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Exit Wounds
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Target  Posted: 11:31 AM, September 11th (Wednesday)

This is a pretty heavy topic SI'ers.

I am really questioning my belief in God lately. My mother kept telling me how "God will watch over you” and “you are not alone." Or "God will see to it that xyz."

Well, let's just say things are tough (aren't they tough for all of us?) and I am really wondering where is "my God?!”

I am curious as to what your believes are. Do you believe in God? Did your faith in Him strengthen past D day or weaken?

Have you always believed in Him b/c you were brought up that way or is that something that you came to due to circumstances in your life?

Also I use the term "God" loosely. He comes in many different names so please fill in the blank as to what you call your creator.

If you don't believe in "God", do you belive in many Gods? The power of nature? -I really am curious how other SIers deal with this issue...

Let's all keep within the guidelines and NOT bring religion into it.

I am looking forward to hearing everyones responses

[This message edited by Exit Wounds at 11:33 AM, September 11th (Wednesday)]


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Default  Posted: 11:42 AM, September 11th (Wednesday)

Not sure how one discusses God without bringing religion into it.

Just sayin'.

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Exit Wounds
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Default  Posted: 11:46 AM, September 11th (Wednesday)

Good question.
Religion to me, is about a certain amount of procedures one must follow to be a good (fill in the blank). The question I am posing is about God/your higher power. Not the hoops you have to jump through in order to be accepted by follow members of that pact/sect/etc

I hope I make sense...I have to admit not being from this country still causes me issues with trying to get across what I think makes sense in German

[This message edited by Exit Wounds at 2:09 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)]


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Default  Posted: 11:53 AM, September 11th (Wednesday)

I used to.


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Exit Wounds
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Default  Posted: 11:55 AM, September 11th (Wednesday)

rachelc, you used to? Do you care to elaborate?

ETA
I kind of feel like that's where I am at. I am at the edge of "used to" and "still do"...

[This message edited by Exit Wounds at 11:56 AM, September 11th (Wednesday)]


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Default  Posted: 11:57 AM, September 11th (Wednesday)

I do believe in God. I believe in God as the creator of the universe. Very simply, I believe because "something" cannot come from "nothing." Even the smallest spark of "something" from which all creation came had to start somewhere, and I believe that "somewhere" is God. It is actually a credible and normal explanation, to me. Edited to add: this is my personal opinion only and not intended to incur debate.

XH is an atheist. He doesn't believe in a Creator or a higher power at all. We were talking one time and I got teary-eyed and -voiced, marveling at the intricate and miraculous nature of creation, how everything fits together so perfectly and works so wonderfully, and said, "How can you not believe in God?" He looked at me as though I was crazy and said, for the same reasons I listed, "How can you???" Sigh.

I was raised knowing God's name and with a general idea of the Bible and the information contained therein. I was not raised with a specific religion nor was God put forth as something important or at the center of our family life. It was more of an idea on the periphery of life.

I came more to a greater understanding of God's place in my life and my specific religious traditions much later in life.

Of my four FOO memebers:

- my father was very spiritual but not overtly religious and did not attend church

- my mother has some spiritual feelings but is unsure of the validity of specifics and of Christianity; does not attend church. When I was diagnosed with a serious illness a couple of years ago, she cried to one of her friends that she "wishes [she] were more religious" so she could feel some comfort in that.

- my brother is a very conservative evangelical Christian and an avid churchgoer

- I am more moderate; I go to church regularly and pray daily, but I struggle with my spiritual walk (beliefs vs. my ability to personify those beliefs).

I do have ongoing experiences in my life which continuously reaffirm my belief in God. Many of them are too personal/personally identifying for me to describe here, but I find them difficult to explain as coincidence.

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Default  Posted: 12:14 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

This is a tough one for me to answer. I believe something is there, but I don't necessarily believe it's the god that most people believe in. Sometimes I think it's more about positive/negative energy and the balance of it in the universe. I do pray. However, I don't necessarily pray to a god.

I don't believe the bible is anything more than a novel written during that time period. To me, the bible is to Christianity what Dianetics is to Scientology today.

I once had a Physics teacher ask..."how do we know we're not just an atom in somebody else's world?" and I still wonder about that to this day.


