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July73
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Default  Posted: 3:38 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

It has been awhile since I have posted on here. Things were actually starting to look up for me and my BW. I have been working really hard on myself, but apparently not hard enough. I have been in IC I am trying to read books, reading is not my strong suit but i try. I have been reading a lot in here and trying to apply it as best I can.

I have really messed up again. On 2 separate ocassions, I clicked on AP FB page, I closed it immediately both times. I am not sure why I did this. I was doing an unrelated search both times, I have no intention of contacting AP ever again. The thing is I never told my BW, and she found it in my history. When she confronted me I instantly went back to my old ways and lied initially. I then did come clean and told her what I did. Problem is all the work I have been doing as far as being authentic, working on not lying anymore is probably damaged for good. It sometimes feels like I am deliberately sabotaging myself. Even though I don't think I am intentionally. Maybe I feel like I don't deserve her, and I am subconciously do it.

I just feel awful for what I have done and no one to blame but me. Please hit me hard with the 2x4's


WH Me 41
BW 39
M 18 yrs.
LTA 1.5 yrs.
D-day Sept 21,2012. Worst day of my life... can not imagine how it must have been for my loving wife. I am so sorry.

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Default  Posted: 3:43 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

So what are you going to do different this time in R? Asking for 2x4's isn't going to help


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Red  Posted: 3:47 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Please hit me hard with the 2x4's

Please do not encourage 2x4's in this forum, it makes it impossible for us to moderate fairly.


"Don't give up, the beginning is always the hardest." My Mom:)

My tolerance for stupid shit is getting less and less.


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July73
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Default  Posted: 3:51 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Well if there is even R in the picture, I have to dig deeper into what makes me lie. Some of may be confrontation avoidance, not wanting to keep hurting my BW. But I seem to do that well.
The 2x4's were for the clicking on AP's FB.


WH Me 41
BW 39
M 18 yrs.
LTA 1.5 yrs.
D-day Sept 21,2012. Worst day of my life... can not imagine how it must have been for my loving wife. I am so sorry.

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Default  Posted: 3:52 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Ok, so what are you going to dig into? Are you willing to do this if R isn't on the table?


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"a wayward...annnnd just a tad betrayed."

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July73
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Default  Posted: 3:52 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Okay no 2x4's. I just need help.


WH Me 41
BW 39
M 18 yrs.
LTA 1.5 yrs.
D-day Sept 21,2012. Worst day of my life... can not imagine how it must have been for my loving wife. I am so sorry.

Posts: 38 | Registered: Nov 2012 | From: Alberta,Canada
Trying33
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Default  Posted: 3:59 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Think about what made you click on AP's FB page. What was going through your mind? Why did you feel compelled to do it?

Were you bored? Lonely? Curious? Force of habit?

If you can get to the bottom of why you felt the need to check her page, perhaps you can eliminate the need to lie about things?

Just a thought...


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July73
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Default  Posted: 3:59 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Hardlessons... Yes I need to do this for myself even if R is not offered. Like I said I need to figure out why it easier to lie.
Why lying seems to better that hurting my wife. I know and can see lying is some of the reason I am where i am, but I just can't seem to apply it in my marriage. I see what I am doing at times but seem powerless to stop.


WH Me 41
BW 39
M 18 yrs.
LTA 1.5 yrs.
D-day Sept 21,2012. Worst day of my life... can not imagine how it must have been for my loving wife. I am so sorry.

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Default  Posted: 4:01 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

not wanting to keep hurting my BW

That is common and I did that as well. What helped me is to not be what George "W" would call the "decider". I don't decide what will hurt or not hurt my BS. Coming to grips with that makes it much easier to communicate. I am responsible for my words, actions etc. hers are hers.


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"a wayward...annnnd just a tad betrayed."

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Default  Posted: 4:03 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Trying33... I was lonely and bored. I never made a conscious effort to search for AP. Her name came while searching someone else and I clicked on hers. I immediately said to myself, this is wrong and closed it.


