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Why Trickle Truth? Any WS want to answer?

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 neverendinghurt (original poster member #15859) posted at 8:37 PM on Wednesday, April 13th, 2011

Trickle Truth and lies do so much harm after Dday, in some ways, more harm than the infidelity itself.

So why trickle truth?

I know that my H lied and TT'd because he couldn't face the man in the mirror with the truth. In part it was because he didn't want to hurt me, but even that was so he didn't have to see the hurt and feel my pain. If he didn't admit to something, he could continue to pretend to himself that it hadn't happened.

Trickle truth and lies help no one.

The only way through this is to face the truth and deal with it.

So why do you TT and lie?

ETA: This is for general discussion and not specific to me

[This message edited by neverendinghurt at 2:38 PM, April 13th (Wednesday)]

The life of every man is a diary in which he means to write one story, and writes another; and his humblest hour is when he compares the volume as it is with what he vowed to make it.
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ArialRose ( member #24735) posted at 8:38 PM on Wednesday, April 13th, 2011

Great question!

ArialRose-BS
in our 40's
M 28 years, together 30 years
3 DSs (adult)
D-Day: 3/23/09, Major TT 2/10/10 5/24/10,10/30/10, & 12/12/10.
Inappropriate online conversations on my part- 10/2011

FOR FUCKS SAKE!

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hopebabyhope ( member #25481) posted at 8:39 PM on Wednesday, April 13th, 2011

I'd love to hear this too. My FWH says he feared it was too big, and I would be gone and we would never recover. Now he knows just how damaging TT is.

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Hurtsobad1963 ( member #31139) posted at 8:41 PM on Wednesday, April 13th, 2011

Great question, I would love to hear answers from WS. My hubby, lied to me and withheld information from me for two years.

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getting real ( member #28912) posted at 8:43 PM on Wednesday, April 13th, 2011

For me, it was:

*intense shame

*fear & desire for "damage control"

*habits of dishonesty and selfishness that carried over from the A

Me: WW, 34 Him: BH, 34 -- StillGoing
2 kids, ages 9 and 5
1.5 year EA/PA
D-day 5/01/10

Ain't it funny how we pretend we're still a child
Softly stolen under our blanket skies
And rescue me from me and all that I believe

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thundersdad78 ( member #30260) posted at 8:46 PM on Wednesday, April 13th, 2011

I think it depends on the WS. If they are remorseful, it seems that they do so to spare further pain to you, and because it takes some time to break the pattern of lying. Its like a drug addict. They have a hard time stopping cold turkey without relapses, although they know they have to. My FwW told me it was to spare further hurt, she was afraid it would be the final nail in the coffin, and she didnt think I could handle anymore being in the state I was in.

If its an unremorseful WS it's just because they are a dipshit and are just stringing you along.

"Happiness depends upon ourselves." - Aristotle

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onlysolution ( member #23160) posted at 9:03 PM on Wednesday, April 13th, 2011

I believe there are different reasons for TT. I did not TT, I just let the whole truth come out at once. But, I was not trying to save my marriage, I thought I was ending it, and I believed that my WH deserved the truth.

I think many WS's TT because they are not ready to face the consequences, which may be end of marriage, end of affair, or end of their good reputation. Some may TT, because they really truly believe that it is the best way to handle it, less hurt for everyone. It is easy to see how someone can believe that withholding hurtful information is a better way to go.

I think it takes a lot of trust on the part of the WS to open up with such a personally damaging truth. It is hard to place that kind of trust into the hands of someone you've crucified. WS's are often at a very vulnerable time after dday and TTing can be self-preservation.

FWW: Me 52
BH: 54
Married 34 years
Recovery - Over 4 years

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 neverendinghurt (original poster member #15859) posted at 9:34 PM on Wednesday, April 13th, 2011

Thankyou to the WS's that have replied, I appreciate it.

I get the thing about trust, I said that to H at one point, that he didn;t trust me with the truth, but that I had never given him any reason NOT to trust me, ie, I had always had his back just as I always thought he had mine.

The life of every man is a diary in which he means to write one story, and writes another; and his humblest hour is when he compares the volume as it is with what he vowed to make it.
James M. Barrie

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ArialRose ( member #24735) posted at 9:37 PM on Wednesday, April 13th, 2011

I get the thing about trust, I said that to H at one point, that he didn;t trust me with the truth, but that I had never given him any reason NOT to trust me,

I said this same thing to my H, that he didn't trust me. He was somewhat defensive saying it was the other way around. I explained that we did not trust each other. He still didn't come clean.

ArialRose-BS
in our 40's
M 28 years, together 30 years
3 DSs (adult)
D-Day: 3/23/09, Major TT 2/10/10 5/24/10,10/30/10, & 12/12/10.
Inappropriate online conversations on my part- 10/2011

FOR FUCKS SAKE!

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uncertainone ( member #28108) posted at 11:30 PM on Wednesday, April 13th, 2011

ETA: This is for general discussion and not specific to me

I know you state this and then your second post is specific to you.

NEH, you've asked this a few times since I've been on this board and this question gets answered regularly in wayward often.

