User Topic: Did WS need something extreme/A to wake up?
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Default  Posted: 1:12 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

I am worried to ask this, but it is eating at me and some members allude to this. Do you think your WS needed to hit rock bottom for them to wake up? It is is for both BS and WS to answer.

I am starting to realize my WH was in a mini-fog all his life on certain emotions. I don't think he has ever felt really deep feelings or fully connected to anyone. He seemed to have guarded his emotions with an arrogance and selfishness. I think he has many wonderful traits, but these four things are what bit our marriage in the end. We did have a good marriage, but I realize now what was lacking and how surface-level it was. There had been many times I would ask him what he needs to have fun and get excited about his life. We had several discussions throughout the years about him being a workaholic and putting his family as second priority, but none of it sunk in.

Post A, it sunk in. It seems he has finally woken up emotionally, it seems he gets it now. He realizes how guarded he was and has even matured as a person. In his words, the scales have fallen from his eyes. I don't know if this growth happens because of fear of your life crashing or something else causes it. Obviously, I struggle that he had to go to this length and drag me through hell before he became enlightened.

What are you thoughts? Did they/you need something extreme to wake up? Would they/you have eventually gotten it on their own without an A?

Entering R slowly and cautiously...

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Default  Posted: 1:18 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

Yes, Absolutely.
I had to hit MY bottom to be able to reach out for help and find out what I needed to do to deal with my shit.

I thought I had hit bottom so many times over the years, but my A and the destruction caused to my BS and myself was The bottom that woke me up.

I've been climbing up ever since, slipped back a few steps here and there, but the Journey has been amazing.

[This message edited by broevil at 1:20 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)]

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BS him 39 AFrayedKnot
Together 7 years
2 children

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Default  Posted: 1:28 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

Great post Ilinia! I would say Yes for both of us.

Since we have alcoholics in the family my H said that he felt like he hit rock bottom the last time he was physical with the AP. He said, "If I was in AA, I would have had to go back and get my first chip again."

Because a bit of time passed between his second last time (argument with her) and the last time I believe this also helped him get to where he needed to be in terms of ending it. He knew it had to end anyway and while I wish it would have ended sooner, it relieves me that it ended with him feeling like shit.

In the year or so leading up to D-Day, I was very frustrated with our marriage. I was resentful, angry, scared that this would end in divorce. I thought, "if he ever cheated, I will end it."

Guess what? That is not what I really wanted. I realized even in that dark, sickening night of D-Day that I truly wanted our marriage.

Funny you should mention that re: emotions. My H has always had fun but the past 10 months he is much more in touch with his feelings - he is going deeper. It's him but there is more to him now, you know? A maturity. I think he is becoming the man he was always meant to be.

It is too bad that it came through an A. This is something we need to make peace with.

Me: 44
He: 47 WH
Married: 15 years
D Day: December 2012
Affair: Fall 2009 - Dec. 2011
R is not linear

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Default  Posted: 1:28 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

Sadly, I see similar traits in my WH, but feel he hasn't (or won't allow himself to) hit rock bottom. I'm beginning to allow the reality to sink in that he may never "get it". I just can't believe he would throw it all away... However, his powers of compartmentalization and justification are so strong, I think he will believe that he made a great choice. It just makes me so terribly sad. I've wished for a long time that he would "wake up", but I think he prefers his fantasy dream state...

Glad yours is waking up!!!!


LA, we cross posted. Just have to comment on:
"I think he is becoming the man he was always meant to be." Sadly (again), I really wish my WH could do the work to become the man I believe he COULD be. Glad yours is stepping up!

[This message edited by StillStanding1 at 1:31 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)]

Me: 40s BS, Him: 40s WH
M 21 yrs - 3 teens
LTA = 2+ yrs, Dday = 2/10/13, he moved out, he officially moved back in 1/25/14 and our work continues...

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Default  Posted: 1:33 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

I got an out-of-the-blue confession, but FWH was thoroughly yanked out of any remaining fog when I took DD (8mos at the time) and went to live with my dad for 2 weeks.

He went from, "Why bother working on this - I've ruined everything and there's no fixing it." to completely TERRIFIED of what he had just lost.

