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clralb
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Default  Posted: 3:00 PM, December 1st (Sunday)

Just wow! We all here are painfully aware that there is so much more to infidelity.

Ethan Hawke thinks most people have a ''childish view'' of monogamy.

The 43-year-old actor, who has two daughters, Clementine, five, and Indiana, three, with his wife Ryan Shawhughes, and two children, Maya, 15, and Levon, 11, with his ex-wife Uma Thurman, thinks there should be more to marriage than sexual fidelity but insists he is committed to his marriage.

The 'Getaway' star told the November issue of Mr. Porter magazine: ''My relationship with my present wife is thrilling to me and I'm committed to it. But neither she nor I know what shape the future will come in. Sexual fidelity can't be the whole thing you hang your relationship on. If you really love somebody you want them to grow, but you don't get to define how that happens. They do.''

He added: ''People have such a childish view of monogamy and fidelity. 'He's cheated so he's bad, she's cheated so she's bad,' as opposed to a recognition that our species is not monogamous. To act all indignant, that your world has been rocked because your lover wasn't faithful to you, is a little bit like acting rocked that your hair went grey. Human beings are sexual beings.''

But Ethan, who previously claimed he had no business marrying Uma when he was 27 because he was too immature, now insists he has no regrets even though they divorced in 1998 after six years together.

He said: ''We tried to be as optimistic as we could be: we all want to believe in love and the possibility of love. The older you get, the more you realize how powerful love is. You understand the right ways for emotion to lead your life and the dangerous ways. I don't regret marrying early.''


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Williesmom
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Default  Posted: 3:02 PM, December 1st (Sunday)

What a douchebag. I wish uma would go all "kill bill" on his ass.


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ProbableIceCream
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Default  Posted: 3:15 PM, December 1st (Sunday)

If his argument were really valid, you could also conclude that any animal-like behavior is OK, including indiscriminately killing people, rape, theft, what have you. I realize that he's not saying any of these things (not trying to set up a straw man), but this illustrates that he would need to do way more to prove his point. So basically he's just saying "I'm cool with infidelity, and if you're not you're a child."


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PurpleRose
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Default  Posted: 3:15 PM, December 1st (Sunday)

So, what he is saying is that we should all just realize our spouse (and us even) are not "designed" to be monogamous and therefore we have no right to be hurt when cheated on? Even thought that is what we we're promised in our official wedding ceremony?

What an ass. Clearly, a wayward. Only a wayward would try to make that mindset acceptable by belittling those of us ready to call him out for his poor choices.

I feel sorry for his wife and kids.


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HeartStings
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Default  Posted: 3:43 PM, December 1st (Sunday)

PurpleRose--don't feel sorry for his wife. If I remember correctly, she was the nanny for his and Uma's kids.

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Snapdragon
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Default  Posted: 3:49 PM, December 1st (Sunday)

I'll bet he will feel differently when his children are grown and married and get cheated on. Or if HE is cheated on.


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nowiknow23
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Default  Posted: 3:52 PM, December 1st (Sunday)

I read that yesterday. My eyes stopped rolling about an hour ago.

Justifications and bullshit. How surprising.


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Default  Posted: 4:21 PM, December 1st (Sunday)

I read that yesterday. My eyes stopped rolling about an hour ago


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Default  Posted: 4:40 PM, December 1st (Sunday)

If his argument were really valid, you could also conclude that any animal-like behavior is OK

I think we should all throw poop at next person who says crap like that.

Maybe we can make some rules, such as you can cheat all you want but then you have to give up your job and become a cave dwelling hunter-gatherer.


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caregiver9000
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Default  Posted: 5:08 PM, December 1st (Sunday)

I think we should all throw poop at next person who says crap like that.



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gardenparty
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Default  Posted: 8:32 PM, December 1st (Sunday)

I read one time that humans as a species of the animal kingdom were also not programmed to shit in toilets yet we all seem to adapt to that alright. I find it very bizarre when people use the whole our species is not monogamous as an argument to justify infidelity. Really can't remember the last time I saw a man running around town in a loin cloth with a spear trying to get dinner for his table.


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Default  Posted: 12:17 AM, December 2nd (Monday)

If you feel you shouldn't be subject to monogamy than you shouldn't enter into any relationship that expects monagamy asshole...it's pretty fucking simple.

Hope it works out well for him.


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Default  Posted: 6:00 AM, December 2nd (Monday)

Sounds pretty selfish and like typical justification to A behavior to me. I wonder he would change his tune if Maya comes to him with a broken heart. He then may see what the betrayed side-of-the coin looks like.

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Default  Posted: 9:31 AM, December 2nd (Monday)

Spoken like a true, unrepentant wayward. I'll stick to my "childish views" thank you very much.


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clralb
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Default  Posted: 6:19 PM, December 2nd (Monday)

If you feel you shouldn't be subject to monogamy than you shouldn't enter into any relationship that expects monagamy asshole...it's pretty fucking simple.

My thoughts exactly. He sounds like the childish one.

Gross, butI kind of like the idea of slinging poop at him. Oh, and the ex too! Where's a poop-slinging monkey when you need one???


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Lyonesse
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Default  Posted: 6:25 PM, December 2nd (Monday)

Ethan, who previously claimed he had no business marrying Uma when he was 27 because he was too immature

Sounds like he is still too immature. This one's not done, put it back in the fire.


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damncutekitty
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Default  Posted: 6:26 PM, December 2nd (Monday)

I have found that attitudes like this are common amongst people who embrace non-monogamous lifestyles. They act like they are a more highly-evolved species or something because of their (usually drama filled) lifestyles, and take every opportunity to look down their noses at people who choose monogamy.


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Default  Posted: 6:56 PM, December 2nd (Monday)

He has a simplistic view of fidelity. He presumes "sexual infidelity" actually is limited to the sexual. As though no emotions are involved at all, its all an animalistic act. While that can be true some of the time, its rarely the norm. There is a complex set of circumstances and emotions surrounding most infidelity, even those that seem to be based purely on the sexual, therefore it encompasses more than just sex. When most people are involved in a relationship outside of their marriage, they are betraying their spouse on many levels. You can try to compartmentalize it in a box of "just sex" but its never or rarely just about that.

Its one of those convenient theories. People love to pick and choose theories. Never mind that many practices of pre-historic man aren't practiced anymore because....well... maybe we've evolved intellectually since then? And even when those the urges still exist (violent ones very often) doesn't mean we continue use them to excuse horrific behavior to other human beings.

Simplistic view.


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Default  Posted: 4:47 AM, December 3rd (Tuesday)

I read that yesterday. My eyes stopped rolling about an hour ago.

I think we should all throw poop at next person who says crap like that.

If you feel you shouldn't be subject to monogamy than you shouldn't enter into any relationship that expects monagamy asshole...it's pretty fucking simple.

So much gold.

I love it how he's trying to come across all Buddha on the Mountain.

Polyamorous is a lifestyle choice that has boundaries around fidelity and the like just as monogamy does. As I understand it the 'poly' part is emotional and physical connections with others - all consenting adults.

I don't need to look it up to tell you there is no Poly in Monogamy, fuckwit.

Cheating isn't an open relationship any more than stalking is a romantic walk only one person knows about.

He did Uma a huge favour by being such a fucking coward. I'm so glad he looks so disgusting these days.

That.Guy.Got.Fucked.Up!

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