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thirdtimeacharm ( New Member #20210) posted at 5:38 PM on Friday, July 18th, 2008

((((Reallylost))))

Breathe, remember to breathe I am sorry this is happening to you again.

BS- Me 42
H- 41
M- 1 yr
Together 2.5 yrs
DDay - Jan 12, 2008
Him - 2 kids son 18, daughter 24 live with us

EA - Entire relationship/marriage til Jan 08

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capri ( Member #14940) posted at 3:24 AM on Saturday, July 19th, 2008

reallylost, I am so sorry. Please take care of yourself.

2yrs, you ask a hard question. I have always felt that secrecy is a key component in whether a relationship is an affair of some sort. But you describe a situation where a man is being clearly inappropriate with other women, clearly taking time and attention and sexual interest from his wife and giving it to other women. I have no idea what I'd call it. Maybe I would call it an ea. But regardless of what you call it, it is horrendously wrong and disrespectful.

Me: free of the secrets and lies!!!
Divorced 10/2011

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kaylie ( New Member #13180) posted at 4:26 PM on Saturday, July 19th, 2008

My FWH's EA started as drinks and conversation one day - dinner, slow dancing and sex the second. She left his bed (he was on a business trip), went home, he called her, she returned the call, they met again the third day (non physical) and the rest is history - an intense EA with a sexual component that couldn't always be expressed because of the distance. He told me about the affair as soon as he returned home and even though I was shocked and hurt, I thought how wonderful that he had such a special friend because he said how he could finally express his spiritual side - which he couldn't with me as I am agnostic. He also told her things about our family that I consider extremely personal and I told myself that if he couldn't talk to me about those things that she must be special and that they must be soulmates - a thought process that my husband actively encouraged. The EA bloomed during the time that I thought I needed to be supportive of his need for her friendship/love of his life - I thought I was showing love for him by allowing his friendship to continue when all I was doing was killing my own self esteem. How could I compete with someone who instinctively knew how to relate to my husband - who was intelligent, funny, sexual? How could I possibly compete with a higher spiritual destiny?

Well - a little further down the time line and I said it had to stop - and by that time, my husband was in it up to his.... whatever. He was so emotionally attached, and I was such a basket case, that when he first went NC, I couldn't make myself emotionally responsive and I saw the pain he went through keeping up the NC. I thought that must mean that he loved her so much, so when she went through a rough patch (broken NC) where he was her KISA, I was right there rooting for them - what an idiot I was.

So there I was, in the mind set that he was going to live out the love of his life with her (I saw the emails), and he decides that it's me he wants and he goes strict NC with the letter and everything. Do I respond? No - I say I'm committed but am I really? No sex, no real change in how we relate.

So - then he messages on AFF and I find out - furious but I still stay with him and he finally stops all the shit.

And now I'm still shut down and find it impossible to be anything but friends, parents and roomates. He's getting frustrated about everything but I still can't cut him loose and he says he doesn't want to go anyways. And I can't cut myself loose because I would miss daily contact with him. I'm a mess!! EAs are hell!!

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2yrsinthedark ( Member #16278) posted at 12:54 AM on Sunday, July 20th, 2008

Reallylost, Im so sorry. On my dday I read their IM that he forgot to delete, in there he told her how much he loved her and longed to be w/ her. It was the worst day of my life, I was devasted. Please hang in there, our hearts and prayers r w/ you. I know how much you must be hurting right now. Have you confronted him, if so what did he say?

I also want to thank everyone for your responses. I guess I always knew these relationships were out of line, but w/ his gaslighting, I guess he kept me in line. How stupid was I??