WH Me 41
BW 39
M 18 yrs.
LTA 1.5 yrs.
D-day Sept 21,2012. Worst day of my life... can not imagine how it must have been for my loving wife. I am so sorry.

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Default  Posted: 4:05 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

I see what I am doing at times but seem powerless to stop.

Been there too. That is the same I would get because the only tool I had was me... IC, reading and digging into why I react or feel or am motivated by things so I can add healthy tools and coping mechanisms so I can use those instead of my old one.


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Default  Posted: 4:07 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Hardlessons... that is very helpful. I have been so worried about hurting her, that I forgot to let her decide what will hurt her and what won't. Thank you.


WH Me 41
BW 39
M 18 yrs.
LTA 1.5 yrs.
D-day Sept 21,2012. Worst day of my life... can not imagine how it must have been for my loving wife. I am so sorry.

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Default  Posted: 4:12 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Her name came while searching someone else and I clicked on hers.

Why is your AP not blocked?


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July73
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Default  Posted: 4:14 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Part of my Problem is I have been lying to my BW for so long, I was doing well with it, very well. Just wish I could have told her when I clicked her FB. Or at least just told her straight up when she confronted me. She just starting to say some trust was returning. I broke that in seconds.


WH Me 41
BW 39
M 18 yrs.
LTA 1.5 yrs.
D-day Sept 21,2012. Worst day of my life... can not imagine how it must have been for my loving wife. I am so sorry.

Posts: 38 | Registered: Nov 2012 | From: Alberta,Canada
July73
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Default  Posted: 4:17 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Losferwords... good question. I will get on that pronto. I guess just never though about it, there has been NC and her name never came up before.


WH Me 41
BW 39
M 18 yrs.
LTA 1.5 yrs.
D-day Sept 21,2012. Worst day of my life... can not imagine how it must have been for my loving wife. I am so sorry.

Posts: 38 | Registered: Nov 2012 | From: Alberta,Canada
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Default  Posted: 4:18 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Thing is, you have to click on her on FB to block her. You may want to do that with your wife present, or even have your wife log in to your account and do it for you.

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Default  Posted: 4:20 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

I was lonely and bored. I never made a conscious effort to search for AP. Her name came while searching someone else and I clicked on hers. I immediately

The instinct to click is what needs to be controlled. Be more conscious and mindful of your actions when it comes to xAP. Keep telling yourself it's hurtful to your wife and to you.

It's an irrelevant exercise and who cares what's written on her page? Why do you think you even wanted to know?

Even though you say you have no intention of ever contacting her again, your BW doesn't know that. For all she knows, you're pining for xAP and that's why you're trying to check what she's doing.

Also, what other things can you do when you feel lonely or bored? How can you stop this from happening again? And if it does, could you tell BW about it and explain why and how it happened and show remorse for it?


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Default  Posted: 4:28 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Losferwords... Yeah, i will get my wife to do it or at least we can do it together. Could help her see I don't want any contact from xAP


WH Me 41
BW 39
M 18 yrs.
LTA 1.5 yrs.
D-day Sept 21,2012. Worst day of my life... can not imagine how it must have been for my loving wife. I am so sorry.

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July73
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Default  Posted: 4:31 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Trying33... Yes you are right on all accounts. I need to be stronger, not only for myself but for my wife as well.


WH Me 41
BW 39
M 18 yrs.
LTA 1.5 yrs.
D-day Sept 21,2012. Worst day of my life... can not imagine how it must have been for my loving wife. I am so sorry.

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Default  Posted: 4:34 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Her name came while searching someone else and I clicked on hers. I immediately said to myself, this is wrong and closed it.

One time could be an accident, I get that, but twice? Why did you do it a second time? Other than to see the latest and greatest?


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Default  Posted: 4:36 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Trying33... Thing is I really don't care what is on her FB. I didn't even friend her during the A. But there is that word Curious... such a bad word.


WH Me 41
BW 39
M 18 yrs.
LTA 1.5 yrs.
D-day Sept 21,2012. Worst day of my life... can not imagine how it must have been for my loving wife. I am so sorry.

