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 LongDistanceA (original poster new member #20007) posted at 3:20 AM on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008

Early this year, everything seemed fine - no, wonderful.

Then over the past few months WS began raising qualms about our marriage. For example: I don't support her enough, I don't respect her enough, I don't understand her, she and I want different things out of life - all very vague, with only mundane examples of underlying concrete behaviors. I spent months trying to figure it all out, trying to do those things better even though she couldn't really tell me how.

Now it all makes sense; a work friendship had been turning into much more over the course of exactly those few months. WS says that the real problem is still with us and the A is secondary. Whatever.

Is it common for the WS to start making mountains out of molehills with minor problems in their marriage?

Thanks to all for your help and support. I'm so glad I found this forum.

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UR_AN_IDIOT ( member #18764) posted at 3:25 AM on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008

Ummmmm...that would be a big fat yes.

This concept is explained pretty well in the book "Not Just Friends" by Shirley Glass.

It's referred to as "rewriting marital history." WS need to do this sometimes in order to rationalize the A.

My WS says things now that I am like whaaattt?

I highly recommend the book.

Me: BW 56
FWH: 58
Married 33 years
DD 31 DS 28
Reconciled

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bpositive ( member #5981) posted at 3:28 AM on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008

Hi LongDistance.

Welcome to SI - we're sorry that you're here, but so glad that you found us!

If you haven't already - click on the Healing Library over to the left. There are some great articles about the early days of discovery.

It sounds to me that your WS is "rewriting the marital history." This is not uncommon, and is generally a by-product of the whirlwind of their affair. The A often generates more concrete problems than actually existed before. Each situation is different, of course.

Again, welcome. Sending peace.

[This message edited by bpositive at 9:30 PM, June 24th (Tuesday)]

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Mrmojorisin ( member #18861) posted at 3:29 AM on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008

Yup this is very very common. They will blameshift to make the whole thing out to be your fault.

Me: 39 STBXWW: 35 OM: which one?
Kids: SD-17,SD-14,D-14,SD-13,D-4
D-Day #1-12/25/2007 #2-01/28/2008
#3-08/06/08 #4 9/24/08-ONS #5 10/14/08 ONS--Shall I go on?

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aesir ( member #17210) posted at 3:32 AM on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008

Yup

Every third person coming into JFO posts something like this within their first 5 posts would be my guess.

Not only is this common, it is in fact following the script exactly. No doubt she has told you that these things drove her to the A.

I am going to post a followup excerpting from a book for educational purposes only.

[This message edited by aesir at 10:45 PM, June 26th (Thursday)]

Your mileage may vary... in accordance with the prophecy.

Do not back up. Severe tire damage.

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aesir ( member #17210) posted at 3:33 AM on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008

How familiar does this look?

It is one of 7 types of affairs described in an ebook.

#1: My Marriage Made Me Do It

Ask someone why they had, or are having an affair and you may hear something like this: "I have a lousy marriage. My marriage is dead. There is no intimacy, no sex, and no excitement. The love is gone. We've grown apart. I can't stand the marriage. There was nothing happening in the marriage and the affair just happened."

Key Points

1. It's as if a marriage is an animal gone bad. A marriage does not have a life of it's own. In reality, there is no such thing as a "marriage." One is "married" as a result of making some promises and signing a paper.

2.

After the paper is signed, two people continue communicating and acting toward each other in particular ways that they hope will help them get what they individually want.

Just as there is no "marriage," there is no such thing as a "relationship." There are, however, ways of relating for which each person is responsible. Remember the comedian Flip Wilson (that dates me) and his "The devil made me do it" skit?

2. We idealize "marriage" or "romantic relationships" with the expectation that we will get what we want, and without much effort. The movies, popular public press and romance novels/stories don't help much here. A "marriage" is behind the eight ball from the word go. "IT" can't win.

3. From day one most of us don't have a clue about how to get, build, nurture and maintain healthy and intimate ways of relating. We need 'love 101' and it's not there. We rely upon experimentation or bad models.

4. If the "marriage" is dead, why in the world would one choose to have an affair? Talk about jumping from the frying pan into the fire. It really is stupid. You add a whole layer of deceit and shame that eventually will result in consequences more dire than approaching your spouse and saying, "I'm really unhappy. What I'm doing with you obviously is not working. I want out." Oh well, maybe some people need more problems and suffering.