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Default  Posted: 12:19 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

Never trust an atom...they make up everything. I prefer Thomas Jeffersons view:

Say nothing of my religion. It is known to God and myself alone. Its evidence before the world is to be sought in my life: if it has been honest and dutiful to society the religion which has regulated it cannot be a bad one.


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Default  Posted: 12:49 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

I believe in a Great Spirit/God/Allah/All Powerfull being. I was an avid Bible thumper growing up but now I kind of believe from an anthropology point of view that all religions are a way to try to address, understand and speak to God. Kind of like the story of the blind men touching the elephant and explaining different things. As a physician (and scientist) there is no way all of this came about through chance. Not in only 5 billion measley years!


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Default  Posted: 12:59 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

I believe there is something for sure--call if a higher power if you will. I don't believe there is a man sitting on a thrown in a long white gown and beard watching over all of us down here.

I don't believe the bible is anything more than a novel written during that time period

This for me too. I was floored when I took an ancient civilization history course in college and I learned how the bible was preserved for a very long period of time in a civilization where hardly anyone could read or write and then further how changes/revisions where made to the bible according to what ruler was in power at any given time and what their personal beliefs were in regards to government, society and morality. The general theory and concept of the bible went out the window for me at that point.


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Default  Posted: 1:12 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

I consider myself spiritual but not religious. I don't believe the dead are watching over us because that would be a painful afterlife for my brother watching how the mother of his children fails to mother them. I believe the afterlife is a peaceful place.

I also don't think "God only gives us as much as we can handle" but rather is there for strength during the difficult times. There is no way the God I know said "Gee Sandy's son died instantly in the car crash, but she's a strong person so I will torture her with her dd hanging on for a few days and then snatch her away too. She can handle that."

I don't believe creationism and evolution are mutually exclusive concepts - we have a lot in common with a gnat, dolphin, as well as apes. Perhaps Gods perfect design is evolution.

I could go on, but I'm probably bordering on the brink of pushing this convo too far.

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Default  Posted: 1:19 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

I believe there is a spiritual presence in the universe that connects all living things.

I live by a moral code that has nothing to do with organized religion. I try to live lightly on the earth, do no intentional harm, and show compassion and empathy.

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Default  Posted: 1:24 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

I don't believe the bible is anything more than a novel written during that time period

yep and 1000 years from now people will make fun of the religions earth is populated with right now. We do it to those who came before us.
Can't say for sure why I don't believe anymore. Leaps of faith are hard these days.

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Default  Posted: 1:27 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

I don't believe in god. I just don't see any evidence for one.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

I like to live an evidence-based life, not one based on superstitions and myths. I think myths are great if you take them as STORIES, as in, probably fiction.

I live with a strong set of personal values though, and subscribe to a humanist philosophy where I believe that people should strive to do their very best in the world, and that they are responsible for doing the best they can with the circumstances they find themselves in. And for those who have terrible circumstances through no fault of their own, I believe other humans should help them, myself included.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism (wide ranging topic)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism (best describes my personal philosophy)

I don't pray, but I do know that if others are thinking about me, even if they are not doing anything for me, it helps me psychologically to feel supported, and I think that feeling helps me do better by myself.

I have a good friend who recently gave up his belief in god for exactly the reasons you describe. He can't believe that a just god would allow him to suffer as he has.

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Default  Posted: 2:02 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

I do believe in God. I also believe that God gave human beings "free will" to believe or not, deliberately do good or evil, the power of choice. I believe God allows us to live with the consequences of our or other's bad choices. I believe by following God we can takes the ashes of our lives and shape them into a new life with renewed purpose.


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Default  Posted: 2:04 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

I have a good friend who recently gave up his belief in god for exactly the reasons you describe. He can't believe that a just god would allow him to suffer as he has.

I guess you can say "it could always be worse if God didn't watch over us." -At least that is according to my mother, who is/was an absent mother.

I am still confused and trying to make sense of it all.

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Default  Posted: 2:15 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

I was raised in a very strict Christian household and I rejected it when I was very young. I suppose to do that, you have to embrace the fact that you don't have all of the answers and never will. Now I'm an atheist who believes in the power of human will and the laws of physics, however limited our understanding of both may be.