[This message edited by 2yrsinthedark at 6:56 PM, July 19th (Saturday)]

"Trust but verify"

Me-44 BS
Him-44 WS
Married 18 yrs
Dday 8/25/07
two yr EA (maybe longer, maybe w/ more than one)
4 Kids 15,13,8,8

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reallylost ( Member #18185) posted at 1:11 PM on Sunday, July 20th, 2008

I confronted him immediately..I couldn't not ...he left and I am so lost...are you reconciling? Tell me it is possible and something you can live with..this is so painful..he was telling them both he loved them and one was the most beautiful woman he has ever known in all ways...I called them at work and told one of them that I knew and had copies of chats and emails and if I didn't change my mind I would get them to their husbands..and told her about the other one..told her to tell her I knew and that I knew they had kissed..god I hate them..the one he kissed has been married 3 weeks and only 24! he is 38..I don't think I am going to make it through this ..tell me if you felt this way and what your outcome was..good or bad

Me: 47
WS: 38
D-Day:12-26-07
Married: 11 years
divorce final: 11/19/08
3 children: d25, d21(autistic),d8(ours together)
divorce final: 11/19/08

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wasfooled2 ( Member #13783) posted at 1:34 PM on Sunday, July 20th, 2008

I need to spend more time in here. I can't seem to remember to post!! My H had a very serious emotional relationship with a stranger he met online. It lasted almost two years from what I can gather. It was extremely devastating to know that my husband, best friend, and the man I had been with since I was 15 years old fell in love with someone else and carried on a double life for so long.

If any of you new folks ever need a shoulder to cry on or a place to vent, please know that you can PM me any time. I am here for you!!

[This message edited by wasfooled2 at 7:35 AM, July 20th (Sunday)]

(Me) BS-39
(Him) WS-41 (serial cheater)
D-Day #7 2/24/07 (lost count)
Married 15 years; together for 23
Reconciled, or so I thought. Separated & divorcing.

Better off I sparkle on my own ~ Anna Nalick

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2yrsinthedark ( Member #16278) posted at 2:28 PM on Sunday, July 20th, 2008

We are in R now. w/out MC, so we have many issues still between us. It has been a very hard year. DDay anniversary is next month, most of the time Im ok, but their are still some days when I feel like the very first day.

Just yesterday we had a converstation about it. Everytime we agrue, he has a tendency to make me feel like the bad guy and make me feel guilty and I always end up begging him to talk to me or apologizing, even when its his fault. I finally figured this out and I really try not to let him get to me. Well yesterday he tried it on me again. I finally told him to knock it off. I dont even know if he realized he did it. Anyway the reason i bring it up is because thats exactly how was able to keep his EAs going the whole time. By gaslighting me and making me feel like a jealous biotch every time I questioned him about his girlfriends. I would end up feeling so bad for not letting him have is "friends." and not "trusting" him. I had never told him that even now when he argues and he treats me like that, no matter what the agruement is about, it reminds me about how he treated me during the whole affair. I think I made him see it yesterday and I hope he changes his ways and takes responsibility for his own actions. So I think we will be ok, process is very slow and will take time. I figure he had a 2yr affair, so it might take that long or longer.

"Trust but verify"

Me-44 BS
Him-44 WS
Married 18 yrs
Dday 8/25/07
two yr EA (maybe longer, maybe w/ more than one)
4 Kids 15,13,8,8

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Autumn46 ( Member #17479) posted at 4:53 PM on Sunday, July 20th, 2008

Cari wrote:

And the kicker is, the more he withholds the the truth, I keep looking for it, and bit by bit what I'm finding out is that he threw it away for women who didn't even think that much of him even at the height of their 'friendships.' Poor fool.

Same here. Similar story, same reactions, same indifference.

Deja vu.

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Demanda ( New Member #19615) posted at 9:15 PM on Monday, July 21st, 2008

I just found this and I am so glad! Our whole relationship he has had female friends, that I don't meet and he doesn't talk about to me. I have only found out accidentally. One of these accidents led me to discover a real attempt at a "real affair". I moved back in after only two weeks of separation. I have spot-checked his email, which always makes me feel guilty. I found one telling someone to come over 15 minutes after I had to be at work. It referenced that he had got the message. Problem is I have no idea who this person is. We are in couples counseling, but I am starting to feel like his small betrayals aren't being seen as the issue, my mistrust and loss of temper has become the focus. Sometimes I just want to give up and leave, but everything else between us is so good. It really sucks to feel this constant worry. I wonder if maybe it is me.

“Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms—to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.”
― Viktor E. Frankl

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2yrsinthedark ( Member #16278) posted at 1:29 AM on Wednesday, July 23rd, 2008

Demanda, not you, definitly him. I was gaslighted for so long and he made me feel like the bad guy. What happens, he ends up falling for one of is female "friends" and also had online sex w/ one he hardly knew. You follow your gut.

[This message edited by 2yrsinthedark at 7:30 PM, July 22nd (Tuesday)]

"Trust but verify"

Me-44 BS
Him-44 WS
Married 18 yrs
Dday 8/25/07
two yr EA (maybe longer, maybe w/ more than one)
4 Kids 15,13,8,8

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comingupforair ( Member #13488) posted at 3:19 PM on Thursday, July 24th, 2008

I am a part of this "club" my FWH had a 5 1/2 year EA with his ex-girlfriend. It was strictly an EA. It almost killed me.

C

"Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are."
Kurt Cobain

"I always had a repulsive need to be something more than human."
David Bowie


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Screaminginside ( Member #18381) posted at 4:02 PM on Thursday, July 24th, 2008

Anyone read that post in recon about "getting him to put down his baggage" and wish that there was something similar for our situation, the EA?

BS - Me 44
WH - Him 37 WSinKS
Living together 12 years, Married 8
DDay Feb. 19, 2008

‘Nothing we can do can change the past, but everything we do changes the future.’

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2yrsinthedark ( Member #16278) posted at 2:30 AM on Friday, July 25th, 2008

Hi guys, I need HELP. OW called me today and told me that WH was trying to get a hold of her. She decided to do the right thing and not talk to him and let me know. I am so devastated right now. He told me that he misses her and wanted to start talking to her again. He doesnt know if he is still in love w/ her. But does know he loves me and wants to stay w/ me. Could have fooled me. Anyway, I had him write an NC letter, and we made an MC appt for tomorrow. He did it himself. And no, we hadnt been going. He has been apologizing since I confronted him, I told him that if he were really sorry, he wouldnt keep doing this to me. I am so heartbroken. How can we begin to R, if he still has feelings for her?? Please wish us luck, I dont know what to do right now.

[This message edited by 2yrsinthedark at 8:38 PM, July 24th (Thursday)]

"Trust but verify"

Me-44 BS
Him-44 WS
Married 18 yrs
Dday 8/25/07
two yr EA (maybe longer, maybe w/ more than one)
4 Kids 15,13,8,8

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tormentedsoul ( Member #16989) posted at 3:22 AM on Friday, July 25th, 2008

2yrsinthedark

at least the OW is doing the right thing and letting you know, sounds to me like she's not interested in him, which is good for you... bad for him.

hopefully, soon, he'll realize that she's a fantasy and not reality.

Let's hope for your sake, he figures it out before you leave him

hang tough, you'll make it

EA's - they really suck!

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capri ( Member #14940) posted at 4:49 AM on Sunday, July 27th, 2008

Anyone read that post in recon about "getting him to put down his baggage" and wish that there was something similar for our situation, the EA?

You could try describing, as she did: Imagine that we've just made love, you're feeling close and loving, and I go downstairs... straight to the computer to send an e-mail to a man you've never even heard of. While you're drifting off to sleep, secure in my love for you, I'm downstairs, telling this man you've never heard of, what a neanderthal you are, how I worked hard all day, and you came home, ate dinner, let me wash the dishes by myself, and then pushed for sex until I gave in, even though I was dead tired.

Imagine that you kiss me good bye in the morning and head off to work, where you tell your co-workers you're a lucky guy. While you're doing that, I'm reading my reply from, let's call him Dave, telling me to stand up for myself and see you for the selfish bastard you are. And while you're agreeing to do some overtime, because you know I'd love a newer and nicer washing machine, I'm on the phone with Dave, telling him your breath stinks and that you wear the most ridiculous underwear.

You expect me home from work at five when I do the weekend shift. You get the kids to straighten up the house, telling them mom's had a rough day, let's be thoughtful of her, she works so hard, let's have the place looking nice.

You put dinner in the oven, thinking how pleased I'll be to come home to a hot meal. You've even bought my favorite brand of tea and ice cream with cherries for desert.

