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purplejacket4
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Default  Posted: 12:43 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

As some of you might remember I'm not only a BS but a child of a BH and WW/MOW. My mom started her 30 year affair with a MM when I was eleven years old. The MM was/is a deacon in the church I grew up in, my father was the minister. Nice right. My dad knew my mom was cheating but no whom with. This is what my dad list his job over in 1983. My parents divorced in 1988 when I was 19.

Fast forward ten years. My mom finally cops to me who MM was. Gross. My dad still thinks this man is his friend. My dad is good friends with MM son who works with him.

Fast forward twenty years. My dad has invested 20K in one of MM's hair brain get rich quick scams. Mom is giving MM (who she's still an AP to) has given him thousands of dollars and has a credit card for him that she pays.
I convinced my mom to close the credit card account and I helped pay it off. I told my dad to STOP giving that loser money for Christ's sake! Dad still doesn't know that his friend was Mom's AP partner.

Fast forward 35 years (about now) over Christmas father was discussing officiating at MM/his "friend's" son's wedding. Friends son (let's call him Brent) is a horn dog asshole who was fucking my contemporaries when I was in high school (he's 10 years older than me). My dad was saying that at the wedding he told Brent his "wandering days" were over. It was all I could do not to say "I wouldn't bet on it...I'm sure the apple doesn't fall far from the tree with that one!" I didn't. I just coldly changed the subject and I'm sure my dad wonders what crawled up my ass.

My dad thinks this reticence between us is because I'm gay. It's not. At the same time I came out to my parents is when I found out identify of MM. It's all I can do not to slip as they all are in a tight not group at church and the business they all worked in. And to make maters worse even my mothers parents are friends with MM. Arrgghhh!!!

I'm just so tired of repressing this and compartmentalizing it. That damn Whitney Houston song "saving all my love for you" came on this am and that threw me into this tailspin. Thanks for reading!


Me: BS 45
Her: fWS 48 (same sex partner)
Together: 18 years now (both MDs)
OW: meh so what 40s PhD
DD1: 10/30/11EA; DD2: 11/10/11 Had ONS; TT until 12/26/11; broke NC 6/12; NC again 7/12; R-ish

Posts: 2239 | Registered: Dec 2011 | From: Great Southwest
blakesteele
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Default  Posted: 1:06 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

Wow....that is a complicated situation....very sad. Your Mom settled to be an AP most all of her adult life? And is continuing to do this today?

Not that it is any of my business....but did your Dad invest any time in finding out who the OM was? Not judging....just curious. How did he discover her affair?

Share only what you want to.....


The whole secret thing? Adultery is very much a silent sin and burden. Our closest out-of-town friends know....but only we confided in only 2 people in our town. Our Pastor, whom I reached out too upon my first DD and have continued to seek counsel from (as well as friendship) and a good friend of my wifes who "heard a RIDICULOUS rumor!"...causing my wife to confide in her.


This is the main reason I hold any and all facts or figures surrounding adultery as suspect.....how can you state something that is very elusive with any confidence at all?


My default advice is....when in doubt, tell the truth. The truth is your parents interactions have and continue to affect you. So far, 17 months into this journey, the truth has always helped......it is sometimes very painful...but the truth has never made things worse.

God be with us all.

[This message edited by blakesteele at 1:07 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)]


ME: 42 BH, I don't PM female members
SHE: 38 EA
Married: 15 years
Together: 17 years
D/Day 9-10-12
NC: 10-25-12
NC: Broken early November 2012, OM not respond
2 girls; 7 and 10
Fear is payments on debts you have not

Posts: 3975 | Registered: Jan 2013 | From: Central Missouri
Blobette
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Default  Posted: 1:07 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

Wow. I would find this very hard to live with! Personally, I'd want to slip a note to your mom's AP's BS!

I guess my question would be -- what's in it for you to maintain such close relations with your dad if it's so hard for you to be around him? And I'd be so ANGRY at my mom for forcing you to carry this secret.

What a mess. No answers for you, just sympathy.


BS (me): 50
WS: 50
Married: 26 yrs
Kids: 2
OW: Co-worker, 7 yr LTA
DD 8/1/2012, Working on R

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blakesteele
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Default  Posted: 1:10 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

Any chance your relationship with your Dad would improve with the truth?

I only ask because I believe his life would have improved had he had some truths to work with when he experienced the pain we all know too well.

