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ajsmom
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Default  Posted: 10:57 AM, November 27th (Wednesday)

Who's watching?

OMG - great show.

Confession time: Wasn't a James Spader fan during his stint with 80's rat pack movies. Drove me nuts actually.

Then he showed up on Boston Legal.

Awesome.

Now, I'm even more in lurve with him. And the show.

Not many shows actually capture my attention for the full hour. This one does for sure, though I'll admit I sometimes have to revisit episodes to make sure I didn't miss anything.

Anyone else a fan?


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Default  Posted: 11:01 AM, November 27th (Wednesday)

Confession time: Wasn't a James Spader fan during his stint with 80's rat pack movies. Drove me nuts actually.

Then he showed up on Boston Legal.


Exactly. Boston Legal was definitely a turning point in our relationship.

The show is great, and so is he.


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Default  Posted: 11:01 AM, November 27th (Wednesday)

Absolutely love this show!
Next Monday night is the fall season finale.
I Googled last week and a full season of episodes has been ordered.
So it will be back.....but when?


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Default  Posted: 11:05 AM, November 27th (Wednesday)

Love the show too. Spader is absolutely brilliant in this role.


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ajsmom
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Default  Posted: 11:12 AM, November 27th (Wednesday)

Exactly. Boston Legal was definitely a turning point in our relationship.

Yeppers.

I used to be somewhat jealous of his and Shatner's drinks and cigar moments on the veranda at the end of every episode. Seriously - like "Damn, me and the H should be doing this!" kind of thinking.

He is just amazing as Red. And unless I'm missing a few brain cells (which could be argued to the affirmative - how's THAT for a BL reference? ) - he's totally Lizzie's bio-dad.


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Default  Posted: 10:19 PM, November 27th (Wednesday)

Loving it. I dvred it because I was away when the season started. Began watching and stayed up half the night catching up on six episodes...oh yeah, definitely her bio dad.


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Default  Posted: 10:24 PM, November 27th (Wednesday)

Wasn't a James Spader fan during his stint with 80's rat pack movies. Drove me nuts actually.

He was always such a jerk in the 80's

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I like him much better as an adult too !!


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Default  Posted: 10:26 PM, November 27th (Wednesday)

Great show. I love how Spader plays very ambiguous characters in much of his recent work. They sometimes do wretched things, but somehow, you're rooting for them because they have some sort of redeeming quality, or they take advantage of a corrupted system and get real justice. I think he's excellent at portraying realistic and complicated characters, so it's nice to tune into him again every week!


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Default  Posted: 10:31 PM, November 27th (Wednesday)

I'm a huge fan of James Spader. Love the Blacklist and loved him on Boston Legal. I also loved him in Lincoln!!!


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Default  Posted: 12:01 AM, November 28th (Thursday)

We were quickly addicted. And yes, I will be so surprised if he isn't her father. It's just staring everyone right in the face!!

I really remember him from 'sex, lies and videotape.' That still sticks in my mind. Never got into Boston Legal.


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Default  Posted: 5:53 AM, November 28th (Thursday)

Love this show, started here not long ago. So no spoilers please


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Default  Posted: 11:08 AM, November 28th (Thursday)

I have been in love with James Spader since he was in Secretary. The man is so hot. I love the bizarre "sexy Hannibal Lecter" thing he's got going on as Reddington. I am absolutely HOOKED on the blacklist. OMG this week's epidsode was insane!!!


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Default  Posted: 10:00 PM, November 28th (Thursday)

Yep, hooked on it. I've been telling my wife and my pastor that although we for some reason already like the very bad man that Red is, that by the end of the season they will tell his story and we will feel justified in the stance he's taken.

Like why exactly did he turn his back on the government.

I think I've got it figured out. When he told the cleaner the story of the farmer who lost everything and the monster the farmer became, I believe Red was talking about himself. The picture of the woman he took at the end of that episode was a picture of his wife, and Lizzie's mother.

The house he bought and destroyed, the house where his wife was killed and his daughter almost.

He became the monster, turned his back on his country to get the man behind it, the nemesis we heard referenced, the man Red has been carefully establishing his own underworld identity to be able to get to. And this person will be someone within the government of course.

He has established all these contacts, become this seemingly evil man, to avenge his wife's death, and reclaim what has been taken from him.

And there is seemingly a goodness of sorts to him, did you catch it in the episode about the sex trafficker lady that his bodyguard, his name escapes me, had the same branding as those that were child sex slaves. Red got him out of that world I think.


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Default  Posted: 11:24 PM, November 28th (Thursday)

It's my favorite new show.

Does anyone else dislike the husband, Tom? He's too goody goody. It's a trick. Can't stand him.


