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 Onehotmess (original poster new member #60233) posted at 3:57 PM on Tuesday, August 29th, 2017

Returned from a family vacation in July to discover that my husband has had an affair for the past two years with a coworker. At this time, he is not living at home, and I reside in the house with our three children. Originally, he explained to me that he wanted a divorce; he and his affair partner had both decided to leave their marriages and continue their relationship. When I expressed a desire to try reconciliation because of our 31 year history, 23 as a married couple, he seemed surprised. I have gathered from our heart-to-heart talks in the past few weeks that he assumed I would want nothing to do with him after learning of the affair. He has now agreed that we should at least try to reconcile. He understands and completely agrees that no contact with his affair partner is a must before we begin to work on "us". He has asked that I give him time to find the courage to cease that relationship; his affair partner wants to continue the relationship and does not believe that I want to truly reconcile. I am not sure what am to do with this. I do not want to rush him or back him into a corner, yet I do not want to sacrifice any more time/attention/raw emotion on a man who might not genuinely be prepared for the task of rebuilding a marriage with me. Anyone in this same dilemma who can provide insight? I greatly appreciate any suggestions. Thank you.

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beenthereinco ( member #56409) posted at 4:03 PM on Tuesday, August 29th, 2017

Don't let him test drive this other relationship and keep you in limbo. That isn't fair to you emotionally and financially. What you should do is tell him that you are moving forward with your life out of infidelity. Tell him you are going to file for divorce and then do it. You need all of the protection of the law here so that he has to meet his obligations to your family. Do not let him spend all of your money setting up his new life.

You need to knock him off of this fence and get him to land on one side or the other. I know that is scary because he might not land on your side but you will do yourself no favors by allowing him to hold you as Plan B. Filing for a divorce is not getting a divorce. It can take some time but filing will show him that you are serious and moving on with your life. You should not live with your husband having a girlfriend.

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undertherug ( member #41580) posted at 4:08 PM on Tuesday, August 29th, 2017

So he wants to keep her for Plan B in case things don't work out with you? Sounds to me like he is not fully committed to reconciliation. If he wanted NC with her, he would already have NC with her. He is putting his concerns for her over his concerns for his marriage. If the OW's spouse doesn't know, it's time to tell him.

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allusions ( member #25376) posted at 4:24 PM on Tuesday, August 29th, 2017

He has asked that I give him time to find the courage to cease that relationship

In other words, he is afraid to end the relationship. Well, if he wants to have a relationship with you, he'd better find that courage, pronto.

I'm going to be blunt here. He's been having an affair for two years and it's gotten deep enough to where they planned to leave their spouses. It's very unlikely that he is just going to suddenly end it with her. Even if he says he has, the affair has probably gone underground and is continuing on some level. They work together and unless that changes they are going to be around each other on a regular basis.

Where is he living now? With her? If he is, that has to change.

Does OW's husband know about what's been going on? He needs to be notified.

I know this is an awful situation to be in. Don't settle for being Plan B. You have more worth than that.

You can apologize over and over, but if your actions don't change, your words become meaningless.

Behind every crazy bitch is a sweet girl who just got tired of being lied to.

I've found the key to happiness: Stay away from assholes.

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CincyKid ( member #57948) posted at 6:40 PM on Tuesday, August 29th, 2017

If it was me I'd give them 10 seconds to decide and then I'd make the decision and it would be irreversible. I was never given the luxury of a choice in what happened to my marriage. I would never squander that chance or cede it to a cheater if I was given a choice.

Betrayed, life over...
Life goes on...
Met sunshine girl, fell in love...
Reconnected with wonderful DD...
Married sunshine girl, happy as can be!!!

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Sharkman ( member #56818) posted at 6:48 PM on Tuesday, August 29th, 2017

So he's asking your permission to have a girlfriend, basically?

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Dismayed2012 ( member #49151) posted at 8:06 PM on Tuesday, August 29th, 2017

Sorry to hear about your situation.

I'm thinking that the fact that you've expressed your willingness to forgive is new information to him and that this is causing him to rethink his direction.

Rethinking his direction shouldn't take but a few days though so as painful as it is, it might also be wise to set a date that you're going to be forced to move on with your life.

At the risk of being totally counter to everyone else on this forum, I think that I'd recommend that after reading other suggestions, other threads, and the Healing Library, you sit down with your wayward spouse (WS) again (today, tomorrow, this week) and have a more informed heart-to-heart and try to figure out moving forward together. Don't wait long on this because the other woman (OW) is likely fighting to keep him in the affair (A) fog.

Wishing you the best.

Infidelity sucks. Freedom rocks.

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 Onehotmess (original poster new member #60233) posted at 8:19 PM on Tuesday, August 29th, 2017

Thank you all so very much for your time, words of support, and your insight. I appreciate knowing this place is an opportunity to safely share with those who have walked this path. Each response has given me "food for thought", and I have much to consider. Best of luck to each of you as you continue your journey.

