It's always made me feel really stupid, but if I don't have a frame of reference for what is being discussed I simply can not keep up. And then I give up because who the heck wants to take notes to read a book for leisure?
Anyway, just a silly observation. I am glad I saw the tv series first because I can follow who is who and how they are related. This only seems to happen to me with the fantasy genre. It's irritating. I do not have this problem with an epic novel about families in Europe or a war saga, just when every name and place is something I have never heard before.
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"But you said your vows, and you closed the door
On so many men who would have loved you
Well, it doesn't help that the author has writing ADD and drops one thread to run after a bright shiny thread somewhere else. By the time you get back to the first thread you forget who they were. He tries to cram too many storylines in.
Yes! Even watching the show I am constantly thinking "Ok, where are we going with this?" and .."Exactly how many people are going to go after this throne because it's getting confusing"
Don't get me wrong.. I LOVE it but there is so much to follow
I have the "what the heck is going ON" problem a lot with complicated plots, especially in books. It does help with this one to read along with the show. Therefore, I won't start book 3 until next year when they start Season 3.
I can't get over how a character can seem so important to the story, and then the next thing you know, they are dead.
I think that they spent their budget for actors you recognize on characters that would not be around for very long just so that fans would tune in and get hooked on the show. I kinda did that based on Sean Bean because I used to watch all of the Sharpes mini series, and was pleased to see the guy from Stargate Atlantis who also played Conan. Both dead now. The creepy twin brother also seemed like an important character, and then almost at random they dumped molten gold over his head and killed him.
It does add more suspense to the show when you really don't know if the hero is going to survive, but I also wonder if the author didn't just get tired of writing some characters.
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That's exactly my favorite thing about fantasy books...getting completely self absorbed on a different reality Right now, I'm reading Anathem
Game of Thrones doesn't work like that so much. You have JOHN SNOW, then he's not important anymore. Then the Fat Kid. Ugly Knight Chick. They all do Important Things I Forgot but it's okay because by the time there are so many characters you wish he'd actually kill off more of them, they're all irrelevant because we're reading about some pedophile Gengis Khan screwing a 14 year old who turns into a dragon or something and.. what? Icewall? Oh yeah. There's a big fight. Fat kid and John Snow are back! But they aren't that important. Then there's some dwarf, who watched some incest, that led to a kid getting thrown out a window but saved by robot trolls who was subsequently raised by Hulderfolk in the Canary Islands, and he turned into a tree.
So Game of Thrones is more for people who just want a REALLY LONG bunch of books with lots of gratuitous sex and violence.
Also, aesir is dead on. It's why Asimov is such a great writer, even though his characters suck unless they're robots. His dialogue is terrible, his characters are so wooden cats try to crawl into the books to use them as scratching posts but he came up with the ideas of the laws of robotics and Positronic Brains and the stories were awesome because they made you think about how cool that shit is, instead of how amazing it is that George Lucas didn't write the worst character dialogue in sci-fi/fantasy.
I like the journey as much ss anyone but damn dude..... lets do something g with those shiny dragons already.
I like the show too. I like the kick ass ladies. I am sure I will buy the next book---- but if I will whine my butt off if he pulls 2 more 1000 page books that each cover half the characters in the same time period.
My BF just laughs. He always seems know know who I am talking about.
And I want to strangle Joeffry with my bare hands .. the insipid little fucktard.
He just gets better and better that one does
Maybe if I had read GoT it would be easier. But now that I am all into the show I kinda don't want spoilers. (my BF refuses to even give me tiny hints on what happens next)
I think this explains my long held animosity toward Sansa's characterization. She's 11, for god's sake, and her inner monologue about all that Hound shit is like she's a 44-yo divorcee. Creepers gonna creep, it's not that I don't get that, but the creepee is not going to have the same perspective on the creeping at 11 that she'll have 30 years later. And Sansa was sheltered. Daenerys, I wasn't thrilled with her being 13, but at least she'd been through the shit, probably exposed to many unfortunate things, obviously would've been raped many times over by Viserys if Viserys hadn't needed to trade her hymen, and also she's magical and shit. So I can write that off. At least she'd started her period already, kwim? But Sansa...no. In retrospect, I'm not sure that it is a problem with Sansa's voice, though. I think it's a general problem with voice, and I was only sensitive to it with Sansa because of her being an *eleven year old girl* being creeped on by *old dudes*.
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In fact it was one of the first things I said to Dh while reading "What do you mean she's 13!!??"
Though they are obviously young in the show, you don't get the sense that they are as young as they are in the books.
It goes for all the Stark kids. I mean, Robb's *fourteen*, but that's more a Marty Stu issue. Quite a commander you are there, Robb, imagine how much better you'll be once you're old enough to get your learner's permit. Now, the fact that the character is fourteen in the books doesn't stop me from perving on series Robb, who is played by a 25/26-yo, and I don't have a problem with series Daenerys, who is the same age. Excellent choices. Sansa though...that actress is only one year older than the actress playing Arya, so that's just compounding the issue. I really don't know how I'm going to deal with Littlefinger perving at her too, ugh. Those girls are 14/15. No no no.
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