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Married 35+ years, together 41+ years
Two awesome adult sons.
Dday 6/16 4-year LTA Survived. M Restored.
"It is better to conquer our grief than to deceive it." — Seneca

Thoughts on the R so far, about 7.5 years later...

I kept to my staying offline break most of the last six months. I am a sucker for Hot Stove baseball rumors as the weather gets colder, and it is always nice to stop by a forum that helped me a great deal.

I have to say being off the grid is good for the soul, across the board and I think it helped me focus on what's going well and what needs work -- both in my life and rebuilding the M.

For the newer members here, I wish I had some great suggestions for shortcuts or ways to heal up fast, but it takes a while. The 2-5 years SI members told me to expect made me fall out of my chair. I didn't think I could be patient enough to heal up properly. While I was hopeful, I really had no idea how miserable those first 24 months were going to be. Year three, I think the effort of both me and my wife started to offer some light, and a chance to make something substantially stronger than what we had before.

I'll stick with the advice I got and still offer when asked -- the only reason to ever attempt R is because BOTH people want something better.

I understand people stay for the kids, or money or other reasons, I just think for R to be a an actual rebuild/reconciliation is when you really, really want it and your spouse does too.

If you hang out in the forums long enough, you'll get the voices you need, regardless of the path you take. As I tend to say every update, I'll never care whether people D or R -- as long as everyone finds a way to the other side of the trauma.

Ultimately, my return online will be fairly brief.

My wife and I will be taking the next two years traveling and just being together -- empty nest, no jobs, just the open sky and a carefully planned budget. I did say open sky, but not sky's the limit! After that, we'll figure it out from there, whether we want to stay rested, go back to work or travel some more. Lots of baseball too. I like a lot of sports, but hardball is a favoriting, so spring training will be one of the early parts of the road trip.

Basically, this is how well the rebuild is going, we want to hang out with each other more often.

This doesn't mean I am pain free, trauma changes us all and can haunt me when I least expect it. I'm just able to focus on the good we're doing today a little faster than I used to.

I'll always hate the A, but I am impressed with how strong both of us needed to be to get to this point.

Two things I learned in life remain true, with or without infidelity -- there is no way to be a healthy partner if you don't love yourself first. Once you are healthy enough to love another, give instead of take.

Best to you and yours, I hope everyone here heals up during the holiday season (which is often easier said, then done).

17 comments posted: Friday, December 1st, 2023

The annual review: 7 years of R

I think I am a few days early with my annual reflection of where my life is seven years after discovery. The exact dday is a bit of blur now anyway, because so much has happened since then.

I’m a vastly different person now, as with any trauma, our experiences inform us and change us. I’m much stronger than I was before all of this, with a dash of new wisdom.

In my late 50’s, I can safely say infidelity is the most painful experience I have dealt with so far, and my life includes losses of loved ones, and my childhood trauma of a step-father who beat me like a drum for 3-years.

But we all know about the pain, the crippling sadness and the battles with depression after being blindsided by the person we loved.

The hope is that we all find a way back to some level of peace, regardless of the path we take to that peace. As always, I will never care which path any of us takes, be it D, or R or even those souls who stayed for kids or financial security only — as long as we recover from the trauma and find some peace.

I find that my observations are evolving as well.

I used to frame my choice to R around a ‘new deal’ or a ‘new M’ — but another member’s post in the positive R story section has permanently altered my perspective. While both my wife and I have changed a bunch, the truth is, this isn’t a new marriage or a new relationship. It’s a continuation of what we started nearly 36-years ago.

The relationship is dented, scarred and scorched in spots, but it’s all of ours. All of our bad choices, all of our poor decisions and every lesson we learned in the hardest way possible.

Infidelity is definitely damage we did NOT sign up for, and I sure as Hell didn’t vote for it.

My wife didn’t go from princess to horrible monster and back to princess again. There is no magic here. There are no rainbows or broken spells. She’s a flawed person, like me, and everyone else on the planet.

Human beings fail every single day. Sometimes the fail is epic.

Humans who don’t cope well with adversity often retreat from reality with alcohol, drugs, food, gambling, and yes, no one’s favorite, they escape into the arms of another person.

There is NO logic to it, and there is no legitimate reason to ever lie and cheat. Ever.

For me, it’s what humans do AFTER they fail that matters.

We can learn from it and change for the better or stay down in the muck.

I can focus on my wife’s worst days or her best days OR, I can see her as a complete soul, a good person, capable of bad things — who failed herself, her family and me — and then aimed for much better on the other side of it.

I will always, ALWAYS hate the A. I only have to accept the fact that it happened, that it’s part of my existence, but I don’t have to be OKAY with it. I’ll never wake up and be happy my wife chose poorly on her lowest days.

However, I can choose how I respond to this and every adversity in my life.

My wife’s lowest point doesn’t define me or reflect on me.

And to keep this old marriage rolling, I do not allow my wife’s lowest point to define her either. At some point, we do have to let the past BE the past.

Again, as anyone who has ever attempted R KNOWS, ain’t none of it easy.

We worked our asses off and we forged this M into something we both want. We love that we didn’t give up on each other. We love that we found a far better way to talk to each other, that we don’t hide our feelings, good or ill, and that we love each other, flaws and all.

The dents are still there. The damage doesn’t disappear.

We just aim for better every day. We give more to the other every day.

After seven years of finding a way back to vulnerable and taking one last leap of faith, I think we may yet get the hang of this marriage thing.

37 comments posted: Tuesday, May 23rd, 2023

Six years into R

When can six years feel like a lifetime?