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Maltreated50 ( new member #58697) posted at 8:19 PM on Tuesday, August 29th, 2017

Warning bells ! Set your boundaries and stick to them. Do what is best for you. So perhaps give him a very limited time to end the relationship. I would want to be present when he phones her too or help write the letter or text .

This is a very painful time and it is very difficult to think clearly. Also it took a while to get any truth from my wayward husband about the state of his affair so he may well be still lying.

Good luck and so sorry you are experiencing this.

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7yrsflushed ( member #32258) posted at 8:27 PM on Tuesday, August 29th, 2017

He has asked that I give him time to find the courage to cease that relationship;

^^^Did you wayward husband find the courage to ask you if he could have an affair? The answer to that is no, so he should not get any time to find courage to end the affair.

Don't bargain for your marriage. He made vows to you not to his coworker. He broke those vows and now wants to figure out how to have his cake and eat it too. Right now he thinks he has options because you told him you want to work towards reconciling. He shoved that right back in your face with his courage request. So you make the decision for him. You remove yourself as a choice and he can do as he chooses. you refuse to be his plan B. The longer you let him bargain and stretch this out the harder it will be for him to end it. He believes this is a negotiation and it's not.

If you can out the Affair at his job. Take that option away from him as well. If you can't do that or it wont' make a difference then definitely remove yourself as an option and you do that by filing for Divorce. Divorce is a process and can take upwards of a year depending on your state. Don't play the pick me game, remove yourself as a choice.

D-day 5/24/11
BH = Me
2 children
The first true sense of calm I felt in YEARS was when I filed for D...
Divorced 9/2/14 and loving life!

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OneInTheSame ( member #49854) posted at 4:12 AM on Wednesday, August 30th, 2017

This! ^^^^^^

(I edit to correct typos)
I am the BS in a lesbian marriage. My WW's ex-girlfriend was the AP.
D-day of the 6 mo A was 10/04/15
We are doing okay, but by now I wanted it to be better

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ChamomileTea ( Moderator #53574) posted at 12:01 PM on Wednesday, August 30th, 2017

I do not want to rush him or back him into a corner, yet I do not want to sacrifice any more time/attention/raw emotion on a man who might not genuinely be prepared for the task of rebuilding a marriage with me.

It's not really about wasted time. It's about finding out whether or not your WH is really willing to reconcile and to abide by the boundaries of marriage.

I get it. No one was more surprised than me to find that I was willing to reconcile after my WH's really florid adultery. It never even occurred to him that I might take him back, so he thought he needed to find a soft place to land with the last of the three OW. And just like in your case, she'd already exploded her own home situation due to their future-faking, so there was enormous pressure for him to follow through. Here's what I told him though... "The OW is not a child and she did not engage in any behavior that she didn't fully choose. She knew the risks of cheating in her marriage. She made a free choice to cheat anyway."

I gave him literally NO TIME to end it with the OW. He had to make his decision on the spot, and I let him know that there would be no changing it. He had to be either "all in" or "all out" of the marriage.

Now bear in mind that I had already told him I was divorcing him on DDay and that he had already asked me for a month "to prove that he could be trusted". Of course, he had then used that month to try and let the OW down gently and ease out of contact with her, despite his initial promise to go complete NC.

So, he had already abused the chance he'd asked for and I was fed up. I meant what I said, "choose, choose now, and know that your choice is permanent".

Here's the thing with the "Pick Me Dance". It's basically triangulation. It feeds the drama. It feeds the affair. Your WH has two women competing for his grand self, and don't think for even a minute that even while he whines about how much guilt he has that there isn't a part of him just digging it.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, in order for real healing to occur in R, you can't feel like there was any real contest. You must be number one, because there's already so much hurt and trauma to recover from. So, if he can't pull his head out of his ass to let you know that you're what he wants, the recovery becomes almost impossible. Every day he leaves you wondering is more damage piling up, until the pile is insurmountable.

I know it's scary to take the risk of putting your foot down. There's no way to predict the outcome of that. But... as long as he's in contact with the OW, he's still cheating and the affair is still alive. You can't recover a marriage while the adultery is ongoing. The adultery must stop.

During an affair, the allegiance of the WS changes from their spouse to the AP. So, they do feel some responsibility for the future-faking and weasel words when the AP loses their home dynamic. It's not like most of these AP's don't know for a fact that the cheater is married though. So, they knew the risks. They are not innocent, and in order for the cheater to break their hold on his guilt, he needs to see that they AP is just as responsible for the consequences of her choices as he is. Essentially, there's some survivor's guilt to deal with when one marriage implodes but the other does not. So, you have to disarm that by reminding him that the OW is a grown woman who made adult choices all along. She's not an innocent. She doesn't need rescuing. And outcomes after infidelity are not guaranteed.