5. If the "marriage" is bad, obviously, I don't have to look at me. I can blame "it" on the other. Some of us find it difficult to look at me. Some of us don't know how to look at me. Some of us never think of looking at me.

Tip: If your partner/spouse is having an affair and blames it on the" marriage," don't buy into it. The "marriage" is not the problem. You are not the problem. Your spouse/partner chose the affair out of ignorance, fear or inadequacy.

Characteristics of the person who says that a bad marriage made me do it

• At one time was clingy and fairly passive in the marriage

• Does not want to take responsibility for his/her behavior

Attaches self to others. Others become the guiding star

• May have bouts of sadness and dejection

• Deep down thinks of self as inadequate and weak Reluctant and seemingly incapable of expressing own desires wants, needs, ideas (doesn't know what they are)

• Can be very generous and has difficulty saying no

• May be naive or Polly Anna like

• More passive, does not like competition

• May be closely attached to parents

• May be overprotected by parents

• May typically express put-downs about self

• Complains. Whines. Things are never right or good enough

• Those who know him/her well will usually be exasperated and frustrated

What can I expect will happen?

1. Expect that your spouse will have a very powerful attachment to the other person. The other person will consistently be on her mind. Your spouse will shift energy away from you, the children, the household and her career to her affair relationship. She will be focused, but not on you.

Your spouse will attempt to push you away by avoiding you, ignoring you, closing off communication or walking away.

2. The affair will most likely be a long-term affair. It will be very difficult for your spouse to walk away from the other person. He may try on a number of occasions but will continue to gravitate back to the other person. He will hold on tenaciously.

This is probably the first or only affair for your spouse. Your spouse is not interested in playing or fooling around but powerfully attaching to the other person. The other person is the savior!

3. Don't believe that the affair was planned before hand because of a bad

marriage. These affairs usually just happen. They usually happen with someone in close proximity: co-worker, neighbor, friend (frequently of friends with whom you socialize), etc.

The other person is usually the aggressor, your spouse lacking the confidence to seek out the affair. The rationale that it happened because of a lousy marriage comes after the affair is in bloom.

4. The more you try to persuade, convince or pursue, the more strongly he will attach to the other person. He will perceive your efforts as weakness and will want to attach more intently to the other person whom he (at perhaps an unconscious level) deems to be the powerful and loving answer-to-all.

5. Efforts to use moral or religious arguments to call a halt to the affair will be strongly resisted. Your spouse is not guided by rightness or wrongness. These standards have not been internalized and do not carry much weight, especially when it comes to the important chunks of her life. The actions and thoughts of your spouse primarily originate from her need to attach to another person. Any behavior or concept that serves the purpose of maintaining the attachment will be valued. Others are discarded.

6. Expect you will spend a significant amount of time and emotional energy in the next 2 to 4 years (especially if there are children) attempting to resolve the relationship. By resolve, I mean, coming to a point where each of you are fairly free of the emotional entanglement that holds you together and generates the pain and fear. It will be important for you to resolve the relationship whether you continue to be married or separate and divorce. Again, if children are present, it is vital, let me repeat, vital, that you and your spouse or ex-spouse come to a working relationship freer of emotional baggage and game playing.

Will they live happily ever after?

This scenario is based on the premise that you, your partner and the other person will continue with the same behavioral and emotional patterns that you are employing and do not consciously make changes in how you think or what you do. (If you begin to change, you may upset the apple cart. But, more on that later.)

This kind of affair often ends in your divorce with your spouse continuing the affair and frequently marrying the other person. Eventually that relationship will recycle through the dynamics listed above.

The affair relationship will run a predictable course. Most likely, a very similar dynamic was at play in the beginning of your relationship with your spouse. She

leaned on you, perhaps clutched tightly.

You carried the strength, the lead. She adored and worshiped you and guided her life by your every action.

As the relationship developed, she began to perceive your strength as stifling control. Her negative behavior became more and more pronounced.

Her reactivity and increased devaluation of your strength became puzzling. You really hadn't changed. You still continued to be the same person with the same strengths and cared for her, provided stability for her and assumed that same old role with your dogged persistence.

The emotional and physical distance between the two of you increased. This did not happen suddenly but developed over the course of years.

