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Reconciliation :
My vows

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BlackHeartBroken ( member #58669) posted at 1:17 AM on Monday, December 11th, 2017

Great post, and equally great follow up! I am inspired by your strength. I'm also happy to see only one negative response on your thread. It's a good sign!

BW
LTA 14/15mos
D-Day 4/18/17
In R mode...
M to WH (Scarletman) 17 yrs
3 boys, ages 20, 16, 14
“We’ll never survive!”
“Nonsense. You’re only saying that because no one ever has.”
― William Goldman, The Princess Bride

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 Iwantmyglasses (original poster member #57205) posted at 2:11 AM on Monday, December 11th, 2017

Searching July.

I am so sorry you are hurting so badly. I pray your walk becomes lighter.

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sisoon ( Moderator #31240) posted at 4:52 PM on Monday, December 11th, 2017

I'm posting because I think words have real impact, both on the speaker/writer and the audience, and I think our healing is enhanced by thinking and speaking/writing grounded in reality.

Cephastion, Are you in particular pain now? If not, I take issue with one of your statements. If so, I urge you to write seeking support.

But I guess it does kinda give the BS a kind of moral high ground affirmation to see one's spouse as sick and needing our help...

Illnesses strike all of us. There's no moral superiority in not being sick. Alas, some illnesses have greater consequences than others.

rather than us being simply duty-bound to a selfish,

Aren't we all selfish?

compulsively lying, promiscuous heartbreaker instead.

Most of our WSes lied. Many of us were shocked on d-day, because our WSes had a history of truthfulness and fidelity. Not all WSes are compulsive liars.

Most of our WSes had one adulterous sex partner. That doesn't meet the standard for promiscuity.

If I found out my W had had multiple As and was a compulsive liar, I don't see myself choosing R.

fBH (me) - on d-day: 66, Married 43, together 45, same sex apDDay - 12/22/2010Recover'd and R'edYou don't have to like your boundaries. You just have to set and enforce them.

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Cephastion ( member #51990) posted at 2:45 AM on Tuesday, December 12th, 2017

Sisoon, after reading your response to my post, I guess I should clarify some stuff. First of all, I am in pain to varying degrees at different times and for many different reasons, but when I posted I wasn't meaning to vent or even be negative, it just maybe seemed more that way because of the way I worded some things.

To rephrase what I was saying, there are different things that hit people's radar at times as being particularly relevant or applicable when they hear or see a thing in a certain, different light than they have before. Like when a common saying or verse is merely reworded or rephrased and it hits someone like they've never heard it before.

By way of example, I used to read the verse, "If you love Me, you'll keep my commandments." as if the speaker (Christ) is trying to lay a guilt trip or motivational affirmation based performance thing on His followers there. Then I heard it rephrased one day like this: "the ones who [truly] love Him are clearly known and identifiable by the fact that they actually keep His commandments." The meaning for me shifted to being one of simply saying that His legitmate children are "chips off of the old block" or "like Father, like son." etc.,

So for ME, the death stipulation was the line I couldn't mentally get away from in my vows where being free to divorce or abandon my WW to go love another woman in her stead was concerned.

But for others it seems that thinking of their spouse as "sick" with issues/waywardness catalyzes the compassion and resolution to reconcile and stay for the BS.

My point about the positive vs. negative motivators inherent in that "sickness or in health" vowing business is that many of us respond better to "positive" incentives as opposed to "negative" ones. If I "ordered" my wife to kiss me...she'd have a VERY hard time actually doing it and getting any real pleasure out of the gesture under such duress and pressure to "perform". But if I smiled and told her that if she kisses me, she'll get a nice surprise date out of me, then her incentive is VERY different and that positive incentive elicits a much more passionate and willing response.

Consequently, I see the "death clause" as a somewhat negative reinforcer of my duty to stay bound to her no matter what. In sharp contrast, there is a comparatively positive reinforcement in telling a person (BS) who's been victimized and disempowered by their spouse's adultery that they (BS) are somewhat in charge and responsible for the care and healing of their "sick/ill" wayward spouse that they must help and love because they are in fact very NEEDED by their WS in this crisis and time of need.

The one scenario = STUCK, so make the most of a bad situation. The second one = playing doctor and/or nurse.

BH-me / WW-(Pyrite)
Left Thanksgiving 2019 w/ unresolved childhood trauma and other general selfishness issues that she refuses to honestly address, resolve,& heal from.--"For where your wealth/treasure is, there will your heart be also."--Yeshua

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