Topic: Getting there/being there
Member # 38287
| Posted: 2:07 PM, August 22nd (Thursday)|
Here’s my take on what I feel is an incredibly successful reconciliation.
My wife and I are going on 21 months out. Our marriage has truly never been better – in every possible way. We have found a way to move past the hurt and find a new relationship that hasn’t existed for 20+ years.
What I’ve learned is that reconciliation demands a BS that is able to let certain things go. I have come to recognize that certain aspects of the affair (in my case a LTA with very difficult obstacles to overcome -but it might be ANY circumstance) will never sit right with me. They will always bother me. I’ll never be able to wrap my head around them or make sense of them in any way – because they DON’T make sense. Even my wife recognizes that some of the things she did, or the events that transpired, are so over the top and egregious that she can’t reconcile them in her own head. It was imperative that I let them go – or, at the very least, put them in a place where they don’t overwhelm me. I needed to make the conscious choice to let them sit, to not allow them to continue to hurt me – and, maybe just as important – to learn how NOT to bring them up all the time so that our marriage could heal.
That understanding is SO essential for reconciliation. Without being able to move past some of these demons that can NEVER be quelled it’s simply impossible to move forward. I read posts here about people who simply cannot put the demons in their place – they are stuck on details of the affair that preclude reconciliation, let alone forgiveness. I feel awful for them and often want to scream at my computer screen, “If you can’t let go, move on!”
That ability doesn’t come quickly – or easily, btw. In the first months I was paralyzed with shame, anger, hurt. I couldn’t contain the rage that dragged out question after question, insult after insult.
But, you know what? With time I came to realize that this person who sat beside me on the couch, taking it all on the chin, tears streaming down her face due to her own personal shame and humiliation, was truly sorry for what she had done. I realized that her guilt was as overwhelming as my loss. I realized that continuing the interrogation no longer mattered. It no longer brought me peace. It just hurt… both of us.
It takes two to reconcile. It takes a spouse who is truly remorseful, who understands the depth of the pain he/she has caused and is willing to take any steps necessary to remedy their choices.
You need me to stop seeing certain friends? Ok. You need me to answer questions? Here are the answers. You need me to stop drinking? I’m signing up for AA. You need me to learn to communicate better? I’ll make the IC appointment. You need me to change jobs? I’m already looking.
There are so many posters here, desperate to be truly reconciling, with a WS who is, what I call, RB – “reconciling but…” The husband who wants to hold onto his marriage BUT he won’t leave his job where the OW works. The wife who wants to stay together for the kids BUT won’t follow through with IC to address her self-esteem issues. Reconciliation means putting your betrayed spouse before EVERYTHING else so that they, and you, can heal.
Reconciliation requires two people to truly be able to recognize the depth of the betrayal but also be willing to look past it toward a better future. To be, as my wife eloquently wrote me, “on the other side of awful.”
I firmly believe that while the logistics surrounding reconciliation require some time to work out, it’s pretty clear early on who is a candidate and who is not. As I’ve said in the past, it’s not all that difficult to look into the eyes of a husband or wife (someone who, after all, you know better than anyone) and see if they’re “all in” or not.
Is your spouse “all in?” Or are they still “reconciling but…?” If they’re all in – help them. Give them the opportunity to make amends and recreate your marriage. Make the choice to move past the hurt and give yourself a chance to live again.
As for us? We’re at a place where we’ve never been before. It’s a wonderful spot – with the type of love, passion and support that I’ve looked for my entire life. Difficulties remain. Sadness can still overcome me. I have occasional bouts of anger. But they’re controlled, by myself and within reason. The affair doesn’t run my life anymore. I do.
I hope it no longer runs yours.
"Pain is temporary. Quitting is forever."
Posts: 110 | Registered: Jan 2013
Member # 37154
| Posted: 2:15 PM, August 22nd (Thursday)|
That's great, LifeisCrazy; so happy for you both!
We are at 11 months and currently in a similar place, with a relationship that I did not dream my H was capable of. He has asked me to hold him to a higher standard, and I do. In turn, I rarely feel the need to bring up the LTA anymore. I still think of it every day, in fact many times, but the thoughts are more fleeting and do not bring me down. Sometimes I follow the thought for a few minutes, more often I try to let it go. This morning I had a minor epiphany (that I will likely share later) but short of those kinds of things it is no longer a topic of conversation.
My H told me today that he is so much happier than he has every been and he has me to thank for it.
So, yes, at least for now, it is possible!
Posts: 1576 | Registered: Oct 2012 | From: northeast
Member # 40286
| Posted: 2:27 PM, August 22nd (Thursday)|
Couldn't have said it better myself. That's exactly how my wife and I were able to get where we are now.
Posts: 12 | Registered: Aug 2013
Member # 30314
| Posted: 2:29 PM, August 22nd (Thursday)|
wow, 21 posts and you come up with this...
everything SO resonated with me.
Thank you for posting this...