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Default  Posted: 4:41 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Hardlessons... that is exactly what my wife said. I think the second time was curiousness. I still would not have clicked if it was not there. Still not an excuse for doing it. Then not telling my wife. As far as she is concerned, it is the same as breaking contact.


WH Me 41
BW 39
M 18 yrs.
LTA 1.5 yrs.
D-day Sept 21,2012. Worst day of my life... can not imagine how it must have been for my loving wife. I am so sorry.

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Default  Posted: 4:42 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Here's the thing July, being curious would indicate there are still feelings or interest or concern, whatever you want to call it.

For me, there is now a clear distinction between giving a shit about what he's doing (xAP) vs not caring and being indifferent.

I felt compelled to check before as it was still a connection. I know, for me, I'm getting closer to indifferent as I don't even want to know what he's doing. I don't want to pollute my mind with the ongoings of HIS life.

Why were you curious????


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Default  Posted: 4:43 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

I still would not have clicked if it was not there.

So did you do the exact same search as the first time? Sounds like you went exactly where you wanted and then got busted. I feel that would be breaking contact too.


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Default  Posted: 4:49 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Trying33... Yes I thought about that as well. At first I thought maybe I still cared about xAP. But I really don't, that is why I just left the page as soon as I went on. But looking at my actions I can see how it would look for my BW. Being that I have lied so much in the past just proves to her that she can't trust me. I just want to get myself better so I can help her.


WH Me 41
BW 39
M 18 yrs.
LTA 1.5 yrs.
D-day Sept 21,2012. Worst day of my life... can not imagine how it must have been for my loving wife. I am so sorry.

Posts: 38 | Registered: Nov 2012 | From: Alberta,Canada
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Default  Posted: 4:54 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Hardlessons... The second search I was searching my last name and I put in the first 2 letters. Which are the first 2 letters of xAP's FB name. I know, I deserve to be questioned, hell I would question it to.


WH Me 41
BW 39
M 18 yrs.
LTA 1.5 yrs.
D-day Sept 21,2012. Worst day of my life... can not imagine how it must have been for my loving wife. I am so sorry.

Posts: 38 | Registered: Nov 2012 | From: Alberta,Canada
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Default  Posted: 7:34 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

just fyi, you can block someone from YOUR FB page. You do not need to go to your xAP's. It is under your privacy settings.

I know exactly that feeling of doing "xAP research" when it is simply madness. I hate that I gave her, an empty & broken vessel, some sort of magic voodoo power over me, due to constructing a fantasy realm so warped it replaced reality. If it wasn't her, it would have been any of 1000 other potential AP's. Whoever it ended up being, I ended up creating my own special, secret drug and found my own special, secret addiction. Sad thing is...I did all this eyes wide open. And my low self esteem and need for external validation have never been lower than during this twisted charade.


2 year EA/PA. DDay 3/12. Broke NC 6/13 w/one stupid 5 line e-mail (which brought me to SI). Me: WH, 50. Her: BW, 49. Married 19 years. Two kids. Dog. Reconciling...together.

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Default  Posted: 7:41 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

just fyi, you can block someone from YOUR FB page. You do not need to go to your xAP's. It is under your privacy settings.

JD is right, I forgot about this. It has been over two years since my wife and I blocked the OM and a whole slew of other people that we also cut out of our lives. Thanks, JD.


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Default  Posted: 8:43 PM, July 9th (Tuesday)

Yeah, thanks guy's figured it out. Just googled it. I am still trying to tame the shit storm I created from a couple moments of weakness. When you feel so low, why is it that we crawl lower than digging up and out. So much work has been done and now we are back at square 1 because I decided to click on and click off twice. I mean sometimes I don't even understand my actions. I just feel so foolish and wish I had a real reason for this. Keep digging I will. Thanks for every ones replies.


WH Me 41
BW 39
M 18 yrs.
LTA 1.5 yrs.
D-day Sept 21,2012. Worst day of my life... can not imagine how it must have been for my loving wife. I am so sorry.