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Default  Posted: 7:02 AM, November 29th (Friday)

Purplejacket, Tom definitely seems slimy to me.


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Default  Posted: 9:14 AM, November 29th (Friday)

Oh, YES, Tom is up to no good.

I'm just wondering if somehow he doesn't loop back to Red in some crazy way...remember the scene outdoors at the hospital where Lizzie's adopted (?) father passed away (errr...I mean mercy murdered (?) by Red) when he and Tom took up a chat?

I have the sneaky feeling that Red "knows" him.

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Default  Posted: 4:54 PM, November 29th (Friday)

Oh yes, I think that at some point this year, Red and Tom are going to have a Come To Jesus Moment that is going to be EPIC! We love Blacklist so much that we actually cancelled the TIVO for another show that we''ve watched for some time!

This year has been a good one for us, TV wise. We also added Sleepy Hollow to our must-watch list.


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Default  Posted: 7:09 PM, November 30th (Saturday)

I need to start watching this! Can you find old episodes online?


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ajsmom
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Default  Posted: 7:07 AM, December 1st (Sunday)

Punky: try nbc.com.

But hurry before they start pulling episodes off.


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Default  Posted: 8:16 AM, December 3rd (Tuesday)

Red's lying...he's got to be lying!


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Default  Posted: 5:31 PM, December 3rd (Tuesday)

"The Blacklist has been renewed for a full 22-episode second season."


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Default  Posted: 6:14 PM, December 3rd (Tuesday)

...and it returns on Monday, January 13th!


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Default  Posted: 6:18 PM, December 3rd (Tuesday)

He's definitely lying, about the daddy issue IMO, not about Tom.


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Default  Posted: 6:46 PM, December 3rd (Tuesday)

lingerdog...
I agree with you.

...and do you think Alan Alda will continue with his character?
....and who is (are???) the mole(s)?
...and reason to have Kessler's ex-wife show up in hospital other than next-of-kin?

..stay tuned for January...

..Oh, and Tom, something is definitely wrong with him....

..and I think Red lied about being her father1

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Default  Posted: 6:46 PM, December 3rd (Tuesday)


Oops!
Double post!
Too excited....

[This message edited by looking forward at 6:47 PM, December 3rd (Tuesday)]


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Default  Posted: 12:41 AM, December 4th (Wednesday)

Love the show and Spader!


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Default  Posted: 5:45 PM, December 6th (Friday)

Alan Alda, I have to think yes, I wonder if he is the nemesis Spader is ultimately aiming for.

The Mole, I think it's the head lady, I don't know her name.

Kessler's ex-wife, I have a feeling that as with everything else on this show her back story is going to be just as twisty.


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Default  Posted: 7:43 AM, December 12th (Thursday)

James Spader nominated for Golden Globe for best actor in TV drama.


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Default  Posted: 8:14 AM, December 12th (Thursday)

Woo Hoo, Jimmy!

I love the Golden Globes. A time to see our favorite stars crocked off their arses.


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Default  Posted: 9:40 PM, January 13th (Monday)

This episode is kicking tail!


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Default  Posted: 9:36 AM, January 16th (Thursday)

Again, !

(Just got to it )

I wish I could do that - just randomly kill the people in life that have pissed me off (or in his case, tried to kill him) without anyone suspecting me.


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Default  Posted: 9:40 AM, January 16th (Thursday)

Dh and I caught this show when they were running a marathon a few weeks ago. We are hooked. It is very very good. I am going to look for the episodes I missed because I am lost on some of the character plots and story lines. But from the 5 or 6 episodes we got to see it pulled us right in. I am so confused on the husband



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Default  Posted: 9:42 AM, January 16th (Thursday)

Yeah, Tom's up to no good.

All his "traveling" to interview for teaching jobs ??? - give me a break.

He's kinda cute though...


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Default  Posted: 8:58 PM, January 16th (Thursday)

Glad it's back!
More names to share from Red!
...and Alan Alda is back...hmm.....but still a nemesis.

t/j: I just hope The Following is just as good as the first season.

Anybody catch a couple of the new series....Intelligence & Killer Women.
Don't like the title of the second one, but I have enjoyed the first two episodes of each.


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Default  Posted: 10:03 PM, March 3rd (Monday)

Told ya Tom is a bad guy!


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Default  Posted: 10:20 PM, March 3rd (Monday)

Told ya Tom is a bad guy!

Totally confirmed! But I gotta say, this episode was pretty triggery. I thought to myself "Thank god I am so far past dday and I can enjoy this without freaking out!"

Oh, and Red is sooo onto Tom.


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Default  Posted: 8:44 PM, March 19th (Wednesday)

Anyone watch Monday night's episode?

