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deena
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Default  Posted: 9:01 PM, May 9th (Friday)

Sorry gma if this is not appropriate of me doing this.
I just didn't want to take over someone else's post.

Something you said on another post really struck me and bothered me.
It is something that I have been thinking about for a long time now. I thought it was just me that was feeling that way and it was worrying me.
Your response was

I have a very compassionate emotional personality but now I'm guarded and at times jaded. I hate that is who I am now.
Right now I'm OK with it but I hope I'm not for the rest of my life or I feel I will have given up the best part of who I am. I can't let FT take that away from me forever.

I too am not the same "nice" person anymore. I am very jaded. I want to be by myself more and more. I don't trust. I don't feel much love. I don't care about things.I don't feel like being a nice person anymore.
It is worrying me.
I feel like I am losing who I used to be.
I am trying to hang in there, but sometimes I don't know if I will get back even some of who I used to be.

I am impatient.
Going to the lawyer and getting things going legally at last feels so hard emotionally. I feel weak and stuck. and scared.
This in between stage, still living in the same house and trying to stay civil while also trying to stay sane is crazy. Everyone else here has done it and survived...I feel like a weak whiner.
I want to scream at WH for wrecking my life...for being so selfish, immature, controlling and a jerk......and yet I have to stay silent to keep the peace.

DOES any of this make sense?


Relationships are like glass. Sometimes it's
better to leave them broken than to hurt
yourself putting it back together.


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FaithFool
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Default  Posted: 9:06 PM, May 9th (Friday)

Yes.


DDay: June 15, 2008
Mistakenly married Mr. Superfreak
20 years of OWs, WTF?
Divorced Dec 26, 2011
"Life is a shipwreck, but we must not forget
to sing in the lifeboats". -- Voltaire

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LifeIsBroken
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Default  Posted: 9:14 PM, May 9th (Friday)

Totally makes sense. Everything changes, including you.


BW: 59
XH: 60
Married 34 yrs, LIBerated: 2/17/11
MOW: 50 (she said she wanted a sugar daddy; xh said, "I'M HIM!")
Actions ALWAYS have consequences. Too bad cheaters don't consider the consequences BEFORE they create so much damage.

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Default  Posted: 9:19 PM, May 9th (Friday)

Oh sweetie,
I understand. And you would not have high jacked my post.
Remember who you are within. Remember and see yourself. You are feeling the anger and bitterness. If you allow that to take over all the time you will be in that dark place where he wants you and he wins. DON'T let him take you from you.

However what you are feeling is good to help you through this evil shit storm. But know you will be a different person but that doesn't mean you will remain jaded and not nice always. We are nice people with big hearts and compassion. It is there just buried in all the shit your wayward has done.

I go thru this but always have to remind myself not to let him or this take me away from who I am.


I hope this makes sense. I will never let him take me away from me. But I am forever changed... wiser!!

Head high babe! We got us... much love!

[This message edited by Faithful w/Love at 9:34 PM, May 9th (Friday)]


BS(ME)40 WH(HIM)38
DD 20 and DS 15
Separated Aug 2012
Moved back home Oct 31 2013
Separated again June 2014. Heading toward divorce.
False R. Still Lying.

"You never know how strong you are until being strong is all you have left"


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caregiver9000
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Default  Posted: 9:27 PM, May 9th (Friday)

I want to scream at WH for wrecking my life...for being so selfish, immature, controlling and a jerk......and yet I have to stay silent to keep the peace.

It makes perfect sense. My solution was to simply change the very last four words. Nothing else changed!! I want to scream, he is what he is and worse, I stay silent because I choose to. I stay silent because he is not worthy of my breath, my words, my righteous anger. I stay silent because my energy and my voice belong to me and are better spent on me, and mindful things. I stay silent because nothing I say or scream will change him, the past or the future. I stay silent because I am worth the peace in my life that I CAN GIVE TO MYSELF with silence.

I stay silent because simply, he no longer matters enough to speak to or about.

Your feelings matter and are valid. You are still the person you always were. You can be who you desire to be in spite of him and what he did. He has no right to determine who you are now.

Take back your power. You can do it.


Me: 44, independent, happy, despite co-parenting with a lower muppet
FT "Stretch" (and Skew!) ;)
DS 13 DS 10
S 5/2010
D 12/2012

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deena
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Default  Posted: 9:33 PM, May 9th (Friday)

Oh Faithful I do feel I am losing myself in the anger and bitterness.
You response really helped. Especially the "bug heart" part.....it made me smile.

