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niteout
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Default  Posted: 7:38 PM, December 31st (Tuesday)

Married 7 years with my wife during our marriage she and her girlfriends would go over to each others homes and pubs leaving at 7pm -1am.

This went on for years with me thinking that it was a harmless night out. A month ago I noticed her FB open there's no rule in our house that she can't check my fb or the other way.

Browsing through her pics were nothing new that I hadn't already seen. I noticed comment in her pic by a long time friend, a over seas oil worker who worked 9 weeks on and 3 off always returned home.

He wasn't on my FB list of friends mostly because I never added him or he me to the friends list. So clicked on his profile then albums there was 5000 photos going to 2008 when he joined.

Must have spent a hour going through his house party albums he hosts a lot of them due to his money. One the pics shocked me it was a pics of my wife and another girl on top his naked chest smiling brightly for the camera.

The first thing that I did want to shoot over message on fb from her account stating who I was and if he had slept with my wife in 2011. No we just kissed but it didn't mean anything. Lucky for him he was out of the country working.

My wife flatly denied kissing him and as for the photo well that was nothing really. Then we started fighting with her calling me every name that she could think of.

If they did fuck than I want out of the picture. He says that they kissed, and she denies it. What do you guys think? If they did kiss wouldn't they have done more?


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Brandon808
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Default  Posted: 8:12 PM, December 31st (Tuesday)

I''m probably not the best person. My personal track records with Ladies Nights out is dismal. Two wxgf''s who both cheated when the went out with friends.

He has no reason to lie so imho your WW and he did at least kiss. Problem now is that she will go into damage control mode and either lock down her social media or delete as much as possible...or both.

I wouldn''t call the photo "nothing really". It got a reaction from you, didn''t it? It sounds like you''re second guessing yourself.

What concerns me is the extent to which your WW has built this whole social that includes more than just her female friends yet does not include you. I used to go out with both of the wxgf''s I mentioned above. I wasn''t socially outgoing enough for them so they preferred to just hang with their friends. Welllll...that didn''t work out so well for me. Word of warning...I fear you may have scratched the tip of the iceberg considering your WW has been having these outings for years now.


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cissi
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Default  Posted: 8:22 PM, December 31st (Tuesday)

With 5000 pictures on his Facebook and all the parties he hosts, I wonder if he even knows who he has "kissed." I would not take his word for it.

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TrustedHer
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Default  Posted: 8:31 PM, December 31st (Tuesday)

Girls' Night Out was my XWW's cover story for her affairs.

I'm sure there is such a thing as a harmless Ladies' night out. Doesn't sound like the case for you and your marriage, however.

Sorry.


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mike7
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Default  Posted: 8:53 PM, December 31st (Tuesday)

why is she calling you names? I don't think her defensiveness is a good sign.


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niteout
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Default  Posted: 9:47 PM, December 31st (Tuesday)

The over seas oilman has a reputation for fucking a lot girls but is thing is married women, I hope this is not true I really worked hard to my wife.

have a meeting with my lawyer tomorrow and I have given her one more chance to come clean. I asked why didn't you invite me to those house parties knowing that there would be men there?

At first she said that she didn't know that men would be there after all is was a girls get together, it was this girl who nobody talks to anymore that invited them.
I gave her another chance saying don't fuck with me! The real reason that she didn't want me there is that I'm basically non drinker two drinks max.

while everybody pounded back at least 8-10 beers. A couple of minutes ago I informed her that I have a lawyer and I am filling for divorce at first she thought that I was joking. Until she saw the tears in my eyes did she realize the threat was legit. Then she admitted to kissing him but only because he forced her and that she would never do it again.

So I asked again did you fuck him if you didn't I'll forgive you? No we didn't have sex! Almost trusted her until I picked up her phone. There was a message saved in her hotmail from him that I discovered after scrolling down this also goes back to the same time period.

Message to him read when are you coming back? I miss you so much. She said that they are friends from before me and that she'd never give him up and again they never had sex!

I took years just to get a date out of her let alone marry. Who do I trust my gut or her?


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mike7
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Default  Posted: 10:02 PM, December 31st (Tuesday)

well, you've already caught her in several lies. why would you trust her now?

you need to tell her no more contact with this guy. she blew her chance to stay friends with him when she crossed a boundary and kissed him. too bad for her.

if you don't stay strong now, she will not respect you. i think you need to shake her out of this behavior immediately.

talking to a lawyer was a good start.