Cherish those who seek the truth but beware of those who find it. - François-Marie Arouet

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Default  Posted: 1:34 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

I don't think my WH#2 has hit rock bottom yet, but when I told him I was done the second time and he could see I was serious he ended his A. His actions are still lacking alot to what we need to truely R, but I can't fix him. He has to do that himself. He unfortunately is a slow learner when it comes to things so I am having patience as much as possible. He is an alcoholic and I think it will take him hitting rock bottom with his drinking before he can even start to deal with his other shit.

M-9 yrs T-11 yrs
4 children-none together
DD#1-9/5/11 LTA 2yrs
DD#2-7/3/12 False R
DD#3-4/29/13 (OW broke NC)
Status: Your guess is as good as mine.

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Default  Posted: 1:59 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

No. I think he did all that he has done because of bad boundaries lack of self esteem and on and on......
He is terrified of losing me if he didnt do all that he has done to show me he loved me I would be gone! He said he tries to show me every waking day how much he loves me and how sorry he is. I just wished I loved him like I use too

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Default  Posted: 2:00 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

This was so true of my H. I had tried so many times over the years but could never reach him. He was "fine". Even he acknowledges that it took the complete devastation of what he had done to me to cause him to examine himself for the first time. He was also a master compartmentalizer, even dissociative, selfish and unable to fully connect with anyone.(this is why I believe his LTA was the way he describes it). He lied to avoid confrontation and to get away with shit. Our whole relationship. Mostly he lied to himself.

He didn't realize everything all at once; it took a few months and he still continues to grow and change. I suspect that will be a lifelong process. But, wow! I never would have believed he could be this way. He truly has become self-aware, giving, unselfish, open, honest. What a difference.

I wouldn't go back to before the A if I had the chance (I know I am in the minority here). The pain I have gone through is worth it both for the payoff I have received in the improvement of our M, but also in the fact that the man I love more than anyone in the world if finally becoming whole and at peace. The A was never about me, never about our M, never about the OW. It was about his dark, destructive impulses, and one way or another they were bound to come to light.

I am happy to still be with my H and help him on his journey.

[This message edited by catlover50 at 2:02 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)]

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Default  Posted: 2:04 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

my WH hit rock bottom when I moved out (took our kids) and he moved on his own. He went from rug sweeping to what can i do to fix this. what can we do to repair our marriage. his last text to me was (and this was sent for no reason, just because):

"All I want or need is you. You're the love of my heart and soul."

This is a guy where all he said was "I love you" no deep emotions. We're not there completely, but, he's getting it. The fog has lifted.

My only wish? It didn't take the A for us to realize how our marriage was lacking AND that we needed to work on it. Honestly, we were just going through the motions of a marriage.

[This message edited by strongerdaybyday at 2:06 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)]

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Married 6 years, together 13+ years
D-Day Summer 2013
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Default  Posted: 2:06 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

He was also a master compartmentalizer, even dissociative, selfish and unable to fully connect with anyone.(this is why I believe his LTA was the way he describes it).

Wow. I see my H is this before D-Day.


I wouldn't go back to before the A if I had the chance (I know I am in the minority here).

I am with you on this Catlover. As bizarre as it sounds, I agree.

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He: 47 WH
Married: 15 years
D Day: December 2012
Affair: Fall 2009 - Dec. 2011
R is not linear

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Default  Posted: 2:07 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

Yes, he got fired for sexual harassment. That woke his ass up big time and he hit bottom hard.

It was the best thing that ever could have happened. I'm so glad he got fired.

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DDay 1 - Jul 11
DDay 2 - Jul 12
R Dec 12

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Default  Posted: 2:14 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

Yes. A week after Dday I caught him in a lie and very calmly told him to get his clothes and get out then to notify me what day the movers were coming for the rest of his stuff.

I told him I will love him always, but I will not live like this so I'll have the divorce papers filed this week. I'd tell my kids in the morning, it was up to him what/when to tell his kids but don't expect me to candycoat why we're divorcing if they ask me.

I think how calm I was and the fact that there was no question in his mind that this was no idle threat
shook him to the core.

