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 Beyawnedremorse (original poster new member #62332) posted at 4:45 AM on Thursday, April 26th, 2018

Transparency-my BH is on this site. He has encouraged me to seek advice and knows I am on here. However, this is my first post. It’s been the longest and most difficult 8 months (DD 8.28.17) of my life. After 15 years of marriage, treatment for addiction and more surgeries than anyone should have to endure, I had a PA with a high school BF.

I love my husband more than anything but after treatment, I honestly believed he was so disappointed, disgusted and done with me, I fell for cheap compliments. Self deprecation, self esteem issues etc, I convinced myself he deserved more so I would give him a way out. He didn’t deserve the mess of me. And, I, of course, never thought he’d find out. Except for the part where he’s smarter than me.

So, here we are, at an impasse I suppose. We had a fantastic marriage. Seriously, everyone envied is. We were the couple everyone hated but loved. I literally loved him more everyday. Except, I hated myself. I was always sick, I always used up his sick/vacation time for one of my endless ailments. After 6 surgeries in a couple years, I developed quiet the addiction for painkillers. Of course, he supported me through treatment but all I saw was his resentment.

After four (at least that) of the AP reaching out to me, I replied. This lead to a 3 month A.

So, here we are. I want so badly to stay married and keep our family together. However, I know I’ve betrayed my husband and caused so much pain that I can’t imagine him ever moving past my infidelity.

I guess my question to everyone is, (please, only helpful responses), how can I, is it possible, to show my husband: how remorseful I am and how much I love him and how sorry I am and how much I want to keep our family together.

I suppose this is nothing more than a selfish desire. But, I love him, I need him, our kids love/need him.

Where do I go from here? I’m so broken but willing to do the work. I’m in IC, he’s in IC, and we’re in MC.

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EvolvingSoul ( member #29972) posted at 5:08 AM on Thursday, April 26th, 2018

Hi there Beyawnedremorse,

Welcome to the Wayward side of SI. You'll get lots of support, advice, encouragement and tough love from people who have been where you are.

I guess my question to everyone is, (please, only helpful responses), how can I, is it possible, to show my husband: how remorseful I am and how much I love him and how sorry I am and how much I want to keep our family together.

There is no one thing you can do to show him all of this. You can't get him to see or do anything. You can only focus on fixing you and supporting him while he goes through the storms that come with processing betrayal.

Be transparent and honest. Don't blameshift. Learn self-compassion and learn to embrace vulnerability. Develop some tools for dealing with difficult emotions without getting swept away by them. Answer his questions. Keep your defenses low and your curiosity high.

A really critical piece is digging down on how/why you were able to betray him. This

I convinced myself he deserved more so I would give him a way out. He didn’t deserve the mess of me. And, I, of course, never thought he’d find out.

isn't it, I don't think. Those two ideas don't go together because if you thought he'd never find out, then how could having an affair give him a reason to leave? If he didn't deserve the mess of you he sure didn't deserve the additional mess of betrayal. You'll have to keep digging. It took me a pretty long time to get to the why, don't give up.

Also. Education. What reading have you done to educate yourself about the nature of infidelity and how it impacts the people involved? Education helped me take a more objective view. If you haven't already I encourage you to read "Not Just Friends" by Shirley Glass and "How to Help Your Spouse Heal From Your Affair" by Linda MacDonald and "Things Every WS Needs to Know" by HUFI-PUFI on this board. I'll bump the last one up to the top for you.

Glad you made it here. Some of the advice you'll receive might be tough to hear at times, but try to read past the tone and look closely at the content with your defenses down and your curiosity engaged.

Best to you from this EvolvingSoul.

Me: WS (64)Him: Shards (59)D-day: June 6, 2010Last voluntary AP contact: June 23, 2010NC Letter sent: 3/9/11

We’re going to make it.

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 Beyawnedremorse (original poster new member #62332) posted at 5:54 AM on Thursday, April 26th, 2018

Thank you for your WOW (words of wisdom). I’m desperate, so any advice is welcome. I didn’t put up the stop 🛑. I was hoping to Get positive/Gentile advice/direction from both sides. 😊

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Adotta ( member #63232) posted at 12:37 AM on Friday, April 27th, 2018

Keeping the stop sign will save you from hearing a few people unload some not so nice thoughts on you. BUT getting rid of the stop sign will give you a window into your BS and his pain. Noone can truly understand the pain of being the bs in a marriage unless they have been there. So it's up to you. At one point I feel you need to be able to take some hits and random people on the internet might help you prepare for the hits that will come from your husband. Although it may be too early for you right now.

"Take what you need leave the rest" and "if you are angered or hurt and sad about something said here you probably need to look into it more." evolving I am learning! Lol

Evolving has it right. You really need to work on yourself. Not saying screw your husband your pain comes first. Not at all. As long as you are still a broken person you can't be a safe wife for your husband. You need to find the balance between helping yourself AND him.

