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Cheated upon Fount out today- please help - from India

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 averysadindian (original poster member #29352) posted at 10:57 PM on Thursday, August 19th, 2010

Hi again guys ! Please allow me to be a little ridiculous. I don’t have much experience in reading signs of whether or not a PA/EA is going on or not...and therefore I want to present all that I presently have ( its not much more than what I have already shared). I just want to reconfirm that it is what I am thinking that it is.... I have been reprimanded by @Bigger for being naive after my first post....but I feel continuing anguish and I want double check with all you brothers and sisters because you all ( or most) are unfortunate enough ( and hence wiser) to have such an experience.

Just “yes” or “no” will do it for me. I will even be grateful if you think its just a maybe...

First email on Aug 10. : Its the same email that I have posted on my first message...the long one.

Second email on Aug 10 ( same day) : they are downloading songs and trying to send to each other...

Baba...

Here are the songs !! Hopefully some day I 'll get my CD...

Love

V

Third email on Aug 12: about the songs too....

Hey,

Let me try to send them one by one.

Muuaahh... ( sound for kiss...no names or characters here)

Fourth email on Aug 12

I like this song a lot... Do you associate songs with people? I do... there are quite a few songs I associate with you...

Love

V

Fifth email on Aug 16 : after looking at photos of this guy on facebook :

Oh!! u look real handsome in black jacket and white shirt... never saw you wearing this one...

In the other pic u look rustic, boy kind... colour of ur Tshirt is so cool...

Love u

Nayan.

I am not reading more than there is in these communications...am I?

If you think that I am wasting your time by these silly things then please let me know and I will stick to the core stuff only...but dont think that I am being too stupid and that you to give up ...just give you a perspective...its 330AM in India and I can not sleep and trying to work on this...I only have the medium of written words to express how grateful I am for all your concern and help.

Me BS 35
She WS 35
Married 8 years, together 13 years
No children
DDay#1- 17 Aug 2010 D Day #2 17 March 2011
Status : Separated (Aug 2011) and ready for D. Trying to make it happen amicably.

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aliveagain ( member #25751) posted at 11:34 PM on Thursday, August 19th, 2010

Friend, listen to the advice. Do not tell her how you know about the affair, I like Biggers advice in that regard. You must tell her that you will not stay in a marriage with infidelity. Tell her your boundaries and their consequences if she breaks them. Expose OM give copies of emails to his wife if she needs proof. Keep copies of everything for your lawyer in a safe place. You need to tell her you know about her affair and that you don't intend to be her parent or police her, if she isn't 100% committed to you and your marriage she can leave, you will help her pack. Tell her you are giving her just one chance to tell you the truth, if you catch her lying you are done with her. Do not allow them to continue.

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painpaingoaway ( member #27196) posted at 1:14 AM on Friday, August 20th, 2010

Sadindian,

Quit doubting your initial suspicions.

You are torturing your self with doubt. It's very clear to me that the emails prove that there is AT LEAST an emotional affair going on.

Get some rest.


D-Day June 2009
Watch my movie: "My wayward husband's adventures in STD land":
Episode 1: youtu.be/9Jv0-d_CdYc
Episode 2: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tz822H82Gk

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 1:19 AM on Friday, August 20th, 2010

Hey Indian. If I ever gave the impression that I thought you were naïve then please accept my apology. That was never my intention. However it’s not to be expected that we intuitively know how to react in these situations.

Friend – You CAN save this marriage IF you want to. Yes the work of reconciliation is extremely hard but if done properly will make both you and your WW better people and thereby by default a better marriage. Not because of the affair – the affair NEVER improves a marriage – but because of the work of reconciliation.

Part of that work is transparency and a new form of trust. One that is not based on blind trust but more of a trust-but-verify basis.

However you are also totally free to walk away. Nobody here will judge you.

You mention you are building up a business. This is the main reason I suggest you consult a lawyer regarding issues IF this goes to divorce. It would be a shame to have to hand over half of your business (or the equivalent in assets). This could possibly be avoided IF infidelity factors or by some simple business transaction like putting the company in debt to decrease it’s present value or changing the ownership or corporation form. This is where a lawyer could offer you excellent advice. So simple preparation now could possibly save you a lot of money and aggravation later on.

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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classical_fan ( member #29281) posted at 1:49 AM on Friday, August 20th, 2010

Hello my brother. The emails you posted show such intimacy that it almost doesn't matter if it's an EA or a PA, but it seems clear to me that they crossed the line to a PA some time ago.