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trojan007
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Default  Posted: 11:20 PM, December 31st (Tuesday)

First of all girls night out... Not ging to happen with any woman I'm with I know all about that. Hey buddy just remember expect the worst. Best thing you did for yourself and M was file for divorce. remember when it comes to the subject and her lips are moving she's lying. She's in damage control right now, honestly not sure what's worse the affair or the lying. My opinion she has no respect for the marriage or you. The good news is you came to the right place. Lots of good people here that can help guide you through one of your worst nightmares. Please listen to what they have to say. We've all been through it. Good luck and keep posting

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Brandon808
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Default  Posted: 11:39 PM, December 31st (Tuesday)

The real reason that she didn''t want me there is that I''m basically non drinker two drinks max.
Oh brother...I hate to tell you but that is the same reason my wxgf gave for having her girls nights out and going to parties without me. We were together 5 years and were seriously planning on marriage.

My concern is that she wants to keep you because you''re safe, supportive and a good man but she also wants to keep her guys on the side to have fun. That''s what it sounds like here.


xBH
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niteout
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Default  Posted: 12:46 AM, January 1st (Wednesday)

This shit fucked up! 2000 met in a bar she was hot and I was not. She may have been the favorite at least to me. Come on she didn't want me I didn't have dime on me. Slept on my cousins couch during this period, lucky for me life changed 180 degrees. Not 360 but good.

During lunch hour went to subway to eat sub, however upon arriving at the window I was turned off workers in there who looked dirty from a distance. So I made my way over to the Italian restaurant with tar all over me. So I asked the waitress at the door
if I could order out. She invited in the the bar where giving a good among all these suits.

Yeah! it was her and the memories came back long story short after chasing for a few more years we married. At that time she had been living with friends surfing from house to house.

I thought it was a pretty woman ending until now. That why its so hard to leave. Now that she admitted to kissing would you guys believe that no sex transpired everybody can't wrong. if most think that she did than then they hit it.

If I can some how justify the yes. Dd is tomorrow
it's hard. I am crying.


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Default  Posted: 12:52 AM, January 1st (Wednesday)

Sorry brother. I feel for you. I got the we only kissed story line first... When I found out that they had had sex and that it had been a 2 year deal long distance... I cried...a lot...

it's funny. I can't really explain why it hurts so much. It just did then a lot, not as much now. It is such a weird pain in that I have never found the true source.

hang in there, we're thinking of you


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Brandon808
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Default  Posted: 12:57 AM, January 1st (Wednesday)

niteout,
This...
She said that they are friends from before me and that she''d never give him up
...is your answer right there. She won''t give up a "friend" for her husband?
A "friend" that she admits to kissing? Do you honestly think if you had a female friend you kissed that she wouldn''t demand you cut all contact with her?


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Default  Posted: 1:39 PM, January 1st (Wednesday)

She is lying through her teeth imho! She's been cake-eating and doesn't want to stop.

Her nights out sound like it's pretty wild, 2 girls on top of a naked chest ... hmmmmm ... maybe right before that pic she 'just kissed' ... but after????

I think you need to re=iterate NC with him, if she refused, there's your answer.

I have had harmless Ladies Night Outs - but trust me, I didn't go to a house party with other men, and I certainly didn't sprawl across some guy's naked chest.


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niteout
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Default  Posted: 2:13 PM, January 1st (Wednesday)

Signed D paper work today, after refused to give up friendship with om. If its true that I was the safer bet. do think that she can change? Here's the real reason that I signed those D papers, called the om today and invited him out for coffee which he refused so we talked by phone.

According to om my wife had used coke so much so that she landed in rehab. I knew that she had been to rehab however I didn't know why. As far as I know she doesn't use coke anymore.

Isn't coke expensive? On the net its says that coke is a 500-1000 dollar a day habit. Where would she get that kind of money; prostitution? Nobody gives things for free! And I refuse to walk down the street with while some old John comes up to her and says remember the times. This happened to a good friend of mine, its not going to happen to me still there's a part of me that finds it hard to let go.

[This message edited by niteout at 2:25 PM, January 1st (Wednesday)]


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Default  Posted: 3:57 PM, January 1st (Wednesday)

I'm so sorry your here.

What a way to start the new year.
Maybe it's a blessing in disguise, now you can find someone who will really care about you.