Your outcome is not guaranteed either. But you have to know where he stands and whether he's willing to work for recovery. If you let him turn you into a door mat, he'll never respect you enough to do the work required anyway.

I'm sorry. It's so scary, I know. But you can't be the third wheel in your own marriage.

BW: 2004(online EAs), 2014 (multiple PAs); Married 40 years; in R with fWH for 10

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twisted ( member #8873) posted at 3:00 PM on Wednesday, August 30th, 2017

I'm with Cincy, I was going to say 60 seconds, but 10 seconds should be long enough.

End of discussion.

"Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?

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findingjoy ( member #46546) posted at 3:20 PM on Wednesday, August 30th, 2017

He wants to have his cake and eat it, too.

If you don't demand respect, he'll never give it to you. You deserve it and he needs to know that. In his bones.

If my FWH had wavered for a second, we'd be divorced now. I won't be a plan B - ever.

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Me: 50
Him: FWH 61
2 previous Ms: 2 adult DD's
Together 11 yrs, M 9 yrs. Dday 01/20/15
2 PA's (one was a 2 yr LTA) Reconciled.

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superchump ( member #47258) posted at 3:58 PM on Wednesday, August 30th, 2017

Oh Boy.

Why do you want to reconcile with this guy? A few weeks ago he was hot to leave you, his 3 decade partner, to pursue a relationship with a slut. Sorry to be blunt, but that's the gist of it. 2 years behind your back. Don't you deserve better than that?

Look, I believe in reconcilation, but only when the WS is willing to do the real work. Only when the WS recognizes fully what they have done and atones for it. Your H seems like a pinball being hoisted between two corners. One minute ready to pursue happily ever after with slut, the next minute feels obligated to be with his family. Screw that.

I think you should remain separated from H, in fact, take it up a notch, file for D. Go on with your life. Let him step up and make these decisions. Say to him "It seems you are unsure of what direction you want to go, so let me make it easy for you, I withdraw". If he is really interested in R.. he will make the commitment and do the work. Honestly, it is out of your control. In the meantime, you need to keep moving forward. If he comes to his senses on his own and does the work and you can R, great. If not, you will be closer to healing. Take yourself out of the triangulation pick me dance.

I am sorry this sucks so bad. It's the worst, but you will survive it. Hang tough and come here to post.

Me: BS 40's
Him: WS 40's
2 sons
Dday: January 2015- ILYBNILWY speech
EA discovered February 2015
Divorce filed April 2015
Wants another chance.. proceeding cautiously

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superchump ( member #47258) posted at 4:01 PM on Wednesday, August 30th, 2017

I'll add this Onehotmess.... after DD I did a lot of pick me dancing, begging and "please let's work on the marriage".. that did absolutely NO GOOD. I should have kicked him out on Day 1. It goes against our nature to do that... because we are loyal people, but it would have been a better thing to do.

My H eventually came around, and his A wasn't as long, but it had virtually NOTHING to do with me. He had to move out, experience consequences, and live with it before he got it. And when he came back, I didn't take him back immediately. It was months and months of work, therapy, post nuptial agreements, etc.

Point is, protect yourself first. He's going to do what he's going to do. You have no control over him. All you control is YOUR reactions and actions.

Me: BS 40's
Him: WS 40's
2 sons
Dday: January 2015- ILYBNILWY speech
EA discovered February 2015
Divorce filed April 2015
Wants another chance.. proceeding cautiously

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Hopeful30 ( member #44618) posted at 3:57 PM on Thursday, November 9th, 2017

OneHotMess

Wanted to check in with you and see how you are doing?

How are the kids doing?

BS: Me
In reconciliation.
I edit for spelling and clarity
"Do or do not, there is no try." - Yoda

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1Faith ( member #38975) posted at 4:25 PM on Thursday, November 9th, 2017

He has asked that I give him time to find the courage to cease that relationship

Uhm, NO !! Just no.

He is asking his wife for courtesy to break up with his girlfriend.

You are playing nice and hoping he will see the errors of his ways...NOT HAPPENING.

What you allow will continue.

Time for him to man up, make a decision and decide if he wants your marriage to work or if he wants to be with the OW.

It is scary but it is also decisive.

Don't be the option flaying around in the wind hoping he "picks" you.

You deserve more. Respect yourself because he clearly is not.

(((good luck)))

Sometimes my life feels like a test I didn't study for

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Adriw7878 ( new member #59582) posted at 8:24 AM on Sunday, November 12th, 2017

Ask him if it is okay to let OH know of their affair. IT will help him make a decision faster.

Me/hubby - 56 yo (medically retired)
Wife - 56 yo (VP of high corp.)
Married - 28 yrs
2 adult children - loves me more

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laststraw ( member #61363) posted at 12:17 AM on Monday, November 13th, 2017

How long should you wait?? Not sure, but I would give him a full 30 seconds.

One and Done 11/2017

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