Peace.


ME: 42 BH, I don't PM female members
SHE: 38 EA
Married: 15 years
Together: 17 years
D/Day 9-10-12
NC: 10-25-12
NC: Broken early November 2012, OM not respond
2 girls; 7 and 10
Fear is payments on debts you have not

Posts: 3975 | Registered: Jan 2013 | From: Central Missouri
SisterMilkshake
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Default  Posted: 1:12 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

Why are you being the secret keeper?


BW (me) 50ish FWH 50ish
Married 34 years, 3 children
d-day 3/10 LTA (4 yrs./fucking & flirting)

"Oh, why do my actions have consequences?" ~ Homer Simpson
"She knew my one weakness: That I'm weak!" ~ Homer Simpson


Posts: 9798 | Registered: Nov 2010 | From: The Great White North USA
StillLivin
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Default  Posted: 1:14 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

Why are you keeping this secret?
It isn't your shame or your secret. Just seems like you have dealt with enough already, and not understanding why you would continue to have something like this hurting you.
Personally, the AP and his dirty, horndog son should let their actions see the light of day. Maybe it will encourage them to become better men. And if not, maybe their BS can see them for who they really are and move on to better men.


I don't need further confirmation of what a fuckwit he is. I already have plenty, thanks very much. -SBB
D: 7/2/2014

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purplejacket4
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Default  Posted: 1:20 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

My dad had confronted my mom and she admitted the affair but wouldn't give up the AP. So my dad (the preacher) goes to the elders and deacons for advice not knowing the guilty party was sitting RIGHT there. The deacon (her AP) convinced my dad to not hire a detective and to just let it go. I know this because my dad told me the story about his caring deacon friend not wanting my mother to be humiliated. Grrrrrr. That man will rot in hell I hope.

I'm still the secret keeper because I'm afraid what would happen if I gave up the name. This affects my dad, my old decrepit grandparents, etc., etc. this is actually one of the reasons I stayed 300 miles away from home and never visit there anymore. I make my dad meet me at my sister's half way in between.

Eta: when the mother fucker dies all bets are off.

[This message edited by purplejacket4 at 1:23 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)]


Me: BS 45
Her: fWS 48 (same sex partner)
Together: 18 years now (both MDs)
OW: meh so what 40s PhD
DD1: 10/30/11EA; DD2: 11/10/11 Had ONS; TT until 12/26/11; broke NC 6/12; NC again 7/12; R-ish

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Charity411
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Default  Posted: 1:33 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

I agree. Why are you being the secret keeper. Your post bugs me on so many levels. You don't bug me. The situation does. Part of it is personal. I was married twice. My second husband left me for his best friends wife. But my first marriage ended because it became clear that my husband was gay.

His whole family was deeply involved in our church. They were deacons and deaconesses. All of them sang in the choir. We went to church at least four times a week. I was the camp cook at bible camp.

When I started to realize I was in a completely loveless marriage we tried counseling. The Christian counselor advised me to file for divorce. Divorce in my church was off limits so when I filed I became the sinner. I was literally shunned. And I became the keeper of his secret because being gay was off limits too. For all the same reasons you describe I kept his cover.

I can honestly say with complete clarity I regret keeping the secret. In hindsight I took on all the collateral damage in an effort to save his whole family from it. It wasn't fair to me. Your mother has put you in the same position my first husband did when he married me under false pretenses. That fact that she told you who it was is a miserable thing to do to you. Because now, if the truth comes out and your dad finds out you knew who it was, he'll likely be angry with you.

I assure you that if you don't stop keeping the secret you will become more and more angry and resentful as time goes on. For years I was painted as a sinful, wanton woman who abandoned the perfectly wonderful Christian man whose family were pillars of the church. The hypocrisy of these church situations is what ultimately becomes unbearable.


Posts: 387 | Registered: Oct 2013 | From: Illinois
TheRealDeal
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Default  Posted: 1:47 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

(((purplejacket4)))

I've been exactly in your shoes though it was many years ago during my teens. I found out about my dads affair before my mom did. After she found out I was put squarely in the middle of it all. worst.time.of.my.life

it's horrible.
it's not right
they truly aren't your secrets to keep
it equates to emotional abandonment- expecting YOU to keep her secret all these years.