We all know that answer.

For me, my reality was obliterated when my wife finally told me about her infidelity years before. I’ve been asked a few times if my life would be better if she kept to her plan of taking her secret with her to the grave. My response is absolutely not.

I may hate that infidelity happened, but I much prefer knowing what my reality was and is, I always prefer as much truth as I can find.

The truth is, it still helps to stop by SI now and again to see if my experience and recovery helps anyone else on their path. It also helps once a year to take stock and figure out where I am now, compared to the mess I was when I first found this forum.

I tend to start off with the reminder that I’m not selling a result.

If you’re new here or a long time member, I don’t care whether you R, D, or move into a cave somewhere — I only care that we all recover from this trauma as well as possible.

My story is on my profile, and repeating details at this point, for me, is a waste of space. A long term A is as horrible as it gets, and getting a confession long after the fact doesn’t make it any easier.

All that said, some of the life changes and lessons are good.

Blind trust was never a good thing. Keeping secrets, also, not so good.

The silver linings are, that once I got my bearings, got on my feet, realized my full value — it allowed me to choose to reset my life how I wanted. I do that every single day I wake up, I choose my life, my path going forward.

I’m surprised as anyone at my choice to stay. The way I grew up, someone cheats, move the fuck on and be done with it.

If you’re cheated on, ever, however it happens, your spouse is NOT owed a last chance.

Read that line above again.

There is nothing romantic about deciding to stay. It’s brutally uphill hard work that takes the full 2-5 years SI members warned me about in advance.

Rebuilding a relationship is absolutely possible, but it takes two people with a relentless effort to get there.

It’s fairly obvious why R is so hard.

One person has been treated as if they didn’t exist and the other made dozens of purposeful, cruel and selfish decisions that destroyed the existing monogamous relationship.

In the first two years post discovery, I learned loving someone was never enough.

If I was going to stay, I needed a relationship worth staying for.

The old foundation of our marriage failed, so if I was going to rebuild from the ground up, I set the parameters of what any relationship I am in now should look like.

Those parameters started with no more filters - I say what’s on my mind. Good, bad or indifferent. I ask the questions I need to ask and no more of the games people play around the other — the saying what people want to hear, or bad trades, horrible compromises, the lies, big and small to go along and get along.

I get to be me.

It sounds obvious, but not always the case as I went through life.

That should have been the case all along. However, the way society talks about giving up parts of yourself in order to make things work in marriage — is wrong. Marriage shouldn’t be a series of sacrifices and asking permission to feel and say and do what we want.

Marriage is never the CAUSE of infidelity. Never.

Infidelity is a choice, a series of choices — that never help a relationship.

All relationships struggle, it’s how we decide to attack that struggle that makes the difference. Why doesn’t everyone cheat when unhappy? Because some of us don’t want to HURT our spouse, or we’re simply honoring the promises we made.

All that said, our marriage was a series of bad compromises, bad trades, sacrifices and walking on egg shells to get through a day. Loving each other wasn’t enough. None of that is an excuse for what my wife did. Our past simply illuminated some of the other changes we needed to make, once I chose to stay.

Once I offered the gift of R, the aim was to form a relationship worthy of both of us.

Some folks seem to define R as staying with their spouse, and that’s it. The work seems to be to tolerate the person who hurt us and hope they don’t make the same choices again.

That’s staying married, it ain’t reconciliation to me.

I understand that finding a way back to a level of trust and vulnerability is very difficult. Based on my reading hundreds of stories here, it seems very few R end up where I am.

I’m happy. My wife is happy.

It took 2.5 to 3 years just to be sure the relationship we wanted was even possible. So many conversations about the work. I had to get my swagger back and then take a second leap of faith I never thought I would make. My wife, is a little behind on getting her full swagger back (as in working on trying to forgive herself for her poor choices), but she definitely is all in on the leap of faith.

We have good days, bad days, great days and sad days, but we’re truly kind to the other. We are giving to the other, we here for the other and finding ways to build on the new connection every single day.

I would also add that I used to be of the mindset that the old M was dead, and this was a new deal, new M. Part of that is still true for me, we are working on the newer us, but I also find our days pre-A had some moments worth holding to as well that form a bit of a bridge from the old M to where we are now. Nothing is all bad or all good, and most humans are not all good or ALL bad, we’re a sum of both.

How do I know it will never happen again?

I absolutely don’t know.

What I do know is my wife, and the current connection we work on everyday, allows us to be more honest than ever before. My wife hates the pain she caused, the pain she can still see on my face from time to time. It helps that she cares about that pain and helps me heal the relationship.

I also 100 percent trust myself.

I know what the lies sound like, what the actions look like, and I learn pretty quick.

The biggest part is we spent nearly two years together everyday when the world was in varied degrees of shutdown. We learned a lot about who we were, who we are and how we want this relationship to be now.

Ultimately, I can’t change a damn thing about the past.

I only get to choose how I respond to adversity.

This particular adversity knocked me on my ass. It took a long time to gain the strength to properly respond to it, beyond the trauma and the pain and depression that comes with it.

All I can say about my experiences, is I feel great about the path I chose.

To get there, I had to feel great about myself, whether I stayed married or not. That was the work I had to do. To know that my wife’s lowest point and her shitty choices don’t reflect on me in any way. Easier said than understood, infidelity is as personal as it gets, and yet, it is NOT because of who we are or what we did.

Choose YOU first. Figure out what you want, and aim for it.

If you do choose R, it only works if your spouse wants it as much as you do.

30 comments posted: Sunday, June 5th, 2022

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