WS): 43
S:11,D:8,D:6
Affair with OM#1 before we were married.
Couple day fling w/ OM#2
Me as a WS: late '07-early '08.
EA/PA with OM#3: 2/16/09 (many D-days after, broken NC.)
EA/PA with OM#4: Found September '10; PA

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Default  Posted: 4:24 PM, May 31st (Friday)

My Opinion: People who confront early and don't investigate are chicken.

So I agree that in a lot of cases, including this one, it makes sense to wait a bit an collect evidence.

I wholeheartedly disagree that those who confront immediately are "chicken" and would rather their WS lie. Sometimes emotion just takes over. It takes a HELL of a lot of wherewithal to go into investigative mode instead of just blowing the lid off the case because your universe was just upended.

I'm terrible at keeping things under my hat, but not because I'm chicken. Impulsive, sure. I also have this thing where I need my reality to be REAL, and I need it yesterday. People trying to hide things don't like me - what can I say.

Sorry to t/j. I just think that the namecalling was really unnecessary.


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And next year's words await another voice.
And to make an end is to make a beginning. - T.S. Eliot

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5454real
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Default  Posted: 4:29 PM, May 31st (Friday)

If a ww is going to cheat, there really is no way to stop her, just drive it deeper underground. Right now you have an opportunity to check both her honesty and fidelity. If she thinks you didn't see it you have an identifiable timeframe in which to 'catch' them. Confrontation about the deleted e-mail can wait until after that window of opportunity closes.

Damn, I really hope she comes home and admits to it.

Infidelity sux.

ETA I agree with Jrazz "Sorry to t/j. I just think that the namecalling was really unnecessary."

[This message edited by 5454real at 4:31 PM, May 31st (Friday)]


BH 50, WW 41
DS 23(Mine),SD 21,SS 19(Hers),DS 8 Ours, DGS 2 1/2
D=Day #1 5/04EA (Rugswept)
D-Day #2 3/10/12, TT til 3/13/12
Married 10yrs
“I have no love for a friend who loves in words alone.”
― Sophocles, Antigone

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metamorphisis
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Default  Posted: 5:34 PM, May 31st (Friday)

People who confront early and don't investigate are chicken

Duly noted. Good thing I don't care if you think I'm a chicken. Look I was overwhelmed. I literally went from "My partner loves me and is not having sex with someone else" to "Oh.. apparently he is."

Being tactical was the last thing on my mind. Murder was pretty much at the forefront.

But in the end.. who the heck cares? Do what's best for you uniquenewyork (and everyone), and if that turns out to be the totally wrong thing.. approach it a different way. Last time I checked it wasn't a contest on who handled this shit show perfectly.

[This message edited by metamorphisis at 5:46 PM, May 31st (Friday)]



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Default  Posted: 5:49 PM, May 31st (Friday)

Just my opinion, wait to see what happens. And while you're doing that, get your ducks in a row and be ready to put your foot down. The fact that she deleted it showed you her intentions already..

Blowing everything up right away gives you no chance to do some PI work as it gives them a chance to go further underground..

R requires complete transparency, and she's showing you she's not willing to give you that.

And I agree with Gonna. "Lunch next week?" is WAY to casual for people who haven't spoken in a long time..

Hugs..


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S 10/2012
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gonnabe2016
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Default  Posted: 7:24 PM, May 31st (Friday)

Why is everyone saying wait?

Here's why I voted for *wait*.

1) Blameshifting and gaslighting only add to the anxiety and drama. I didn't like the *tone* of the "lunch next week"....and if there is any chance that something is going on that shouldn't be? She's gonna lie like a rug.

2) It's been a couple of years and *R* is occurring (hopefully). That's enough time to re-set the clock to an *initial*-type confrontation with evidence. As someone who was on the "we are in R"...8 months later....oh wait...."no we aren't. there's something *new*".....for a very long time? The WS gets kinda 'fat & happy' and feels as if *it's in the past*. So new discoveries bring on all of the same old shit, IME.

