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How do you know if it is worth it?

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 jayded (original poster new member #36736) posted at 2:18 PM on Monday, May 6th, 2013

It has been only 10 months since dday..but I am just wondering if all this pain and suffering is worth it in the end? The pain has not lessened at all over time, and I find that I feel like I will never trust my WH again. I second guess everything that he tells me. I check up on everything he does..emails...texts... everything! It is exhausting. I don't want to have to live my life in constant worry that the man that I love so dearly and wanted to spend the rest of my life with could possibly cause me this pain again. He has done everything to try to get me to trust him and believe in him again. He uses words and actions to show how much he loves me... but then again he always did.. and still cheated. I have had anxiety issues on and off for about 14 years now..usually when I am under stress. But right now my anxiety is through the roof.. I have made 4 trips to the ER in the past 10 months.. I simply cannot go through one day without some sort of anxiety related issue. It is getting exhausting and is totally affecting how I live my life. I am a stay at home mom. I figured that maybe if I found a job, that it would help.. nope...I did find a job and that lasted ONE day and I had to quit. The anxiety it caused was unbearable. I just kept thinking about how if I am working then that would give him more of an opportunity to cheat again! I feel like I have lost total control of my life and that really pisses me off. What he did really pisses me off. How can one person do that to someone they supposedly love so much? I am sorry that I am ranting here. I just want to know if it is ever possible to really know that it is no longer worth fighting for? Any insight would be absolutely wonderful!

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westerly ( member #34280) posted at 2:39 PM on Monday, May 6th, 2013

I found that my WW had earned my trust after about 14 months, and I started easing off the checkups, doing so only when I was feeling down or vulnerable. I don't think this is something that you can hurry, and I wouldn't. As a fellow anxiety sufferer, my own opinion is that the last thing you need is to pressure yourself more.

Are you getting treatment and taking daily walks for your anxiety? It really helps.

me- 39, American (BS)
her- 45, South American (WS)
1 child (my stepson)
EA discovered 3/10
D-day (PA discovered) 8/11
D-day II, April 8, 2013 (while overseas w/family)
Attempting R, despite relapse.

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GraceisGood ( member #17686) posted at 2:44 PM on Monday, May 6th, 2013

((((Jayded))))

You are still in the processing stage. So it is good you are questioning as you are, those questions help the processing, help you to sort it all out in your mind and then eventually what you sort out moves to your heart and you will then feel peace whether you stay or go.

The thing is, we never know if ANYTHING is worth it really right? I could D and then find someone else, try to do it all right and still be cheated on again right? I can stay and he could do it again after another 20 years right? There are no guarantees, no specific path to take to be protected in this manner other than to isolate IMO.

RE the stress. Since you have been dealing with anxiety for so long I am guessing you are in IC and have support, if not, I would suggest it, we all need support in life, and right now you are at a critical time IMO as we all are in the beginning.

Everyone needs a break in life, we cannot keep going on under such amounts of stress, is there any way you can give yourself a "break", find something you can do that refreshes yourself, run, paint, visit the elderly, bingo, etc.? Right now you are your best advocate for your health and sanity, what would you suggest if you were on the outside looking in to yourself?

All of the questions you listed have answers, the tough part is finding those for yourself in a way that satisfies YOU.

Grace

We have a tendency to think the love offered us is a reflection of our worth and value.But in actuality,it's a reflection of the person that is giving it.We love out of who WE are-not because of who the receiver is.At least in terms of real love.TSMF

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 jayded (original poster new member #36736) posted at 3:57 PM on Monday, May 6th, 2013

Thanks so much for the responses. I am not in IC yet. I did not have insurance in the past..I now do and am looking into counseling. I know that I can no longer do this on my own. It just really sucks..I want my life back, and I know that I am the only one who can make that happen, it is just so damn hard :(. I want to be able to trust again...I want to have what I thought we did have. I just am not sure that it is going to be possible :(. Thanks again for the responses, I greatly appreciate any insight I can get!

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BeautifulEmpty ( member #38763) posted at 5:06 AM on Tuesday, May 7th, 2013

All I can tell you is from my own tainted experiences and ideas but try to break things down as simply as you can...the truth is, no matter who the other person is, we never really know what they are or aren't doing. This is because they are not us. The only people we can truly know what they are doing is...US. Ourselves. We can only change ourselves. We can only know the truth about ourselves.

There are many exercises designed to help couples rebuild trust but the fact remains: we never actually know...so therein lies the next step: if we choose to be with our partners who have conclusively shown themselves as untrustworthy, then we must let MANY things go. For real.

As our partners do their part to rebuild trust and show remorse, we are forced to take a journey as well. One that involves understanding codependency, boundaries and the difference between feeling like we have trust and a tight relationship based on how we feel about the other person, rather than the truth of the matter...that people screw up, cheat, make mistakes and do horrible things to loved ones and many people either don't know what they will do until they run into it or they have poor boundaries, often because they never really understood they needed them or never thought about it.

All kinds of crap happens for all kinds of reasons. My point is...it's more about what you choose to do with things.

Example: I used to give my husband no verbal, clear expectations because I thought we were on the same page. I thought we had the same goals, dreams and love. i learned rather quickly that not only were we not on the same page, through time, we weren't even in the same book.

After a long separation, I gave him clear expectations. Not many but clear ones...you know what? He did whatever he wanted and it culminated in the worst debacle to date and trust me, there have been many.

This (last) time around, I make NO demands. I let him know my feelings about specific things and we talk a lot. Here's the difference: I have told him that now he knows what I want and don't want, I make no demands but if he wants to be in my life and live with his children, our ridiculous pets, and be a part of our artistic, crazy, close family...he will make the effort and we will accept absolutely nothing less. I tell him 'you do whatever you want to do' because my demands never mattered. What mattered was me being willing to lose him, telling him to go and walking away.

