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DoneWithLove
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Evil  Posted: 6:35 PM, July 15th (Monday)

I have a hard time dealing with him post A when im PMSing. Idk what it is but when im going through my cycle, I don't have a conscience when it comes to him anymore. I would just as soon torture the living hell out of him... and the OW, within an inch of their lives. I dont feel crazy or unjustified, I think its normal (hormones or not) to feel like being so merciless towards someone who has done me wrong in one of the worst ways possible. Dont get me wrong, I love my H but when you poke the bear, your gonna get fucked up.

[This message edited by DoneWithLove at 6:36 PM, July 15th (Monday)]


BW: Me (24)
FWH: Him (24) Jlaz1988ws
Together 11/12/06
2 sons, ages 5 and 1
Married 9/29/12
EA turned PA with OW/ coworker for 2- 4 weeks
D day 4/20/13
TT 4/20/13 - 7/30/13
"R" 5/3/13

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Flatlined123
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Default  Posted: 9:08 PM, July 15th (Monday)

Ya know, I've had the same issue. Learning to recognize it and deal with it helped a lot.

H also learned to read me better and knows to tread lightly for a few days

I don't know why exactly, but there are days when I could rip off OW head,drop kick it down the road and then stomp on it.

Exercise has been a godsend for getting out the aggravation.


Me: BS 43
H : WS 46
DD #1 7-11-08
DD#2 8-21-09 same OW, A never ended.
Started R in 12-09
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KBeguile
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Default  Posted: 9:12 PM, July 15th (Monday)

Any suggestions for a WH who might be dealing with this problem?


Me: fWS 32
Her: BS 35 (HeartInADustpan)
DS: 4yo
M: 7 years
DDays: 2012/11/14, 2013/02/05, 2013/03/09
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"Everything that happens now is happening 'now.'"
"What happened to 'then'?"
"We passed 'then.'"

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LiedtoLucy
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Default  Posted: 9:32 PM, July 15th (Monday)

Kbeguile

Stand there and take it. Apologize. Tell her you love her.


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Me: BS
Him: WH
OW=UW or Ugly Whore- cow of WH
UW claims to be pregnant w/ WH baby and I HATE her for it.
DDay: 4/23/13
Together: 14 years
Married: 10 years
Kids: 3 beautiful boys. Ages: 8, 4, & 19 months
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DoneWithLove
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Default  Posted: 11:04 PM, July 15th (Monday)

Im glad im not the only one! Lol Flatlined123, I feel your pain but the way you put that about the OW, made me giggle... I needed that. KBguile, like I tell my H, "keep your dick in your pants and your head out of your ass!". Its a good chance to be romantic without being sexual but let her know what you doing just incase. Do everything you can to help her combat aunt flow. Midol, her fav food or candy and let her relax. Take the opertunity to show her you care and think about her needs. Be extra sweet and loving because having an A shows her you didn't care about her. If she stayed with you then that's all the proof you need that shes worth all the ambition you have in you. Good luck


BW: Me (24)
FWH: Him (24) Jlaz1988ws
Together 11/12/06
2 sons, ages 5 and 1
Married 9/29/12
EA turned PA with OW/ coworker for 2- 4 weeks
D day 4/20/13
TT 4/20/13 - 7/30/13
"R" 5/3/13

Posts: 191 | Registered: May 2013 | From: The mitten state
cuppacoffee
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Default  Posted: 11:10 PM, July 15th (Monday)

dude. This weekend I was all pyscho about it. I was picking fights with him and texting him mean things because it's on the way. Then he says "I know you are getting your period and that is making you feel like hurting me. I will walk away." That just made me want to punch him in the face. LOL


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KBeguile
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Default  Posted: 11:42 PM, July 15th (Monday)

Thanks, Done and Lucy.

Definitely had a better night tonight than I originally thought. I was even heeding your advice before I read it, because I opened her Russell Stover chocolate caramels.


Me: fWS 32
Her: BS 35 (HeartInADustpan)
DS: 4yo
M: 7 years
DDays: 2012/11/14, 2013/02/05, 2013/03/09
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"Everything that happens now is happening 'now.'"
"What happened to 'then'?"
"We passed 'then.'"