Me: BW 52
Him: WH 55
Married 8 years
4 20-something his and hers kids

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Default  Posted: 2:23 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

Most definitely! My H was on a moral downward spiral for several years - but compartmentalized everything and kept most of it from me. I felt that he was spending too much time with his band friends. I tried to get him to prioritize the marriage/family many times. But his band was Really good and I was trying to support him. He never gave me any reason to suspect cheating. Turns out his were ONS or on-line EAs turned PAs while on business trips. He never had a girlfriend in our city that he was splitting family time with.

For him, rock-bottom started with our separation. He now says that he realized he messed up the minute he left. But, he was determined to "show" the world he was right about his decision. Three months later he finally consummated his lurve for COW #4, who lives 1600 miles away. But that was only for 4 days. Then he came back to our city and finally moved out of his friends' place and into his own little apartment.

So, he's sitting there staring at the walls, waiting for the next visitation with the kids, when he realizes that OW#4 is not going to work out - he still loves me, and never really loved her. They break up. BUT, Pride gets in the way and he continues to sit in his little apartment.

A light bulb goes off somewhere around month 5 and he sees that all the things I was trying to tell him about his so-called friends was true. They were users and bad influences on his life. But he sees that I'm finally starting to be happy again and he doesn't want to cause me any more pain. So he continues to stare at the walls.

Finally, at 6 months from separation, I declare that I'm finally "done". I told him I had spoken to a lawyer and was ready to divorce. The kids were good with it too. THAT was the final straw for him. He broke down and started crying "What have I done?"

We've come a long way since then. We had a couple of setbacks in the beginning of R. But now we are solid. He has changed so much. He doesn't take anything for granted anymore. He appreciates that I am his wife, his partner.

While I hate that we separated and the kids/I went thru so much pain for his stupidity, I do believe that he would be up to OW#6 or 7 by now if things had remained the same for us. The separation and pending D woke my husband up from his stupidity!

Me (46) WH (42),2 boys 15 & 11
M 18yrs T 22yrs
Separated 10 months (4/12 to 2/13)
Final Total - #1/#2 ONS and #3/#4 EA/PA - left me for #4, didn't know about #2 and 3 until he moved back home
We are solidly in R now

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Default  Posted: 2:28 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

Sadly, yes, i think it took the A to extract WH's head from his arse. In the first few months following DDay is the hardest i have ever seen my WH work. REALLY dig deep and see, not just the lack of respect from the A, but the lack of respect throughout our whole marriage. The A has changed the way he sees everything in life, and he is different in many ways. The person WH is becoming now is the person he should have always been.

Sadly, yes, i think it took the aftermath of the A for me to really SEE the way my WH had been treating me over the years...and to finally say NO MORE, i wont accept this anymore. It took the devastation of the A for me to learn to stand up for figure out what i really needed out of my marriage and to accept nothing less. I have readjusted my standards...not just with WH but with the people I allow into my life as friends. I have learned to be less of a people pleaser and more of a ME pleaser. Whats that Dr Seuess saying????.......something like "those who matter dont mind and those that mind dont matter"

It had been 20+ years. It breaks my heart more than i can express...but no, i dont think we would have gotten here if it wasnt for the A. It is so so so sad that it takes something like this for people to make those epic life changes. Guilty as charged. I was one that was "happy enough"...muddled thru because its what we were used was was good enough....comfortable enough.

No more. Its worth the hard work. Trying to keep facing foot in front of the other!

hugs to all of you!

Me: BW
Him: WH
OW: My former "dear friend"/neighbor
Married 20+
Kids: 3
D-Day 12/2012
Committed to R 7/8/2013
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Default  Posted: 2:45 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

Obviously, I struggle that he had to go to this length and drag me through hell before he became enlightened

I know others have chimed in, but yes...I feel the A was definitely rock bottom for my WH, and D day was such another wake up. And seeing me the way I have been over the past few months. But, yes, his A was rock bottom. He is still processing through it right now. We had a talk the other day about how for the first few months we were just trying to stop the bleeding and take care of me- now that im a little more stable ( ) he is starting to become really refective and self evaluative---without me prompting him all the time.
It is hard for him. I see how disgusted he is by what he did, and who he was during that time.
It is making for some sad times, and some difficult conversations on both of our sides, but is in NO WAY the way it was pre A.
He wasn't bad pre A, we just bottled stuff up and didnt ever talk...for real. We were too busy trying to make everything look perfect and not upset th other one.
I don't care now. Ill say whatever at this point, because I WILL NOT get to this point again.
Hopefully, he is truthfully feeling the same way.
Time will tell.