The affair relationship will most likely follow the same course. So, months or perhaps years down the road, your spouse will experience the same impasse with the other person as he did with you.

If he (or the other person) chooses not to intentionally reflect on his marriage and the new relationship; if he chooses to forgo therapy or some other formal educative process, it's almost as predictable as paying taxes that he (they) will recycle the same issues.

Wish them well!

Your mileage may vary... in accordance with the prophecy.

Do not back up. Severe tire damage.

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anniegirl1 ( member #19988) posted at 3:50 AM on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008

Yep,Just went thru this last night when I found out that EA lasted longer than I thought.I didn't listen to him.No one in the house listens to him so he has to yell. I didn't pay attention to him. He works all the time & I'm lazy...I just stay at home work once a wk for elderly lady..do clowning p/t for Bday parties...volunteer @ daughters school at least 2 days a week helping with 3 classes... I just think that he makes the $$$ & we never have any. I (I guess,with no help from him, LOL) charge things on the cc's...Did I leave anything out??!! That's why he needed a "friend" with a womans prospective to see why (I) acted the way I did & they just talked. Yeah,ok....whatever...He's right & I'm wrong....I'm Always wrong! BUT NOT ANYMORE! He is just an insecure man who needed someone to stroke his ego. I was more than willing if he would have just talked!!!

Me-BS 45 2nd M,
Him-WH 39 CITY DICK 1st M 2+yr.EA/PPA
1st WS Slept with
all of NORfOLK VA
Thank GOD in Live in
Virginia Beach :-}


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 LongDistanceA (original poster new member #20007) posted at 3:54 AM on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008

You folks are all amazing - thanks so much for all the great responses in such a short time. This will really help me sleep tonight.

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socold ( member #17400) posted at 4:08 AM on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008

Welcome sir, you are in good company here. I would like to second the book recommendation made above. Not Just Friends is an amazing book that really got me thinking on the right track about all of this. Keep posting there's a lot of great support here.

((LDA))

(me)fBH 35
D-Day Dec 9, 2007
D final Oct 19th 2010

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LadyOfSorrows ( member #19194) posted at 7:34 AM on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008

Is it common for the WS to start making mountains out of molehills with minor problems in their marriage?

This is so true...During my H's A (which I didn't know about at the time) he was always moody, distant, didn't seem to care about me anymore, he was "out of town for work" in PA with her! During this time, I spent a lot of time with my Best friend, hey he wasn't around? He went to the extent of thinking we were lesbians because we spent so much time together and are so close! We'd go to a concert together and stay overnight...yeah, my friend and I would sleep in the same bed, but come on, we're girls!!! Ever hear of sleepovers??? So, yeah, that was his big thing...thinking I'm a lesbian. I guess he thought his thinking that made his A okay.

BS (me): 37
WH: 39
D-Day: 3/25/08
D-Day #2: 2/28/10...he saw her twice as he just "had to see to know."
5/17/10: he left me and we separated
9/21/10: Divorced
10/10: started dating ssomeone new
8/12: found out he had another family in

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SerJR ( member #14993) posted at 12:17 PM on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008

LDA,

Yeppers, my friend.

The perceived problems of the marriage really begin once the outside relationship develops. This happens for two reasons:

i) Energy and focus that should have been directed to the marriage is diverted elsewhere. The marriage really does start to suffer. Remember, the quality of a marriage is only a function of what is put into it. If one partner does not feel invested in it, their perception of the marriage will change.

ii) What she has done (affair) conflicts with her core values and beliefs. Everybody likes to believe that they are a good person. Most people equate good person with doing good things and draw the conclusion that a good person therefore does not do bad things. Since we are so desperate to hold onto the value of our identity when we do something that conflicts with this we begin to avoid dealing with reality. Instead of solving the problem, we alter our perception of reality to justify what we have done. This irrationality leads the WS to believe that the marriage was already dead or that the OP was their true soul mate or whatever will fit in with their value system.

Often, a WS will speak in those vague generalities. These types of cliches are undetailed enough that minimal effort is required to keep up the facade, plus an uninquisitive mind will readily accept that explanation because it sounds good.

So was the marriage bad? Probably not, but her working against it did not make it better.