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Jesu
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Default  Posted: 7:28 PM, January 1st (Wednesday)

Just a kiss? That is exactly what my WSO said to me, and lied to my face. 2 years later I find out that not only was it not a kiss, she fucked OM for 5 days straight, unprotected, not even on BC. Not only that, there was more than multiple OM, and her infidelity spanned years.

Seriously, trust your gut...I should have! RUN...


Me: BSO 39
Her: WSO 29
Together: 9 years
Married?: No
Children?: No
OM: A friend of a friend
DD#1: June 18th 2012
Many more DD after TT
PA#1: 1 week in Nov/Dec 2010, which led to a long distance EA
R: ?

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Default  Posted: 7:53 PM, January 1st (Wednesday)

Well... Using too much coke does not necessarily mean a daily habit. Could be that she used coke “socially” when drinking but excessively on those occasions. And yes it is expensive but pretty women seem to have a way of not having to pay for their drinks… or coke.

If she was using coke to the extent of needing rehab then she shouldn’t be drinking alcohol. As a rule addicts are prone to misusing all drugs – alcohol, coke, amphetamines… - but have a drug of choice.
For example: An alcoholic might prefer getting drunk on whiskey but if he had no other options he would drink vodka. If he had no access to alcohol he might try drugs simply to get his high. Heck – I have seen bums that spread shoe-polish on rye-bread to get a high. So rehab tend to emphasize living a totally drug- and alcohol free life.
So if she went to rehab I venture she was told to stay off alcohol as well as other drugs.

Is it possible she went to detox rather than rehab?

Maybe the flirtatious behavior was part of her pay-check for coke? Maybe the rich OM could have these outrageous parties with all these women because he provided the occasional snort that they knew they would be offered if they were “nice” enough.

In that sense then yes – she definitely crossed a border and yes, kissing in itself is infidelity. But possibly there was no further sex. But if that was the case then the email you found is strange. If the attachment was simply a social wild party one then she wouldn’t be sending him those types of emails IMHO.

Are you determined to divorce no matter what? Do you have a list of requirements that if she meets you would reconsider?


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niteout
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Default  Posted: 12:13 AM, January 2nd (Thursday)

WW wants to work this out including cutting of om. Yes she admitted to using coke, xbf was a meth dealer and went away for many years while he was in jail she dated a gangbanger a shot caller and he gave her the free coke.

This is prior to our relationship! Geez I knew that she was hot but I didn't want all this baggage. WW never told me any of this until now lucky for her we moved before I could find all this shit out plus she changed her maiden name to my last name. clean slate...

My gut tells me that she was a hooker she hung with the gangs don't they put women too work on the street. We do have kids so this is a hard decision plus I still love her! but a prostitute come on... I've one month to decide what to do before the paper is submitted to the courts.

Do you guys see what I see and that's that most gangs would put the girls to work?


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Brandon808
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Default  Posted: 12:22 AM, January 2nd (Thursday)

What concerns me is whether this is truly in her past. You got turned on to all of this by the guy (OM) who is currently in her life.


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niteout
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Default  Posted: 7:24 AM, January 2nd (Thursday)

I threatened him and told him that I was going to call his work if he didn't answer my questions. I don't know if they'd even had cared what did bother imo him is the fact that he's a drug abuser imagine had his job asked for a piss test.

So I asked him how they met and for how long they'd been together. according to him he met her through her xbf the man who went to jail for selling meth, tried to make it sound that ww was always hounding him while he wanted nothing to do with her. Over the phone he sounded drunk.

Probably most hot girls have a past! Men are willing to go give them drugs but this is to much for me right now. WW confirmed her past there were even more gangs who she'd been hangin with, I think that when you enter their lair sex is always the result. This makes me sick.

WW was just hair under 30 when we met again and married, ww had lost most of her youthful looks. maybe I was in love with memories?


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Default  Posted: 7:31 AM, January 2nd (Thursday)

I think your best chance to get the truth is to continue hard down this path you are continuing. You can always halt the divorce or even remarry at some point if she comes clean with everything and you still decide it's worth working out. I think she needs to know that you are going to do plenty of your own investigating and that if you find out anything that contradicts what she is telling you that there won't be any hope. Of course you have to mean that.

I'm really sorry you are here. That's a load of mess to swallow.


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-divorced since 2004

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Default  Posted: 3:14 PM, January 2nd (Thursday)

I wouldn’t worry too much about the hooker aspect.