A friend who is worried about me asked to go out together and all I wanted tonight was to have a couple of glasses of wine and go to bed. I did toast to her over a text. And I did suggest lunch and a walk by the river tomorrow which appealed to her.
I love her so much and appreciate her friendship and support but I just feel like being alone so much lately. The frustration of wanting to be away from WH and yet having to wait is so hard.

I liked being the nice person before.


Relationships are like glass. Sometimes it's
better to leave them broken than to hurt
yourself putting it back together.


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deena
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Default  Posted: 9:36 PM, May 9th (Friday)

Caregiver thank you so much for all those good reasons to stay silent

They help so much

I wish I could go to the little padded time out room at work and scream. (I work casual with special needs kids, hence the need for the little padded room, lol)

[This message edited by deena at 9:37 PM, May 9th (Friday)]


Relationships are like glass. Sometimes it's
better to leave them broken than to hurt
yourself putting it back together.


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Default  Posted: 9:43 PM, May 9th (Friday)

Lol, My kindle types it one thing. I went back and corrected it...Lol..but glad it made you smile!

Sweetie, you are a nice person and loving but this makes you want to be alone. Nothing wrong with that. Shit I never go out. I rather sit drink some wine or beer, watch movies or be with my son. Daughter is out on her own so don't see her much. But I prepare that now. And for me, well I learn a lot of who I am now. I love to cook, can, puts around. I love it. WH goes out all the time... .... I don't need to do that. I CHOOSE now what I want to do.

But always remember you are wonderful and you are going thru the emotions. I still do. But again, I will never let him or anyone take my goodness from me. ...and neither will you!

[This message edited by Faithful w/Love at 9:45 PM, May 9th (Friday)]


BS(ME)40 WH(HIM)38
DD 20 and DS 15
Separated Aug 2012
Moved back home Oct 31 2013
Separated again June 2014. Heading toward divorce.
False R. Still Lying.

"You never know how strong you are until being strong is all you have left"


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Default  Posted: 9:47 PM, May 9th (Friday)

Ok...ready to throw the kindle out the window... had to edit again...Damn.


BS(ME)40 WH(HIM)38
DD 20 and DS 15
Separated Aug 2012
Moved back home Oct 31 2013
Separated again June 2014. Heading toward divorce.
False R. Still Lying.

"You never know how strong you are until being strong is all you have left"


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deena
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Default  Posted: 9:55 PM, May 9th (Friday)

Haha. Don't you dare throw out your kindle!!!
I love you and your kindle!! Haha

You both gave me the smile I needed so much today!!

I forgot for a bit about being angry and bitter.

My spelling now getting fixed

[This message edited by deena at 9:57 PM, May 9th (Friday)]


Relationships are like glass. Sometimes it's
better to leave them broken than to hurt
yourself putting it back together.


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Tripletrouble
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Default  Posted: 9:58 PM, May 9th (Friday)

Oh Deena living under the same roof and trying to keep the peace until he moved out felt like this:

Actually there are many things about infidelity that feel like The Scream.

I am also "nice", but I am having the opposite problem. I'm still that person, but I feel dumb about it because I feel like I should know better, like SUCKER is written across my forehead. So don't be too hard on yourself. It's true we are all changed.


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D Day April 2013
Divorced November 2013

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Default  Posted: 10:08 PM, May 9th (Friday)

I won't throw out the kindle...Lol...

See Hon, you have the ones who are bitter the ones who are too nice still and the ones in between all the emotions.

I have been all. Ask anyone here.... always the one to try to forgive and see how we can fix this...yeah right.... It took me moving out the first time yo get a real glimpse of me again. And you will get that also. Now I excited to move again. Just to have peace. Once he is gone you will know what I mean. You will see things differently and when you have peace the anger subsides.


BS(ME)40 WH(HIM)38
DD 20 and DS 15
Separated Aug 2012
Moved back home Oct 31 2013
Separated again June 2014. Heading toward divorce.
False R. Still Lying.

"You never know how strong you are until being strong is all you have left"


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deena
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Default  Posted: 10:09 PM, May 9th (Friday)

Oh thanks for that painting triple

I can actually say I really "feel" a painting very deeply.

I just got another glass of wine. My third. It should put me out. And with all these great responses I may even have a good dream tonight. Or at least go to sleep with a smile.