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DoneWithLove
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Default  Posted: 11:54 PM, July 15th (Monday)

Good man! lol Mine are reasons and mounds, my H will bring me home a bag of reasons and ask "is this enough reasons to stay?". Lol he gets me. Good luck


BW: Me (24)
FWH: Him (24) Jlaz1988ws
Together 11/12/06
2 sons, ages 5 and 1
Married 9/29/12
EA turned PA with OW/ coworker for 2- 4 weeks
D day 4/20/13
TT 4/20/13 - 7/30/13
"R" 5/3/13

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Unagie
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Default  Posted: 1:39 AM, July 16th (Tuesday)

Stand there and take it. Apologize. Tell her you love her.

Gotta disagree sorry. Yes apologize and tell her you love her. Heart is dealing with unimaginable pain but purposely picking fights, being mean, saying cruel things and then blaming it on pms is an excuse. If you're angry be angry but don't use hormones as free range to get nastier. I get pms too, I take extra time to calm down when I get angry and to not confront that way. I am not saying people do not have every right to be angry but own that, don't excuse it. A lot of you are very early out and the anger will be all consuming at times, own it, use it but don't let it take control.


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rachelc
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Default  Posted: 7:10 AM, July 16th (Tuesday)

a week before I get it I start upping my ADs. Seems to work. It has been getting worse as I edge closer to menopause.


his Ddays: 2/10, 7/11
my Ddays: 1/12, 4/12 broken NC 12/12

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him: 51
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DoneWithLove
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Default  Posted: 10:47 PM, July 16th (Tuesday)

Unagie, In my case I do feel more irrational a couple days before and during that time of the month. So its a little less of an excuse and more of an explanation for me. You may feel completely in control 100% of the time but in those few days a month I dont and it coincidentally coincides with aunt flow.

[This message edited by DoneWithLove at 10:48 PM, July 16th (Tuesday)]


BW: Me (24)
FWH: Him (24) Jlaz1988ws
Together 11/12/06
2 sons, ages 5 and 1
Married 9/29/12
EA turned PA with OW/ coworker for 2- 4 weeks
D day 4/20/13
TT 4/20/13 - 7/30/13
"R" 5/3/13

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KBeguile
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Default  Posted: 10:57 PM, July 16th (Tuesday)

I feel badly for throwing Heart under the bus on this one. Yes, she might have started, but she was in the process of going through some VERY heavy stuff, and THAT is what prompted her responses.

I apologize for misleading anyone. I'm glad she and I were able to talk it through, though!


Me: fWS 32
Her: BS 35 (HeartInADustpan)
DS: 4yo
M: 7 years
DDays: 2012/11/14, 2013/02/05, 2013/03/09
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"Everything that happens now is happening 'now.'"
"What happened to 'then'?"
"We passed 'then.'"

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DoneWithLove
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Default  Posted: 11:06 PM, July 16th (Tuesday)

That's ok, better safe then sorry. Good luck


BW: Me (24)
FWH: Him (24) Jlaz1988ws
Together 11/12/06
2 sons, ages 5 and 1
Married 9/29/12
EA turned PA with OW/ coworker for 2- 4 weeks
D day 4/20/13
TT 4/20/13 - 7/30/13
"R" 5/3/13

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Aubrie
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Default  Posted: 11:19 PM, July 16th (Tuesday)

Hmm...what about a female WS when she experiences extreme PMS? How is she supposed to handle the "natural" cravings, mood swings, irritability, and depression? What happens if she tells her BH to back the heck up off of her?


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Default  Posted: 11:30 PM, July 16th (Tuesday)

How is she supposed to handle the "natural" cravings, mood swings, irritability, and depression?

My solution was chocolate.

What happens if she tells her BH to back the heck up off of her?

Honestly depends on how good the communication has been between you. QS probably had to deal with it before the A as well. How was it handled then? The only real issue would be dealing with triggers during the event. Then a modicum of control might be needed to inform him that now is not a good time. Get him a new power tool as a substitute for chocolate.