Posts: 38 | Registered: Nov 2012 | From: Alberta,Canada
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Default  Posted: 6:41 AM, July 10th (Wednesday)

When you feel so low, why is it that we crawl lower than digging up and out. So much work has been done and now we are back at square 1 because I decided to click on and click off twice. I mean sometimes I don't even understand my actions. I just feel so foolish and wish I had a real reason for this. Keep digging I will.

I can relate to the self-loathing that follows weak thinking, poor decisions, and even poorer actions. And no one is harder on me than me. Just the fact you're admitting a mistake, owning it, and rededicating to self-reflection and growth IS a positive sign. I f^cked up big time recently, and as much of a setback as it was, it was also a catalyst for admitting some things that hadn't made it into my recovery path, and might never have made it there. So my screw up ended up being a difficult, but very good and important thing. Just admitting some things and bringing them out into the light gave me hope. And sharing the burden here, 2x4's notwithstanding, makes me feel not alone. Much of my affair behavior, and my post affair wheel spinning, was due to my penchant for isolation and trying to figure out things in my own head. That's usually NOT a good idea!

Thanks for sharing your struggles, and keep your chin up. JD


2 year EA/PA. DDay 3/12. Broke NC 6/13 w/one stupid 5 line e-mail (which brought me to SI). Me: WH, 50. Her: BW, 49. Married 19 years. Two kids. Dog. Reconciling...together.

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Default  Posted: 7:39 AM, July 10th (Wednesday)

Why lying seems to better that hurting my wife

Think of it this way....your lying IS what is hurting your wife. You aren't saving her from any pain at all.


I'm sorry if you don't like my Honesty, but to be fair I don't like your lies.

Sometimes it's better to push someone away...not because you stopped loving them but because you can't take the pain anymore.


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Default  Posted: 9:57 AM, July 10th (Wednesday)

You love having a secret life (in whatever form that takes). It's probably something you enjoyed in your childhood (having secrets from your parents, hanging out with "bad kids," rebelling against authority).

Also, are you Sex Addicted? Do you view porn? Do you try to avoid having an emotional connection to your wife? Do you avoid having sex with her? My SAWH is BIG liar and this is one of the things that lead us to realize he's got a Sex Addiction.

Bottom line, if you are trying to reconcile, you are either IN or you are OUT. Only YOU have control over where you stand. It's NO ONE's decision. Take responsibility for your actions.


BS - mid-40's
SAWH - mid 40's
Kids - 2 elementary school aged
Getting tons of therapy and trying to "work it out"

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Default  Posted: 11:20 AM, July 10th (Wednesday)

I'm offering some food for thought......
You clicked on the page not one time, but twice.
You really don't seem to be interested in what was on her page.
You immediately clicked away from the page.

Is it possible that there's an element of rebellion or spitefulness involved? Kind of a *push* against feeling controlled or that someone else (your BW) has *power* over you?

I'm just thinking....and throwing out another angle for you to consider.


"Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive." - Sir Walter Scott

In my effort to be *concise*, I often come off as blunt and harsh. Sorry, don't mean to be offensive.


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Default  Posted: 12:20 PM, July 10th (Wednesday)

Because your healing still is not as important as whatever you're deriving by breaking NC.

I am in the block-her camp. Once you do this, it takes a little more conscious thought to access.

It's not a cure, because you'll still have to figure out what's making it okay, in your mind, to break NC. But it's an obstacle to contact, and early on, that can be helpful.


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July73
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Default  Posted: 1:36 AM, July 11th (Thursday)

Also, are you Sex Addicted? Do you view porn? Do you try to avoid having an emotional connection to your wife? Do you avoid having sex with her? My SAWH is BIG liar and this is one of the things that lead us to realize he's got a Sex Addiction

No I am not a sex addict. I have never avoided or turned down sex with my wife. Porn never used to be a problem in our marriage, but post D-day internet porn is. Many reasons for this as far as web cams etc. My wife has made it clear recently that she does not approve of internet porn so I have stopped. Porn never was more important than my wife or marriage. But thanks for your thoughts.

You love having a secret life (in whatever form that takes). It's probably something you enjoyed in your childhood (having secrets from your parents, hanging out with "bad kids," rebelling against authority).

