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Chrysalis123 ( member #27148) posted at 2:04 AM on Friday, July 4th, 2014
I don't have insurance on my kids.
Someone I once loved gave me/ a box full of darkness/ It took me years to understand/ That this, too, was a gift. - Mary Oliver
Just for the record darling, not all positive changes feel positive in the beginning -S C Lourie
Aubrie ( member #33886) posted at 2:08 AM on Friday, July 4th, 2014
Re: Insurance
It is something QS and I have discussed. Just a small policy that would cover burial costs in the event of a tragedy. However we've never done it.
"Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway." - J. Wayne
southsidecali ( member #22752) posted at 2:11 AM on Friday, July 4th, 2014
They are both sociopaths. No emotions during testimony of how horrific pain his child experiences but cries when they disclose the sexting.
He felt sorry- shame - and everything else was all about HIM..
I hope they fry him and her
southsidecali ( member #22752) posted at 2:12 AM on Friday, July 4th, 2014
They are both sociopaths. No emotions during testimony of how horrific pain his child experiences but cries when they disclose the sexting.
He felt sorry- shame - and everything else was all about HIM..
I hope they fry him and her
latebloomer45 ( member #18021) posted at 2:14 AM on Friday, July 4th, 2014
I lived in Houston 9 yeas, this seemed to happen once a year, BY ACCIDENT, and I could never believe it. That people could forget their baby. This story actually made me lose my lunch.
As to life insurance, insurance companies DO push polices, but usually at $10K, the price of a pretty nice funeral here in the Midwest. It's a waste of money, put that money in a college fund...if your kid were to die before college you'd still have some money for the funeral. Also $25K seems high for Georgia...but even if it was or wasn't about money, or sex, or freedom, it is utterly despicable.
How many people would have so happily have raised that child if they wanted out?
Whoever said they need to die the same way, Amen. Hell on earth and then hell ever after.
Me: BS 56
Him: FWS 58
Married 32 years
Son-26 Daughter (Who Came out as trans, so now Son)-23,
D-Day #1 12/11/2007
D-Day #2 5/23/2008 fucking trickle truth!
Whatever Threnody said, I concur.
heme ( member #40684) posted at 2:15 AM on Friday, July 4th, 2014
We have small life insurance policies on our children, enough to cover burial expenses. I believe its 5000. I pray we NEVER ever have to worry about them. The thought of losing one of my children is something I don't want to entertain. My grandma lost my mom when my mom was in her late 30s and it tore her up so much, having children of my own I can't imagine the pain of losing one.
BS: Me (30)
WS: Husband (31)
Married 8 years, together 9
D-Day: Sept 10, 2013
D-Day2: May 31, 2014
Children: 5, ages 7, 5, 3, 1 and due in September
Leaning towards leaving, no one deserves this pain.
simplydevastated ( member #25001) posted at 2:24 AM on Friday, July 4th, 2014
Curious for those who have kids, do you have life insurance on them....defense keeps lowballing this as nothing ...
We had life insuranceon my son when I was working. I was laid off before my daughter was born so we couldn't afford to get one for her or to keep his going. It was through Gerber so, of memory serves, we could also use the money for college. I think that's the plan we had.
I'm sorry I read this thread, but I wanted to comment on the insurance plan.
The last time I read a story about a child dying I hugged my two so tight they actually said "Mama, you're squeezing us."
I just can't bring myself to read any more.
Me - BS, 40 (I'm not old...I'm vintage)
Two Wonderful children - DS11, DD8
Getting my ducks in a row for divorce... finally (4+ D-Days too many - listed in profile.)
debbysbaby ( member #32962) posted at 2:49 AM on Friday, July 4th, 2014
I have a small $5000 policy on each of my children. It only adds something like five dollars a quarter to my own premium to have that on all kids together. It's just term life as whole life is a waste for anyone in my opinion. I'd hate to think if I went through something as horrific as losing one of my kids that I also wouldn't be able to afford to bury them.
As far as this case though, it's horrific and they're discussing the death penalty for the sick excuse of a father. I hope they do cook him.
-betrayed almost my whole almost 15 yr marriage
-divorced since 2004
JanaGreen ( member #29341) posted at 2:51 AM on Friday, July 4th, 2014
Re: life insurance - our insurance agent, who is also a friend, urged us to get a policy because the money can be used for college later on. He said he has one for his son, but his wife was very pissed the first time he mentioned it. After he talked to her about it she decided it was a good idea. We got one for her but I can't even remember the value of it.
lieshurt ( member #14003) posted at 2:53 AM on Friday, July 4th, 2014
Curious for those who have kids, do you have life insurance on them
I do. I always have through my employer. It's 10,000.00...enough to cover funeral expenses if necessary.