Now you need to decide if you want to give her the opportunity to stop the affair and reconcile with you or not. Everything else will flow from that decision.

I hope that with clarity of action your anguish will diminish.

Me - BS - 52
Her - WS - 51
Married 13 yrs.
2 kids - 8 and 10
D-day 8/4/10
Status - Reconciling

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Rise_Above ( member #23674) posted at 2:06 AM on Friday, August 20th, 2010

Hi avsi! Many hugs for you.

Lots of advice already...

simply reading the communications, that would be indicative of a relationship beyond friendship.

The effort that she is putting into this other man should be towards you.

About the baby

I am very shocked that someone would abort a baby but want to adopt. My speculation is that it was not yours and she was fearful. This may be scars shadowing the situation.

You can live the way you believe this is your opportunity to let your life be one that lights the way~F.Battistelli

*****
God's hand was an avocado branch

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SourCherryDrops ( member #25883) posted at 8:52 AM on Friday, August 20th, 2010

KINDLY EXPLAIN THIS PART OF YOUR OST AS I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THIS: “So while a little what-if thinking is ok, in fact i normally recomend trying to reach decisions in advance when your not entrenched in a particular moment, It would pay to keep tabs on yourself and make try to make sure that you dont sink into a game of what-if with yourself, of second guessing every littel thing thats happened and that might happen in the future.”

What im suggesting is that before you reach the point where you have to make a decison about something that you have already worked out what the criteria are for that decision. Trying to determine the criteria and make the decision simultaneously can lead to major influencing considerations being 'forgotten' of left out. We also tend to want to bend the rules a little on ourselves.

So thinking about what might happen could be useful in that context of trying to decide what factors will enter into your decision of whether you want to offer her R or whether you want to persue a divource.

However, for the sake of your own sanity you should try to as much as possible not constantly dwell on thinking it through over and over again, running through all the possible things that might happen... doing so is a cruel form of self torture in my opinion.... of course its easy for me to say dont do this, and to be honest i also struggle with playing what-if with myself, but when i catch myself doing it i tell myself that the only person that suffers from it is me, and i try to change my train of thought.

I hope that helps explain a little better, if its still unclear pleas feel free to send me a private message.

Brother its only natural to secondguess your initial reaction. I initially found out about my wifes first A through her diary, some 2 years after it occured. In it she described meeeting this guy making out, spending the night in a hotel, even that in the following days she had trouble walking The day after reading that i had almost convinced myself that it was just a fantasy, that she had written it too punish me if i should ever read her diary, or because she was trying to write one of those 'womens diary novels' .... until i checked out the name of the town, and hotel she stayed in, a little place that she would otherwise have never even known about.

Your mind is playing tricks with you, its in such turmoil that if it can just get you to believe that its 'nothing' then things can settle down and you can feel safe again. This self inflicted gaslighting is almost as cruel as the gaslighting that many BS's get from their WS once they do confront.

unless your W is someone that uses an overtly affectionate tone with everyone she is friends with then youll probably not find anyone that would say that these emails are at the very minimum overly familiar. At the very least these indicate an Emotional Affair with this man. My (as a result of all this) now cynical nature ould say that as adults if there is the desire, and thir has been the opportunity, then the EA will also almost certainly have been consumated into a full PA.... the sad thing is that even if it hasnt an EA can be just as damaging (i think even more so for a WW) than a PA.

Good luck, look after yourself, make sure you are getting some sleep, make sure that you are eating at least something, keep your wits about you.

Me BS 37, Her STBX 34, 1*ONS, 1*EA 1*PA/EA, 2*PA
Heading for D after 9 mths of R

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 averysadindian (original poster member #29352) posted at 10:53 PM on Friday, August 20th, 2010

Hello friends !

I just wanted to post a quick note to let you know that thanks to allyour kind words words, concern and sound advice, I am doing a WHOLE LOT better today.

I have come to another town ( to get a PI started) and feel as if this is a distant thing.

Of course I may fall into the roller coaster again, but I have been doing a "balance sheet" or "profit and loss account" of R and D and I can see that I can perhaps deal with both.

I would like to write special note of thanks to Bigger and SourCherrydrops amongst others...but I am very tired today and would rather do a good job of it tomorrow...

Thansk a lot again friedns. I will see you shortly here again in case something requiring your advice comes up.

Me BS 35
She WS 35
Married 8 years, together 13 years
No children
DDay#1- 17 Aug 2010 D Day #2 17 March 2011
Status : Separated (Aug 2011) and ready for D. Trying to make it happen amicably.

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