I do feel like I am abandoning my kids to WH, they are older. But I just can't stand or trust myself around him.


Relationships are like glass. Sometimes it's
better to leave them broken than to hurt
yourself putting it back together.


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deena
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Default  Posted: 10:12 PM, May 9th (Friday)

Faithful I will hold onto your words. I do hope you are right. Oi look forward to feeling peace.

Thank you


Relationships are like glass. Sometimes it's
better to leave them broken than to hurt
yourself putting it back together.


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Default  Posted: 10:12 PM, May 9th (Friday)

I'm on my 4 blue moon....Lol...
I'm with u girl.
Good dreams!!!!!!


Dang kindle...

[This message edited by Faithful w/Love at 10:13 PM, May 9th (Friday)]


BS(ME)40 WH(HIM)38
DD 20 and DS 15
Separated Aug 2012
Moved back home Oct 31 2013
Separated again June 2014. Heading toward divorce.
False R. Still Lying.

"You never know how strong you are until being strong is all you have left"


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deena
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Default  Posted: 10:13 PM, May 9th (Friday)

Sheesh. Oi should have been just I.
I will blame it on the wine


Relationships are like glass. Sometimes it's
better to leave them broken than to hurt
yourself putting it back together.


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deena
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Default  Posted: 10:15 PM, May 9th (Friday)

Faithful....what is a blue moon?
I like the name


Relationships are like glass. Sometimes it's
better to leave them broken than to hurt
yourself putting it back together.


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Default  Posted: 10:15 PM, May 9th (Friday)

You can hold on yo my words....


You will hurt but it is different than having him in your face. You can breath and collect yourself!


BS(ME)40 WH(HIM)38
DD 20 and DS 15
Separated Aug 2012
Moved back home Oct 31 2013
Separated again June 2014. Heading toward divorce.
False R. Still Lying.

"You never know how strong you are until being strong is all you have left"


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Default  Posted: 10:17 PM, May 9th (Friday)

Okay this kindle or my drinking is messing my words..Lol....

Blue moon is a beer and I put orange slices in it. Very yummy.


BS(ME)40 WH(HIM)38
DD 20 and DS 15
Separated Aug 2012
Moved back home Oct 31 2013
Separated again June 2014. Heading toward divorce.
False R. Still Lying.

"You never know how strong you are until being strong is all you have left"


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deena
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Default  Posted: 10:17 PM, May 9th (Friday)

You can breath and collect yourself!

This sounds like heaven


Relationships are like glass. Sometimes it's
better to leave them broken than to hurt
yourself putting it back together.


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deena
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Default  Posted: 10:20 PM, May 9th (Friday)

We'll I am not much of a beer drinker unless it is hot, I have been working hard outside and the beer is cold.
But the orange slices sounds interesting I will have to try that.

And my wine is for sure messing up my typing too.


Relationships are like glass. Sometimes it's
better to leave them broken than to hurt
yourself putting it back together.


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Default  Posted: 10:22 PM, May 9th (Friday)

Oh it is. Then you can do whatever and move past the craziness of it....ponder on it later if you like. Shake your head and be like... whatever..and go about your business again....

I so understand you and what you are going thru. Shit I put myself back here to a false R. Just waiting for July....


BS(ME)40 WH(HIM)38
DD 20 and DS 15
Separated Aug 2012
Moved back home Oct 31 2013
Separated again June 2014. Heading toward divorce.
False R. Still Lying.

"You never know how strong you are until being strong is all you have left"


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Default  Posted: 10:24 PM, May 9th (Friday)

Funny. I like Apple ales and flavor beer. This is a Belgian beer and with organes it is good. I also love sweet red wine....so I go back and forth.


BS(ME)40 WH(HIM)38
DD 20 and DS 15
Separated Aug 2012
Moved back home Oct 31 2013
Separated again June 2014. Heading toward divorce.
False R. Still Lying.

"You never know how strong you are until being strong is all you have left"


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deena
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Default  Posted: 10:27 PM, May 9th (Friday)

Shit I can't imagine going thru this again willingly.
I feel for you

I am looking forward to the feeling of peace finally.

July is going to be better for me too.

I work in the school system and I spend my summer at the cabin. WH rarely comes out there and it is where I can finally relax

We will toast each other in July!!!


Relationships are like glass. Sometimes it's
better to leave them broken than to hurt
yourself putting it back together.