No one changes unless they want to. Not if you beg them. Not if you shame them. Not if you use reason, emotion, or tough love. There is only one thing that makes someone change: their own realization that they need to.
Zolotas ( member #15271) posted at 3:14 AM on Friday, July 4th, 2014
I know someone - a 24 yr old guy that left his 5 month old in the mini van - took out the other 6 kids and went in his apt and took a nap for 4 hrs..the baby baked in the mini van. He was given a four-year suspended jail sentence and 10 years supervised probation.
His wife was a member of the "pill kills" group against birth control - hence the 7 kids. Their apt was a filthy mess and authorities had been called to investigate prior to this tragedy at least 4 times. The cops investigating the death of this baby actually gagged inside the apt because of the filth.
There's something very wrong in our judicial system that this 24 yr old father is not in prison and the mother should also have faced charges for endangerment.
If anyone wants the link to this story...PM me. I don't want to post it here, but will share it privately.
latebloomer45 ( member #18021) posted at 3:38 AM on Friday, July 4th, 2014
Off topic....about life insurance..
In general, do not insure people if you don't need their income should they die. Rarely are children providing the income. Exception being a SAHM if you would need to hire others to take her place if she died. I dropped mine by half when the younger one turned 16 and got a license, will drop the rest when she graduates college. My husband will drop his when he retires. We have prepaid funeral arrangements.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neal-frankle/4-life-insurance-policies_b_3544296.html
Me: BS 56
Him: FWS 58
Married 32 years
Son-26 Daughter (Who Came out as trans, so now Son)-23,
D-Day #1 12/11/2007
D-Day #2 5/23/2008 fucking trickle truth!
Whatever Threnody said, I concur.
Stillstings ( member #36549) posted at 5:59 AM on Friday, July 4th, 2014
Deeply disturbing information. There was a CSI episode that was a little similar to this case.
I must say though. DH and I do not plan to have children and have had terrible things said as a result. We are wasting our fertility (We've never tried to get pregnant, so how do we know it was possible?) and it's an insult to infertile women. I'm not a real woman but an over educated bitch, he doesn't love me and must be gay, we waste our money, we should be removed from society since we do not contribute, we are selfish assholes. I am too dumb to make a decision to not have kids according to 3 doctors.
All things said to each of our faces not online. When I hear about cases like this the, "you're a terrible person for not having kids" crowd goes quiet.
Apparently this guy's mistresses were more important than his own child who died a terrible death and it makes me so sad. It makes me sick and sad to know somehow this guy and his wife get some sort of moral high ground for simply having a baby yet choose this crime.
Forgetting I can see. Researching car deaths? No, doesn't fly with me. He looked up animals dying in cars.
Buying insurance on a child? Good investment. God Forbid something bad happen, the expenses are covered. The couple in the story bought a ton which is way too much as funerals do not cost $25K. Sadly, when you take out a policy on someone regardless of age, the person does not need to be notified. Getting a small amount on a child is not morbid or selfish. It's thinking ahead which is the whole point of insurance.
Love yourself. You're worth it. Face your self. You need to do it.
Dreamboat ( member #10506) posted at 6:59 AM on Friday, July 4th, 2014
The best article on what happened in court today is cnn: http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/03/justice/georgia-hot-car-toddler-death/index.html?hpt=hp_c2
The reporting by the atlanta paper is crap in comparison.
The points that stood out to me:
* taking some to day care was part of his daily routine; Most of the hot-car-baby-deaths occur because there is a change in routine
* taking child to chick fil a was also somewhat routine -- occured 2-3 times a month;
* work was less than a mile from chick fil a
* baby was in a rear facing seat even though he was 22 months; Today we found out that the parents had a front facing seat and used it for at least a few weeks before returning to the rear facing seat
* guy (won't call him "father" or "dad") was sexting at least 6 women while at work that day, including sending one a penis photo
* guy was also reading on a reddit site for something like "Living child free"; also googled "Surviving in in prison"; that occured in the weeks prior to the baby's death
* day care sent guy an email sometime during the day; the article did not say when or what the contents were
* when the girl (not "mother"...) went to pick up baby and baby was not there, she said "Guy must of left him in the car". She then called her mother to tell her and her mother asked why she was not crying or upset
* father got into hot car where baby had been dead an estimated 4 hours; When a person dies they expire everything in their bladder and bowel; Imagine the smelliest poopy diaper baking in a hot sun, and yet he drove a couple of miles to a populated strip mall before "discovering" the dead baby;
* the police put the guy and girl together in an interview room; the girl asked if the baby looked peaceful; the guy said yes and then said "I dreaded how he would look"; Note the past tense
* they talk a while and then the girl asked the guy "Did you say too much?"