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Default  Posted: 2:34 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

My belief in G-d is at the core of my being. It's really significant that you asked this question now, during the High Holidays, when we reflect on our relationship with G-d and people in our lives. To not believe in G-d, for me, would be like not breathing. I also pray, especially in times of trouble (mine or anyone else's), but also to give thanks, whether for "big" things, or for small things like a sunset, a needed rain, or the beauty of a snowy morning. Talking to G-d is the best part of my day - I just have to keep my mouth shut long enough to hear back!


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Default  Posted: 2:38 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

I do not have religious practice. But I have seen way too many coincidences in my life to deny the existence of something. My faith and my connection to whatever it is has grown tremendously since Dday.


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Default  Posted: 2:43 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

I guess you can say "it could always be worse if God didn't watch over us." -At least that is according to my mother, who is/was an absent mother.

Why am I thinking "God is my babysitter" just doesn't cut it.
The "God is my copilot" bumper stickers always bothered me too, I just hope they actually get confirmation he is ready to take control before they hand over the wheel.

In the end, if you are looking for evidence regarding an abstract notion of a god, rather than some specific deity, you won't find anything conclusive. Most people will choose whatever belief they find most comforting. I prefer to think that this is not all just a test, and that there is an actual end. Others will feel differently.


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Default  Posted: 2:48 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

If there is a creator of our universe as we understand it today, our poor little human understanding of such a creator would be infinitely flawed by the near-infinite vastness of the creation itself.

I think that there is a great deal more to life and what happens afterward than we can possibly have any inkling about today.

Imagine the understanding that human beings had just a thousand years ago vs. our understanding today.

The sun, apparently, no longer orbits the earth. Neither do the stars. Many of our other beliefs will fall in the years to come.

The truth, or Truth if you like, has got to be ever so much greater than we could ever imagine, comprehend or experience while we are alive.

Accordingly, I have no fear of death. I only seek to live life in the fullest way that I can. I also don't see any conflict in that view and praying to God, or Allah or whatever you might wish to call the infinite. I am however, suspicious of the concept of 'worship' since I really don't think that the 'divine' in the universe would really be moved by any such human concept.

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Default  Posted: 2:55 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

The older I get, the more I have this conversation with myself.

The best answer I can give (today) is that I'm an agnostic.
I do believe that there is more than science can explain, however, I need more than words in a book or someone else's interpretation of said book to go by.

I basically live my life in a "treat others as I'd like to be treated" manner and go from there.


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Default  Posted: 3:01 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

No I am an atheist.
I am an atheist because of my education in science, history, anthropology, philosophy, and personal reflection.
I grew up very religious in a devout Christian family. My parents are still very involved in their religion.

That's about all I think I can say without violating the terms of SI.


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Default  Posted: 3:11 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

I'm on the fence. I went to Catholic school from K-6 so naturally, once I left I vowed never to go to church again, ever. And I kept my vow to myself for decades. Long story short, H grew up Southern Baptist and both he and my IL's are heavily involved in the church. Me, not so much. I just have too many questions. I believe in something - maybe it's God, maybe it's a higher power. I'm just not sure. I saw a young girl this weekend that had muscular dystrophy - she had a wonderful disposition and was very pleasant. I began questioning God - if He loves us so much, how could this happen? I even asked H and he couldn't answer me. That one incident has me questioning everything.


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Default  Posted: 3:36 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

Nah. Don't have a good reason to.

I think there's a better argument for a deity than there is for the fermi paradox though. It's like he forgot the galaxy is a hundred fucking thousand light years across. You could teleport instantly between points and it's still stupid to think you could do much more than have a scrapbook of vacation photos. "Check out the Pillars bro" and "This nebula looks like a space dong" in a holobook is what you would get, not complete galactic colonization.


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Exit Wounds
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Default  Posted: 3:38 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

MissesJai:
I just have too many questions. I believe in something - maybe it's God, maybe it's a higher power. I'm just not sure. I saw a young girl this weekend that had muscular dystrophy - she had a wonderful disposition and was very pleasant. I began questioning God - if He loves us so much, how could this happen?

My thoughts exactly!