I don't come home... you're annoyed. You've been with the kids all day, and you'd love some adult company. The dinner is overcooking... the kids are asking questions about my whereabouts that you can't answer... now the dinner is getting cold.

You feed the kids, trying hard not to snap or say something mean about their mother when they ask for the fifteenth time, where is Mommy? Your annoyance turns to anger, and as the minutes and quarter hours turn to many hours, your anger turns to fear. You get the kids to bed. You try not to pace. You start wondering if I'm dead on the highway somewhere. You wonder if it's too early to call hospitals or police-- it's been many, many hours by now. It's 9 o'clock at night, and you're beside yourself with worry. You start cleaning up the kitchen and the living room, because the police are surely going to turn up at the door any minute to tell you what happened.

When I come home, I tell you I stopped for milk and filled the gas tank... for you. I tell you I was so exhausted after work that I took a nap on the way home. It could be. And now, on top of your hours of worry and fear, I've just let you know you don't even have a right to feel concern or fear. You're being ridiculous. I was doing it all for you, working so hard, and you're mad at me???

Eventually, of course, the truth comes out. While you were concerned about my safety, I was having drinks with Dave, telling him what a bastard you are.

How would your spouses react to that?

Me: free of the secrets and lies!!!
Divorced 10/2011

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Screaminginside ( Member #18381) posted at 11:00 PM on Monday, July 28th, 2008

That was great Capri!!

BS - Me 44
WH - Him 37 WSinKS
Living together 12 years, Married 8
DDay Feb. 19, 2008

‘Nothing we can do can change the past, but everything we do changes the future.’

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thirdtimeacharm ( New Member #20210) posted at 3:29 PM on Tuesday, July 29th, 2008

Emotional Affairs sometimes I wonder if I am second choice and he married me because she was already married....he could have his workwife and me at home doing everything else....well he did have it that way for 9 months...I also wonder if he is depressed because he doesn't have everything anymore....he asked for a divorce yesterday and today he said he can't imagine life without me....sorry thing is I am imagining life without him...

BS- Me 42
H- 41
M- 1 yr
Together 2.5 yrs
DDay - Jan 12, 2008
Him - 2 kids son 18, daughter 24 live with us

EA - Entire relationship/marriage til Jan 08

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nyi103 ( New Member #20484) posted at 5:30 PM on Monday, August 4th, 2008

[This message edited by nyi103 at 11:36 PM, September 27th (Saturday)]

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sportsfan ( Member #9918) posted at 1:26 AM on Tuesday, August 5th, 2008

nyi,

i suppose i'm old fashioned which is why i can't seem to understand; 1- why your W could be that way with another man / any man and 2 - how you could accept her being so sexually open with anyone other then yourself.

i hope you can find reason and understanding with this...but i don't hink i could.

really though, best of luck!

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2yrsinthedark ( Member #16278) posted at 3:33 AM on Saturday, August 9th, 2008

recently found out that my WH tried to contact OW again. As you might guess I was devasted, I thought our R was going well. Well, he made an MC appoint. for us. (we started going after dday, but stopped after a few sessions.) Anyway, Im a bit frustrated w/ it. I guess the main thing about MC is trying to understand why it all happened. What went wrong w/ our relationship. (no excuse for the affair of course.)I can understand all of that but I'm wondering if its going backwards. The counselor wants to talk about our relationship, and I want to talk about my feelings right now and how to deal w/ them. I think we can get to the other stuff later. Right now, I think Im going nuts w/ the rollercoaster rides. And although it is WH's fault, I dont want to keep punishing him everytime I trigger. He doesnt know what to do either. He will listen, but he knows if he tries apologizing I wont believe him, if he hugs me or tells me he loves me, i wont think he is sincere. But, if he doesnt do these things I get upset because he is not trying to make me feel secure. Nothing he does is right, and I dont know what to do or how to handle it. I hope this makes sense. I need MC to help me cope right now, and then worry about what went wrong later. Am I right about this?? How do you guys feel?

"Trust but verify"

Me-44 BS
Him-44 WS
Married 18 yrs
Dday 8/25/07
two yr EA (maybe longer, maybe w/ more than one)
4 Kids 15,13,8,8

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