I don't have a close relationship with my dad; never understood exactly "why" until during my IC (after D-day) my counselor pointed out how my emotional wellbeing was abandoned so many years ago. how my parents both wanted me to keep their secrets and take on the role of grown-up...to my parents.

I've worked thru most of those issues and I better understand how that time in my life (30 years ago) impact my current life and coping mechanisms. my journey continues so I improve my coping skills and I've grown quite a bit in the past 7 months. perhaps at some point my dad and I can have some semblance of a father/daughter relationship. not sure that will ever happen but I'm open to it...

it seems the secrets you keep for your mother are hurting you and your father's relationship. they are not yours to keep and it seems only you are paying the price. that's a big piece of baggage to carry for someone else.

what blakesteele said is true

the truth has always helped......it is sometimes very painful...but the truth has never made things worse


Me: 45, him: 54
together 18 years
DDay1 March 2013, Dday2 April 27, 2013, Dday3 June 1, 2013
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Tren0R201
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Default  Posted: 1:55 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

How you're letting your dad invest his hard earned money while you know what you know is beyond me. In fact it's unconscionable.

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purplejacket4
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Default  Posted: 2:16 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

Oh I don't. When I found out he gave MM money I throw a stinking fit because the guy is just shady anyway. Then I told my mom to tell her AP if he took anymore money from my dad I'd blow the whole sorid thing out of the water.


Me: BS 45
Her: fWS 48 (same sex partner)
Together: 18 years now (both MDs)
OW: meh so what 40s PhD
DD1: 10/30/11EA; DD2: 11/10/11 Had ONS; TT until 12/26/11; broke NC 6/12; NC again 7/12; R-ish

Posts: 2239 | Registered: Dec 2011 | From: Great Southwest
sisoon
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Default  Posted: 2:30 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

(((pj4)))

Very difficult sitch to be in. If you wait a while (5 minutes? 5 months?), I suspect the solution will become clearer.

My fear is this: MM drags your father into something really bad, which would be prevented if your father knew what a $%^& this guy is.

And I wonder what other damage this guy is doing to his church....


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DDay - 12/2010
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confused615
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Default  Posted: 2:39 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

Please give your father the gift of the truth. Please do it before the mother fucker(OM) dies. If you wait until he dies, you are denying your father the right to confront his friend.

What a shitty position your mother put you in. Im so sorry. My mom did almost the same thing to me when I was only 8 years old. I had forgotten all about it until I read your post. My dad moved out because mom needed "space" for awhile. Within days, her Om was sleeping in their bed. Dad came over one morning and I answered the door. He looked down at me and asked me "Is she in there with him?" And I couldn't speak. Mom told me not to. So I didn't. I will never forget the way he looked at me..when he realized I knew,but wasn't going to tell him. It was a terrible position to put a child in. A child of ANY age, Dr PJ. Im so sorry your mother did this.

((((Dr PJ))))


BS(me)42
FWH 45
4 kids
M: June 2001
D-Day: 8/10/10
Status: Reconciling?

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Rebreather
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Default  Posted: 2:39 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

This is a damaging secret and I think your father deserves to know the truth. He is probably going to be livid with you, but this secret is eating you up inside and slowly destroying your relationship anyway.

Stop being the secret keeper and become the truth teller.


Me BS
Him WH
2 ddays in '07
Recovering.
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Jeaniegirl
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Default  Posted: 2:40 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

Personally I would tell that piece of crap OM that he has 5 days to tell his wife and his son (who probably already knows) and if he didn't, I'd be showing up at church and standing up to testify and reveal it all. Good grief! What a position your MOM has put you in!!! Unforgivable.

I feel sorry for you and for your Dad. No one deserves this level of disrespect.

Tell! You will have support here to get through it all.

[This message edited by Jeaniegirl at 2:41 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)]


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momentintime
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Default  Posted: 3:04 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

IMHO, I can't imagine any reason that is acceptable is keeping this secret. Your Dad is the only one kept in the dark, and for YEARS. He is held to ridicule by your mother and her AP, and possible AP's son. Why would you have let so many years go by protecting your mother and her AP at the expense of your father?

I don't understand this at all. Not trying to call you out, just can't see how this happened and for so long. What the pressure for you must have been like, why would you accept the responsibility of keeping this secret.

[This message edited by momentintime at 3:07 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)]


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Nature_Girl
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Default  Posted: 3:52 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

The truth shall set you free. All of you.