If I, as a parent, who by no means is perfect will go through hell and back to protect my children, why would a God that is "perfect" allow his children to suffer?!

Plus I am also scared to death that if I do question him, he may punish me to the brink of insanity to "prove to me" that he is real and all powerful.

This just scares the hell out of me. -No pun intended.

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Default  Posted: 3:58 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

Did your faith in Him strengthen past D day or weaken?

Strengthened significantly post D Day. Same for the WW. Exactly why I couldn't tell you. The lessening of the faith that came so easily in my childhood had been one of the great disappointments of my adulthood. But that seems to have completely turned around. I'm not going to over-analyze it...I'll take whatever positives I can get these days!


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Default  Posted: 4:15 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

Did your faith in Him strengthen past D day or weaken?

after DDay one - strengthen
after DDay two - weaken... What God would let me go through this once and then I apparently didn't learn a lesson so had to do it again? psh.


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Default  Posted: 4:33 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

My deal is this. I was raised a Mennonite which is to say religious with a capital R. However, I am at this point in my life as non religious as you can be. However, I simply can’t fathom that there is not something else going on beyond what we can understand. Explain how there can be a no beginning. Science can’t explain it. They talk about the big bang but what was there before the big bang. Nothing is something. Is there an end to the universe? How can that be? Is it a wall? What’s behind the wall? How is it possible for time to end? These are the questions that are part of how belief in a God arose.

Do I believe in God? If you are talking about the traditional beliefs, well I would have to say no. I do believe the odds are greater that there is much more going on then we can even begin to imagine, impossible for us to imagine. Whether that includes my soul or spirit I have absolutely no idea but it is not within my realm of reason to think that there is not “something” going on.


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Default  Posted: 4:58 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

I was raised Evangelical Lutheran, I stopped practicing in my teens, but was married in a church. I began to practice Wicca in my early 20s and stopped in my late 20s. I enjoyed it but honestly the part of the emotional fallout from my D was a complete loss of faith.

I will accept the theory that maybe there is a higher power, but fail to see why I should worship that being. The kind of 'god' I could see myself admiring would probably find abject worship to be vulgar and sort of embarrassing and would just want people to be good to each other and the world.


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Default  Posted: 6:54 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

I believe there is some kind of power in the universe(s). I don't believe it's a being of any kind. In fact the idea has been formulating in my mind that the power is within all of us, and it's up to us to unleash it as needed/desired. It can be a force that's really good or really bad.

I don't follow any religion. At all.


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Default  Posted: 6:57 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

God is something fabricated to give people hope that something can change things in their lives simply by asking when all else seems to have failed. The Egyptians did it, the Mayans, the Greeks, the Indians, the Romans, and every other human species to walk this earth. As evolution has carried on, the dieties change as do their (its) complexities. No one wants to believe that when you die you simply cease to exist... No spirit, no ghost, nothing. Just like a bug that hits the windshield, it ceases to exist.


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Default  Posted: 7:51 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

I believe in science. It makes much more sense to me. I believe when you die, that's it, you cease to exist.


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Default  Posted: 8:51 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

I believe that I am here for a purpose and that things happen for a reason.

I think that there is something better that comes after this life.


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Default  Posted: 8:53 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

Yes, I absolutely do believe in God. As one member put it though, to say more than that might get me in trouble here. However I would be more than willing to discuss it with anyone via pm's.

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Default  Posted: 8:55 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

I hope I make sense...I have to admit not being from this country still causes me issues with trying to get across what I think makes sense in German
I think you always make sense Exit Wounds. You communicate great in English.

I was brought up Catholic. Very Catholic. 12 years of Catholic school. Wanted to be a nun when I grew up. (SisterMilkshake ~ ta-dah) But, even in school I had questions. One day in religion class I asked my 10th "why?" question and Sister Julia just threw her arms up to the heavens and said "Faith, M________ M____, faith!" Well, I thought that answer sucked. I have been asking why ever since! Got kicked out of confession because I asked Father "why?" . But, I always had a strong belief in God.