We now know Tom is bad and a murderer and apparently actually REALLY near sided but WHY? What's his angle? He's not working for the FBI or Reddington. Who are the other players?

I'm confused. I always thought he was creepy but now I find him disturbing.


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Default  Posted: 9:30 PM, March 19th (Wednesday)

We watched it and I find myself more and more confused. Love it though!


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Default  Posted: 10:43 PM, March 19th (Wednesday)

I think he works for Alan Alda and/or the people who Red used to work for before they murdered his wife. I think they know that Liz is his kid and targeted her as soon as she showed interest and aptitude for the FBI.

So the question is-- who ARE they and why did they kill Red's wife?

Does Tom know who Red is? And if so, that conversation they had after Liz's Dad died (was killed by Red...) confuses me.

And who the hell planted the camera's in Liz & Tom's house?


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Default  Posted: 8:57 AM, March 20th (Thursday)

Ah, yes...the Hari Kari episode.

Does Tom know who Red is?

Oh yes – remember the warehouse scene where he took Jolene before he killed her? He mentions as he shows her all the newspaper clippings, spy dude like trackings, etc., that Reddington has been laundering money through the adoptive father – that is Liz’s “dad” as she knew him – for years. And then he says to Jolene that he sat next to Reddington at the hospital where he was recovering from his stomach would (remember that scene – out in the courtyard of the hospital?) and could have put a bullet to his head right then but didn’t. Then Jolene says “that wasn’t your mission” and then mentions something about Berlin being “worried.”

Tom is definitely someone's lackey but whose I'm not sure. I do agree that Alan Alda will be back.

No doubt that Red and Ressler are amigos now, especially with the “head in a box” gift at the end. This should prove to be an interesting coupling.


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Default  Posted: 3:38 PM, March 20th (Thursday)

But why kill Jolene? Didn't it seem they worked for the same people? I mean Berlin was so worried and all. And that black cowboy guy that worked for Red? What a disappointment he was.


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Default  Posted: 7:58 PM, March 20th (Thursday)

I think Tom killed Jolene because he didn't like how she was bonding with Liz. My guess is he thought she would expose him.


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Default  Posted: 10:08 PM, May 12th (Monday)

I get it ! I finally get it!!


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Default  Posted: 10:18 PM, May 12th (Monday)

Well then fill me in for heavens sake

I just have more questions. Red could be her dad (hence the burn scars) but so could Berlin. Red could have convinced Berlin that his daughter was dead .. who the heck knows?

Anyhow.. awesome awesome show.. but I am just as lost as ever

ETA) They both had that picture of young Lizzy. I think it was Lizzy anyway. Maybe it isn't even her.

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Default  Posted: 10:53 PM, May 12th (Monday)

First, let me warn that his contains spoilers so do not read if you have not watched and do not want to know beforehand.

You have been warned

OK, this is what I think, based upon the story the "guard"/Berlin told the FBI in the hospital and everything that has happened previously.

Berlin told the FBI that the guy the called Berlin was in the KGB but then his DD fell in love with a dissident (I think that was the word he used). So his bosses punished him by sending him to Siberia. Then his enemies sent him a watch that had a picture of his DD (this is key), and then sent her ear and then her finger, etc.

In the last 2 scenes, Berlin was looking at the watch with a picture of his DD (it was and old pic of a young woman), and then showed Red looking at the same pic and taking off his shirt showing burn marks.

So here is my theory -- Red is Liz's biological father. But the man he is now is so far removed from the family man he was that he states that her father is dead. Long ago he fell in love with Berlin's DD and M her and took her to America and they had a child and lived happily for 4 years. Who was Red before he met Berlin's DD? I suspect a spy of some sort. So then one of Red's enemies kidnapped his wife/Berlin's DD and tried to kill him and 4 yr old Liz by setting the house on fire. Red is able to get Liz out, asks Sam to raise her, and goes hunting for the people who took his wife. And he becomes the ruthless SOB that we now see. Berlin blames Red for his DD's torture and death and has been plotting a way to take him down for 20 years. But I am not sure if he sent Tom to protect Liz (because she is his GD) and to put her in harms way (because she is Red's DD).


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Default  Posted: 11:35 PM, May 12th (Monday)

Interesting theories, Dreamboat! But is Tom really dead?


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Default  Posted: 12:04 AM, May 13th (Tuesday)

But is Tom really dead?

I don't think so because he is such an interesting character. I would think that the writers want to keep him around because it is still not clear whether is a bad guy or possibly trying to protect Liz, in a very screwed up way. They can take his story in so many different directions. So I think Liz did not kill him, but left him to die and he slithered away before he actually died.


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