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TrulyReconciled
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Default  Posted: 10:36 AM, July 8th (Monday)

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/living/2013/07/06/newday-making-barbie-a-real-woman.cnn#/video/living/2013/07/06/newday-making-barbie-a-real-woman.cnn

I can't wait until they accurately 'reproportion' Ken - I'm picturing ...

[This message edited by TrulyReconciled at 10:46 AM, July 8th (Monday)]


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purplejacket4
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Default  Posted: 1:08 PM, July 8th (Monday)


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Crescita
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Default  Posted: 1:33 PM, July 8th (Monday)

Wow, all that time and effort to make a Skipper doll!

I collected Littlest Pet Shop, Polly Pocket, and My Little Ponies growing up. I never cared if my toys were anatomically correct. I've survived, even if I did have a really skewed vision of how large penguins were supposed to be.


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k94ever
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Default  Posted: 5:19 PM, July 8th (Monday)

I'm wondering if Barbie is the root cause of this stupid "thigh gap" crap women are buying into now.

Marilyn Monroe is one of the sexiest women of all time and she was a size 14.

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aesir
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Default  Posted: 5:43 PM, July 8th (Monday)

Here's a cool test for every woman who thinks Barbie is such a horrendous thing and is destroying young girls. I first heard of it being brought up amongst a group of female doctors while they complained about it.

Question #1:
Did you play with Barbies as a young girl?

Question #2:
Did you turn out all right?

Surprising how many women who complain about Barbie answer yes to both questions. I know I long ago accepted that I was not going to look anything like Batman, and I think young girls are capable of the same insight.


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kernel
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Default  Posted: 5:56 PM, July 8th (Monday)

Aesir, I respectfully and vehemently disagree. I don't think I turned out okay. Like most women I know, I constantly battle the voices that tell me I should be skinnier and tan all over and wrinkle free and have big boobs under my neck and legs up to there.

It's a whole lot more than just Barbie, but Barbie is a part of the problem. I really like this article addressing this.

http://www.rolereboot.org/life/details/2013-06-when-your-mother-says-shes-fat

BTW, I think it's just as bad for men. GI Joe, Batman, six pack abs, etc etc. Seems to me no one can live up to the "ideals" fed to us by the media.

Sorry, I'll get off the soapbox.

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aesir
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Default  Posted: 6:03 PM, July 8th (Monday)

t/j
When it comes to being like Batman, most boys grow up able to accept the difference, and only dream about having his car.


Your mileage may vary... in accordance with the prophecy.

Do not back up. Severe tire damage.


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aesir
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Default  Posted: 6:24 PM, July 8th (Monday)

Wow, all that time and effort to make a Skipper doll!

Actually, that is a brilliant observation. I remember reading a brief article explaining why Barbie would look like that, and why female superheros all look the way they do, with the gravity defying bust and the ridiculously long legs.

In both cases they are working with a very limited medium. In the case of Barbie, molded plastic, and in the case of comic books a pencil and ink outline and four color meshes for printing. Neither one is capable of carrying the standard visual cues that one could use to estimate age, so they differentiate between children, youths and adults by exaggerating the shape cues nature provides. Female characters have noticeably longer legs and larger breasts than teen characters, who are in turn noticeably different in the same way from children. For male characters, adults have much wider shoulders and larger arms, than teen characters, then pretty much a normal lower body to emphasize the triangular shape. Just look at how early Spiderman as a teen was drawn much leaner than the later adult Spiderman. Even the average adult male superhero is closely resembling the physique of the Hulk from the waist up.

The attempt at creating a realistic looking Barbie ends up looking just like Skipper, Barbies teenage sister/cousin/friend/whatever.
The other option to age differentiate them would be very bad for sales, molded in crows feet on Barbie and acne for Skipper.


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uncertainone
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Default  Posted: 7:01 PM, July 8th (Monday)

BTW, I think it's just as bad for men. GI Joe, Batman, six pack abs, etc etc. Seems to me no one can live up to the "ideals" fed to us by the media.

Oh, I don't know. I'd think the message of "you've" got more between your legs than a superhero may not have been too traumatizing. :D

The media feeds us what we eat. Only thing I did with Barbies is cut their hair. I was disgusted it didn't grow back and deemed toys worthless at that point. Sadly, humans weren't as portable so started riding horses. Left plastic things alone. Now, matchbox and hotwheels? Oh LOVED those little suckers. 


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aesir
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Default  Posted: 11:26 PM, July 8th (Monday)

Only thing I did with Barbies is cut their hair. I was disgusted it didn't grow back and deemed toys worthless at that point.

Is it too late for everyone to chip in and get UO the playdoh beauty shop?

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TrulyReconciled
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Default  Posted: 11:24 AM, July 9th (Tuesday)

I can remember being very upset as a young boy that my sister's Barbies were not 'anatomicaly correct' ...


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cissie
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Default  Posted: 10:15 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

My daughter played with Barbies at the ages of between 5 and about 10.
At 14-16 she was bulimic. It was a struggle, but through counseling she was "cured".
She is now married and seems to have no food problems.
I don't know if Barbie, or the pervasive objectification of women contributed to her problem, but we are very thankful it was resolved.

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scaredyKat
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Default  Posted: 10:13 AM, July 11th (Thursday)

And I remember having a "bubble cut" Barbie. Those awful, tiny feet! And lusting after my friend's copious collection of outfits while I had only a few. I think the attraction for me was short lived; I certainly never got the fashion gene, but the pervasive feeling that I didn't have the "right" outfit has been a lifelong frustration...not necessarily Mattel's fault, but a society thing.

And I sympathize with the body image idea. We internalize that this is the way we should look, men AND women.


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