Me: BH - Happily remarried.
Hope is never lost. It exists within you - it is real. It is not a force in and of itself - it is something that you create with every thought, action, and choice you make. It is a gift that you create for yourself.

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Basic_Guy ( member #4396) posted at 12:34 PM on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008

Welcome to SI..you have found friends that care about you.....

Courage does not always come with blinding flashes of light....sometimes you only notice it after it passes...

My patron saint is a-fighting with a ghost
He's always off somewhere when I need him most.

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wifehad5 ( Administrator #15162) posted at 1:25 PM on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008

Welcome LongDistance,

I can't add anything to what has already been said, but wanted to welcome you

FBH - 52 FWW - 53 (BrokenRoad)2 kids 17 & 22The people you do your life with shape the life you live

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craig2001 ( member #55) posted at 2:18 PM on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008

Yes it is common, for all the reasons stated here, but also to justify her A,

She is lying to herself, she is lying to you so she can justify the wrongful affair and make it all right and justified.

Ask her how wonderful this OM would be and supportive of her if she was contstantly lying to his face and bullcrapping him all the time.

Yea, I really wonder just how wonderful this OM would be, I wonder how muc support he would then give her, I wonder how long he would be telling her all the wonderful things about her if she was treating him like crap.

She had the choice of talk to YOU about her feelings before having an A. Period and she didnt, there is no damn excuse like this for having an affair.

The OM is a piece of garbage for doing anything with a married woman, would any decent so called wonderful guy ever do that....NO.

Its also time she stops her lying to herself and quits this job.

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AFguy ( member #19822) posted at 2:48 PM on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008

Same pattern here.

Aesir:

What was that ebook because that just described my stbxw to a T! Holy cow, how did I live with that woman for this long????

BS Me 36
WS Her 35 Now XW!
Together 16yrs Married 8
No kids thank God, just great dogs.
D-Day 6/25/08 8:06pm.D 7/18/08
I'm way too damn good for her. She will really, really regret this one day.
People should come with warning lables.

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SerJR ( member #14993) posted at 2:51 PM on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008

Break Free From the Affair

By Dr. Robert Huizenga

[This message edited by SerJR at 8:51 AM, June 25th (Wednesday)]

Me: BH - Happily remarried.
Hope is never lost. It exists within you - it is real. It is not a force in and of itself - it is something that you create with every thought, action, and choice you make. It is a gift that you create for yourself.

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miss mel ( member #1554) posted at 3:36 PM on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008

She is lying to herself, she is lying to you so she can justify the wrongful affair and make it all right and justified.

This is dead on. Every lie he told OW made her come on stronger...she placed him on a pedastal and he loved the attention.

Me - BS 48
Him - WS 51
DS - 23 and 20
Married 20 years
Dday - 2/7/07 (yet another one)
Trying to Reconcile...
7/28/09 Found incriminating stuff on Facebook and I also found his new "secret" cell phone. Heading down a familiar road...

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roccodom ( member #19714) posted at 4:26 PM on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008

SerJR

You are absolutely correct in the rewriting of history.

My WS has started IC - and the counselor told him - the marriage was broken therefore everyone starts from square one. He's blowing smoke up her ass. I know when he started flirting with the OP he liked it - so he looked at our M and started to think he wanted out. So all his work with this counselor in my mind is bullshit. He just can't and won't be truthful with her. He read the "Emotionally Unvailable Man" and thinks it is absolutely him - has not brought it up with his counselor. Prior to affair he spent 4 months looking a porn every night and masturbating - he has not brought this up with his counselor.

It is bullshit.

BS - me (45) WS - him (45)
married 16 yrs (DS 11yrs, DD 9yrs)
#1 PA - DDay 12/97
#2 PA DDay 5/08
#3 PA DDay 2/12
Trying R
Buddhism teaches that a craving for things outside ourselves causes an unhappy and pointless search for security.

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wannabenormal ( member #19772) posted at 5:46 PM on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008

My WS is still rewriting history - at first it was a few months that things were 'bad' (coincidentally around the time he first met OW), now it's been bad for a long time...I'm sure next I'll hear that we shouldn't have ever gotten married.



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Pippy ( member #16482) posted at 6:49 PM on Wednesday, June 25th, 2008

You have received lots of good advice already here so just want to say welcome. Hugs.

I divorced him because I didn't like his girlfriend.


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