Everyday is a new day, some good, some bad.
Me- BS 39
Him- FWS
14 years- 2 middle school children
DDay- 07-24-2013
NC broken from August 6- 24, 2013
Avalanche of Truth on November 14, 2013
Length of A: June 10th to Dday- with broken NC

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Default  Posted: 2:52 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

Thanks for the responses. I hope some of your WS wake up soon...sending hugs your way.

I think this is a hard concept for me to wrap my head around.

As a spouse, you want/assume your are their number one person. I struggle with feeling invisible, why wasn't I enough to snap him out of it, and why wasn't he more aware of what he was doing to us?

It does always help knowing many of you are in the same boat.

Entering R slowly and cautiously...

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Default  Posted: 3:01 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

I do think my FWH needed something extreme to wake him up. I don't feel he would have ever owned his shit otherwise. I don't see how he would have all of sudden acquired some emotional maturity and depth. He was in denial that he had any issues. It didn't have to be his having an affair, though.

I could have left him, he could have left me. If I had left him and started dating right away, he would have totally freaked and hit bottom. If I had actually died, he would have hit bottom.

We had tried MC, he thought we were picking on him. FWH took me for granted. Only when faced with really losing me did he wake up and start owning his shit.

I wouldn't go back to before the A if I had the chance (I know I am in the minority here).
I wouldn't either, however, it didn't have to be an affair that made him hit rock bottom.

BW (me) 50ish FWH 50ish
Married 34 years, 3 children
d-day 3/10 LTA (4 yrs./fucking & flirting)

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Default  Posted: 3:03 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

My husband's A ended 2 years ago (she moved out of state). When I ask him how do I know this won't happen again, he says he couldn't put me through all the pain again.

I can tell you I found out 2 months ago, but he changed before then. He became much more involved with the kids, spent more time at home, and spent more time with me. He was definitely less angry, less volatile, and less gloomy.

I hope things will stay this way. Although I wish it didn't take the A to wake us up, we now constantly text each other how much we love each other and constantly compliment each other. I hope this will make for a stronger marriage. I always thought I would leave him if he had an affair, but the day I found out I knew I would never leave. And that realization is terrifying in its extreme vulnerability.

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Default  Posted: 3:41 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

You last sentence about knowing you would never leave and vulnerability really struck me. I felt the same thing.
As I get further along in this ...oh the word..PROCESS ... I have learned that I would now- be able to keave i mean.
NOT based on how things are now, they are moving along and he is doing as great as I could hope- but... I have deal breakers now. I have requirements. And for me, they are non negotiable.
I love him and am committed to working this out- truly. But for the first time in our 15 years, I had to ask if I COULD leave if I needed to.
I'm pretty sure I could now. I don't want to, and don't plan on it, but I am ready should the need arise.
I hate that I am speaking like this now- but, such is life at the moment.
I had to throw out my fairy tale goggles and realize that this is going to take some work.
So I guess, my question wasn't "can I leave?" But,
"Is it worth staying for if it takes this much work?" And my answer right now, is yes. It is worth the work.

Everyday is a new day, some good, some bad.
Me- BS 39
Him- FWS
14 years- 2 middle school children
DDay- 07-24-2013
NC broken from August 6- 24, 2013
Avalanche of Truth on November 14, 2013
Length of A: June 10th to Dday- with broken NC

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Default  Posted: 4:31 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

This is a such tough question. I do hope I eventually would''ve "woken up" without turning to As, and I wish to hell I wouldn''t have made that choice. But yeah, the A aftermath got me to start IC, 23 years overdue, and my C helped me realize how profoundly affected I was by childhood trauma that I''d never processed. I always knew I was "empathy challenged," but I didn''t realize that condition was curable.