Unique, you have no idea how much I hope that your wife comes home tonight and tells you that the douche sent her an email and "who the hell does he think he is?!" *fingers crossed*


"Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive." - Sir Walter Scott

In my effort to be *concise*, I often come off as blunt and harsh. Sorry, don't mean to be offensive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCyL6pa_L4M


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Default  Posted: 9:54 PM, May 31st (Friday)

@Unique%
This is an opportunity to know if you've been in a true R for two years.
Tread carefully.
I really hope your wife comes up with , " oh yeah, did I mention l got an email....."

All the best to you mate!


BH 33
FWW 32
DS: 3 year old.
Dday 10/14/2012
No remorse so:
Divorced 02/15/2013. No alimony, no CS, got apartment. Won all battles and mind games off the courts.

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Default  Posted: 9:57 PM, May 31st (Friday)

I had the same thing happen last month except it was two text messages from OW, then WH waited 3weeks and called her supposably to tell her to leave us alone. He never told me and I found it on the phone bill. Now we are back to square one after almost a year of NC, because he lied by ommission again, supposably to protect me, but in actuality he was protecting himself again. Give her a little time to confess she received the e-mail and why she deleted it. If she doesn't then you know she is still rug sweeping and not fully into R. Good luck!!! Oh, I also agree that the tone of that e-mail is not what someone would say after NC for two years. That doesn't even make sense. As Judge Judy says if it doesn't make sense, it isn't true.


BW-50
WH#2-51
M-9 yrs T-11 yrs
4 children-none together
DD#1-9/5/11 LTA 2yrs
DD#2-7/3/12 False R
DD#3-4/29/13 (OW broke NC)
Status: Your guess is as good as mine.

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Default  Posted: 11:53 PM, May 31st (Friday)

I apologize. Poor choice of words. Early on, I also blurted out everything and expected to hear the truth. But now, after all of this time here, I'd know to keep quiet (pretending I had the flu or something to distance myself if I was worried I'd blurt out anything) and wait.


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Default  Posted: 5:05 AM, June 1st (Saturday)

My Opinion: People who confront early and don't investigate are chicken. They would rather the WS lie than to have to deal with the truth if it's not good. So they confront early so that a WS can lie, or go more deeply underground by being tipped off.


I think some of it more about personality types.

I don't tend to wait around for long - I hate having things hanging over my head.

It works both ways - I think confronting early kept my WH off balance - he had less time to come up with his blameshifting bull.

I struggle with getting the balance in this - I don't want to be trying to trip my WH up - I just want truth!


BS: 47 (me)
WH: 51
Married 26 yrs, 3 kids (16-24)
D-Days 2012: 21 - 23 May + TT
D-Day 2013: 12 Apr OW#3
mOW #1 EA yrs PA Feb 2009-end 2011
mOW #2 EA months PA 4 months 2010
OW #3 PA single time 2010
Status: Maybe 'R'

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Default  Posted: 6:25 AM, June 1st (Saturday)

Well said Meta. I wish I wouldn't of confronted when I did - I was in denial and relied on hope that I was wrong. All I did was tip my hand so my wife could delete all of her secret e-mail accounts before I knew about them.

Unique, what Gonna said about the "lunch next week" - it sounds like it's something that is more casual than expected if you haven't heard from someone your not supposed to be contacting for two years. I hope that the dude is just a jackwagon and that's how he rolls, but if my wife's AP ever contacted her in that tone I'd probably suspect that they had been in contact. Almost seems there is an implied "Same time as last time" at the end of that. Good luck.


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Default  Posted: 12:28 PM, June 1st (Saturday)

From your 2010 post.
May 2010, I told OM's W. This seemed to do some sort of trick. Found out a couple weeks ago that she has still been in contact periodically. But, "she doesn't want it".
I would suggesst that you inform the OM's BW once again.

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uniquenewyork
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Default  Posted: 11:54 AM, June 2nd (Sunday)

Well, so far, nothing. She hasn't mentioned it.
I will tell OM's BW, no question about that.
Now, I guess, I need to go into detective mode (provided that she doesn't mention it today) to see if I can find any other contact or see they actually do go to lunch, which will be very difficult to track. I have a VAR, but...
When I do confront, I have some questions, but I have a feeling that I will be gaslighted:
- when was the last time you had contact with him?
- why did he think it was okay to contact you? Or ask you out to lunch?
- have you been to lunch with him recently (as would his casual invite would seem to indicate)?