Me = BS (Stay-at-home-mom)
Him = EX-d out (abusive troglodyte NPD SA)
3 tween-aged kids
Together 20 years
D-Day: Memorial Weekend 2011
2013 - I DIVORCED HIM, I'M FREE!
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cancuncrushed
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Default  Posted: 4:21 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

I would confront, inform, mom and AP they have x amount of days to come clean. Its their secret, they should tell your dad.. Its not your secret or your responsibility. IF they choose not to, then you can tell your dad, and explain how you have tried to get them to come forward and they would not.
You need to protect your father and his money. He is blind to all. His being made a fool of, is bad enough, lasting years and taking his cash too is unbelievable.... Helping to keep this secret is siding with mom. Who in this position, wouldnt want to know?
It will rock his entire world. His church. This is what they did. And do everyday.


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marionwendy
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Default  Posted: 4:46 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

Wow I would tell my Dad the truth. This would eat me alive.


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WS-50
Married-18
Together-21
Children-2

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KatyaCA
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Default  Posted: 4:53 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

Secrets thrive. Beyond the affair they've been playing him for a fool for years.

Do yourself a favor and stand up for truth and honesty. Shine the light of truth on their sin and tell your father the truth. He deserves to know.


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blakesteele
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Default  Posted: 7:10 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

I don't have a close relationship with my dad; never understood exactly "why" until during my IC (after D-day) my counselor pointed out how my emotional wellbeing was abandoned so many years ago.

Wow!!!! TheRealDeal just described what IC did for me as well!!!! Even the 30 year time period is MY time period......how long this abandonment fear lay hidden....and yet influenced me.

Not a t/j.....

This revelation did NOT hurt my relationship with my Dad....it enhanced it. Did not improve it yet, but did not hurt it either. I now have a bigger view if it.

purplejacket4....I think it highly likely you have some similar influences at work in you.....could explain why you became the secret holder....became a person so willing to carry other peoples burdens. I think this because I "own" many things that are not mine to own too. IC helped me understand this is common when parents experience trauma during that child's formative years (8-17). When this happens parents are so consumed with their own trials and pain that they "abandon" the critical task if tending to the needs of their child.

The child can't process this feeling so they learn to cope with it.....many times minimizing their needs and tending to the needs of others .... Don't do either very well....but it does result in attention from their parent. Not affection in a healthy sense , just attention.....an okay substitute because that child has no real point of reference. That becomes a coping mech . As that child ages they repeat the pattern.....minimizing their needs while taking on the needs (perceived or real) if others. They enjoy it because they appear to be a very caring and compassionate person, and they are.....but they still crave true healthy affection, healthy intimacy. But the FOO issues blind them to this healthy need within them.....FOO influences that child to repeat the coping mech again and again....with more gusto.....in an attempt to satisfy this need that can never be satisfied via these coping.

Lots of transferring going on here .....I was only "overloaded" to the point of realizing this when my wife chose adultery.....and even then it took me 2 months of struggling (weekly IC) to finally put together the above "truth for me".

God help us all.


ME: 42 BH, I don't PM female members
SHE: 38 EA
Married: 15 years
Together: 17 years
D/Day 9-10-12
NC: 10-25-12
NC: Broken early November 2012, OM not respond
2 girls; 7 and 10
Fear is payments on debts you have not

Posts: 3975 | Registered: Jan 2013 | From: Central Missouri
tryingagain74
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Default  Posted: 7:29 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

Why don't you send your dad an anonymous letter if you're afraid that your parents will "kill the messenger"? At least he'll have been given the information; then, what he chooses to do with it is up to him.

I don't think you should be keeping the secret, but I get why you might not want a face-to-face confrontation. Your mother should have been the one to tell your dad that bit of TT long ago.

(((purplejacket)))


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Two DS and One DD
It matters not how strait the gate,/How charged with punishments the scroll./I am the master of my fate:/I am the captain of my soul.--"Invictus," William Ernest Henley

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betrayedfriend
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Default  Posted: 7:48 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

Pj, I'm sorry you're in this position too, if you need help telling your dad, whether it be anonymously or not, I'm here for you. Your dad deserves the truth though, at least that much is clear for both of you.


I originally joined SI as a way to help my best friends find ways of coping with infidelity, but now infidelity has touched my family much closer to home.