The therapy, the reading, the introspection, the work...these improvements are helping me become a better wife, mother, and human. And I really needed it, more than I ever could''ve realized. Ask my 9-year-old son. He recently flat-out told me he was mistaken before, when he told me I was the best mom in the world, because he would never want to go back to *old mom.* But he says *now* I *really* am the best mom in the world. And I''m just getting started.

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BH: 52
DDay: April 21, 2013
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Default  Posted: 7:02 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

That sounds very possible to me. I was never emotionally disconnected (except the period right before the affair began). But it took the affair for me to realize how MISERABLE I was with my life. Some of it my marital issues, some of it my own personal problems. But I wasn't living the life I wanted and I never realized it.

I sincerely wish my realizations came at a smaller cost.

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Default  Posted: 7:25 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

Ilinia - I could have written exactly what you wrote. How long do you have? This is the case for my SAWH. My H has a history of only dealing with things when the proverbial sh*t hits the fan.

Not ever going to be happy this all went down, but I now realize that if this A hadn't happened and I had never caught him, he would never have gotten the help he needed to address problems he's had his whole life and never resolved. We're talking some DEEP emotional wounds. Shut down emotionally, selfish and addicted to porn is no way to go through life!!!

Plus never really having a deep relationship between us to begin with (my SAWH is very much a "surface level" person - never has been emotionally deep) and terrible communication skills and me just putting up with it because that is how I grew up. In my H's case it is a SA thing...he hit rock bottom when he got caught and was faced with losing his family and everything he'd worked his whole life to attain.

I'm not sure where we are heading in terms of R...just seems like we make progress and then there are setbacks. But I feel 100% better than I did a year ago and it has zero to do with R. At least I know I am not crazy...that's progress!

[This message edited by womaninflux at 7:33 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)]

BS - mid-40's
SAWH - mid 40's
Kids - 2 elementary school aged
Getting tons of therapy and trying to "work it out"

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Default  Posted: 7:28 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

Your post describes my FWH and our M to a "T."

The A was his first wake-up call, and his realization of what his porn addiction was doing to him (turning him into a liar, missing out on his family so he could look at porn, and morally bankrupting him) was his second wake-up call.

He still has a very thick layer over his feelings and memories associated with feelings. At least now there is a crack in his veneer and for the first time he is examining some things about himself and his upbringing.

Reconciliation means that we both are authentic and vulnerable. I still have my H, and he's a better man than ever!

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Default  Posted: 10:53 PM, October 15th (Tuesday)

His A was actually a wake up call for us both. We both know that his A was his bad decision. However, I also know that right before the A started I had emotionally and partially physically removed myself from our M. That old saying, you don't know what you have til its gone, is true for us both. Yes, he had to hit rock bottom. Yes, I wish that he would have been able to figure out his issues without having an A. I wish that it would not have taken him turning to OW for me to wake up and realize that I wanted our M! However, it is what it is. It happened, we can't change it so now we deal with it and move on. He is a much better person now, we are a much stronger couple now. Also, he now knows that I love him unconditionally and I always have. Which is one of his issues that he has worked on. Thanks to his parents he didn't know what unconditional love was. He also knows what it feels like to live without me and the kids and he doesn't like it.

Married 8yrs
Together 11 1/2
Me~ 3 kids, 21,17,14
Him~no kids
A with a mutual "friend" for 2+yrs
He confessed 9/9/12
A was over 2/12
7/13~ Happier than we have been in yrs!

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Default  Posted: 4:05 AM, October 16th (Wednesday)

Yes, I also believe that h had to hit his bottom to wake up. I find this very hard to admit, almost feels like I am giving credit to his actions. KWIM? We have talked about this. I have told him that I see he had to hit bottom to wake up but I will never feel good about the means. I guess I try to be grateful for the changes in him and that now we have the chance to have a real and intimate relationship but I hate that I have to suffer for it.

It did also wake me up. I was settling for way too little. I was too understanding and accepting of poor treatment. I did try to reach him over the years, letters, tears, counseling, it never worked. He was so removed emotionally from me and himself, we didn't have a chance.