Strength


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DS 23(Mine),SD 21,SS 20(Hers),DS 9 Ours, DGS 3, DGD 1 mo
D=Day #1 5/04EA (Rugswept)
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DoneWithLove
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Default  Posted: 11:34 PM, July 16th (Tuesday)

Id say learn how to self soothe because hes your top priority now. Good luck

[This message edited by DoneWithLove at 11:39 PM, July 16th (Tuesday)]


BW: Me (24)
FWH: Him (24) Jlaz1988ws
Together 11/12/06
2 sons, ages 5 and 1
Married 9/29/12
EA turned PA with OW/ coworker for 2- 4 weeks
D day 4/20/13
TT 4/20/13 - 7/30/13
"R" 5/3/13

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Unagie
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Default  Posted: 3:57 AM, July 17th (Wednesday)

So FWW must learn to self soothe but for the BS it's reasonable to not have a conscience and be merciless? Perhaps I'm reading this wrong but for awhile directly after DDay I sank into such a deep depression during that time of the month and self soothing sure as hell didn't help. The anger I felt after I caught him didn't subside and was made worse during that time of the month but it was never a reason to get nastier or meaner.

I am never in control 100% of the time. I know that about myself and so take the extra time to step back and calm down when I'm really pissed off or hurt. I'm sorry I just don't and have never seen PMS as a reason to be a little extra. I was a bitch when I was in my teens and when I realized it reigned it in and controlled my behavior. We are all capable of doing so.


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Default  Posted: 1:03 PM, July 17th (Wednesday)

I think its normal (hormones or not) to feel like being so merciless towards someone who has done me wrong in one of the worst ways possible. Dont get me wrong, I love my H but when you poke the bear, your gonna get fucked up.

I had my times of being angry and bitchy during R but never have I felt the need to be merciless towards him.

R is a time to come together to get through one of the shittiest times in your lives.

It's full of mood swings, highs, lows, angers, pain, sadness and love.

Being mean and spiteful get you nowhere. I think it is so much better for you, him and the M to find a way to work through the anger and come out of it closer as a couple.

As much as there are times you wanna haul off with a 2x4...you just have to stop and think...this is the person I love and this is the person I am fighting to save my life with...

JMO


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Me: 45
Him: 47
Dday 8/2007
We have R'd

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sisoon
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Default  Posted: 2:51 PM, July 17th (Wednesday)

Dont get me wrong, I love my H but when you poke the bear, your gonna get fucked up.

That comment has bothered me, and I've decided to add my opinion - and this is all opinion, not fact(s). I'm pretty sharp, though, and pretty experienced, so my opinion may have value.

I read the statement quoted above to say that your relationship is pretty much a struggle for power, a contest for who gets to be nasty to whom.

IMO, that's not R, either as a process or as a destination. The process of R is building a new relationship that meets both partners' needs for loving, of being loved, and for being better than either partner would be alone.

An R in which power simply shifts from the one who had it pre-A to the one who didn't have it pre-A isn't likely to last.

I hope I'm misreading this statement.


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DDay - 12/2010
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Aubrie
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Default  Posted: 3:23 PM, July 17th (Wednesday)

Id say learn how to self soothe because hes your top priority now.
Are you saying a WW with PMS should to self-soothe and get over themselves, but a BS with PMS is allowed to do whatever the heck they want simply because they're a BS? Am I interpreting that correctly DoneWithLove?

Here's the way I see it.

If a person (WS or BS) has terrible PMS before Dday, then I'm sure both parties in the relationship are aware of it and work together to get thru that nightmare time each month. After Dday, they both know the person (WS or BS) has terrible PMS and while it may complicate things for a few days a month, continue to work together to get thru it.

However, if a person (WS or BS) has sunshine and Skittles PMS and then after Dday uses their PMS as an excuse to treat their partner poorly, I see a bad problem. Doesn't matter if you're a WS or BS. A menstrual cycle is absolutely no excuse to mistreat people and then laugh about it.

I think karmahappens and sisoon's posts are excellent.

JMO


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DoneWithLove
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Default  Posted: 5:11 PM, July 17th (Wednesday)

So the BS should keep their mouths shut and their problems to themselves, pmsing or not. Im not the big bitch you all are making me out to be but im not going to lay down and take anything from anyone, that's whats gotten me to where I am now. Im done with playing nice to save face. I have needs that always took a backseat before, that's not how it is anymore and im never going back. So what if my hormones are off set right now, he made this monster and now hes got to ride out the storm. He knows it and owns it and me wanting to tear him a new one is how I feel, that doesn't mean I do it. I know whats right and wrong so I can comprehend when its time to put my big girl pants on and deal with it in a mature way. Im no hitler, im just stating the fact that when I pms I have a harder time than usual dealing with A related things, ie, my fWH.