Work on the pills addiction. Are you seeing a councilor or psychologist? I highly recomend it if not.

I also recommend reading up on infidelity and it's effects on both the bs and ws. Most people rationalize the affair in thier mind because they simply don't understand the implications and ramifications. They tell them selves it's not so bad.

Understand your whys. Stepping up and taking control of your own decisions and owning them. Being a genuine person especially with loved ones. Communicating even hard issues. Are all things to be worked on.

Are you a conflict avoiding type? Most waywards are. They have a very hard time talking about difficult things or arguing thier feelings to another.

I would also recomend filling us in on the details much more. What we have right now is just an outline. We need detail. What where you feeling at what point. What was said during the affair. How do you perceive your husband? What kind of man is he. How did you feel about your affair partner(s?). Go into more detail about your relationship with your husband and your ap. Do you work. Do you have kids? What age are they? What was your life like growing up. The more detail you fill in the clearer the picture becomes for us. The clearer the picture the more we can help.

Stick around. This is a great board full of people who have suffered and inflicted suffering on others. No two situations are the same but we all came here from shitty situations.

I also don't recommend seeing yourself as weak or a victims or pathetic. It's a spiral and solves nothing. You need STRENGTH right now. The strength to see yourself and the world around you as it really is. The strength to make life altering changes pretty much across the board. The strength to break a lifetime of habits and behaviors and be vulnerable (sounds like an oxymoron but it's not). The strength to understand (like REALLY understand) the pain of your spouse without it destroying you. The strength to take the anger he will throw at you.

The road out of this isn't easy, but the rewards are many and great. Keep trucking on!

[This message edited by Adotta at 6:53 PM, April 26th (Thursday)]

"Try to be better ever day is what I tell myself. Failing is ok. Just try harder tomorrow. As long as I make one step after another I can't help but be a great person eventually.... right?" -Adotta

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sorrowfulmate ( member #43441) posted at 2:19 PM on Friday, April 27th, 2018

Addictive personalities will move from addiction to addiction. This isn’t an excuse for an affair it is a caution. I’ve seen this happen in my anonymous programs where new people come in and hook up with others as a substitute. The relationship the disintegrates and the addict is left with a deeper wound and the potential for relapse.

How do you move forward and help your betrayed start gaining trust? You must realize at this point that your words mean very little. Your spouse is traumatized by both your addiction and your affairs and right now is trying to find solid ground to steady themselves on.

The foundational trust of the marriage has been destroyed by lies. Addicts are liars. Waywards are liars.

First work your treatment program. I don’t know if it’s a 12 step or not but If it isn’t then I suggest that you find a NA or PA (pills anonymous) program. The steps help to change your life from one of deceit to one of truth.

Get the book How to Help Your Spouse Heal From Your Affair by Linda McDonald. You can buy it here https://www.amazon.com/dp/145055332X/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_qagUybCZE9ZZT.

Next get Not Just Friends by Shirley Glass. It will help you see what you need to build up for boundaries in outside relationships. You can get it here https://www.amazon.com/dp/0743225503/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_XagUybMQYXFG2.

The first book by linda McDonald has a basic list of 15 things that you must do to help your spouse heal.

I like using an analogy of a climbing team. While the lead climber doesn’t climb for the other team members they are the ones that set the anchor points and climb ahead and blaze a path for the others.

As a wayward, if you remain in this relationship you are the lead climber. You have to begging to heal yourself before your BS can even attempt to clime behind you.

If you are careless in your healing like not being fully truthful about events in the A or minimize your actions, those anchor points become weak and when your BS attempts to climb to the next level the anchor point fails the progress made is lost and both of you can fall either to the point where you started or you fall further down and must begin again.

This is why trickle truth and lies are so destructive to reconciliation.

The reality is that you have a huge job ahead of you and it will be one of the hardest things you will have to do.

Finally this isn’t something that is done overnight. Estimates put the timeframe from 2-5 years and frankly I believe it’s more of 4-7 myself. So be prepared for a marathon because the only way out is going through this process. Shortcuts only will lengthen this shitstorm.

Hang in there.

[This message edited by sorrowfulmate at 8:19 AM, April 27th (Friday)]

Me-WS 52 Her-BS 51 Questioningall
5 kids DDay 12/13 (lied ONS)
Dday 3/3/14 - multiple EA, PA
TT ended in October when I had polygraph
"Good night, Sorrowful. Good work. Sleep well. I can always divorce you in the morning." Dread BS Roberts

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DaddyDom ( member #56960) posted at 10:02 PM on Friday, April 27th, 2018

So, here we are. I want so badly to stay married and keep our family together. However, I know I’ve betrayed my husband and caused so much pain that I can’t imagine him ever moving past my infidelity.

I guess my question to everyone is, (please, only helpful responses), how can I, is it possible, to show my husband: how remorseful I am and how much I love him and how sorry I am and how much I want to keep our family together.

I suppose this is nothing more than a selfish desire. But, I love him, I need him, our kids love/need him.