Gaaaah. Hate this drama crap. honestly, I didn't think that I would ever have to worry about that d-bag again--it was only the other OM that I had to worry about.

Someone mentioned that he was probably testing to see if emailing her at work was okay. Well, he's going to find out his answer soon. What a dumb a$$.


Me(BS): 44/Her(WS): 43
S:11,D:8,D:6
Affair with OM#1 before we were married.
Couple day fling w/ OM#2
Me as a WS: late '07-early '08.
EA/PA with OM#3: 2/16/09 (many D-days after, broken NC.)
EA/PA with OM#4: Found September '10; PA

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Default  Posted: 12:49 PM, June 2nd (Sunday)

What's your anxiety level like right now (1 - 10)? My heart is beating faster right now, just from reading this, never mind living it.

I had a few thoughts for you.

1. I agree that you should go into detective mode. Personally, no matter how difficult, I would need to know if they went to lunch this week.

2. Fact: She did delete the email, so there is still a chance that she did not respond. In this scenario, the only problem would be with the timeliness of her telling you.

3. Fact: He sent the email at 10:30 pm, so maybe he was bored, drunk or both.

4. Fact: He did say that he was looking through old emails, which would argue against recent contact, possibly. Yes, the "lunch next week" sounds too familiar, but it could simply be fishing.

5. Fact: She hasn't told you about the email. I don't think this email would be an easy one for her to forget about. After all, she did delete it, twice. But, it may not mean that she has reconnected with him. Se may just be avoiding the uncomfortableness of mentioning it to you. That would be the wrong thing for her to do, but would not point to infidelity, but other issues.

So, the above is the "benefit of the doubt" best case scenario. I hope that is the case.

I just don't see how you will ever really know, since she hasn't said anything, unless you have her followed to lunch every damn day this week. If they don't meet for lunch, you can talk about the email with her next weekend and reassert how important it is that she let you know immediately, etc. You can send a copy of the email to his wife, and I suppose you could call him and tell him to never contact your wife again.

Good luck. Stay strong.


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DD: 6..........DS: 4
Married for six years.
DDay: 12-25-11 Divorced: 7-15-12
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Default  Posted: 1:21 PM, June 2nd (Sunday)

Thanks, NMAI.
I think that you succinctly put it well--I can't argue with anything you have brought up, and because it's been so long since they had contact, I am leaning toward giving her the benefit of the doubt right now. But, I still need to stay vigilant.
When I confronted her the first time about him, she broke NC MANY times. Even after I outed them to OM's BW, they still had periodic contact.
Once, she brought her work laptop home and I found that she had been looking up his profile on FB, I'm sure to see how he was doing (they are not friends, but he is not blocked)
So, yeah, I don't know if I will ever be sleuth enough to catch her doing anything, but if I don't, does that mean that she took it underground, or that nothing happened?
I will also ask if she replied to him via email or by phone (even to tell him to knock it off).

I will see this week and talk to her about it next week, if nothing happens.
Then, I'll send OM's BW a copy of the email.

Sheesh...

eta: My anxiety level is about a 7 right now, because there is part of me that thinks she is just uncomfortable bringing it up and doesn't want to rattle any cages. And, she just wants to ignore him and make it go away. (a small part of me...)
Otherwise, it would be a 10+

[This message edited by uniquenewyork at 1:23 PM, June 2nd (Sunday)]


Me(BS): 44/Her(WS): 43
S:11,D:8,D:6
Affair with OM#1 before we were married.
Couple day fling w/ OM#2
Me as a WS: late '07-early '08.
EA/PA with OM#3: 2/16/09 (many D-days after, broken NC.)
EA/PA with OM#4: Found September '10; PA

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uniquenewyork
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Default  Posted: 3:53 PM, June 6th (Thursday)