[This message edited by DoneWithLove at 5:12 PM, July 17th (Wednesday)]


BW: Me (24)
FWH: Him (24) Jlaz1988ws
Together 11/12/06
2 sons, ages 5 and 1
Married 9/29/12
EA turned PA with OW/ coworker for 2- 4 weeks
D day 4/20/13
TT 4/20/13 - 7/30/13
"R" 5/3/13

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kiki1
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Default  Posted: 9:31 PM, July 17th (Wednesday)

wow, what a post.

sisoon-what a nice definition of r. I wish I could say it was what i had.

as for pms, i would like to add that i also have a harder time dealing with fwh, but mine manifests in tears and emotional meltdowns. I'm 47 now, 3 years ago prior to dday, i never really had a problem with pms. sometimes it was so slight, my period would catch me by surprise.

Blah, not so anymore. it seems that the trauma of finding out about the cheating, plus getting closer to menopause has magnified my pms. I'm an emotional wreck for sometimes 10 days to a couple of weeks prior to an actual period.

I would imagine pms is hard for all involved, regardless if we are w or b.


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ladies_first
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Default  Posted: 7:38 AM, July 18th (Thursday)

I love my H but when you poke the bear, your gonna get fucked up.

Please elaborate on the ways that your husband "gets fucked up" by you.


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Default  Posted: 8:26 AM, July 18th (Thursday)

If a person (WS or BS) has terrible PMS before Dday, then I'm sure both parties in the relationship are aware of it and work together to get thru that nightmare time each month. After Dday, they both know the person (WS or BS) has terrible PMS and while it may complicate things for a few days a month, continue to work together to get thru it.

I agree with what Aubrie is saying in general, but I want to focus on this bit specifically. My wife's PMS was brutal. That's not a joke.

I learned to "work together and get thru" it by knowing the signs that PMS was coming and playing duck-and-cover for a week. That's also not a joke. Working together meant that I had to learn to let bygones be bygones for whatever vicious and ugly things were said, whatever fights were picked, etc. to me one week out of the month.

We did that for years, and I just understood that "this is how my wife is during PMS". It was part of the package.

The problem after D-day was that I stopped giving a shit about "this is how my wife is", so if she was going to bring it one week out of the month, then I was going to fucking eat her lunch. I'm not going to "work together to get through" someone treating me like the dog they get to kick.

I think that's what the male BS is up against with PMS (and the female WS). I made a post recently about margins for error. Most guys know that PMS week is a crappy time for their wives, so they try to be more understanding and learn to duck-and-cover and self-soothe...because we've learned that PMS earns a bit of margin for error 'cuz it sucks for our wives.

It's highly likely that margin for error is going to get chewed up after D-day because, frankly, the BH just isn't going to tolerate being a punching bag. The angry words, disrespectful attitudes, fights picked, etc., aren't going to be instantly forgiven under the umbrella of PMS. They're going to *count* as one more example of the WS expecting the BS to eat the shit sandwich with a smile. Expecting me to be understanding because you've got PMS has consequences that it likely didn't have before.

I want to stress here: I'm not actually disagreeing with Aubrie. I'm just pointing out that it's more complicated than just "do what we've always done that's worked instead of using PMS as an excuse to be a twat", because "what we've always done" is predicated on a whole host of assumptions, dynamics, quid pro quos and generosity of understanding that likely does not exist for more than a dozen PMS cycles after a D-day.

ETA: Excised a minorly pertinent detail, because it felt like over-sharing on review.

[This message edited by wincing_at_light at 8:45 AM, July 18th (Thursday)]


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Default  Posted: 8:36 AM, July 18th (Thursday)

I'm sorry DWL, I just can't get behind this:

I love my H but when you poke the bear, your gonna get fucked up.

If your PMS is that bad, to the point that you're ragey and hostile, please go see your doctor.