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tushnurse
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Default  Posted: 8:48 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

(((pj)))

Wow what a crappy place to put your kid. Your mom must be some sort of narcissist. That is wrong on so many levels. I would have to say the only resolution for this is to blow this thin wide open and out of the water. Your mom owes your father the truth. I would be tempted to force her hand to tell the truth or to never speak to me again.

I'm sorry for your situation. It is a crappy one for sure.

(((and strength))))


Me: FBS
Him: FWS
Kids: 15 & 17
Married for 22 years now, was 16 at the time. .
D-Day Sept 26 2008
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gonnabe2016
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Default  Posted: 9:14 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

I'm still the secret keeper because I'm afraid what would happen if I gave up the name.

this is actually one of the reasons I stayed 300 miles away from home and never visit there anymore.

Considering that this situation is still ongoing, I really think that you should bite the bullet and tell your dad. This secret (and the continued relationship with your mother) is standing in the way of you having any type of authentic relationship with your dad.....and that is so unfair to BOTH of you. He is being gaslit to high heaven -- you are acting in ways that he truly doesn't understand. If he knew the truth about what was going on, at least he would have an understanding of why you have freaked out or are freaking out over certain things. As it stands right now, you are falling on your sword and allowing him to think you're some kind of nutcase so that you can *protect* everyone.

Not.Your.Job, PJ.
Please don't sacrifice yourself and the relationship that you *could have had* with your father......because of your batshit-crazy bitch mom.

[This message edited by gonnabe2016 at 9:15 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)]


"Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive." - Sir Walter Scott

In my effort to be *concise*, I often come off as blunt and harsh. Sorry, don't mean to be offensive.


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scaredyKat
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Default  Posted: 11:33 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)

I have little advice, only hugs. No idea what I would do in such a situation.

You are such a loving and generous soul. Too bad your parents cannot be recipients of that through their own actions.

I think you should do what you do best, use your gifts to heal your part of the world and detach from toxic people as best you can.

Holding you in the ******LIGHT******

[This message edited by scaredyKat at 11:34 PM, January 21st (Tuesday)]


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Ostrich80
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Default  Posted: 12:30 AM, January 22nd (Wednesday)

Damn, pj44. What a shitty position your mom put you in but, its now your choice as an adult, to stay in that position or step out of it. I just keep thinking how your dad is going to feel knowing he was the last to know. Or maybe he does know? Maybe give your mom a couple of days to shed the light or if she doesn't, then you can. This whole sich just stinks. Sending peace and clarity pj44.


BS..me
WS..him
Been with him over half my life
4kid
DD1 10-01-09 DD2 02-12-12 discovered it never ended
OW..nothing special. Just your average skank
Status..#$%@????

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nekorb
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Default  Posted: 8:39 AM, January 22nd (Wednesday)

I agree. No one is benefitting from you keeping this secret except mom and OM.

It is not your burden to carry.

Tell your dad. He is a grown up. He can handle it. He will deal with it as he wants to.

(((Hugs)))


Me: BS 44; Him: WH 47 aka CAT- colossal asshat; Married 22 years
D-day: July 17, 2013, with TT to follow
D filed July 16, 2014, 363 days later than I should have
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dazdandconfuzed
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Default  Posted: 9:55 AM, January 22nd (Wednesday)

(((pj))) How your mother could do this to you, I will never understand. Living with that for so long must have been/continue to be a horrible burden.


Me - BW
Him - WH

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purplejacket4
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Default  Posted: 11:14 AM, January 22nd (Wednesday)

Thanks for everyone's advice and support.

Interestingly enough way before I knew who the MM was my dad told me he didn't ever want to be told who the AP was. Sigh. That complicates it even more because he truly says he doesn't want to know. However, I also think he thinks the AP was a guy my mom worked with in a bank and no one he knew personally.

Also complicating things is the MM' BS is terminally ill and pleasantly demented. I know you guys mostly will disagree with this but I just can't see doing anything that would disrupt her life. She is one of the sweetest women (was an elementary school teacher in my home town) ever who so never deserved that rat bastard.

Thanks for the hugs!


Me: BS 45
Her: fWS 48 (same sex partner)
Together: 18 years now (both MDs)
OW: meh so what 40s PhD
DD1: 10/30/11EA; DD2: 11/10/11 Had ONS; TT until 12/26/11; broke NC 6/12; NC again 7/12; R-ish

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