I spoke to W a couple of nights ago. Seemed like a good time to do it--i think that she felt like I had something on my mind.
Told her that I saw the email and was wondering if she had replied to him in any way. "No", was the answer.
Basically, she didn't tell me about it, because she didn't want to upset me, etc. I told her that from now on, she needs to tell me about anything regarding contact with him or her other AP (that is inappropriate. they work together.)
told her that we need to send an NC letter to him and that I was going to let OM's BS know about this.
She said she's okay with sending an NC letter, but she was not okay with letting OBS know. She's a bit of a drama queen and has caused some problems for her in the past. I do believe my W when she says that she hasn't spoken to AP in over 1.5 years, and that she never replied to him and that she had no intention of doing so. (can't believe I just said that, but I do feel it.) She doesn't want to kick the hornet's nest.
I, myself, think that she needs to know that he seems to be fishing. But, if she gives him no indication that she's interested and we remind him that he isn't supposed to be communicating with her, then maybe that's good enough (?)
Anyway, anyone have any thoughts on this?


Me(BS): 44/Her(WS): 43
S:11,D:8,D:6
Affair with OM#1 before we were married.
Couple day fling w/ OM#2
Me as a WS: late '07-early '08.
EA/PA with OM#3: 2/16/09 (many D-days after, broken NC.)
EA/PA with OM#4: Found September '10; PA

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cdnmommy
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Default  Posted: 4:00 PM, June 6th (Thursday)

She's a bit of a drama queen and has caused some problems for her in the past.

So your WW inserted herself into another woman's marriage and has the nerve to cry foul when that woman causes her some problems? I think the label drama queen is being applied to the wrong person here. I don't believe your WW. I think there has been other contact or at least attempts.

I would want to know.


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DDay: Oct 2010 + 6 weeks false R
2.5 (+?) year A with married coworker/my "friend"
1 great kid.
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Jrazz
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Default  Posted: 4:02 PM, June 6th (Thursday)

Do you have ANY reason to believer her?

I mean, deleting instead of telling you is deceit. She is supposed to tell you, and "I didn't want to upset you" is the very first excuse in the Lying Liars handbook.

"Lunch next week?" May have been real. Or, it may have been testing the work email waters. Either way, this guy has it under some authority that it's ok to reach out to your WW.

Oh, and not telling the OBW what's going on is not ok. Does your wife know WHY this woman causes her drama? Um, because she had an affair with her husband. The remorseful FWS accepts this as part of the package and acts on behalf of TRUTH, not self preservation.

Plain and simple, for SOME reason OM reached out to your WW, whether she invited it or is just being a coward about it. OBW deserves to hear about it. This should also serve as a bucket of ice water if they were trying to fire something else up.

If nothing else, don't let her get away from the "I was trying to spare your feelings" bullcrap. This ain't the minor leagues.

(((unique)))

[This message edited by Jrazz at 4:03 PM, June 6th (Thursday)]


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ajsmom
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Default  Posted: 4:02 PM, June 6th (Thursday)

she was not okay with letting OBS know. She's a bit of a drama queen and has caused some problems for her in the past.

IF there is NC, then she shouldn't give a rat's patooty about telling the BW.

If not, sounds like she's trying to minimize the damage of broken contact all around.

ETA: And let's not forget that despite her telling you she has no interest in contacting him, she still didn't tell you about it right away.

Rather, she read it, then permanently deleted it. I found that odd, seeing her other deleted emails were there.

IMO, that is completely unacceptable.

AJ's MOM

[This message edited by ajsmom at 4:13 PM, June 6th (Thursday)]


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Default  Posted: 4:19 PM, June 6th (Thursday)

In NO way am I trying to minimize the damage that my W did to OBS. She has every right to be pissed at my W. When the OBS confronted my W once, a couple of years ago, out in public (i was not there), my W came home visibly shaken about the experience. I defended OBS.

(and I apologize for "drama queen" comment. I meant to say that, since we have known her, which started years before the A started between my W and her H, she has been known to have a bit of a temper--but, then again, my W was apparently not his first A in their marriage.)

