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jrc1963
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Default  Posted: 2:34 PM, February 24th (Monday)

For the record I'm not talking about responsible gun owners here!

FWSO was visiting a sick friend (he has cancer) and was having a nice chat in the living room when the friend left the room to retrieve something from his bedroom.

He came back and said he was so proud he wanted to show FWSO something... that something turned out to be a 9mm handgun.

He than showed FWSO how he could pull back the slide to cock the gun... (apparently he hasn't had the strength to do this for a while) at this time FWSO asked him if there was a round in the chamber...

Friend says no... pulls the trigger and BANG!! Put a bullet into the tile floor.

FWSO said he never moved so fast to the door... sprinted to his car and left. He didn't wait for any explanation or apologies or anything. He said he was so mad he was shaking for hours.

He is so mad... I'm not too happy myself.

You hear about these things on the news all the time... "So and So was showing his/her new gun to Such and Such and the gun accidentally discharged and Such and Such was mortally wounded."

Today that could have been FWSO.

Thank God it wasn't.

ETA: FWSO is not a big fan of guns in general and doesn't own them or use them. I grew up in a house with guns and had classes and learned to be responsible and respect them.

[This message edited by jrc1963 at 2:36 PM, February 24th (Monday)]


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tushnurse
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Default  Posted: 2:38 PM, February 24th (Monday)

Jesus pete.
Can anyone tell me what the first rule of firearms is? ? ?

Anyone????

Yes ALWAYS TREAT THE WEAPON LIKE IT IS LOADED, AND ALWAYS KEEP THE MUZZLE POINTED IN A SAFE DIRECTION.....

Second rule ???

YUP Keep your finger off the trigger unless you are certain you are going to fire the weapon.

IT ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE PEOPLE.....

It's idiots like this that give us responsible gun owners a bad bad name.


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jrc1963
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Default  Posted: 2:42 PM, February 24th (Monday)

It's idiots like this that give us responsible gun owners a bad bad name.

Exactly...

This is his 4th accidental discharge in 8 years.


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TrustedHer
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Default  Posted: 4:15 PM, February 24th (Monday)

At my gun club, 1 accidental discharge is an automatic 1 year suspension. 2nd one is a lifetime ban.

Several hundred members, only 2 AD's that I know of. Over 10 years.

4? In 8 years? NOT a responsible gun owner.


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Default  Posted: 4:47 PM, February 24th (Monday)

Exactly tushnurse. Never *ever* assume a gun is not loaded, with the possible exception if the gun has been dismantled. The dude may not have had the clip in and he assumed that since it wasn't it wouldn't fire. Obviously didn't check the chamber.

Hope your SO has calmed down, jrc. Personally, I'd have been shaking for hours after an incident like that.


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TrulyReconciled
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Default  Posted: 4:48 PM, February 24th (Monday)

It's not an accidental discharge.

It's a NEGLIGENT discharge.

This is what happens when you break EVERY one of Cooper's Rules.

RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT


PS - no 'clips' were involved.

[This message edited by TrulyReconciled at 4:50 PM, February 24th (Monday)]


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sisoon
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Default  Posted: 5:06 PM, February 24th (Monday)

I'm very glad he wasn't pointing the weapon at your FWSO.


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GabyBaby
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Default  Posted: 5:23 PM, February 24th (Monday)

Tushnurse nailed it.
What an idjit that "friend" is!


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jrc1963
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Default  Posted: 5:46 PM, February 24th (Monday)

This man is now 73... (age is really irrelevant).

All of his Negligent Discharges have been inside a residence with people present.

One time he shot out the switch on his sister's stove in her kitchen.

This is his third discharge inside his own residence... once in the bedroom closet, once in the ceiling of his living room and now the tile floor.

FWSO said he's never witnessed anything like that in his life and hopes to never see it again.


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GabyBaby
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Default  Posted: 5:48 PM, February 24th (Monday)

Someone should call and report this.
He should clearly NOT have firearms.


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jrc1963
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Default  Posted: 5:59 PM, February 24th (Monday)

Who would you report it too?

I have no experience with this... every gun owner *I* know is responsible!


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GabyBaby
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Default  Posted: 6:02 PM, February 24th (Monday)

Call a non-emergency police number (not 911) and discuss your concerns.
They should go out and make contact. They may even take his guns and place them in "safekeeping". He'd then have to go through the court system to prove he's competent to own a gun.

People who've threatened suicide get their guns taken and have to go through a similar process.

ETA:
It isn't an arrest, so you don't have to worry that he'll have a criminal record. Its more of a public safety thing.

[This message edited by GabyBaby at 6:02 PM, February 24th (Monday)]


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DD(21), DS(18, PDD-NOS)
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WXH (serial cheater, 12+ OW)
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jrc1963
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Default  Posted: 6:05 PM, February 24th (Monday)

As this is FWSO "friend" I'll have to see what he wants to do...


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lynnm1947
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Default  Posted: 8:07 PM, February 24th (Monday)

Oy, this guy is a menace. With friends like that..........

I have a hard time understanding this. I'm Canadian; the only people who have guns are 1) police and military, 2) people who seriously hunt, and 3) a few criminals/gangbangers who buy Saturday Night Specials in the US and smuggle them over the border. This does not translate to many firearms. I do not know anyone who accidentally discharged a gun once--let alone several times. My mind boggles when I hear stories like this. I do not know anyone who owns a gun for personal protection.