Secret life not so much. I did keep secrets from my parents but really, I don't think I know anyone that does not keep secrets from there parents. My mistake was keeping secrets from my wife, that started the lying pattern and thought process thinking by lying I was protecting her. Growing up I was never called on my shit, which made me feel powerful because I was getting away with it. So when my wife started calling me on my shit, I rebelled and started the power struggle, this in turn made my entitlement issues go rampant. Yes pretty messed up.


WH Me 41
BW 39
M 18 yrs.
LTA 1.5 yrs.
D-day Sept 21,2012. Worst day of my life... can not imagine how it must have been for my loving wife. I am so sorry.

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Default  Posted: 7:13 AM, July 11th (Thursday)

July73
Some of may be confrontation avoidance, not wanting to keep hurting my BW.

This has been absolutely my biggest failure over the past few years and has caused so much more pain for my wife. Conflict avoidance by lying to your spouse will be the death of your relationship. I have done so much more damage with trickle truth and conflict avoidance than any pain I thought I was sparing her. I now know that the this was all about protecting myself and saying that I was trying to keep from hurting her more was complete bull shit.


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* I am a RS (Recovering Scumbag)
* Do as I say, NOT as I did. :-(
* I acknowledge the grace I have received. I know do not deserve it.


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Default  Posted: 8:48 AM, July 11th (Thursday)

@isles: I'll remember those words.


2 year EA/PA. DDay 3/12. Broke NC 6/13 w/one stupid 5 line e-mail (which brought me to SI). Me: WH, 50. Her: BW, 49. Married 19 years. Two kids. Dog. Reconciling...together.

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Default  Posted: 9:43 PM, July 11th (Thursday)

I'm going to give you essentially the same answer our MC gave JM when he asked that question, although I will say it more nicely. And when I got honest with myself, it's the same reason I lied and messed things up over and over.

We sat in our MC's office,JM with his head in his hands. He asked "what is wrong with me? Why do I keep hurting my wife? Why do I keep lying"

And the MC said, "there is nothing wrong with you except that you're a selfish jerk who is used to doing what you want to do. You want to stop lying? Tell the truth. The way to stop hurting your wife is to STOP HURTING HER. Stop doing things that have a guaranteed result of hurting her."

And ultimately, that's the bottom line for us. JM and I both lied about everything. I lied when the truth would be better. It was habit. I lived in a constant state of turmoil and anxiety. When I got sober, I became committed to a life of integrity. It wasn't easy and telling the truth was scary and sometimes sucked. But it got easier. Now, if I catch myself slipping toward a lie, the brakes are automatic.

My experience made it a little easier when JM started his journey, because I knew how hard it was. I had to learn to give him a safe place to tell the truth. I couldn't demand the truth and then freak out and go ballistic on him for telling the truth.

But ultimately, it was his responsibility to choose integrity and kindness over dishonesty and selfishness.

As it is yours. I promise it is worth the effort.


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Him, 40 (JMSSC)
married 17 years. In R. We are making it. The past does not define who we are today.

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Default  Posted: 12:00 AM, July 12th (Friday)

HSFFC... Yes, it seems so easy, sitting right there in front of me all spelled out. All I have to do is not lie, therefore I won't hurt my wife. I understand it yet, I keep doing it. I need to figure out what makes my knee jerk reaction to lie in the first place. Thanks for your comment, it really makes me think. I believe some of it is a self protection mechanism, it goes way back to child hood. I figured out that by lying and when it worked I gained power and control. It was never the secrecy, but all about the power and control knowing I could get away with things through manipulation. I never did this in my marriage or even when I was dating or living with my wife. I never felt the need to control or have power over her. But then, about 5 years ago I believe I thought I was loosing control over her, and she started calling me on my shit more and more. I believe at that time I allowed the old thoughts to seep in and the lying started up again. Creating a downward spiral that went out of control. I am terrified that I have really messed it up bad enough this time that there is no recovery. All the work I have been doing on myself over the last 8 months, still positive and has helped me, but is to no avail for trying to help heal my wife. I need to except that is her decision for what will or will not her. I have to except that because of my choices and actions she has to make her own decision to leave me or give me yet another chance at R. This is where I realize it is no ones fault but my own. That is a scary realization.