These are all good questions. And it seems that you are early in the process, so there is a lot of work to be done, and sadly, a lot of this work will involve a great deal of pain as you dig deep to find out who you really are, how you think and feel, and to learn to let go of the outcomes now.

Re-read the quote above. Even you said this is a selfish desire, but take that to heart. Notice that what you keep stating is what you want, how you want things to turn out, how you want him to feel... but how does this help your husband feel any safer about being with you? Does it show concern for him or what he wants and needs? I know that, as a WS, wanting your BS to stop hurting and to rebuild the marriage seems like the most loving and supportive thing you can do. But it is not. These words and feelings are all about you and your happiness, which means you are still putting yourself before the needs of your husband, the husband you just betrayed on so many levels.

While I cannot speak for your husband, I can tell you from my own experience that what he likely wants from you is to feel that you are putting him and his needs before your own, to feel that you truly understand how much damage you did, to show him true empathy, and to demonstrate to him, through your actions, not your words, that you are no longer an unsafe partner for him.

When you cheated on him, you showed him that in fact, you do NOT love him, do NOT need him, and did NOT think of him or the kids or anyone but yourself. Your words will feel meaningless to him because you said those words to him before and yet stabbed him in the back. Even if he was to believe that you are sincere and mean it, that you love him now and won't ever do this again, so what? Why should he care or love you back? To him, it probably feels as if you ran off and got to have your fun, while playing him for a sucker. As yourself, why should he love you now? Why should he trust you now? And why should he care what you want when you didn't consider his needs during the affair? You wanting him back simply may feel like you still making decisions for him, decisions that again benefit you and your needs, not his, not what may be best for him.

Please don't feel that I am beating on you. I am a WS too, just like everyone else on the WS forum, and we all did the same thoughtless and selfish things to our BS's. If there is to be any hope for reconciliation, then we need to get out of our heads and see how the thoughts and feelings we have, even when they seem loving and true to us, can actually still be very selfish and unempathetic. At 18 months out myself, and while still working as hard as possible on myself, I still slip into these thought patterns. It takes time and effort to recognize the broken coping skills we have as WS's, and to build new ways of thinking and feeling that are more healthy, for ourselves and for our spouses and families.

For now, please know that the best way to help your husband feel safer about you is to show him that he comes first in your world, in everything, even to your own detriment perhaps. Let me try to give you an example to think about.

Let's say that you contract a disease which you can survive, but that could be fatal to your kids if they caught it. As long as you have this disease, you are a danger to your children. What would you do about this? I'm sure you love your kids and would sacrifice anything for their safety. In this case, it might mean that you have to send them away to live with a relative, or move out yourself and let them stay with Dad. This would rip your heart out of course. It would be hard on you, hard on the kids and your spouse, and not what anyone wants. But wouldn't you do it because it is what is best for your kids? That is what sacrificial love is like. Now apply that to your spouse. He will have to do whatever he needs to right now to feel safe from getting hurt by you again. Do you support him in this? If so, that means putting his needs first. When he tells what he needs to feel safe, you need to make those things a priority in your life, even if it is not what you want.

You cannot do his healing for him. Like anyone after a trauma, he needs to go through the process of feeling hurt and sad, to grieve, to figure out how he feels and what he needs now that his world has changed, how to survive in a world where the person he trusted the most to have his back, stabbed him in the back instead In the same way, he cannot do your healing for you. You need to figure out why you allowed yourself to compromise your values and his safety. Why did you give yourself permission to lie to him, to your kids? What did the affair give you that you felt was missing? Figure out how you came to this point in your life where you became a liar and cheater, and who do you want to be moving forward? How are you going to get there?

This will be hard. And you need to accept the fact that, even if you became the world's most perfect person now, that it might not make a difference. If you truly put him first, then you may need to accept that his needs might not match your own. However, there are lots of couples here on SI who have been in successful R for years and years. Many of them report that their relationships are in many ways, better. More honest. More authentic. More supportive and understanding. You need to fix yourself, either way, R or D. Learn to love yourself, learn to be proud of who you are, get back to being someone you can respect.

You came to a good place. People here will be honest with you. The rest is up to you.

Me: WS
BS: ISurvivedSoFar
D-Day Nov '16
Status: Reconciling
"I am floored by the amount of grace and love she has shown me in choosing to stay and fight for our marriage. I took everything from her, and yet she chose to forgive me."

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brokendreamer ( member #63182) posted at 2:16 AM on Sunday, April 29th, 2018

Hi, your story is very sad and your remorse seems very genuine. If there is real love between you both and a willingness to ride the storm, you can make the marriage work and possibly even stronger than it was before.

Don't beat yourself up anymore, reassure him, be open and transparent, loving and understanding, above all patient.

I wish you both well and that from a BS, but one who won't let a bad apple make me bitter. Good luck

[This message edited by brokendreamer at 8:18 PM, April 28th (Saturday)]

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