Until the past few years. The questions of "Why?" just keep a coming and I don't get any good answers. In the past year I found this quote by Epicurus. It is the same one that heartbroken_kk posted:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

This sums up how I feel. I am not ready to say I don't believe in God, but I can't say I believe, either. I feel it is possible that there is God.

there is much more going on then we can even begin to imagine, impossible for us to imagine.
This is what I feel, too, asurvivor.

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sullymeishadomi
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Default  Posted: 9:38 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

To me God is not religion. Humans created religion.

To me God is love.

Humans created punishment etc.

I have had situations happen to me that I attribute to God (conceotion off dd7...there is a story to my miscarriage and then conception of dd).

Sorrow. Illnesses. Etc, to me that is just life. Life is not perfect. I believe God gives life but does not control life

To me the beauty that is just in front of our nose, that is God.

I hope I didnt cross any lines here. If I did, pls edit


People tell you exactly who they are...why expect them to be what they are not ....will be divorcing the selfish creep.

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aesir
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Default  Posted: 10:04 PM, September 11th (Wednesday)

I believe there is some kind of power in the universe(s). I don't believe it's a being of any kind. In fact the idea has been formulating in my mind that the power is within all of us, and it's up to us to unleash it as needed/desired. It can be a force that's really good or really bad.
I don't follow any religion. At all.

Sad, that sounds like a Jedi...


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Rebreather
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Default  Posted: 12:02 AM, September 12th (Thursday)

No. I really don't. Very little of any of that makes sense to me.

There are some teachings I find valuable and some guidance for living I have adopted. But I do not believe in the underlying theory at all.


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wontdefineme
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Default  Posted: 1:19 AM, September 12th (Thursday)

I believe. If you have a hard time understanding, watch Joyce Meyers. We go through hard times to grow us, to mature us, for on the other side we become wise. People say if God loved us he wouldn't let us hurt. He sacrificed his son for us, if that isn't putting us before himself, what else is. He sacrificed his son because we couldn't follow his rules. He gave us one choice after that, come to him through his son, and most people even put their own spin on that. Ask yourself this, if we are wrong, what did we lose but a life of having faith and trying to live well. If the nonbelievers are wrong, well you know that answer.

I never blamed God for what my ex did, that is ex's fault, not God's. I have been blessed many times since divorce. I have watched my daughter be faithful to our God and watched be blessed. My heart is full of joy and thankfulness knowing my God provides what I need and wants to grow me.

As far as the bible being fiction and written by man, nonsense. Not one thing in the bible has been proven wrong.

Many atheists have tried too prove it wrong and have ended up believers.

Like I said earlier, watch Joyce Meyers show, she tells it like it is.

I believe because I see the blessings in my life and I feel the holy spirit in my life. When you believe, it is like a hole in your soul has been filled. Like when you have a child and never knew what you did before them. Love, it is your heart filled with love from a father that will bring you to your knees to save you so you won't be separated from him for eternity.



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idiot85
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Default  Posted: 6:47 AM, September 12th (Thursday)

I believe in God, I'm Catholic.

My belief doesn't strengthen nor weaken no matter what is going on in my life.

If I'm struggling I pray for help, if I'm winning I give thanks.

My belief in God all comes down to a faith I have- it doesn't really move and hasn't done since I was around 14/15.

Something that resonated with me was during the Paralympics- they did a survey for the members of Team GB who had been in an accident which had resulted in some kind of disability, the question was simple- "are you lucky or unlucky"- every single one said lucky. Then they asked the athletes who were born with a disability- again, "lucky".

I think this shows that in this world, with all the suffering, there is no suffering that joy, confidence and hope can't overwhelm.

I also don't really give a monkeys what anyone believes as long as they're happy, comfortable in their beliefs and are equipped with humanity and a decent moral code my friend put "jedi" as his religion on the 2011 census like many here in the UK did...

[This message edited by idiot85 at 6:49 AM, September 12th (Thursday)]


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SisterMilkshake
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Default  Posted: 7:36 AM, September 12th (Thursday)

He sacrificed his son for us, if that isn't putting us before himself, what else is. He sacrificed his son because we couldn't follow his rules.
Why? I didn't kill one of my kids because the others didn't follow the rules.


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metamorphisis
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Red  Posted: 8:07 AM, September 12th (Thursday)

Stick a fork in it people. We're done. The religious debate guideline is very clear.



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