Yes she has a past. Yes she had BF that were in a bad place and they enabled her to get into and remain in a bad place. But in the basics I venture the BF/GF relationship was comparable to usual BF/GF pattern. As a rule even drug-pushing BF don’t share their GF.

Pimping is a completely different issue altogether. Pimps sometimes pimp out their GF and/or have sex with the women they are pimping. But this OM sounds like a dealer and not a pimp.

If you have doubts about her past then please clear them ASAP. No matter what your future relationship with her will become then remember that she will always be the mother of your children. You will always have to interact as co-parents. A past as a hooker will NOT make her less capable of being a mother but you always looking and judging her as a possible ex-whore will always impede your ability to have her as a wife or co-parent. IMHO you need to deal with her past and its possible impact on your future together.

I would seriously look at her alcohol use. As I have already mentioned then people that need rehab tend to misuse ALL intoxicants. Maybe coke was her drug of choice, but she seems to have replaced that with alcohol.
Keep in mind that misuse of intoxicants is NOT limited to daily consumption. Your WW could abstain from drinking for weeks but if she consistently crosses a border each time she drinks… well… then she has a drinking problem.

Look – IMHO it’s OK and maybe even necessary for spouses to have social lives outside the marriage. I meet with old college friends, fishing partners and work associates for an occasional dinner, drink or trip. But it’s AGES since I felt a need to go out with old drinking buddies on a regular, tight schedule simply to party and get drunk! Heck – I can’t afford to waste 2-3 days in having “fun”, being hung-over and recovering physically. It’s WAY TOO MUCH TIME taken away from what’s REALLY important for me; namely FAMILY. My wife too sometimes goes out with her friends but for the last 10 years that’s been similar to my agenda: A good time with great friends and home relatively early and relatively sober. That’s what happens with time and age if you aren’t fighting substance abuse.
Your WW insistence on going out for a girl’s night in THIS pattern is yet another reason I hammer on her possible alcoholism.

I’m going to suggest the following:
Make the seriousness of the situation very clear to your wife. Make it clear that there is ONLY one thing that can possibly save the marriage right now and that is the absolute, believable and accountable truth.

Then ask her about her past. Remember – neither of you entered this relationships with a silky clean past so allow her the leeway you might expect.

Ask her about her rehab. What substance? What about alcohol? Does she have a substance abuse problem? What rehab center? Do they say their patients are fine with booze?

Ask her what she’s willing to do regarding the future. Remind her that all recovery programs suggest people move out of the group of friends that enabled substance abuse.



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niteout
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Default  Posted: 9:00 PM, January 2nd (Thursday)

I've talked to a couple of guys that have known ww since high school and they say the opposite of what I suspect and that is no ww has never been a prostitute, because she got by being a cock teaser. Apparently ww played a lot of guys like me to have her needs met, there's doubt that ww went beyond kissing.

Hard for me to believe it, maybe it's true. One guy told me that ww played him for years while only giving him a kiss. Another guy told me pretty much the same.

Really good either way on this one... gangs come on... The big trouble is her past yes she was involved with bikers, which I didn't know about until today, plus other groups that I don't want to even know about. Question is if a biker brought you into his den wouldn't he expect sex from you?


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Brandon808
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Default  Posted: 9:28 PM, January 2nd (Thursday)

Question is if a biker brought you into his den wouldn''t he expect sex from you?
From what I know...absolutely yes. I haven''t heard of too many bikers who keep a girl around who is always a tease.


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BeyondBrokenInTN
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Default  Posted: 9:48 AM, January 3rd (Friday)

Dude, get over yourself already.... You never dreamed you could land a woman like her - trophy wife - but you did. Then you find out she has a past and (forget the cheating for a minute) you are disgusted?

Sounds like you didn't know a damn thing about her before you married her. You didn't care back then because you were just happy she chose YOU.

It's not fair to hold all of this against her now. Deal with the "kiss" issue, divorce her if you want but don't use her past against her now. It's not her fault you didn't ask her these things before you decided to marry her. Just saying.

ETA: I'm sorry, I don't mean to bash you. I know you are hurting and upset. I do wish you the best and I am sorry for what you are going through. Seems to me, she knew she could take advantage of you.... If you stick up for yourself and put a stop to it, she'll respect you even more. Good luck.