I never lied. Onlysolution is dead on.It's different for different WS, just as whether to reconcile, forgive, d is different for BS's.

You state you always had his back. Did he know this because he'd done something before egregious to you and you supported him or is this the first time in your married life that he hurt you and he had no idea how you would react?

What could he have done or can he do differently now or is it all academic at this point and you're just curious?

Me: 37

'til the roof comes off. 'til the lights go out. 'til my legs give out, can't shut my mouth

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 neverendinghurt (original poster member #15859) posted at 11:44 PM on Wednesday, April 13th, 2011

No he had never done anything lime it before.

By always had his back, I mean that I always supported him. Not sure how to explain it other than looking our for each other KWIM?

Yes I do bring Trickle Truth up a lot because it is something that so many here face, and it is so destructive and I want to try to help others avoid it if possible.

And yes, I did bring it back to my situation to try show that I got what someone was saying.

The life of every man is a diary in which he means to write one story, and writes another; and his humblest hour is when he compares the volume as it is with what he vowed to make it.
James M. Barrie

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uncertainone ( member #28108) posted at 11:48 PM on Wednesday, April 13th, 2011

Yes I do bring Trickle Truth up a lot because it is something that so many here face, and it is so destructive and I want to try to help others avoid it if possible.

Gotcha. I'm sorry, NEH. I didn't get that from this post which is why I asked...inquiring mind and all

Me: 37

'til the roof comes off. 'til the lights go out. 'til my legs give out, can't shut my mouth

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cannotgetpast ( member #30880) posted at 11:50 PM on Wednesday, April 13th, 2011

Uhhhh... why is there a problem with asking a question more than once or injecting your personal circumstances into a post?

Are we not allowed to do this?

BS 46 me
WH 43
married 18 years together 21
1 teen daughter
8 month ea/pa with co-worker, a.k.a., soulmate
DDay 10/08
Extracted truth over a couple of months until it came out.
NC as of 12/08. Haven't heard a word from her.
R'ing? De

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uncertainone ( member #28108) posted at 11:52 PM on Wednesday, April 13th, 2011

Of course. That wasn't my point. Sorry if it came across that way

Me: 37

'til the roof comes off. 'til the lights go out. 'til my legs give out, can't shut my mouth

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shockingspring ( member #31810) posted at 11:55 PM on Wednesday, April 13th, 2011

I think that I would be able to handle hearing everything up front. I am a person that needs to hear it, take time to process, and then make decisions. If you TT your way through the situation, that just lengthens the time, and intensifies my emotions, that I will process. For me, the more time I have to process, the more apt I am to over think things.

Oh so lost and have no clue which direction leads me the right way.

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beenthere2? ( member #28554) posted at 12:20 AM on Thursday, April 14th, 2011

I'm not the WS but I can tell you why WH says he did it. He was afraid I would leave if I know the whole thruth at the very beginning. He figured I would leave if i knew the even the small truth he started with, but was postive I would kick him out if I knew the whole truth. I would have had no way to learn the truths he has told me since the A had been over for 4 months by first PA confession.

He decided to tell me because R wasn't going to be real R if he kept lying and he finally removed his head from his ass and realized that lying to me was still betraying me.

While I absolutely hate the TT and it has killed my ability to trust him and believe I have the whole truth, he is probably correct. Had I learned it all in Sept I would have kicked his ass too the curb. By the time he told me the rest he was out of the fog and showing growth and real remorse. By TTing me he let me get used to the betryal a little at a time.

Me: BW 34 Him: WH 36
Married 10
Dday #1 5/15/10 claimed EA/just friends
#2 9/20/10 (admitted to kiss w/ same OW
#3 11/29/10 admitted to a lot more

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Secondbestiguess ( member #30333) posted at 12:30 AM on Thursday, April 14th, 2011

I think TT shows a lack of strong character, which I always thought my husband had. I also feel it shows an extreme lack of respect for me and our marriage. The TT and breaking No contact to send her a gift for her birthday is most likely going to be the end for us.

If he would have been honest from the get go I know I would have been able to get through this better AND faster. But he wasn't, so its been a steady stream of pain for me since the end of Sept last year.

TT is a mariage killer, period.

I can't take it anymore.


"The person who will be true to you is the one who doesn't need you to establish and enforce a set of rules for him/her to live by."

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Bobbie ( member #15351) posted at 12:48 AM on Thursday, April 14th, 2011

Great question... I believe my WS TT'd & minimized mostly because he didn't want to hurt me more. But in reality, it was more for himself than for me... he didn't want to see ME, the devastation his actions caused, or feel my pain... he wanted to hang on to the control and the control of the aftermath… he did not want to face the consequences... He had gone years--lying to himself--not having to think about what he had done and he wanted to continue as before...not think about it, so he could go on as before pretending like it was never really that bad...

Also, it’s habits of dishonesty and selfishness due to years of lies... it becomes second nature.

If you TT your way through the situation, that just lengthens the time, and intensifies my emotions, that I will process. For me, the more time I have to process, the more apt I am to over think things.

That's me!!!

[This message edited by Bobbie at 6:11 AM, April 14th (Thursday)]

Waited 30 years to deal with the pain!