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Default  Posted: 10:31 PM, May 9th (Friday)

My WH works in the school system here. He is a custodian. Makes more than the teachers
His LAT. Was with another co worker. Then I just found out about him trying to hook up with teachers. It is a cross pool of A. He works with all females at the school. They just love him. Matter of fact he is with them all now at a party...


BS(ME)40 WH(HIM)38
DD 20 and DS 15
Separated Aug 2012
Moved back home Oct 31 2013
Separated again June 2014. Heading toward divorce.
False R. Still Lying.

"You never know how strong you are until being strong is all you have left"


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Default  Posted: 10:36 PM, May 9th (Friday)

deena: I am sorry for where you are at right now but I do believe you will heal completely. I would imagine one can become jaded as a natural defense mechanism, after all the traume is severe. You almost have to be deliberate to keep yourself on emotional life supprt until your mind has time to process.

I do think you gain wisdom. Ideally this wisdom will give you a healthy skepticism. Maybe ask better questions, set healthier boundries,tolerate less abuse etc. That is what I hope to gain from this trauma.

I think forgiveness is another path as well. I know this gets mixed reviews but there does come a time after the healing starts when forgiveness needs to be given. Not for the WS but for yourself. So you can free yourself from all the rage and spite the was planted inside by our WS's. I have forgiven my WW. Not because she deserves it. I don;t trust her, still proceeding with D but by forgiving I know I don;t have to carry that burden in my heart. I don;t have let it fester and rot..It has accelerated the healing for me..


I never realized you could be in this much pain and not be dying.

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Sad in AZ
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Default  Posted: 10:44 PM, May 9th (Friday)

Living with the stbx and trying to live a normal life are mutually exclusive. I moved out when he started openly dating the OW; it was too much for me. I wasn't happy immediately because I moved in with my mom but once I got my own place, my life fell together. In the midst of this all, DS got married and we had to play happy family for a weekend. I survived. You will too.


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deena
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Default  Posted: 11:03 PM, May 9th (Friday)

Lol. Faithful I really love your kindle. Lol
Beer and organes. Lol

There is a custodian at the school I usually work at that is a bit flirty. But it creeps me out. My situation I do not go for flirty right now

Justinpaintoday before I was pretending life was ok. Then I had enough and started seeing a lawyer and it brought every thing crashing into reality and it hurt. Now I feel so emotionally crippled and such a wishy washy idiot. I do hope forgiveness can be in my future. That is something I have thought about but never really understood the meaning of. I can't ever forget so how can I truly fully forgive?

Sad. My DD just got married this past August. Listening to the vows was heart breaking. Trying to hold it together after that was hard. But yes I did survive...I do think it is what finally broke me and pushed me to say this is it, I don't want to pretend I am happy in this marriage anymore.


Relationships are like glass. Sometimes it's
better to leave them broken than to hurt
yourself putting it back together.


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Sad in AZ
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Default  Posted: 11:20 PM, May 9th (Friday)

I was ok with the vows; I still believe in them. The officiator/minister was another story. He went into a tirade about divorce--with the X and I sitting right there, front and center. That sucked.

The guests were another story. DS had one of the X's best friends as a groomsman. He & his wife had no idea we were D-the X never told him! When they arrived, the X went off on what a bitch I was for spying on him; his bff said, "Well, she's your wife. She's supposed to do that!" Evidently, it caused quite a rift.


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deena
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Default  Posted: 11:27 PM, May 9th (Friday)

Sad. I believed in the vows it was just hard to realize how much my stbwh didn't. (That is the first time I have put stb in front of WH)
And now how good of a friend is it that your ex ne'er me told him you guys were divorced? Doesn't say much of how good of a friend he is I guess.
And good answer from his friend on the spying from a wife. that turned out great. Did it shut your ex up.


Relationships are like glass. Sometimes it's
better to leave them broken than to hurt
yourself putting it back together.


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deena
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Default  Posted: 11:30 PM, May 9th (Friday)

Wine is kicking in
Thanks to all who responded.
Made my night a whole lot better!

Good night,


Relationships are like glass. Sometimes it's
better to leave them broken than to hurt
yourself putting it back together.


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gma56
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Cool  Posted: 12:02 AM, May 10th (Saturday)

Sorry gma if this is not appropriate of me doing this

No problem ! I completely understand.