[This message edited by BeyondBrokenInTN at 9:55 AM, January 3rd (Friday)]


Me: BGF 38F
Him: WBF 33M
Together for 5.9 years (4/5/08)
PA - Oct. 16, 17, 18, 2013 (business training out of state)
EA - Oct. 14 - Nov. 22, 2013 (same Woman)
D-DAY ~ Nov 22, 2013 (I found emails & confronted).
Working toward Reconciliation

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doggiediva
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Default  Posted: 10:32 AM, January 3rd (Friday)

Maybe you can convince her to take a polygraph..

I think an issue you might be dealing with is that her sketchy past history makes her seem less credible to you due to the fact that she has been deceiving you, cheating on you...Had you asked WW about her past before marrying her or had she volunteered it, sifting thru this infidelity mess might not be quite as complicated..

I agree with the others

Two current issues

Lying and disrespect for you and marriage

Possible addictions to alcohol, drugs and/ or sex

If your WW can work to fix what is broken within herself in regards to these two issues, her past may fade from your mind as time goes by..

[This message edited by doggiediva at 10:34 AM, January 3rd (Friday)]


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Default  Posted: 11:40 AM, January 3rd (Friday)

I agree with doggiediva..
Go for the polygraph route. Search for a local guy, work up a question list and tell her she needs to take it.


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niteout
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Default  Posted: 3:56 PM, January 3rd (Friday)

felt like I was at a used car dealership the first time I met her mother. They invited me over to their home and treated me like royalty. WW mother has some kinda degree in psychology and used it to invent and graft a history for her daughter. I didn't know until today that WW spent time in a mental hospital.

Everything was about finding out how much money I had on me. The first question that her mother asked me, is that your truck parked outside?
No, I parked around the block is how I replied.

Mother says oh you mean that new truck parked around the block? No, I said I came in a car. Their eyes lit up, Think that the mother was looking for some guy to come along and rescue her daughter.

They used car salesman technique, invented a sale of history, knowing full well that nobody was going to buy a car that was owned by teenagers. However if the car was previously owned by responsible people it'll most likely get sold.

How do I get her to go for a polygraph?


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Default  Posted: 1:12 AM, January 11th (Saturday)

Girls night out my ass. More like whores night out. Thats when my WWF would go see her OP and god only knows what else she did.

Sorry man. Shes lying. Theres no telling what else she has done.


BH: 35 (me)
WS: 30 / OM: 30
Son: 11
Affair: 1.5 year long 2012
ONS with stranger Feb 2013
D-day #1 March 2013
D-day #2 April 2013
D-day #3 Sept 2013
Affair continued.
Limbo 7 months
Moved out - 180D - NC
Divorced
She recently ended it with OM

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Default  Posted: 4:34 AM, January 12th (Sunday)

Hey buddy haven't heard from you, hope you can post an update... And I hope everything is going alright for you. keep posting buddy

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Default  Posted: 5:42 PM, January 13th (Monday)

JUst wanted to put my two cents in about these so called harmless ladies nights out. Did not work out that way for me. I travelled a lot on business and at first these little get togethers seemed like just normal fun for a drink or two once every couple of weeks. My wife would come home relatively early and everything seemed normal.

Then things started to change. Unfortunately, because I was gone a lot, it took me quite a while to catch on. When I was around, I started to notice that her outfits were getting sexier and she was coming home later, and the frequency became greater. I asked her what was going on, and she did tell me that it was fun to get attention from guys, but it was harmless. Like a fool, I bought that hook line and sinker, and I guess the attention was making her feel more sexy because our sex life did improve.

To make a long story short, what I did not know was that this attention from guys became a drug to her and if you do something enough times and add alcohol and so called girlfriends,some single and some married,that encouraged her to behave like a "liberated" woman, eventually this led to groping on the dance floor, liasons in cars, and eventually to hotels with at least four different guys. Most of the time thisd went on when I was out of town on business providing a large house for her and a Mercedes for her to drive to hotels in.

I only caught on to this by coming home early from a trip, guessing where her and her friends might be, and walking into this club to find her on some guys lap in a tight embrace.

I am not telling all you BH out there that all your spouses will behave like this but women today are being told in Cosmo and everything they read that it is OK to flirt, OK to leads guys on, and OK to have an affair because they deserve the freedom to express their sexuality. It is in everything they read, and you cannot count on their girlfriends to talk sense to them. In a lot of cases like mine, the actually encourage the behavior or are doing it themselves.

I threw her ass out and am glad I did. She is begging to come back, but that ain't happening right now. Beware of the harmless ladies night out


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