And, believe me, I am still very wary of my W's ability to slip back into old habits. I have seen no form of contact between her an this fAP for almost two years. I check her phone/FB/work email/etc., and there has been nothing.

This is NOT to say that this is a clean slate, and at this point, I'm not sure that I would put it past her to be hiding some sort of contact. If she is lying to me now, or if I find or hear anything that contradicts her story to me, then that's it. And, she knows it.



Me(BS): 44/Her(WS): 43
S:11,D:8,D:6
Affair with OM#1 before we were married.
Couple day fling w/ OM#2
Me as a WS: late '07-early '08.
EA/PA with OM#3: 2/16/09 (many D-days after, broken NC.)
EA/PA with OM#4: Found September '10; PA

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refuz2bavictim
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Default  Posted: 4:30 PM, June 6th (Thursday)

SHE"S okay with the NC letter but not informing the BS?

she doesn't want to kick the hornet's nest.
Of course not...you get stung.

And YOU are part of that hornets nest she refuses to kick. Unless you find out about these things on your own she is showing you that she isn't going to tell you. I think she has you in the same boat at the Other BS. She controls the flow of information through the use of deception, or omission, to avoid discomfort to herself.

Quite frankly, I can't understand why she feels that she should be in the drivers seat here. So what if you get upset. You have the right to be upset. It's not you she's protecting when she doesn't want you to be upset. It's herself.

Are you ok with her making decisions like that for you? I think that's a sign of very very poor boundaries. There are some decisions we simply do not have the right to make for other people. And she is still Ok with doing just that.

I think there is a great deal more here than just a problem of being contacted by the OM. I think the issue of making decisions for others without their permission, or invitation to do so, is going to cause more problems down the road than the ones you are already dealing with.

[This message edited by refuz2bavictim at 4:45 PM, June 6th (Thursday)]


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uniquenewyork
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Default  Posted: 4:39 PM, June 6th (Thursday)

Thanks, refuz.
Excellent 2x4.

Now that I think about it, she said that she wanted me to tell fAP to back off. Wanting me to do her work for her. And, then she doesn't want tell OBS.
(I told her that she can write the NC letter, then I'll read and send it.)

You're right.
I will tell OBS. I told her than I hadn't made up my mind. But, now, I don't think that she even needs to know what I do in this regard.

Yeah, this issue is not over, even after our chat the other night.


Me(BS): 44/Her(WS): 43
S:11,D:8,D:6
Affair with OM#1 before we were married.
Couple day fling w/ OM#2
Me as a WS: late '07-early '08.
EA/PA with OM#3: 2/16/09 (many D-days after, broken NC.)
EA/PA with OM#4: Found September '10; PA

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NoMorDeceit
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Default  Posted: 5:56 PM, June 6th (Thursday)

I am so glad you are going to tell the the W. It is 100% the right thing to do. You would want her to do the same for you. It also is a great bucket of ice water as someone so aptly pointed out. My concern is your wife may not want to tell the other wife because she does not want contact to be permanently severed. Perhaps she still likes the attention and the potential opportunity to rekindle with him should she choose too. She seems to like to control decisions and outcomes. So do not back down on telling the other bs. Slam that door shut...your wife's reaction will tell you a lot.


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Multiple affairs, LTAs, and many OWs
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nomistakeaboutit
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Default  Posted: 8:18 PM, June 7th (Friday)

Since your W asked you to call this guy to ask him to stop contacting her, why not do that? Yes, send the NC letter from your W. Yes, notify his wife about his contact. But, why not also call him?

You: "Hey ( whatever his piece of shit name is), this is Unique. I understand you invited my wife to lunch?"

him: Yeah. So what?

You: what makes you think this is ok?

Him: (listen closely to his answer.)

You: well, I've let your wife know that I don't think it's ok, and now I'm letting you know. So, listen closely. Stay. The. Fuck. Away. From. My. Wife.

Then hang up.

Then tell your wife what EXACTLY what you did and said.

Do you agree?


Me: BH 56.........Her: WW 43
DD: 6..........DS: 4
Married for six years.
DDay: 12-25-11 Divorced: 7-15-12
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