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Default  Posted: 8:20 PM, February 24th (Monday)

Most everyone I know has a gun. I know of one accidental discharge 30 years ago. I would never be in this mans home again. Scary!


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ThoughtIKnewYa
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Default  Posted: 8:23 PM, February 24th (Monday)

Interesting you should post this now. I've been struggling with what to do about my NINE year-old next door neighbor who got a shotgun for his birthday. He's out back just slinging that thing around and shooting at I-don't-even-know-what- all unsupervised! And it's clear, from the way he handles it, he hasn't been told how to properly handle a gun and, IMO, is far too immature to be our shooting without a parent there. Someone is going to get hurt and I hope it's not one of us.

I'm sorry your FWSO had that happen. That would have scared the crap out of me!!


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jrc1963
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Default  Posted: 8:48 PM, February 24th (Monday)

TIKY...

You should call child protective services or the police about that nine year old with a gun... God Lord!


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Default  Posted: 7:24 AM, February 25th (Tuesday)

This is his 4th accidental discharge in 8 years.

AYFKM??


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Tred
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Default  Posted: 8:09 AM, February 25th (Tuesday)

One less stupid person with a gun: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/24/michigan-man-shoots-himself-dead-demonstrating-gun-safety/

"A Michigan man killed himself in the course of telling his girlfriend how safe his three handguns were, the Oakland Free Press reported on Monday.

Authorities said the unidentified 36-year-old victim placed two of the handguns to his head and fired to demonstrate that they were safe while unloaded, before fatally shooting himself with the third firearm."


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Default  Posted: 8:43 AM, February 25th (Tuesday)

I have a hard time understanding this. I'm Canadian; the only people who have guns are 1) police and military, 2) people who seriously hunt, and 3) a few criminals/gangbangers who buy Saturday Night Specials in the US and smuggle them over the border. This does not translate to many firearms. I do not know anyone who accidentally discharged a gun once--let alone several times. My mind boggles when I hear stories like this. I do not know anyone who owns a gun for personal protection.

Canada has approximately 31 firearms in private hands for every 100 residents, ranking them 13th out of 178 countries. This is about 10,890,000 firearms, statistically.


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Default  Posted: 10:49 AM, February 25th (Tuesday)

I think there are more guns in Canada bec more people seriously hunt. They are not there because of fear of other people the way they are in the States.

I just read this sad/sorry tragic story today about a man who was demonstrating to his GF that his guns were safe and killed himself by mistake.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/25/man-shoots-himself_n_4853983.html

I think alcohol was involved.


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Default  Posted: 11:00 AM, February 25th (Tuesday)

I live in FL. My experience has been that all the people I know who are gun owners should be banned from getting anywhere near one.

I'm not anti gun, I used to own one for clay pigeon shooting.


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Default  Posted: 11:32 AM, February 25th (Tuesday)

Just a fact-provider here

http://www.nssf.org/PDF/research/IIR_InjuryStatistics2013.pdf

Although I'm sure we all know stupid people.


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Default  Posted: 1:59 PM, February 25th (Tuesday)

Idiots like this shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.
I have guns. EVERYTIME I handle a weapon, I properly clear it first even if I am the only one that has handled it and I KNOW it doesn't have a round chambered in the barrel. My DSSs know proper safety and use of both handguns and rifles.
That guy is lucky your husband didn't call the police on him.

I'm sorry this is the kind of experience your husband will now have to carry with him forever.

ETA: Clearing a weapon properly is the first rule of handling a any weapon EVERYTIME. Always assume it is loaded and NOT on safe.

[This message edited by StillLivin at 2:06 PM, February 25th (Tuesday)]


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Default  Posted: 3:08 PM, February 25th (Tuesday)

The approximately 10 million guns in Canada are about 90 percent rifles and shotguns and only 10 percent handguns. I know lots of hunters, grew up with rifles in our home, but I've never even seen a handgun.

There are approximately 114 million handguns in the USA.

The numbers aren't comparable, no matter the ranking. I get what you are saying, Lynn.


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Default  Posted: 10:37 PM, February 25th (Tuesday)

Jrc, you can call elder services-they have to visit, interview for competency, etc. hopefully they determine that him owning guns makes him dangerous and remove the weapons.


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Default  Posted: 8:13 AM, February 26th (Wednesday)

The approximately 10 million guns in Canada are about 90 percent rifles and shotguns and only 10 percent handguns. I know lots of hunters, grew up with rifles in our home, but I've never even seen a handgun.

Statistically, about 3-4% of households in Canada have a handgun.

No comparison being made - only facts.


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Default  Posted: 2:41 PM, February 26th (Wednesday)

The people who own handguns in Canada are people who use them to shoot at ranges as a sport. Maybe a gun collector or two. Gun collectors would actually skew the guns per capita numbers. Rural areas, everyone has a rifle or shotgun for hunting game, but I'll bet not one has it because of fear of their neighbours. We do not have the right to bear arms in our constitution. It's a privilege not a right.


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Default  Posted: 2:42 PM, February 26th (Wednesday)

I think alcohol was involved.

And I KNOW stupidity was!


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Default  Posted: 4:24 PM, February 26th (Wednesday)

We do not have the right to bear arms in our constitution.

The right isn't granted in the US Constitution either.

Any more than that would stray across the political line ...


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