WH Me 41
BW 39
M 18 yrs.
LTA 1.5 yrs.
D-day Sept 21,2012. Worst day of my life... can not imagine how it must have been for my loving wife. I am so sorry.

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Default  Posted: 6:31 AM, July 12th (Friday)

This is where I realize it is no ones fault but my own. That is a scary realization.

Scary? You bet your ass! But, guess what? When I lived my life as a victim of all the horrible stuff that had happened to me, I had NO power to change. When you can look in the mirror and recognize that the one person with the power to solve your problems is staring you in the face, it's a relief.

I love the Serenity Prayer. God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change (that's everything that is not inside my skin), courage to change the things I can (that's ME), and the wisdom to know the difference. If you don't believe in God, then just omit the first word. You can be speaking to the universe, to your inner self. It's really just a way to remind yourself of your goal to be a better person.

And it's a daily commitment. You will mess up. And here's where the scary part . really starts. As soon as you catch yourself in a lie, fix it. Right then. Don't wait to be found out. If you tell a lie, get caught and then admit the truth, that's not honesty.

Eventually, you will become quicker to recognize the emotional responses that lead up to your impulse to lie, and you'll be able to stop that as a thought process, before it becomes an action. And it is SO much easier to tell the truth than to admit to someone, "What I just said was not the truth. The truth is XYZ" That shit gets old FAST, especially when people look at you like you've just defecated on the floor and showed it to them.


You sound a lot like me. I was not able to learn healthy methods of coping and relating to others without serious IC. You will probably need professional help to learn healthy skills.

Try it out, just for today. Commit to an honest life and make amends immediately for anything that trips you up.


Me, 47
Him, 40 (JMSSC)
married 17 years. In R. We are making it. The past does not define who we are today.

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JustDesserts
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Default  Posted: 11:46 AM, July 12th (Friday)

When you can look in the mirror and recognize that the one person with the power to solve your problems is staring you in the face, it's a relief.

Relief...yes! And I'd add opportunity...and also responsibility.

Serenity prayer is a good one. And anyone who has a hiccup with the "God" part can, as you suggest, simply replace with a "anything but me...as I'm not god" of their choosing. All of my sobriety chips (18 and counting) have the serenity prayer on one side, and these words on the other: "To thine own self be true". Maybe that phrase is something akin to "Live an authentic life".

Mini t/j:
Wish I had figured out the parallels between the allure of secrecy, and addictive like qualities of an illicit affair and an xAP as a "drug" requiring withdrawal going in. The reality both blinded and blindsided me, and SI has been instrumental in helping me begin to understand this one complicated part of the mess I created. As one poster said to me, I have my little ball of delusional strings wound up so tight it's going to take a hell of a lot of work to unravel.
Mini t/j over.


2 year EA/PA. DDay 3/12. Broke NC 6/13 w/one stupid 5 line e-mail (which brought me to SI). Me: WH, 50. Her: BW, 49. Married 19 years. Two kids. Dog. Reconciling...together.

Posts: 403 | Registered: Jun 2013 | From: Suburbia, New England, USA
July73
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Default  Posted: 11:17 AM, July 14th (Sunday)

Yes the staring in the mirror is sometimes a scary thing as well. Especially when you don't like what is staring back at you. I know I have a lot of work to do in IC. My previous IC visits, I was I guess looking for ways that I can fix the marriage rather than asking how to fix myself. The last visit I broke down in my IC's office and we instantly started working on me. I see sometimes you have to sink down to bottom before the water gets clear enough to see again. I started reading "healing from the shame that binds you" I think is the title, anyway I never had any idea the different types of shame can be so destructive. I believe I will learn much from this book.


WH Me 41
BW 39
M 18 yrs.
LTA 1.5 yrs.
D-day Sept 21,2012. Worst day of my life... can not imagine how it must have been for my loving wife. I am so sorry.

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