* they had TWO life insurance policies on the baby -- one that was $2000 and another that was $25000; Note that Home Depot paid for the funeral as part of a well known employee charity; In my mind that is a third insurance policy
ETA: somehow hit post before I was ready...
[This message edited by Dreamboat at 1:16 AM, July 4th (Friday)]
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So shake him off
-- Shake It Out, Florence And The Machine
trying_2_recover ( member #28778) posted at 7:09 AM on Friday, July 4th, 2014
Infidelity has made me such a cynic. As soon as this started looking suspicious I thought, I bet he was having an affair and wanted out of the marriage with no child support obligation.
I'm reserving judgement on the mother since I'm confused about how they'd know she'd done a search. It may have been done under her sign in but do you know how many times someone has used my computer under my name because I forgot to sign out?
ETA: OK I went to the link provided and watched tapes of the court hearing. You all are right, mom is not acting at all as I'd expect. Damn them both!
[This message edited by trying_2_recover at 1:38 AM, July 4th (Friday)]
Divorced since 2007 from WH who has married OW.
Lark ( member #43773) posted at 7:22 AM on Friday, July 4th, 2014
Curious for those who have kids, do you have life insurance on them....defense keeps lowballing this as nothing ...
We do...it's a rider policy on my husband's work. In my family, there have been 4 babies who have died (all due to prematurity issues) and it's always haunted me the struggle of my cousins to have to stress about the financial side of paying for a funeral and headstone on top of mourning their baby. It was a nightmare. My one cousin was unable to put a headstone on her twins' grave for many years because they had to save up for it.
Our policy is very low tough, like $10k on each. Just enough to cover the funeral expenses and maybe one month off work to handle everything.
This story, though, breaks my heart. I read the Fatal Distraction piece and it has been one of those complete fears of mine that this would happen to my children. It makes me completely sick to think someone could have read about it, know the suffering involved in it, and done that to his son :(
“It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.” - Dumbledore
Ostrich80 ( member #34827) posted at 7:50 AM on Friday, July 4th, 2014
Curious for those who have kids, do you have life insurance on them....defense keeps lowballing this as nothing ...
No..I can't go there but I know some do for burial insurance..I.just don't want to. I guess being prepared makes me, in my weird over thinking mind, feel like it may be used one day.
BS..me
WS..him
Been with him over half my life
4kid
DD1 10-01-09 DD2 02-12-12 discovered it never ended
OW..nothing special. Just your average skank
Status..#$%@????
silverhopes ( member #32753) posted at 8:31 AM on Friday, July 4th, 2014
WHY GOD??? WHY DID YOU GIVE THESE HEARTLESS PEOPLE KIDS AND NOT PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO WOULD HAVE TREASURED THE GIFT?????
I'm sorry, Guinness.
This is what I meant. There are so many people in the world who would have loved and cherished that beautiful little boy.
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam.
Lowlow ( member #38653) posted at 8:47 AM on Friday, July 4th, 2014
Guinness23. I'm with you. As someone who is infertile, I wonder about why things like this happen. I'm not saying I would be wonder mother, but I just cry when I think to myself why worthless shitheads like that get to even kids.
As this is an affair forum, it's hard for me to separate my WS's infidelity with my infertility. And then we hear about pieces of shit who fucking murder their innocent children. Life is not fair.
Me (BS) 41 Him (FWS) 42 at time of confession
Reconciling
LeftOutintheCold ( member #42856) posted at 10:19 AM on Friday, July 4th, 2014
This happened in a county next to me here in GA. I couldn't believe the events as they unfolded. Something didn't seem right from the beginning of the news reports and I'm still just flabbergasted as the information keeps coming. What can make anyone be so heartless? May that baby be forever wrapped in love now.
Me - 43
WH - 41
Dday - 3/6/14
Married 5yrs, together 11yrs
Status - Divorce from the ass is in progress!
You can see more of my story on my blog here: http://thatcraftylunchlady.com/?p=833
"Never give up hope and let time heal you"
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