I don't know, if after all the years, it will be worth it. Our MC asks me why am I still with him and honestly, I'm still working out those details and I'm still suffering bouts of rage beyond comprehension. I think to myself 'after you've wasted so much of my life on other women...so much of our kids time...why AM I still here? I'll get you to myself as an old, fat man who's not taken care of your body after you wasted your good, strong, sexy years trying to make every woman love you.' And it hurts. But then the sun comes shining through and I still love him, even in this journey where I also hate him.

So...I am rambling and long winded and possibly make little sense but I'm trying to say... I don't know if its worth it but I value marriage as something not expected to be easy so it holds me longer than it might someone else and that maybe trying NOT to patrol him but let him show YOU what he is or isn't doing. And understand that we never really do know...with anyone...really hanging on to this idea can be at least somewhat liberating in regards to feeling like you need to patrol.

I'm no MC but for my husband, putting the reigns of his behavior in his own hands with the understanding that I wouldn't tolerate certain behaviors seems to have helped a lot. He can *do* whatever he wants...anything! But it doesn't mean I'll still be waiting for him when he's done. Consequences exist.

If none of that is helpful, please at least accept a cyber hug from a girl who hates hugging :)

Me: 44 BS
Him: 40 FWS
Ow: 47 head case, no obs
5 DD's: 23, 20, 19, 17, 12
Last D-day: August 2012 with lots of very blurry lines.

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crazyblindsided ( member #35215) posted at 9:18 PM on Tuesday, May 7th, 2013

BeautifulEmpty what a fantastic post!

the truth is, no matter who the other person is, we never really know what they are or aren't doing. This is because they are not us. The only people we can truly know what they are doing is...US. Ourselves. We can only change ourselves. We can only know the truth about ourselves.

It is this ^^^ that set me free.

fBS/fWS(me):52 Mad-hattered after DD (2008)
XWS:55 Serial Cheater, Diagnosed NPD
DD(22) DS(19)
XWS cheated the entire M spanning 19 years
Discovered D-Days 2006,2008,2012, False R 2014
Separated 9/2019; Divorced 8/2024

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Theradin ( member #38518) posted at 10:40 PM on Tuesday, May 7th, 2013

While I 100% agree with what others have replied with, instead of simply repeating the same thing (which I am inclined to do in this thread because I totally feel the same), I'll offer another perspective that is equally worth exploring and considering.

There truly is a such thing "unsafe people". There are those people out there that may do and say everything you want to feel and hear, but then masterfully deceive you. Sometimes it's in the way of an A, or maybe pilfering from your retirement to gamble, or maybe it's tax fraud that can wind up costing you your family house! Some of these people are narcissists, and others are just simply "broken".

Since you are feeling so confused and your gut is telling you something, you should really listen to it. If for no other reason than to prove yourself wrong. Really try to explore his past behaviors, his behaviors interacting with other people, his sense of personal integrity, honesty, etc., with things OTHER than the A. You can tell a LOT about people by the way they conduct themselves in life, by who they value and spend time with, and of course, by the way they treat you.

If you aren't feeling even SLIGHTLY better after all this time, that is a huge flag (my IC indicated that you should have a slow, but gradual INCREASE in positive feelings about the M and your WS). Think of it as two steps forward, one step back. If you take two steps forward, but then take 2-3 steps back, something might be wrong, and it would behoove you to look a little deeper at this man you love. After all, you may have been overlooking signs of serious issues for many years, even with things unrelated to the A.

Best of luck.

BH (me): 35
WW: 34
1 kid (7 y/o)
multiple affairs spanning our entire 11-year marriage
multiple d-days over the last 3 years (most recently: 1/3/2016)
divorced and finally released from this prison: 2/26/2016

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Spelljean ( member #35624) posted at 12:12 AM on Wednesday, May 8th, 2013

Yes, what Beautifulempty said about knowing your own truth, is something that has pretty much saved my sanity. I take solace in that and it gives me strength to know that there is actually one person I can fully know, and that is ME.

And, what's more, I have control over that person as well. I choose my life, my thoughts and my passions.

I fully accept now that I cannot follow my WH through every step of his life and I don't want to. So, I will live my life, and HE will wonder what I'M doing no doubt, in time. Which is also of no consequence to me.

WH: 41
me: BS, 45
Together 18 1/2 years, married 17
DDAY 8/2/12
OW: EA- friend of 4 months
Status: separated

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melamber ( member #38591) posted at 10:57 AM on Wednesday, May 8th, 2013

(((jayded))) you've hit the nail on the head for me. What you've written could of easily been me.

Its been since d-day and like you my WH uses words and actions to show how much he loves me. I also a stay at home mum and suffer with anxiety. Reading this was like "looking in a mirror". I'm also at a stage where I feel this is how my marriage is going to be, and can i really stay in it even though we are suppose to be in R.

D-DAY -22ND OCT 2012
MARRIED 9YRS
ME-33YRS
WH-35YRS
KIDS-THREE -9,7 AND 3
STATUS- ?

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 jayded (original poster new member #36736) posted at 12:06 PM on Wednesday, May 8th, 2013

Thanks so much for all the replies. All of your words mean so much to me and helps me greatly. I do know that the only person that I truly know is myself..it just really sucks when the person you thought you knew so well..the one you trusted more than anything could betray you in such a horrible way. I am just at the point where I do not know if I am willing to put any trust back into our marriage. I don't know if I am willing to give this man another chance at breaking my heart again. I hope in time and with some IC I can figure that out. Thanks again for all your posts!!

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