We do have a chance now. H is in IC, we are in MC, h is beginning to open up. I hope that he can sustain it.

For me, I can never go back to the way our life was before. I keep thinking now that I know what life can be, what I deserve, I can never unknow it, never be satisfied with crumbs.

It shocks me to now see how little I thought I deserved. I just never knew there was more, I never saw it.

"So often times it happens, that we live our lives in chains and we never even know we have the key"

I would now like to be known as Can!

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dday December 20, 2013
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Default  Posted: 4:05 AM, October 16th (Wednesday)

FWH was living in a kind of fog all his life. He was getting more and more dissatisfied and full of self loathing even before he began his A!

The A was a bit of distraction for him but when it ended wasn't when the fog lifted. It was when he received the reason WHY I was D him from the lawyers. It included additional stuff to his A and that's when reality hit him.

That was the point he realised that D or S or R he had to get help.

He immediately begged for forgiveness and then begged an IC to start work with him immediately!

It wasn't the A that woke him up. I think it was the great IC he saw who unlocked all the crap in his life that had allowed him to go on to have the A.

BUT- I do think that the catalyst was my D him that led him to realise just how big of an asswipe he had become

This guy used to hide everything including his emotions.

Now? He is so open I can read him like a book. I don't wish his A had happened and I wish we could have got here some other way but I wouldn't trade the H I have now with the asswipe I met and M

BS(Me) FWH(Him) DDay 05.09
A went underground. True R 02.10
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Default  Posted: 9:16 AM, October 16th (Wednesday)

I have been thinking this as well. Yes.

BS - Me 36
WS - Him 35 (almost 36)
Child: son, 6; just learned one on way
DDAY - July 24, 2013 (thousands spent on ex girlfriend)
DDAY2 -Aug. 3, 2013 (proof he slept with her)
R is slow going after TT for 1 month

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Default  Posted: 9:34 AM, October 16th (Wednesday)

Yes, absolutely.

I think rock bottom was when *I* realized how narcissistic WS was acting. It was ground breaking for me. I was literally overjoyed. I was laughing like a loony and almost skipping around. He, naturally, was so upset that I could possibly think there was anything wrong with HIM. He whined, wallowed and wept for a couple days, but I stuck to my guns (literally laughing in his face at times). It was liberating for me. That is the moment I can pinpoint where he finally pulled his head out, started owning it and we started real R.

Hang in there.

[This message edited by HeartInADustpan at 9:35 AM, October 16th (Wednesday)]

Just call me Heart. :)
"If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything" ~Mark Twain

Posts: 379 | Registered: Feb 2013 | From: St. Louis
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Default  Posted: 9:39 AM, October 16th (Wednesday)

yes, we both did. However, its an excuse. Why we didn't use healthier means to "wake up" I don't know. Conflict avoidance and not sharing our most intimate selves I suppose.

his Dday: 2/10 but TT until 7/11
my Ddays: 1/12, 4/12 broken NC 12/12

me (WW/BS): 48
him: (BS/WH)52
4 kiddos in mid 20's

The conditions we face do not define us. They remind us of who we are and who we want to be.

Posts: 5242 | Registered: Dec 2010 | From: Midwest
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Default  Posted: 5:27 PM, October 16th (Wednesday)

SI is better than therapy!

As a read and reread your posts, I felt lighter and happier. To see how many have similar stories helps me realizes that no matter what I said or how many tears I cried or how many conversations I started or how many different work schedule strategies I suggested so he could spend more time with use, it was never going to "click" until he hit bottom.

Again, I just wish there had been a better way...hmm, maybe we can invent something.

Entering R slowly and cautiously...

Posts: 491 | Registered: Jul 2013
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Default  Posted: 7:06 PM, October 16th (Wednesday)

I strongly believe that people are value programmed at an early age and only change when they undergo a traumatic experienc. My wife was curled up in a fetal position in our walkin closet wanting to die. She has changed. So have I.

WW 47 FOO Issues
DDay 11/09 Coworker
High School Sweethearts
Married 06/91
8 months TT
Sons 19 and 14
Recovery is constructing a pyramid of inference from which to see clearer.
The process involves using the reflexive loop.

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