[This message edited by rachelc at 2:30 PM, August 22nd (Thursday)]
his Ddays: 2/10, 7/11
my Ddays: 1/12, 4/12 broken NC 12/12
4 kiddos in lower 20's
“Courage is the price that life exacts for granting peace."
Posts: 3304 | Registered: Dec 2010
Member # 18429
| Posted: 2:56 PM, August 22nd (Thursday)|
It is all great stuff. The only thing I have a knee jerk reaction to is the term "past". Moving "past" it, or looking "past" it means, IMO, that you are looking over it. In order to really heal, you have to look and move "through" it. There is a difference.
It takes as long as it takes for the BS to become comfortable with the answers that they have to recognize that the questions are just going to cause more hurt and the answers don't matter anyway. I remember the very question that I realized this. I was going to ask my H if the OW's had "freshened" up before he showed up to visit them. Why did I want to know that? It would only disgust me if they didn't, and make me angry if they did (for whatever reason). So I decided at that moment, with that question, to let it go. But it took a long time, and countless questions and answers to get to that point.
And you are absolutely correct, if the WS isn't all in, don't waste your time. There is not much in life that is more difficult than dragging a dead horse around behind you trying to get it to stand up and let you ride again. We can't MAKE our WS's want to R, they have to want to on their own. The successful ones not only want to R, they also want to heal themselves. That's the important part.
DDay - Dec '07
Me - BS
Him - FWS
Us - Committed
May 18, 2010 - I forgave him fully!
"Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction." Isaiah 48:10
Posts: 3859 | Registered: Feb 2008
Member # 40050
| Posted: 4:14 PM, August 22nd (Thursday)|
I would like to add that getting through it can be different for women and men. My WH does not think he would be as devastated as I am.
He could be right. He'll never know. But I am me and he is who he is. I will handle this the best way I can. He did this to a woman who handles like I do.
Me BW, Him WH
DD #1, caught 4/12/13
DD #2, tells me the whole truth, 5/21/13
DD #3, TT until 8/9/13 then full disclosure w/timeline
DD #4, 8/26/13, OW texts me more info, he tells me the whole truth
DD # 5, 9/11/13, he tells me the whole truth??
Posts: 119 | Registered: Jul 2013
Member # 40133
| Posted: 8:23 PM, August 22nd (Thursday)|
I really like this post. Very positive and hopeful, while staying real. Thumbs up!
My WH is doing just about everything he can to show his remorse, try to make me feel better, and keep our family together. That still doesn't stop me from wondering if he is operating out of fear right now, and once the fear is gone he'll slip back into his old habits?...
WH (1DumbHusband): 34
Married 4 years, together 6 years.
D-Day: June 17th, 2013
TTs that came out as late as September 16th, 2013
Posts: 136 | Registered: Jul 2013 | From: Dallas, TX
Member # 38287
| Posted: 8:50 AM, August 23rd (Friday)|
Hi CCW. Your DDay was very recent so it may be a while before you gain the security that true R offers.
For me I have noticed a telltale sign of my wife's dedication to reconciliation. In speaking with her, being with her, sharing with her... there is truly a level of self-disgust in her own behavior. It is clear that she is embarrassed about what she did and she actively tries to distance herself, mentally, from the person she used to be.
Part of it, I believe, is a sense of shame as it pertains to her children (who know). I think that she can't believe that she set such a poor example and has taken steps to ensure that she is a better role model for them.
Whenever I "wonder" about whether she might ever do it again I stop for a moment and think, "Would this person risk the lifetime brand from her kids in order to pursue another affair? Would she stamp her own conscious with the knowledge of being a repeat offender?" In the deepest recess of my heart I recognize that the answer is no.
And you know what? If I'm just blind and it were to happen I'm so much more secure in myself and confident in my ability to move on that I'm perfectly ok with it. She no longer holds the capacity to crush me emotionally. I hold that spade.
The deep down sense of remorse, the guilt and shame that is so evident in my wife's eyes, is the glue that holds together our recovery. In combination with her own personal work, our improved communications skills, a new zest for the future together, AND MY ABILITY TO MOVE PAST THE AFFAIR, makes me confident for our future.
I hope the same becomes true for you.
"Pain is temporary. Quitting is forever."
Posts: 110 | Registered: Jan 2013
Member # 30369
| Posted: 9:11 AM, August 23rd (Friday)|
Very insightful post, LifeisCrazy. I can tell that you and your wife have both put in a lot of work. Well done, and thanks so much for sharing this.
BH/WBF - 40
FWW/BGF (Amerasia) - 43
DS - 10
Posts: 4058 | Registered: Dec 2010
Member # 40150
| Posted: 1:44 PM, August 23rd (Friday)|
Lifeiscrazy. Thank you for this post. It gives me a lot of hope. I know my WH is "in it ". I just need to get to the point where I can be there too. Your story's gives me hope that I can find the strength. Thank you for sharing.
Me BW 40
Him WH 34
2 kiddos elementary school age
Married 10 years
05/20/13 let the rugsweeping & TT begin
07/01/13 finally!! The whole truth. Admits to EA&PA
Posts: 63 | Registered: Aug 2013
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