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lordhasaplan? ( member #30079) posted at 1:14 AM on Thursday, April 14th, 2011

This is something I have been trying to get my head around for some time. I truly believe that there are many reasons why they lie from reading here. Some may fit your WS some may not, but understanding some of this lessened the power of the lies for me. I wrote this about a month ago. Why do WS’s lie? There are many answers the first being the simplest: it’s easy. Affairs are built on lies, and most WS’s are pretty good at it. Many WS’s have known nothing but lies, they have learned to lie at a very early age. Many as children perfected the lie to avoid getting into trouble, dodging punishment, make themselves feel better. Some grow up in environments where they are taught and encouraged to lie to protect another’s feelings, their parents teach them how to tell these white lies early in life. For example, “Tell Aunt Pat she looks great in those jeans.” . But by the time most WS’s are adults, lying is second nature. In fact, I believe they become best at lying to themselves. This is more insidious and problematic as it becomes part of their natural coping skills under duress.

There is a component of the WS’s lies that are about control. Many WS’s desperately want to control how others see them, and they don’t want anyone to see them for who they really are. In fact, they are scared of who they are and they even want to control how they see themselves. I believe with my WW she would lie to appear more agreeable and to impress others in a social situations. In effect, they want to elevate their self-esteem. Once the Wayward self-esteem is threatened, They tend to lie. They will lie about just about everything, the kind of life they have, where they live, and how much money they make, how their spouse treats them. After the affair is exposed these control oriented liars tend to TT, a lie of omission as easily as just lie. WS’s attempt to control the fall out of the affair, and when they cant exercise control over the fall-out they can’t tell the truth. They want to be in control how things should be in this reconciliation, in thier mind they still want to “manage” this, and they do it with the tool they know best, lies. They try the “tell what my BS wants to hear” game. They tell a lie, choose words could put themselves in a better light or choose an answer that is going to help keep your BS quiet for more time.

Another reason for their lies besides control is FEAR. They fear that with the ugly truths out the fall out of the affair will be worse than what is known. They again lie to themselves, tell themselves my BS doesn’t need to know about the oral sex that is not important, BS already knows I had sex once and that’s all BS needs to know. They are afraid if you know the real person they were in the affair that again you will be gone and they can’t relinquish the control over the outcome.

Many WS’s also TT or lie because they are massive conflict avoiders. They cant stand to be in opposition to another. Either they have an inferiority issue that doesn’t allow them to engage the conflict or they have FOO issues where conflicts usually = violence, but conflict avoidance is best handled with a lie, don’t allow the disagreement to happen in the first place. Many WS’s fear conflict more than they fear themselves, so they lie to avoid the issue.

Then there are the WS’s that are pathological liars. A pathological liar is a liar who believes the lies he is telling, the WS manages to convince themselves they are true, in comparison to a compulsive liar who will lie for any reason, and knows they are lies but apparently can't stop himself from doing so. Pathologic liars don’t see their lies, a pathological liar may not know that they lie, they may believe themselves to be as honest and trustworthy as anyone else. Some of them actually believe their own lies until someone can show them proof that they are wrong. The sad truth is that most pathologic liars lie to build themselves up because of feelings of inadequacy and worthlessness.

Point is there are many reasons for the lies and TT related to the affair. Not many of them made sense to me, but I quickly realized none of them were about me. They all point to a broken spouse. TT is chiefly that, the spouse even after the affair is uncovered is so broken they cant even be honest with themselves about what happened. They are by definition not owning their shit!. Which brings me to the ramifications on the BS?

As BS’s the lies are the hardest part, they are the tools of the devil. They destroy all that a marriage is founded on honesty, love, intimacy and trust. Being dishonest about the affair only serves as another SI poster stated as “roundup on the marriage, it kills everything”. As I have said before “From complete honesty up sprouts small shoots of trust, intimacy, and healing.” It's difficult to stay in love with one another when we discover they are dishonest about things that matter. Lies makes us question our own reality, are we BS’s nuts? We feel that way, we have no center, no firm ground to stand on. I know this because my WW was not honest, and all the TT makes me question reality even today. Lies and deception have driven a gaping hole in our relationship. My WW destroyed the love, trust, and intimacy in our relationship with the inability to be honest with me and herself.

I hope this helps BS’s get their minds around why their WS might be lying and WS’s understand that they are killing the love, intimacy and trust that any health relationship.

BS- Me (53)D-day: 5/18/10, lies and TT till (11/26/10). Currently in R. Don't carry others crap. It's your job to fix yourself, not your spouse.

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southsidecali ( member #22752) posted at 3:02 AM on Thursday, April 14th, 2011

Mine told me what happened and such shortly after but then clammed up.

He didn't do it to heal, he did it to punish me. He is severely Passive aggressive and NPD..so he told me everything to hurt me more so it would be easier for me to get angry and end things..so he could blame me in the end for "pushing him " away.

I can only laugh at that.. the fucken asshole pushed his dick into someone else and has the nerve to blame me for pushing him away..straight into someone elses pussy.. what a freaking tool he is -if he seriously believes I belied that one.

It is about control, they lie to control the situation, your reaction, their accountability, their facade.

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