I understand it as a concept when it is work. People have different jobs, people specialise in things, people don't have bandwidth to do everything and do it well. Admin people should do admin work, execs should do exec work, program staff should focus on their own programs, etc.
Where it bothers me is when people do things like spill water on the floor at the water machine and don't clean it up, or overflow the coffee maker and leave a puddle leaking everywhere, or take the last doughnut and leave the empty box sitting there when the trash bin is three feet away.
When I use the kitchen, I tend to wipe down the counter, since it's generally covered in water, coffee, sugar, salt, crumbs around the toaster, etc. I have sixty seconds while the coffee machine brews my espresso, might as well just wipe things down.
Three years ago, I started here in an admin job. I have since grown the position to be one of substantive work. I like the work, not overly fond of the company though. The only other people who I've ever seen wipe down the counters are two admin women who are close to retirement, and have been doing admin jobs their entire lives.
The other day, I was wiping up someone else's spilled coffee when another person on my same "level" walked by, and admonished me not to clean the counter. According to him, doing so shows a lack of ambition and will pigeonhole me into being a low level employee forever. According to him, it's a akin to "dress for the job you want" - execs don't wipe up spills.
W. T. F. Is being a dick really necessary to advance?! Has anyone else encountered this attitude? Am I being naive to think that by making the office a slightly less gross place to work, I will make a favorable impression (not to mention just being a decent human being), rather than digging myself a shallow grave?
NO ONE in this medical building is capable of putting a rep lunch away or wiping the counters/tables or doing the dishes.
We have one doc that actually spills/drops food all over the place and STEPS OVER it. He also will put his plates next to the bin but not in.
We think his wife follows him around at home with a mop/broom/vacuum/laundry hamper.
He has said and I'm quoting literally "My job is saving lives not cleaning up messes"
Well, my job is drawing blood and sending it off to the lab properly handled and labeled. Not cleaning up messes.
Yet, I clean.
Being a dick, I hope, is NOT a requirement for success.
From one counter cleaner, to another, thank you for not being a pig.
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I always try to chat with our admin people, maybe bring a small gift when I come back from a conference (like $1-$2 small). I know I get various special privileges because the admins have my back, and my paperwork magically makes it through the system while others are waiting.
I think your co-worker has a rather narrow view of how things work. No, he shouldn't be neglecting his job to go unplug the bathroom drains, but he also doesn't need to be seen throwing his paper towel on the floor instead of in the bin.
I know my H has been able to solve a lot of problems for his department because he has always kept good relations with the operations staff and the janitorial staff. People think he is the amazing problem solver and he looks good. His secret is pretty much not to be a dick to people whose help you might need. It's not his job to do anything related to the facility, but when he was able to solve the A/C problem with one phone call, everyone thought he was a wiz with amazing pull.
I'm a mid-level manager, and I wipe down the counters when I'm in the break room and even clean up spills on the floor so no one slips on them. And there are directors in there all the time doing the same thing.
If I saw a VP doing it, I might be surprised, simply because the VPs never go in the break room - they send their admins instead.
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The other day someone spilled orange juice at work on the counter, and then just left it there. Seriously?
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Everything is everyone's job. In fact, were anyone to mutter those words it would get around pretty fast.
I'm a Director - and I clean up the breakroom, have wiped up spills, scrubbed a coffee stain out of the carpet, and even picked up the errant paper towel off the ladies room floor.
"Not my job"....pfffft.
We spend more time in the office with each other than at home with our loved ones. The least we can do is be clean and respectful.
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My much-complained-about cube neighbor is actually one of the worst offenders. For an extremely detail oriented person, she's pretty oblivious. I have seen her grab her cup of coffee so that coffee sloshes over the side and hurry away - and when I comment, "I'll go ahead and wipe that up for you" or something, she gets all "wipe what up?" I also watched her take the last doughnut (after walking over, saying, "Oh, are you going to get a doughnut?" to which I answered, "Probably" since I have no self control and then when there was only one left in the box she took it while I watched, then said, "I guess there are none left"), put the lid back on the box, and walked away. I was like, "If that's empty, aren't you going to throw it away?" Her response? "Oh no, I don't throw things away. Even at home, it always drove my mom nuts, because I'd put the empty milk carton back in the fridge."
A coffee princess would never dream of making another pot. The world was placed to serve her. Let someone else do it. She'll just fill up her cup and leave 1/2 inch in the bottom of the pot. The thing is, her co-workers know who does this and have talked to her. But to no avail. I don't know who it is. They won't tell me because they know I'll catch her and light into her!
There is magical thinking going on, also. Fairies fill up the containers of forks, spoons, etc. Fairies clean their crumbs out of the toaster and burnt on food from the toaster oven. Yep. Nice! I always wonder what the homes of these people look like.
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The only thing that gets to me is when one of the girls pees all over the toilet seat and doesn't clean it up. That is just nasty. Plus we have those paper toilet seat covers you can use. Regardless, I have having to inspect the toilet stall before using it!
The building has a cleaning crew that comes through at 8pm every night, but if everyone left every mess in the kitchen until then...
The building has a cleaning crew that comes through at 8pm every night
And the cleaning crew in my office absolutely does not do dishes. They do wipe down counters and mop the floor, but that is the end of their responsibilities.
But seriously, if someone in my office consistently left dirty dishes in the sink, they would one day find they dirty dishes on their desk because the rest of us would get pissed. If they constantly made a mess when they were getting coffee then eventually someone would call them out on it because the rest of us would get pissed. We are engineers, not maids and not pigs.
ETA: When I worked in the nonprofit, one of the other directors posted a sign in the kitchen that anything left in the sink at the end of the day or in the fridge at the end of the week would be thrown away--and she did it. It could have been someone's silver tea set--if it was in the sink or the fridge, it went in the garbage.
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