I too am not the same "nice" person anymore. I am very jaded. I want to be by myself more and more. I don't trust. I don't feel much love. I don't care about things.I don't feel like being a nice person anymore

We all do change after this crap is over. I am still jaded but it has improved the farther away from the divorce I get.
I have always been a compassionate emotional personality but now I'm more in control, more selective who I give it to, who I trust with my emotions. The people that are deserving of my love and compassion I have selected more carefully.
I don't think all our changes are always a bad thing for us. I said similar in my profile story. I will become less jaded ( I already am after two years of divorce being final).

Living in the same house during divorce or separation is pure hell. The good thing is, it doesn't last forever ! Thank- you God !

Once you are no longer living together, you'll be able to breathe and relax. It's will feel strange after a long time of not being either.
The way you feel right now isn't the way you'll feel in two months, 5 months, one year, five years. It only gets better.

In the mean time. keep busy, explore old interests, new interests, whatever you have to do to survive. You're gonna be OK. You will laugh again, if you are blessed, you will love again, trust the right people again,and you will feel for people that deserve your compassion again.
Hang in there, your doing well under such horrible circumstances.
Big Hugs
Gma


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It's my life now, my choices, my mistakes to make and my victories to celebrate. His choices made me free of liars and betrayers in my life. That is priceless.

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Default  Posted: 7:05 AM, May 10th (Saturday)

It makes perfect sense. As does your bitterness---And any other emotional response you experience.

This is not you forever. Yes, you are changed. You always will be. But that does not mean that your current emotional state is forever. That evolves, too.

The stereotypical divorcee? You know, the bitter one? Yeah, sometimes at the time divorce is filed (or even finalizes) we're that way, and for damn good reason. Most of us end up feeling very differently by the time the ink has had a bit of time to dry.

It does get better--especially if you do not like the changes in yourself. No, you won't be "the same." You wouldn't be after any major life change. But that doesn't have to be an enduringly bad thing.

Signed,

Perhaps (formerly) the bitterest bitch on the planet, who yes--is "different" now, but truly only in good ways


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WH (Trac-fone), 53, PD
2 kids-DD25, DS18
multiple d-days
DIVORCING
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deena
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Default  Posted: 9:21 AM, May 10th (Saturday)

Thanks gma for understanding. It is why I put your name on the title to give you the full credit.
It is something I have been bothered about more and more. Actually it is the biggest reason I decided to finally end the "pretend marriage". I actually was talking to a close friend, about my change, a few weeks ago.
I am just not as good at words as others like you to explain it good. ( hated english, loved math )

Thanks to you too solus, it is good to know that this bitterness won't stay or get worse. I think if I was to stay in this marriage longer I would have turned into the worst kind of bitter person.


Relationships are like glass. Sometimes it's
better to leave them broken than to hurt
yourself putting it back together.


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Default  Posted: 12:40 PM, May 10th (Saturday)

First of all
I want to scream at WH for wrecking my life...for being so selfish, immature, controlling and a jerk......and yet I have to stay silent to keep the peace.
This is what makes you an adult, not a spoiled little toddler. We ALL have these feelings. It's controlling your behavior that is the hard part. So kudos to you for being a mature human being!

Second, (sorry if this is a bit of a t/j) I strongly believe that our culture discourages women from feeling anger. If we are angry, no matter the reason, we are automatically a b!tch. We have to be sweet nurturing little doormats in order to be good wives and mothers. I have struggled a lot with this. My anger turned inward and I ended up in the psych hospital. When we are legitimately enraged, we should be able to express that in a healthy manner instead of being taught to bottle it all up inside

Look at nature. The female is almost always the larger and more dangerous of the species. Everyone knows not to get between a Momma Grizzly Bear and her cub. She can drive off a male twice her size with her ferocity. We should be allowed to be angry when provoked without automatically becoming a 'Preying Mantis' who eats her mate.

Okay, rant over. I feel better now.


Edited to correct stupid typos.

Two steps forward and one step backwards, is still progress.


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deena
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Default  Posted: 4:28 PM, May 10th (Saturday)

HAHA Gemini I love hearing rants like yours. I don't consider anyone TJing on my posts....the more info the better for me to gain insight to others suffering the same way.
Because of my thinking that way I find I have to be very careful not to TJ someone else's post

To be honest when it comes to my kids I can tend to be more aggressive.

But I feel that is part of why I keep my silence now....to keep the kids from feeling even more tension between me and STBXWH. We are still in house S. When we have our own places maybe then I can rip off at him and he can sulk in his own house away from the kids


Relationships are like glass. Sometimes it's
better to leave them broken than to hurt
yourself putting it back together.


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