I get it - it took trial and error to figure out which hormonal birth control didn't make me psycho. I CANNOT take Ortho Tri-Cyclen as the triphasic pills make me insane. Like, throwing a heavy tray at my friend when she asked me if I was ok (we were waitresses at the time). I also can't take generic birth control at all - too much variation is allowed in the amount of effective ingredients and the slight shifts made me weepy and angry. It's REALLY hard, but I do think it's important to get your hormones under control. It's not fair to punish the other people in your life because of PMS and it's definitely not a free pass to vent your anger.

I'm sorry if I came across as harsh, but I just think shrugging and saying, yeah, I can say what I want because he fucked up and I have PMS is not conducive to a healthy dynamic. That's a week out of the month, 25% of your whole LIVES.


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wert
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Default  Posted: 8:36 AM, July 18th (Thursday)

A menstrual cycle is absolutely no excuse to mistreat people and then laugh about it.

Unless you are laughing together which my W and I have done. :)

take care...



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Default  Posted: 8:48 AM, July 18th (Thursday)

I think it's important to remember not all WH's are the same. And not everyone is in the same place in their healing. DWL is very early in recovery with her WH. So she is dealing with PMS and a very recent dday.

ETA: Also..a BW..especially a new BW..or a BW who has experienced a dose of TT..have been traumatized by the actions of their WH. The betrayal,the lying,the depth of all of that,etc. PMS intensifies all of those feelings.

As for a WW..can she call her BH an asshole and be bitchy..sure. I don't think their BH's response will be a good one..but sure,they can be bitchy when they have PMS. But if they are trying to R..well..as unfair as this sounds..no..no they can't be bitchy..they can't tell their BH's to go to Hell..not if they want to R. Unfair? Sure. But..nothing about infidelity is fair.

[This message edited by confused615 at 9:07 AM, July 18th (Thursday)]


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M: June 2001
D-Day: 8/10/10
Status: Happily Reconciled.

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Default  Posted: 8:59 AM, July 18th (Thursday)

Jana, it's nice to know I'm not the only one who went psycho on certain seemingly benign pills. Hormones are complicated.

Prior to dday I didn't have much of a problem anymore. After dday every thing was heightened so certain times I'd go off the rails and I didn't feel like I had much control over it. That was the most frustrating and scary part. It's leveled out again, so now I do have more 'control' to recognize it and work on it.

My husband knew it was coming, many times before I did. He'd brace himself and when it was over he'd throw his hands up in the air and say WHEE -- another ride on the roller coaster. I've been given a prescription and one of the side effects is mood swings, we are both nervous at the thoughts of me taking it. Things are good now, so lets not rock the boat.

I agree with Confused. IMO we relate to things from our own experiences. We honestly have no idea what another person truly experiences. It's not possible.

Sorry, but I get my back up a little when people say, just control it. Like it's that easy. Like somehow you are acting a certain way on purpose and snap out of it. Suggesting to someone they should get something like hormones checked out by a doctor - and it's not always easy to find the problem and correct it BTW is one thing. It's another to say in judgement, make a choice to control it.

[This message edited by DixieDevastated at 9:00 AM, July 18th (Thursday)]


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Default  Posted: 9:02 AM, July 18th (Thursday)

Jana, it's nice to know I'm not the only one who went psycho on certain seemingly benign pills.

t/j - I have so many friends who went nuts on triphasic birth control. I don't know anyone who DIDN'T go nuts on it. end t/j


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Default  Posted: 9:25 AM, July 18th (Thursday)

I know I sure did, but it did keep me from getting pregnant.


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DoneWithLove
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Default  Posted: 6:34 PM, July 18th (Thursday)

Thank you confused615. Like I said, just because I want to tare him down doesn't mean I do. And "poking the bear and getting fucked up" is a metaphor for overstepping boundaries, especially with someone who is not only been hurt emotionally but is hurting physically. Its just plain old out of line for a WS to overstep boundaries period, regardless of being the H or W.


BW: Me (24)
FWH: Him (24) Jlaz1988ws
Together 11/12/06
2 sons, ages 5 and 1
Married 9/29/12
EA turned PA with OW/ coworker for 2- 4 weeks
D day 4/20/13
TT 4/20/13 - 7/30/13
"R" 5/3/13

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